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5 days ago  
FTFA- Such an ouster is rare and is the harshest punishment available for a member of the faith...

Bless in disguise.  "You're out of the faith!  You no longer have to waste a Sunday mornings and you're free to drink alcohol and have premarital sex or gay sex or premarital gay sex."

You can excommunicate me anytime.
 
5 days ago  
Scott Gordon, president of FAIR, a volunteer organization that supports the church, acknowledged that it can be difficult for gay and transgender individuals to belong to a faith that they feel doesn't fully accept them. But, he said, Helfer was not ousted because of her profession or her views on LGBTQ issues or sexuality.

"While that may seem like it's the issue, it's really not the issue," Gordon said. "The issue is actively going out and campaigning against the church. What the content is is almost irrelevant."


Ha! It's the Galileo defense in the wild.
 
5 days ago  
Theres a very weird subset of porn that depicts mormon buggery.

That I heard about.
 
5 days ago  
What would Mormon sex therapy be like?  Probably just reminding the wife that you have to break a few eggs to make an omelet.
 
5 days ago  
If you are a member of the church, it's expected that you let check elders quiz your kids on their dating, thoughts about sex, and good help them sex before marriage.

If you are a girl who has sex before marriage then your vagina is ruined for your perspective husband.
 
5 days ago  
No amount of therapy can cure magic temple undergarments. That shiat is burnt in Romney style
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5 days ago  

TheGreatGazoo: If you are a member of the church, it's expected that you let check elders quiz your kids on their dating, thoughts about sex, and good help them sex before marriage.

If you are a girl who has sex before marriage then your vagina is ruined for your perspective husband.


So at this point she can just about bang the entire male sunday school class since shes already crossed the bridge of no return.
 
5 days ago  

Lifeless: What would Mormon sex therapy be like?  Probably just reminding the wife that you have to break a few eggs to make an omelet.


Reminding her she doesn't get to feel bad if he calls out a different wife's name.
 
5 days ago  
In my experience, Mormons are very nice people. Their insular community issues fugazi credentials.
 
5 days ago  
Aardvarks in the park after dark?
 
5 days ago  
Man I don't remember Mrs Butterworth in this way.
 
5 days ago  

Lifeless: What would Mormon sex therapy be like?  Probably just reminding the wife that you have to break a few eggs to make an omelet.


It's actually a pretty serious thing.  Mormonism really farks up people and their views on sex, and this almost always carries over into marriage.  I have lots of Mormon friends who were uncomfortable being naked around their spouses for years after they got married.  I am a dude, and I have body issues and I have uncomfortable as hell being shirtless, even though I left the cult fourteen years ago.

Most Mormon couples, even the ones that love each other very much, have a lot of issues with sexual intimacy, which is something that the ex-Mormon community has uncovered by talking to and interviewing hundreds of thousands of people who either left the church, or are struggling.  That's even before you get into the tens of thousands of Mormon couples where one partner is pretending to be straight, or the hundreds of thousands of couples where the wife thinks her husband is cheating on her, because she caught him watching a pornographic movie, and her church has spent decades telling her it is the same thing.  Then you have the problem where the church is a hunting ground for pedophiles, so you have hundreds of thousands, if not millions of members who are dealing with drama from sexual assault.

You have all these huge problems, and more, and the church's response is to tell everyone to shut up and not talk about it, because it is ran by a 96 year old man, and a bunch of leaders in their 90s and 80s who are stuck in the sexual myths of the 1950s.
 
5 days ago  
According to the, uh, training videos I've seen, Mormon dudes are crazy-hot and know how to get to business. Don't know why they'd need therapy.
 
5 days ago  
Orgasmo reference goes here
 
5 days ago  
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5 days ago  

Lifeless: What would Mormon sex therapy be like?  Probably just reminding the wife that you have to break a few eggs to make an omelet.


More like, "I know the Bishop brought regularly you into his office and required you to share all the details of you touching yourself when you were a teen in order to shame the heck out of you (and probably get his jollies), but you don't have to feel extreme guilt after you have sex with your spouse or give them the silent treatment for enticing you."
 
5 days ago  
"Mormon Sex Therapist" is the name of my Donny & Marie/Prince/Talk Talk inspired polka band.
 
5 days ago  

The Pope of Manwich Village: "Mormon Sex Therapist" is the name of my Donny & Marie/Prince/Talk Talk inspired polka band.


wait...did you mention Talk Talk?

I always thought the middle section with the piano riff was a great piece of music.

Talk Talk [Official video 1] - Talk Talk (HD/HQ).
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5 days ago  

Ragin' Asian: In my experience, Mormons are very nice people. Their insular community issues fugazi credentials.


