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2021-06-09 9:08:15 AM  
Early riser here.   It's also a curse.  No matter how late I stay up at night, I'm fully awake by 6:00am.   "Sleeping late" is when I'm up at 7:00am.


FTA: What if I told you that scientists have discovered that people who get up earlier in the morning tend to be happier and better protected against depression?

Ha!  Haha! HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!
(cough cough, inhale)
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA​HA!
 
2021-06-09 9:21:39 AM  
Lifelong early riser here. I just can't sleep past sunrise. Early morning is the best part of the day.
 
2021-06-09 9:50:39 AM  
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Gee, thanks Guardian.

The time you wake up every morning is baked into your DNA.

Why did you wake up so early? I've got young children! They won't let me sleep any later!


Oh kay.  Which is it then.  Nevermind, I'll pass on your notes.
 
2021-06-09 9:52:18 AM  
The author was being too cute by half by writing that in the form of a fake interview.
 
2021-06-09 9:53:41 AM  
4 AM every day
It's wonderful
Except in the winter when it farking blows
 
2021-06-09 10:14:17 AM  
I've got circadian rhythm issues like a mofo and getting up early is my nemesis. I can do it as a once off and power through the pain/fog, but it's impossible to do with regularity. My parents literally had to throw cups of water on me nearly every day to get me out of bed when I was in HS. I regularly fell asleep in the shower afterwards. Their solution was to make me go to bed earlier, which just meant more hours lying in bed unable to sleep with my mind racing. It was hell.

Once, when I got a new job and was telling my sister about it, she asked me about the hours. I said "11am to 8pm", to which she enviously replied "How do you ALWAYS find jobs where you can sleep in?!"  I was like, "because I HAVE TO!". My career has been handcuffed somewhat by my complete inability to force myself to wake up at what most people consider "normal". I once tried taking a 7am start time job, thinking that maybe, just maybe, I could force myself to change (and tried every trick in the book that year) and I was miserable. My co-workers literally told customers and other staff to leave me alone for the first two hours, since I was only good for grunts and nods until around 8:30. I could do brainless, repetitive stuff (like data entry), but anything requiring my attention (or pretending to be nice) was out.

And before people in the thread start suggesting that I try their fool-proof method, trust me, I have and it didn't work. The only good thing about getting older is that my sleep needs are getting shorter by the year (I used to need 9 hours, and I'm down to 7.5 now), so I'm slowly working my way toward a more normal wake up time. Maybe when I'm 80, I might be able to get up before 8am without wanting to die.
 
2021-06-09 10:20:04 AM  

taintbaggins: 4 AM every day
It's wonderful
Except in the winter when it farking blows


I kicked my groggy, sleep-in lateness in my 30s.  Begin to wake up early every morning.  Now in my 50s I'm back to naturally late-waking.

The Whole Story:  I developed a bad case of alcoholism in my late 20s and finally kicked it in 2015.  The early morning wakeups were caused by alcohol withdrawal.

tl;dr

taintbaggins, get help now ;)
 
2021-06-09 11:04:27 AM  

SansNeural: taintbaggins: 4 AM every day
It's wonderful
Except in the winter when it farking blows

I kicked my groggy, sleep-in lateness in my 30s.  Begin to wake up early every morning.  Now in my 50s I'm back to naturally late-waking.

The Whole Story:  I developed a bad case of alcoholism in my late 20s and finally kicked it in 2015.  The early morning wakeups were caused by alcohol withdrawal.

tl;dr

taintbaggins, get help now ;)


Heh
My tea toddler canines are the culprits.
 
2021-06-09 11:35:53 AM  
I've been tortured my whole life by early rises. "You're just lazy". "Just go to bed earlier", "Stop making so much noise, we're sleeping" yet they have no problem making a crapload of noise early mornings and waking *ME* up is perfectly acceptable because "I should be up, anyway". etc...

Fark all that. If I go to sleep at 10PM, I'll get up at 9AM. If I go to sleep at 1AM, I'll wake up at 9AM. Been that way my whole life.
 
2021-06-09 12:07:21 PM  
This headline is the POV of a right stupid POS.

"The lark advantage: why naturally early risers are happier than night owls"


The advantage is cultural not natural, you douchy deduceer dropping the deuce of false knowledge here.

Those of us that are naturally night owl and have baked int our DNA are in fact just as happy as any morning lark. When the fook we can be left to our own natural schedules. But civilization just happens to run morning to night much more than it does run at night.


So those of us naturally night owls, are not naturally less happy, than somehow just inhumanly intrinsically happy morning larks. instead we're forced into unnatural schedules by our market cultures in order to earn rent.

one of the happiest/easy natural no effort times in my life was when i had an overnight job and spent 3 years with no need for an alarm clock to be at work on time and ready to go.
And i been this way my whole life, as kid, young adult and according to my mom even as an infant.
 
2021-06-09 12:40:33 PM  
I get up at 3:30 am.  I'm not sure if it's considered very early or extremely late.
 
