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(MSN)   Study shows people who have already been infected with COVID-19 gain no additional benefits from vaccination   (msn.com) divider line
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2021-06-09 10:59:50 AM  
Except that other studies have already indicated that vaccination does help prevent reinfection, as
well as speeding the recovery in  "long-haul" covid patients.

And if Rand Paul thinks its good, you pretty much know there's something wrong.
 
2021-06-09 11:08:23 AM  
Kind of weird MSN, a left-wing site, puts together information from right-wing media (I assume Washington Examiner is). At least they are not one-sided like certain web sties are.
 
2021-06-09 11:09:24 AM  

wearsmanyhats: Except that other studies have already indicated that vaccination does help prevent reinfection, as
well as speeding the recovery in  "long-haul" covid patients.

And if Rand Paul thinks its good, you pretty much know there's something wrong.


Yeah, I was going to ask about long haul recovery.  That has the potential for issues for years in the future if we can't get a handle on this.
 
2021-06-09 11:17:36 AM  
This is the opposite of what the infectious disease professor said yesterday on MSNBC, so I call bullshiat.
 
2021-06-09 11:37:11 AM  

Lambskincoat: This is the opposite of what the infectious disease professor said yesterday on MSNBC, so I call bullshiat.


It's pretty much a given to call bullshiat on anything reported on MSNBC.
 
2021-06-09 11:45:27 AM  
If someone just got a positive test but no symptoms, they should probably get vaccinated. The tests were not 100% accurate.
 
2021-06-09 11:47:20 AM  

kdawg7736: Kind of weird MSN, a left-wing site, puts together information from right-wing media (I assume Washington Examiner is). At least they are not one-sided like certain web sties are.


You're right, that did come from the Washington Examiner, which is a conspiracy laden pile of fetid feces.
 
2021-06-09 11:58:17 AM  
So i guess if you got the vax yesterday it was better for you but if you only now get it it won't be.
At least until it is again of course.
 
2021-06-09 12:11:03 PM  
We need a singular source of the truth.  And for the government to quash all other statements on covid.  Either the vaccine does help the previously infected or it doesn't.  So we go ask fauchi to make a determination, make him state it is the real truth, and have the military take out anybody with opposing views.  And even if fauchi is wrong, he can't be wrong, since he (or whoever is elected) is the source of absolute covid truth.  And if he flip flops, for whatever reason, just memory hole the previous statements and anybody the military might have taken out.  Hell, memory hole all the people that oppose the truth.  Just erase them from existence.  No more records that they even existed.  And if people claim they had a brother or mother or uncle that got memory holed, memory hole them too.  Memory hole enough people and the population will get with the program.

Problem solved.
 
2021-06-09 12:14:49 PM  
yes, you cannot become doubly immune.
 
2021-06-09 12:24:12 PM  
I hope he gets it again and it causes his pubes for hair to strangle him to death.

Is there a word for someone who tries so hard to be a winner in an argument, but what he thinks makes him the winner is actually just inconsequentially bullshiat so nobody give a flying fark?
 
2021-06-09 12:49:13 PM  

I Love You You Pay My Rent: Lambskincoat: This is the opposite of what the infectious disease professor said yesterday on MSNBC, so I call bullshiat.

It's pretty much a given to call bullshiat on anything reported on MSNBC.


Does the 5G knock the medical knowledge out of his head? Will CNN 5G do the same to all of their medical experts too?
 
2021-06-09 12:51:41 PM  

kdawg7736: Kind of weird MSN, a left-wing site, puts together information from right-wing media (I assume Washington Examiner is). At least they are not one-sided like certain web sties are.


MSN is not left leaning. Don't confuse it with MSNBC. They are more akin to Yahoo News.
 
2021-06-09 1:00:07 PM  

wearsmanyhats: Except that other studies have already indicated that vaccination does help prevent reinfection, as
well as speeding the recovery in  "long-haul" covid patients.

And if Rand Paul thinks its good, you pretty much know there's something wrong.


Yeah, about the "long-haulers" thing.  Pretty much self-reported.   Like so may factoids  over the last year or so it's been reported so often that it's getting accepted as truth.
 
2021-06-09 1:10:51 PM  
An analyses of The Washington Examiner's bias.   tl;dr - it "Leans Right".

A quick glance over it, I think they might have been too lenient in that conclusion.

https://www.allsides.com/news-source/​w​ashington-examiner
 
2021-06-09 1:36:22 PM  
Yeah sure bro. I'm taking double dose of Pfizer anyway. Fark this.
 
2021-06-09 2:16:28 PM  
This is in line with what we expect from other diseases so it isn't surprising that the study had that result. Now maybe there is a slight benefit in terms of priming the immune system if the vaccine is formulated for additional strains.  After all if you were just exposed to the original strain at the start of the outbreak, maybe the South African or British variations might be able to reinfect, but it is of marginal benefit.  A vaccine isn't likely to hurt you if you had it, so getting it is fine if you want it. But it certainly appears it isn't as critical to get the vaccine if you have suffered through the illness.

Of course this is just one study.  It appears to have a large enough sample size to provide solid data. However as with all decisions, the choice is the patients.
 
2021-06-09 2:50:03 PM  
This is not an MSN piece.

This is a straight up reprint of the Examiner piece and should carry their label.

Here's a list of the "quality" stories that Mike Lee has published in the Examiner.
https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/au​t​hor/michael-lee

He's never met a MAGA cause he cannot champion.
 
2021-06-09 3:04:52 PM  
Meanwhile, quantitative studies show major differences between immune response elicited by natural infection and by vaccines. The antibody response to the vaccines is targetted at the right protein to lock the virus out (the spike) and targets all aspects of the S protein with dozens of different antibodies, and these are elicited in enormous numbers by the vaccines in a response that so far is confirmed to endure for 8+ months. The natural infection antibody response primarily targets the nucleocapsid (N) protein, and antibodies against the spike are far fewer in both variety and number and decline much faster.

We already know that existing mutants of covid can break through herd immunity caused by previous mass infection because IT HAPPENED in Brazil. There were communities in South America that had seropositivity levels of nearly 75% after the first wave, that then suffered even worse second surges when P.1 showed up.

Yet the vaccinated immune response remains highly effective against every variant out there. In fact, based on neutralizing titers, it's possible that the vaccines would have been 98-99% effective against the ancestral (non-D614G) strain they are based on.
 
2021-06-09 3:25:37 PM  
I smell a subby agenda. Heck, even the real source of the article is masked.

I can find you a study that says basically anything.  Including countless ones that say the exact opposite of this.
 
2021-06-09 3:27:47 PM  
I propose that we split the difference and recommend a single vaccine dose for the people who have survived a natural infection.

Uncontrolled_Jibe: Yeah, about the "long-haulers" thing. Pretty much self-reported. Like so may factoids over the last year or so it's been reported so often that it's getting accepted as truth.


I first heard about it from Dr. Daniel Griffin on the TWiV podcast. There's something there, more than "some guy on Facebook" anecdotes.
 
2021-06-09 7:25:54 PM  
The study only doesn't prove that it does help.

The numbers and rates are so small in the previously infected +/- vaccinated groups.
The study certainly doesn't prove that it doesn't help.

Lying by misinterpreting statistics in the headline.
 
2021-06-10 3:15:52 PM  
I some right winger has been busy today submitting more junk science articles.
 
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