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(Marketwatch)   With less than 4% of the population fully vaccinated as of yesterday, Japan's Suga wants everyone jabbed by November, his own working Mach 5, a pet Godzuki, and toro tuna for all   (marketwatch.com) divider line
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2021-06-09 3:50:53 PM  
Japan has done a great job keeping on top of the pandemic.  As long as they keep their protocols in place and don't host any massive international super-spreader events, they should be able to hold out until they can get enough vaccinations.
 
2021-06-09 4:18:25 PM  
Aww, honey honey
 
2021-06-09 4:20:21 PM  
Oh huh, I didn't realize Shinzo Abe is out.
 
2021-06-09 4:34:20 PM  

foo monkey: Japan has done a great job keeping on top of the pandemic.  As long as they keep their protocols in place and don't host any massive international super-spreader events, they should be able to hold out until they can get enough vaccinations.


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A great job?
 
2021-06-09 4:41:09 PM  

foo monkey: Japan has done a great job keeping on top of the pandemic.  As long as they keep their protocols in place and don't host any massive international super-spreader events, they should be able to hold out until they can get enough vaccinations.


Most of Japan disagrees, and on top of that, the Olympics are ON BABY!

https://mainichi.jp/english/articles/​2​0210524/p2a/00m/0na/019000c
 
2021-06-09 5:33:22 PM  
Japan has done a middling job, but their social cohesion and enthusiasm for masks has kept their infection and fatality rates much lower than the US. I've heard the real death rate may be 10x official figures... Which is still less than 1/3 of US figures per capita. So middling.

Just the social understanding that you wear masks in a pandemic puts them above the US and even many places in Europe. Places like Italy where people heard there were going to be lockdowns so were like "guess I better travel to the neighboring are where there aren't any now then!"

But yes, stuff like the domestic travel push and their exempting ethnic Japanese from certain travel restrictions were very stupid, and their vaccine program has been pretty low tier.
 
2021-06-09 5:36:06 PM  
If anyone could achieve a short vaccination schedule in a short time frame, it's Japan and China.

China would fire up vaccination vans that look like mobile gas chambers and just go door to door stabbing everyone.

Japan would ask everyone, 'pretty please' to do it, and everyone would, but they'd fark around or be too busy at work and progress would be slow. In the last month they'd fire up vaccination vans that look like anime characters and go door to door where the residents are waiting with tea for the medical team, and they later commend the Prime Minister on making the process so convenient.
 
2021-06-09 8:30:41 PM  
Japan are usually smart but they are also incredibly racists (the old generations who hold the power anyway)... FFS, the entire world proved that the vaccines were safe, more than a billion vaccinated and they STILL went for the yeah lets make our own trials while people die... great plan.
 
2021-06-09 8:59:00 PM  

lolmao500: Japan are usually smart but they are also incredibly racists (the old generations who hold the power anyway)... FFS, the entire world proved that the vaccines were safe, more than a billion vaccinated and they STILL went for the yeah lets make our own trials while people die... great plan.


I was going to ask WTF was their problem but I think you covered all the important points rather completely.
 
2021-06-09 9:23:56 PM  
I don't think racism has much to do with it. Japan has had several episodes in memory where they have trusted foreign companies and governments, and their own, and people wound up dying or being debilitated. I don't think there is a particular problem with having some caution.

And Japan is willing to take what it can get. If people want to be circumspect, they can look at the huge cost paid by the US, the UK, Germany, and others to get those vaccines develop and then fail at everything else. Japan did not develop its own vaccine. Australia came close but opted for foreign vaccines and different strategies. You know, if people want to make it a race, it is pretty clear that Japan is not the loser.

Be careful about projecting your own values and your own ideas about "how things should be" on people who probably know what they are doing.

4% have received BOTH vaccinations? OK. I haven't yet. Pretty well everyone I know who is OLDER than I am has been vaccinated. Kids are in school. People are working. Universities are open. I went to see a movie about 5 weeks ago.
 
2021-06-09 9:39:31 PM  

dyhchong: If anyone could achieve a short vaccination schedule in a short time frame, it's Japan and China.

China would fire up vaccination vans that look like mobile gas chambers and just go door to door stabbing everyone.

Japan would ask everyone, 'pretty please' to do it, and everyone would, but they'd fark around or be too busy at work and progress would be slow. In the last month they'd fire up vaccination vans that look like anime characters and go door to door where the residents are waiting with tea for the medical team, and they later commend the Prime Minister on making the process so convenient.


Here is a guy who understands Japan. Sure. I am not a huge Suga fan, but he seems to be doing what he is supposed to be doing.

It is truly difficult to try and explain to people that all the screaming, yelling, hoopla and running around is not work and not solving the problem. People are conditioned to think that protesting, having meetings, pointing fingers, etc. does something. Japan is just working the problem. People do their part and things work out, more or less. You have your housewives giving tea to workers, and the Hello Kitty bunch, and the informative cartoons. Yeah. It is all there. Keep calm and carry on? That is what it is.

If Japan had the best record in the world at dealing with COVID19, someone would have something bad to say. As it is, Japan has had good and bad days, has taken measures when needed, and been successful. They keep good records and have a system that has given free care to all who are infected. Never a lockdown. Not once. No coercion. No strife. No push and no pushback.

Vaccines are slow? Well, that is too bad, but 100,000 people aren't going to die because of it. I have stopped keeping track, frankly, but I know it has become a pretty small number.

If you are happy about what your government has done on your behalf with your tax money, good for you. If not, look around the world and find what you think is a good government with a good response. I think Japan dodged about a jillion bullets and avoided numerous mis-steps that snagged nations around the world. I am not inclined to do a lot of second-guessing now.
 
2021-06-09 9:45:34 PM  

foo monkey: Japan has done a great job keeping on top of the pandemic.


Didn't they largely ignore it, other than keeping foreigners out?

They're about to mess that part up.

Also, they're rich.  Being at 4% vaccinated is a sign of horrible management.  There's no way with the economic muscle they have that they couldn't get vaccine.  Clearly something more is going on there.
 
2021-06-09 11:56:50 PM  

Kris_Romm: foo monkey: Japan has done a great job keeping on top of the pandemic.

Didn't they largely ignore it, other than keeping foreigners out?

They're about to mess that part up.

Also, they're rich.  Being at 4% vaccinated is a sign of horrible management.  There's no way with the economic muscle they have that they couldn't get vaccine.  Clearly something more is going on there.


Japan makes Brazil (the movie) look like a red tape free zone.

I'm glad it's at 4% but not surprised  it's still so low.
 
2021-06-10 8:40:12 AM  

2fardownthread: dyhchong:
Vaccines are slow? Well, that is too bad, but 100,000 people aren't going to die because of it. I have stopped keeping track, frankly, but I know it has become a pretty small number.


How many people are expected for the Olympics? If the majority of the country (and every single person dealing with the games) isn't vaccinated, there will absolutely be a large-scale spread of the virus.

/There's no excuse for a country that rich and well-educated to not be fully vaccinated.
//Which also applies to those parasites in the US who refuse vaccines as well.
 
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