2021-06-09 12:45:10 PM  

PvtStash: This headline is the POV of a right stupid POS.

"The lark advantage: why naturally early risers are happier than night owls"


The advantage is cultural not natural, you douchy deduceer dropping the deuce of false knowledge here.

Those of us that are naturally night owl and have baked int our DNA are in fact just as happy as any morning lark. When the fook we can be left to our own natural schedules. But civilization just happens to run morning to night much more than it does run at night.


So those of us naturally night owls, are not naturally less happy, than somehow just inhumanly intrinsically happy morning larks. instead we're forced into unnatural schedules by our market cultures in order to earn rent.

one of the happiest/easy natural no effort times in my life was when i had an overnight job and spent 3 years with no need for an alarm clock to be at work on time and ready to go.
And i been this way my whole life, as kid, young adult and according to my mom even as an infant.


There might have been an evolutionary advantage - for our social species - to having *both* night owls and morning persons, with the former quite naturally and literally "taking the night watch".
 
2021-06-09 1:10:46 PM  

SansNeural: PvtStash: This headline is the POV of a right stupid POS.

"The lark advantage: why naturally early risers are happier than night owls"


The advantage is cultural not natural, you douchy deduceer dropping the deuce of false knowledge here.

Those of us that are naturally night owl and have baked int our DNA are in fact just as happy as any morning lark. When the fook we can be left to our own natural schedules. But civilization just happens to run morning to night much more than it does run at night.


So those of us naturally night owls, are not naturally less happy, than somehow just inhumanly intrinsically happy morning larks. instead we're forced into unnatural schedules by our market cultures in order to earn rent.

one of the happiest/easy natural no effort times in my life was when i had an overnight job and spent 3 years with no need for an alarm clock to be at work on time and ready to go.
And i been this way my whole life, as kid, young adult and according to my mom even as an infant.

There might have been an evolutionary advantage - for our social species - to having *both* night owls and morning persons, with the former quite naturally and literally "taking the night watch".


I have long been of the mind that the 'we' has never really been so singular.
i find "we" are about as "we" as saying all the birds are a single "them."
meat eaters, veggie eater, general opportunist.
day living, night living
single mate seeking, multi mate seeking
parental raising, breed and move on
and so on and so on.

there are just too many ways that people naturally behave on their own, for us all to be a single unified running the same exact base program like that for me to imagine we are any more singular as a group, than all the birds are.

It just clearly gets  a bit weird and challenging for us, when we discover we can make choices about the base program instincts and if we follow them or try to override them with cultural input.
 
2021-06-09 1:23:53 PM  

PvtStash: SansNeural: PvtStash: This headline is the POV of a right stupid POS.

"The lark advantage: why naturally early risers are happier than night owls"


The advantage is cultural not natural, you douchy deduceer dropping the deuce of false knowledge here.

Those of us that are naturally night owl and have baked int our DNA are in fact just as happy as any morning lark. When the fook we can be left to our own natural schedules. But civilization just happens to run morning to night much more than it does run at night.


So those of us naturally night owls, are not naturally less happy, than somehow just inhumanly intrinsically happy morning larks. instead we're forced into unnatural schedules by our market cultures in order to earn rent.

one of the happiest/easy natural no effort times in my life was when i had an overnight job and spent 3 years with no need for an alarm clock to be at work on time and ready to go.
And i been this way my whole life, as kid, young adult and according to my mom even as an infant.

There might have been an evolutionary advantage - for our social species - to having *both* night owls and morning persons, with the former quite naturally and literally "taking the night watch".

I have long been of the mind that the 'we' has never really been so singular.
i find "we" are about as "we" as saying all the birds are a single "them."
meat eaters, veggie eater, general opportunist.
day living, night living
single mate seeking, multi mate seeking
parental raising, breed and move on
and so on and so on.

there are just too many ways that people naturally behave on their own, for us all to be a single unified running the same exact base program like that for me to imagine we are any more singular as a group, than all the birds are.

It just clearly gets  a bit weird and challenging for us, when we discover we can make choices about the base program instincts and if we follow them or try to override them with cultural input.


Heh.  It's like we're each born with a couple-thousand control knobs for preset functions.  Some of the knobs cover a range of -3 to +7 and others go all the way to 11.  But none of the knobs are labelled and we don't know where most of them are or that they exist at all.

So we run on all these variables but we don't know what they are, where they are nor how to operate them.
 
2021-06-09 4:41:31 PM  

MrBallou: Lifelong early riser here. I just can't sleep past sunrise. Early morning is the best part of the day.


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Early morning is hell. It doesn't matter if you stay up late and hit it that way or awaken before the dawn, early morning is when the oven turns on for the day and the skeeters wake
 
2021-06-09 5:05:33 PM  
What about unnaturally early risers? I have two cats, and they get me up at 5AM, against my will. The fat one wants his servant to bring him breakfast (and he will head butt me until I do), and the little one wants to remind me once a week that carpet is for throwing up on.
 
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