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(Guardian)   Don't listen to the restaurants that say they're struggling to find enough workers - the restaurants that have raised wages and added benefits like paid sick leave are all doing well   (theguardian.com) divider line
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2021-06-09 11:30:45 AM  
And the passive aggressive signs claiming nobody wants to work just shows you are the kind of shiatty boss nobody wants to work for.
 
2021-06-09 11:56:58 AM  
It almost seems as though paying better wages and providing stronger benefits could be a competitive advantage all of a sudden.
 
2021-06-09 12:05:58 PM  

make me some tea: It almost seems as though paying better wages and providing stronger benefits could be a competitive advantage all of a sudden.


Strange days indeed.
 
2021-06-09 12:33:12 PM  
But you don't understand. How am I supposed to make profit if I don't exploit my workers?
 
2021-06-09 12:57:21 PM  
But if you take away slave labor, our economy will collapse!

/a repeat from the late 1850's.
 
2021-06-09 1:20:35 PM  

MrBallou: But if you take away slave labor, our economy will collapse!

/a repeat from the late 1850's.


To be fair, the South's economy did collapse (Sherman helped with that).
 
2021-06-09 1:24:17 PM  
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2021-06-09 1:24:27 PM  
The poors got a taste for something better than crumbs and table scraps, and now they're getting all uppity.

This exactly why the GOP opposed treating them like human beings.
 
2021-06-09 1:29:33 PM  
In order to avoid confusion, at some point we're going to have to do away with tipping.  I tip 25-30% on top of whatever sub minimum wage they get.  I'm not tipping that same amount, if anything, if they're making $15/hr.  But the problem is we won't know one way or another how a restaurant's pay scale works.
 
2021-06-09 1:31:58 PM  
We have too many restaurants in this country.  Been that way for 20 years.

The bottom end of the family sit-down style (Applebees, mom-and-pop ethnic, etc.) is messed up.  I can get one of the specials at Chilis for less than I can get drive-through at Popeye's.  They gotta pay the rent, cleaning, extra labor out of something (that something being alcohol) and no amount of DoorDash orders can make up for that.
 
2021-06-09 1:32:16 PM  
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2021-06-09 1:34:38 PM  

FrancoFile: We have too many restaurants in this country.  Been that way for 20 years.

The bottom end of the family sit-down style (Applebees, mom-and-pop ethnic, etc.) is messed up.  I can get one of the specials at Chilis for less than I can get drive-through at Popeye's.  They gotta pay the rent, cleaning, extra labor out of something (that something being alcohol) and no amount of DoorDash orders can make up for that.


Honestly, I think that's why the food truck industry has blown up in the last decade: the smaller overhead.
 
2021-06-09 1:39:20 PM  

drunk_bouncnbaloruber: FrancoFile: We have too many restaurants in this country.  Been that way for 20 years.

The bottom end of the family sit-down style (Applebees, mom-and-pop ethnic, etc.) is messed up.  I can get one of the specials at Chilis for less than I can get drive-through at Popeye's.  They gotta pay the rent, cleaning, extra labor out of something (that something being alcohol) and no amount of DoorDash orders can make up for that.

Honestly, I think that's why the food truck industry has blown up in the last decade: the smaller overhead.


Yep.

Don't need to have a bathroom for customers.  Don't need to vacuum the carpet or wipe down the tables or replace broken chairs.  Only have to print a handful of menus.
 
2021-06-09 1:41:55 PM  
It is sort of a repeat from 1348. The black death killed a lot of people, and that eventually lead to the collapse of the feudal system as they had to actually pay people to work since workers were in short supply and there was suddenly competition for labor.
 
2021-06-09 2:10:14 PM  
Chipotle's is out in the media now propagating the myth that the only way to pay employees a living wage is for them to raise prices.

"Following a pay increase announcement last month, touting an average of $15 per hour for employees by the end of June, the company now plans to raise menu prices across the board by 3.5% to 4%."

I don't mind paying a fair price, but between executive overcompensation, overpriced real estate and pumped up investor expectations, I can think of several ways to reward the employees that are actually doing the work.
 
2021-06-09 2:24:45 PM  
It's almost amazing how news media was able to find those businesses to interview, but could never find any of the people who didn't want to work for starvation wages
 
2021-06-09 2:27:26 PM  

Felix Tekat: Chipotle's is out in the media now propagating the myth that the only way to pay employees a living wage is for them to raise prices.

"Following a pay increase announcement last month, touting an average of $15 per hour for employees by the end of June, the company now plans to raise menu prices across the board by 3.5% to 4%."

I don't mind paying a fair price, but between executive overcompensation, overpriced real estate and pumped up investor expectations, I can think of several ways to reward the employees that are actually doing the work.