People can be externally nice, but oppressive (or oppressed) within their own culture though.
 
5 days ago  

LordBeavis: FTFA- Such an ouster is rare and is the harshest punishment available for a member of the faith...

Bless in disguise.  You can excommunicate me anytime.


It's also made her a lot more notable, inside and outside the church, than she was pre-expulsion.  Streisand Effect and all.

Lifeless: What would Mormon sex therapy be like?  Probably just reminding the wife that you have to break a few eggs to make an omelet.


A lot of the same issues that come up in Hasidic communities and traditionalist Catholic groups.  Besides gays-in-denial, a huge number of cases of vaginismus (a mental block on sex to the point that classic baby-making sex is completely off the table), and then a religious guilt-shame cycle around that, too.
 
5 days ago  
The rapists. It's pronounced the rapists.
 
5 days ago  

dothemath: Theres a very weird subset of porn that depicts mormon buggery.

That I heard about.


Get
Out
And
Try
Sex
Extremely...

/ not gonna Spend too much time on this one
 
5 days ago  
I remember, long ago, playing Mormonoids From the Deep, and at some point in game finding a room with a projector flashing images of a woman in a bikini with a voice saying "NO" each time, and alternating with something else (maybe a picture of the Book of Mormon) and a voice saying "YES," so I just assumed that's what Mormon sex therapy is.

/Get a brain, Mormonoids

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5 days ago  

Ragin' Asian: In my experience, Mormons are very nice people. Their insular community issues fugazi credentials.


Nice and sane are not the same thing
 
5 days ago  
I'm guessing mormon sex therapy involves reminding couples they have to cut a hole in the sheet.
 
5 days ago  

RainDawg: I'm guessing mormon sex therapy involves reminding couples they have to cut a hole in the sheet.


I'm sure those sheets are standard to the bride's trousseau.
 
5 days ago  

winedrinkingman: Lifeless: What would Mormon sex therapy be like?  Probably just reminding the wife that you have to break a few eggs to make an omelet.

It's actually a pretty serious thing.  Mormonism really farks up people and their views on sex, and this almost always carries over into marriage.  I have lots of Mormon friends who were uncomfortable being naked around their spouses for years after they got married.  I am a dude, and I have body issues and I have uncomfortable as hell being shirtless, even though I left the cult fourteen years ago.

Most Mormon couples, even the ones that love each other very much, have a lot of issues with sexual intimacy, which is something that the ex-Mormon community has uncovered by talking to and interviewing hundreds of thousands of people who either left the church, or are struggling.  That's even before you get into the tens of thousands of Mormon couples where one partner is pretending to be straight, or the hundreds of thousands of couples where the wife thinks her husband is cheating on her, because she caught him watching a pornographic movie, and her church has spent decades telling her it is the same thing.  Then you have the problem where the church is a hunting ground for pedophiles, so you have hundreds of thousands, if not millions of members who are dealing with drama from sexual assault.

You have all these huge problems, and more, and the church's response is to tell everyone to shut up and not talk about it, because it is ran by a 96 year old man, and a bunch of leaders in their 90s and 80s who are stuck in the sexual myths of the 1950s.


I was raised Mormon, drifted away during high school and college, then came back when I met Mrs. Gratch.  I gave it an actual effort for a few years (we even did the whole temple marriage thing), but I eventually couldn't stomach the BS and haven't been to church in 20+ years now.  She is still very active, taking the kids to church every Sunday, teaching in Primary, etc.

From my personal experience, I'll second most of your thoughts (I think "tens of thousands of couples pretending to be straight" is probably a bit much).  She still struggles with a general level of shame and guilt around sex, and we've been together 24 years next week.  It's still extremely difficult for her to talk about anything related to sex because it was burned into her brain from the time she was born that sex is "dirty" and something to be ashamed of.

Thankfully, we have made significant progress over the years and it's never been an insurmountable barrier, but having that specter of shame hanging over any sort of intimacy can certainly make things more difficult.
 
5 days ago  

Ragin' Asian: In my experience, Mormons are very nice people. Their insular community issues fugazi credentials.


Mormons outside of Utah are nice. The ones living in Utah are part of the gang in power and behave accordingly.
 
5 days ago  
What issues? Calling out for wife 3 when you're with wife 4
 
5 days ago  

steklo: wait...did you mention Talk Talk?
I always thought the middle section with the piano riff was a great piece of music.


Agreed. I'd never heard that song before and that part was sweet. Remind me a little bit of
Safesurfer
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Warning: This is heavy
 
5 days ago  

Gratch: She still struggles with a general level of shame and guilt around sex, and we've been together 24 years next week.  It's still extremely difficult for her to talk about anything related to sex because it was burned into her brain from the time she was born that sex is "dirty" and something to be ashamed of.


