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(Fox Business)   Airlines are thrilled as business rapidly returns to normal, figures it the best time to ask their employees to work for free   (foxbusiness.com) divider line
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897 clicks; posted to Business » on 09 Jun 2021 at 9:35 PM (11 days ago)   |   Favorite    |   share:  Share on Twitter share via Email Share on Facebook



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2021-06-09 8:08:03 PM  
LOL, pay me for my time or go fark yourself.  If you can't afford to pay me then perhaps its YOU that should volunteer to not get paid so you can afford my labour, Delta management.
 
2021-06-09 9:39:07 PM  
Is this an ugly new greedy trend?  Wasn't there just another article about a different airline doing something similar at a different airport?
 
2021-06-09 9:47:00 PM  

Kris_Romm: Is this an ugly new greedy trend?  Wasn't there just another article about a different airline doing something similar at a different airport?


Delta did this in ATL as well I think
 
2021-06-09 9:47:15 PM  
Salaried-level/exempt employees?  Because if not, FLSA says it's not legal even if you want to.
 
2021-06-09 10:54:31 PM  
No is a fine answer. Or fark off.
 
2021-06-09 11:16:30 PM  
Isn't that highly illegal?
 
2021-06-09 11:33:29 PM  

Russ1642: Isn't that highly illegal?


Volunteering? No
Being coerced to "volunteering" by threatening punishmenat? Yes

Unpaid internships are also legal. What you didn't think slavery was completely outlawed did you?

That said, I'll never understand why anyone would "volunteer" to work for free for a forprofit business with the only potential exception is internships where sometimes (but rarely) the connections/skills you pick up do matter.

But seriously beyond illegal coercion from management suggesting they'll get their hours cut or other punishments if they don't volunteer, why the fark would anyone do this?
 
2021-06-09 11:56:14 PM  

keldaria: Volunteering? No


Volunteering?  Yes.  DoL website - "Under the FLSA, employees may not volunteer services to for-profit private sector employers."

Where it's currently ambiguous and facing lawsuits is a number of for-profit events organizers and their "volunteer for a pass" situation (Bonnaroo or SXSW, etc).  What's not ambiguous... if these are not bonafide overtime-exempt employees (managerial, and for some reason IT professionals), it's damn illegal, and if they are managers and are working overtime doing non-managerial jobs, it's really skating on a fine line.
 
2021-06-10 12:03:27 AM  
"...non-union..."

This is one example illustrating why unionization is necessary.
 
2021-06-10 12:16:29 AM  
can i fly with my car?
 
2021-06-10 12:28:07 AM  
Ahem, anybody happen to know the salaries of the C-level executives? Are they still getting their bonuses this year? I'm assuming so.
 
2021-06-10 12:40:24 AM  

TheSubjunctive: Salaried-level/exempt employees?  Because if not, FLSA says it's not legal even if you want to.


Yes, salary and exempt employees. Union rules forbid them from working under the wing.
 
2021-06-10 12:52:05 AM  
Free travel to get home, I might be okay with. No doubt a number of crew got stuck. But to return to a route, no. That's restoring a route and you can't rebuild a route with volunteers.
 
2021-06-10 12:57:31 AM  

keldaria: Russ1642: Isn't that highly illegal?

Volunteering? No
Being coerced to "volunteering" by threatening punishmenat? Yes

Unpaid internships are also legal. What you didn't think slavery was completely outlawed did you?

That said, I'll never understand why anyone would "volunteer" to work for free for a forprofit business with the only potential exception is internships where sometimes (but rarely) the connections/skills you pick up do matter.

But seriously beyond illegal coercion from management suggesting they'll get their hours cut or other punishments if they don't volunteer, why the fark would anyone do this?


Unpaid internships are pretty much illegal in Canada. They're technically allowed under certain conditions but nobody wants to tangle with those rules. Not surprised that the US hasn't been able to legally ban slavery.
 
2021-06-10 2:26:51 AM  

Russ1642: Isn't that highly illegal?


In the US? Where most states are "right to work"? Hahahahaha!
 
2021-06-10 4:28:55 AM  
These arseholes received billions in bailout money and are sticking it to their customers and employees.
It is the absolute worse form and abuse of Capitalism aside from the automotive industry.
 