And it's fairly rich coming from a company with a noted history of using undocumented workers.  Always hiding behind the "independently operated franchises" excuse.
 
2021-06-09 2:32:11 PM  

FrancoFile: drunk_bouncnbaloruber: FrancoFile: We have too many restaurants in this country.  Been that way for 20 years.

The bottom end of the family sit-down style (Applebees, mom-and-pop ethnic, etc.) is messed up.  I can get one of the specials at Chilis for less than I can get drive-through at Popeye's.  They gotta pay the rent, cleaning, extra labor out of something (that something being alcohol) and no amount of DoorDash orders can make up for that.

Honestly, I think that's why the food truck industry has blown up in the last decade: the smaller overhead.

Yep.

Don't need to have a bathroom for customers.  Don't need to vacuum the carpet or wipe down the tables or replace broken chairs.  Only have to print a handful of menus.


More and more places aren't even printing many menus. QR code to load a digital copy.

And since it seems all major phone cameras these days can scan a QR code, why not?

I know they're kind of silly, or maybe that's just a hold over from back when you had to find and install a dedicated scanner app, and hope it wasn't something nefarious. Now that it's a native process, I have no problem with them.
 
2021-06-09 2:42:45 PM  

Felix Tekat: Chipotle's is out in the media now propagating the myth that the only way to pay employees a living wage is for them to raise prices.

"Following a pay increase announcement last month, touting an average of $15 per hour for employees by the end of June, the company now plans to raise menu prices across the board by 3.5% to 4%."

I don't mind paying a fair price, but between executive overcompensation, overpriced real estate and pumped up investor expectations, I can think of several ways to reward the employees that are actually doing the work.


I see that and think 4% is absolutely worth it to get those employees a decent wage. Remember when people were screaming about how hamburgers would cost $20 if we raised the minimum wage to $15/hour?
 
2021-06-09 2:57:26 PM  
There's a Subway-style sandwich shop down the road a ways currently advertising for help. The marquee sign out front rotates through "HELP WANTED / $15/HR / PAID VACATION / HEALTH INSURANCE."

I mean, if you have to work fast food, this is the place to go. Locally-owned, always busy, far superior to Subway, and hell, with a package like that, even I'd consider it, though I'm on record as saying I would happily saw off my toes with a grapefruit spoon than work behind a counter ever again.

It is starting to grudgingly trickle into the minds of the manager class that treating employees like human beings is the path to economic prosperity, not begrudging them every nickel and screaming at them that they should be happy to have the honor of working for you. The local KFC is also advertising a $15/hour counter wage. At least they were. They're fully staffed now.
 
2021-06-09 3:06:41 PM  

peasandcarrots: There's a Subway-style sandwich shop down the road a ways currently advertising for help.


American Sub Restaurant Very Clean Come In?
 
2021-06-09 3:35:02 PM  

austerity101: peasandcarrots: There's a Subway-style sandwich shop down the road a ways currently advertising for help.

American Sub Restaurant Very Clean Come In?


I never come in restaurants.
 
2021-06-09 3:48:20 PM  
The people I know who did restaurant work pre-pandemic realized real quick how insecure their employment was. Most of them didn't want to go back out of fear of getting trapped in a low wage job again just waiting for the next crash or pandemic to toss em out on their ass. I can imagine having the entire right-wing-o-sphere shiatting on them for having the nerve to ask for a living wage didn't help either.
 
2021-06-09 4:26:38 PM  

Uranus: austerity101: peasandcarrots: There's a Subway-style sandwich shop down the road a ways currently advertising for help.

American Sub Restaurant Very Clean Come In?

I never come in restaurants.


Knew this dude that once "got busy" in a Burger King bathroom.
 
2021-06-09 5:16:16 PM  

Felix Tekat: Chipotle's is out in the media now propagating the myth that the only way to pay employees a living wage is for them to raise prices.

"Following a pay increase announcement last month, touting an average of $15 per hour for employees by the end of June, the company now plans to raise menu prices across the board by 3.5% to 4%."

I don't mind paying a fair price, but between executive overcompensation, overpriced real estate and pumped up investor expectations, I can think of several ways to reward the employees that are actually doing the work.


Chipotle, you say?  The guys who spent $100 million moving their corporate HQ 3 years ago so the CEO wouldn't have to move to Colorado? Hmmm....

Also...

But, totally, giving the line guys that extra dollar is really why prices are going up.
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2021-06-09 5:20:05 PM  

Felix Tekat: Chipotle's is out in the media now propagating the myth that the only way to pay employees a living wage is for them to raise prices.