I can't even imagine this existing in my life. All my S/O's were very into sex and not just performing it, but talking about it, figuring out new ways to please each other, and it was always, always out in the open. Nothing was too obscure or out of the way. It was a bad day when it wasn't discussed. Not saying sex is the catch all for all relationships but both partners have to agree on some middle ground.


Different strokes for different folks.

But 24 years?   Is that the anniversary that you get a medal?

Congrats.

I celebrate my 10th on Friday.


still, no plans...
 
5 days ago  

berylman: No amount of therapy can cure magic temple undergarments. That shiat is burnt in Romney style
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They kicked me out when I couldn't fill out the front pouch in the magic underwear. What am I, a kangaroo?
 
5 days ago  

AlgaeRancher: Ragin' Asian: In my experience, Mormons are very nice people. Their insular community issues fugazi credentials.

Nice and sane are not the same thing


Banned Mormon Cartoon - EXTENDED VERSION
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Dude, it's a previous century's version of Scientology...   :-)
 
5 days ago  
Rick's College is now BYU-Idaho

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/ Lotsa Mormons in Idaho
 
5 days ago  

stevenvictx: TheGreatGazoo: If you are a member of the church, it's expected that you let check elders quiz your kids on their dating, thoughts about sex, and good help them sex before marriage.

If you are a girl who has sex before marriage then your vagina is ruined for your perspective husband.

So at this point she can just about bang the entire male sunday school class since shes already crossed the bridge of no return.


From what I understand, that's what college freshwomen are like that weren't allowed to date in High School.  At least in the 1980s/1990s, and I can bet it only got worse with "purity culture".
 
5 days ago  

yet_another_wumpus: From what I understand, that's what college freshwomen are like that weren't allowed to date in High School.  At least in the 1980s/1990s, and I can bet it only got worse with "purity culture".


I dated a religious girl right after high school.  It took a while for her to get comfortable with even thinking about sex but her biological urges were too strong to ignore. Finally when she was ready, we did the deed.

when it was all done and said...she laid on her back arms stretched out and pulled them in to pray...

"Dear God, This shouldn't be a sin"

I laughed.

"Ya know, if I apologize to Jesus when I get to heaven for this, they will let me in, right?"
 
5 days ago  
I do love that a religion so hung up on sex has a creation myth based on "endless celestial sex".  Your God farked like crazy, so you exist.
 
5 days ago  

Kris_Romm: I do love that a religion so hung up on sex has a creation myth based on "endless celestial sex".  Your God farked like crazy, so you exist.


So much of the Joe Smith era was tied in with American Romantic (literary) era emotionalism.  It was sort of like Pentacostals were later (and a lot of them have gotten boring, too)... a lot of weeping on the floor and touchy-feeling and 'stirrings of the heart'.

Mormons didn't adopt the holier stick-up-their-asses than thou strategy until the Correlation Committee era starting in the early 20th century, and not completely until exiting WWII.  This still causes a fair bit of mental disconnect between modern straight-edge Mormonism and their supposed dogma.
 
5 days ago  
Do you have any idea how much 3% beer it would take to deal with one wife, let alone seven?
 
5 days ago  

Doctoral Candidate Zaius: Do you have any idea how much 3% beer it would take to deal with one wife, let alone seven?


I hate booze. Hate the taste of it, but I like getting buzzed.

So with that in mind, skip the beer and make some drinks with grain alcohol.
 
5 days ago  
Mom got us into Mormonism when my brother and I were both in grade school. She was a single parent and I figured the missionaries preyed upon her desire to belong to something. I never did care for it, I REALLY didn't like having to waste around three hours of my Sundays. About the only good thing was they sponsored their own Cub/Boy Scout troop and the kept us pretty well funded. Stopped going when I was 11 and never returned.  Probably fortunate on the timing as it was slightly before puberty really kicked in. There would have been a LOT of touching yourself shaming.
 
5 days ago  
Hey this is is the same church that excommunicated the guy (sam young) that said "maybe we shouldnt have an untrained middle aged guy in a room alone with a preteen\teenager ask direct and detailed questions about masturbation.".
 
5 days ago  
Well they probably deal with things like whether to use talc or corn starch to prevent your magic underwear from chaffing.
 
4 days ago  

Kris_Romm: I do love that a religion so hung up on sex has a creation myth based on "endless celestial sex".  Your God farked like crazy, so you exist.


Beats the standard Christian one where eternity is 24/7 Church services and no sex.
 
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