2021-06-10 6:41:33 AM  

Kris_Romm: Is this an ugly new greedy trend?  Wasn't there just another article about a different airline doing something similar at a different airport?


American asked their salaried employees to "volunteer" to work 6-hour bonus shifts at the Dallas-Fort Worth airport a week or so ago as well.

You know, Delta and American, you could try and hire back all those thousands of people you laid off, rather than ask for free labor...
 
2021-06-10 9:16:45 AM  

fastfxr: These arseholes received billions in bailout money and are sticking it to their customers and employees.
It is the absolute worse form and abuse of Capitalism aside from the automotive industry.


So basically acting like an airline? They were making record profit for over a decade, year after year from fuel surplus charges and baggage fees etc. that swelled the c board's bonuses and stock worth to the highest levels they have ever been. They received billions in bailouts during the pandemic and now things are returning to normal they want more because otherwise the CEO might only get a $50 million bonus instead of $100 million and it be unfair.
 
2021-06-10 10:55:04 AM  
i don't understand the thinking at all.  you are just putting your lawyers on standby for the deluge of lawsuits when a single email gets out that even vaguely states someone who didn't volunteer for unpaid work and was later passed over for promotion, laid off or fired or someone was promoted and part of the justification is "they were the first to volunteer when we needed help in Q2 2021."  there is no way this doesn't cost them more later than just paying the over time now.
 
2021-06-10 12:42:47 PM  

Russ1642: Isn't that highly illegal?


Maybe not illegal, but we fought a Civil War over it.
 
2021-06-10 1:25:12 PM  

Russ1642: keldaria: Russ1642: Isn't that highly illegal?

Volunteering? No
Being coerced to "volunteering" by threatening punishmenat? Yes

Unpaid internships are also legal. What you didn't think slavery was completely outlawed did you?

That said, I'll never understand why anyone would "volunteer" to work for free for a forprofit business with the only potential exception is internships where sometimes (but rarely) the connections/skills you pick up do matter.

But seriously beyond illegal coercion from management suggesting they'll get their hours cut or other punishments if they don't volunteer, why the fark would anyone do this?

Unpaid internships are pretty much illegal in Canada. They're technically allowed under certain conditions but nobody wants to tangle with those rules. Not surprised that the US hasn't been able to legally ban slavery.


Have you ever read the Thirteenth Amendment? Hell, it specifically carved out a slavery exemption for prisoners.
 
2021-06-10 2:46:39 PM  

Russ1642: keldaria: Russ1642: Isn't that highly illegal?

Volunteering? No
Being coerced to "volunteering" by threatening punishmenat? Yes

Unpaid internships are also legal. What you didn't think slavery was completely outlawed did you?

That said, I'll never understand why anyone would "volunteer" to work for free for a forprofit business with the only potential exception is internships where sometimes (but rarely) the connections/skills you pick up do matter.

But seriously beyond illegal coercion from management suggesting they'll get their hours cut or other punishments if they don't volunteer, why the fark would anyone do this?

Unpaid internships are pretty much illegal in Canada. They're technically allowed under certain conditions but nobody wants to tangle with those rules. Not surprised that the US hasn't been able to legally ban slavery.


That's weird. When I hire interns, they apply for the position. I don't purchase them at auction against their will. I guess I'm doing it wrong.
 
2021-06-10 2:58:11 PM  

Resin33: Russ1642: keldaria: Russ1642: Isn't that highly illegal?

Volunteering? No
Being coerced to "volunteering" by threatening punishmenat? Yes

Unpaid internships are also legal. What you didn't think slavery was completely outlawed did you?

That said, I'll never understand why anyone would "volunteer" to work for free for a forprofit business with the only potential exception is internships where sometimes (but rarely) the connections/skills you pick up do matter.

But seriously beyond illegal coercion from management suggesting they'll get their hours cut or other punishments if they don't volunteer, why the fark would anyone do this?

Unpaid internships are pretty much illegal in Canada. They're technically allowed under certain conditions but nobody wants to tangle with those rules. Not surprised that the US hasn't been able to legally ban slavery.

That's weird. When I hire interns, they apply for the position. I don't purchase them at auction against their will. I guess I'm doing it wrong.


"hire interns". LOL.
 
2021-06-10 4:41:30 PM  
American is one of the last airlines i choose anyway.  United and Alaska can F right the hell off if there is any way i can avoid them.
 
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