"Following a pay increase announcement last month, touting an average of $15 per hour for employees by the end of June, the company now plans to raise menu prices across the board by 3.5% to 4%."

I don't mind paying a fair price, but between executive overcompensation, overpriced real estate and pumped up investor expectations, I can think of several ways to reward the employees that are actually doing the work.


Moments after trying to add to your post I am reminded of Adam Smith, who perhaps said it better

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2021-06-09 9:58:00 PM  
They must be very close to being insolvent if they can't raise wages without raising prices. I see that their stock is down a bit today.  Executive bonuses all around!
 
2021-06-09 10:20:00 PM  

Gubbo: It's almost amazing how news media was able to find those businesses to interview, but could never find any of the people who didn't want to work for starvation wages


There was an article the other day with a whole slew of folks who were interviewed regarding their decision to not go back/seek a better deal.

/On a side note, I'm okay with there not being too many of said articles.  The folks they choose to interview are always some of the worst representations of the common folk (i.e. too many kids, don't speak well, etc - the people reading willjudge these people).
//Whether said judgement is right or wrong isn't my point - they will judge and the media tends to find some of the worst examples of common folk to bring attention to.
///Might be planned that way.
 
2021-06-09 10:20:29 PM  

LL316: In order to avoid confusion, at some point we're going to have to do away with tipping.  I tip 25-30% on top of whatever sub minimum wage they get.  I'm not tipping that same amount, if anything, if they're making $15/hr.  But the problem is we won't know one way or another how a restaurant's pay scale works.


I am not in the tipping is evil camp but someone making $15/hour should not feel the need to tip someone else making the same.
 
2021-06-09 10:53:27 PM  

Straight Outta Hate: LL316: In order to avoid confusion, at some point we're going to have to do away with tipping.  I tip 25-30% on top of whatever sub minimum wage they get.  I'm not tipping that same amount, if anything, if they're making $15/hr.  But the problem is we won't know one way or another how a restaurant's pay scale works.

I am not in the tipping is evil camp but someone making $15/hour should not feel the need to tip someone else making the same.


Well, if you're one of those people that assumes a 50% tip will make the bartender want to sleep with you, that's debatable.

/they are so fun to watch
 
2021-06-10 12:59:23 AM  

FrancoFile: We have too many restaurants in this country.  Been that way for 20 years.

The bottom end of the family sit-down style (Applebees, mom-and-pop ethnic, etc.) is messed up.  I can get one of the specials at Chilis for less than I can get drive-through at Popeye's.  They gotta pay the rent, cleaning, extra labor out of something (that something being alcohol) and no amount of DoorDash orders can make up for that.


You were this close to realizing the actual point of your comment that they can afford so much because the actual cost is so little in comparison to what they charge and why their claims that a wage increase will put them out of business is just cries hiding their greed or their sheer incompetence.
 
2021-06-10 7:51:53 AM  

FrancoFile: We have too many restaurants in this country.  Been that way for 20 years.

The bottom end of the family sit-down style (Applebees, mom-and-pop ethnic, etc.) is messed up.  I can get one of the specials at Chilis for less than I can get drive-through at Popeye's.  They gotta pay the rent, cleaning, extra labor out of something (that something being alcohol) and no amount of DoorDash orders can make up for that.


If course Chili's food is cheaper than Popeye's. It's worse. Much worse. Why pay for a microwaved TV dinner on a plate when I could have delicious chicken?
 
2021-06-10 7:56:43 AM  
thurstonxhowell:

If course Chili's food is cheaper than Popeye's. It's worse. Much worse. Why pay for a microwaved TV dinner on a plate when I could have delicious chicken?

How come Popeye's can't have spinach as a side dish?
As long as it does not come in a can there should be no trademark violations.
I do not think they have olive oil either but it is not like they need it.
 
2021-06-10 10:34:31 AM  

Myk-House of El: Uranus: austerity101: peasandcarrots: There's a Subway-style sandwich shop down the road a ways currently advertising for help.

American Sub Restaurant Very Clean Come In?

I never come in restaurants.

Knew this dude that once "got busy" in a Burger King bathroom.


By "busy" you mean "shiatting on the floor", right?
 
2021-06-10 10:47:59 AM  

El Dudereno: By "busy" you mean "shiatting on the floor", right?


You're confusing that with the story Chuck C. Johnson and his incident at an Arby's.
 
2021-06-10 1:51:47 PM  

revrendjim: MrBallou: But if you take away slave labor, our economy will collapse!

/a repeat from the late 1850's.

To be fair, the South's economy did collapse (Sherman helped with that).


And it is now almost wholly propped up by densely populated blue areas that are intentionally underrepresented in state governments.
 
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