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2021-06-09 7:48:01 AM  
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2021-06-09 7:53:41 AM  
If you believe that a virus just appeared there and didn't come from the craptacular virus lab next door.
 
2021-06-09 7:53:42 AM  
Not sure how that has any relevance to what the bio-warfare or contagious labs in the Wuhan area working on in 2019 and early 2020.
 
2021-06-09 7:55:40 AM  
Man, I could really go for a 38 species BBQ right now.  And Spam.   Bat Spam Ox Spam Eagle Spam Mollusk Spam Yeti Spam Camel Spam Meerkat Spam Dodo Spam Spam Spam Spam Spam Spam Spa​m Spam Spam Rat Spam
 
2021-06-09 7:57:09 AM  
That's almost enough variety for them to make their own hot dogs. It's a start.
 
2021-06-09 7:58:02 AM  
humans are lucky.  Their blood temperature is freakishly low compared to most mammals. Probably makes it hard for germs to transfer.
 
2021-06-09 7:59:15 AM  

Harry Freakstorm: Man, I could really go for a 38 species BBQ right now.  And Spam.   Bat Spam Ox Spam Eagle Spam Mollusk Spam Yeti Spam Camel Spam Meerkat Spam Dodo Spam Spam Spam Spam Spam Spam Spa​m Spam Spam Rat Spam


Yeah, if you gotta die of something, y'oughta try and die of everything!
 
2021-06-09 8:00:07 AM  

Sexy Jesus: If you believe that a virus just appeared there and didn't come from the craptacular virus lab next door.


I'm inclined to believe it was a confluence of things.  Poor procedures at the lab led to a relatively minor breach.  If this lab weren't in the middle of a petri dish, end of story.  If China were more open about things, end of story.  If global leaders were capable of enacting policies purely because they are the correct policies to enact without having to think of all the political consequences, end of story.

The real punchline here is that something like this was inevitable before, and it's inevitable in the future.  It was surely more likely to originate in that kind of environment than somewhere else, but give ANY virology labs enough time and a minor breach is a statistical guarantee.
 
2021-06-09 8:01:44 AM  
When I went to boot camp, everyone got sick. There's something about gathering 80 dudes from all over the country and cramming them in an open barracks. Everyone traded their regional cold/flu/crud. And that's with us being trained to be scrupulously clean.

Cram 47,000 animals from 38 species tail to nose in an single filthy market, it's not surprising viruses make the occasional animal to human jump.
 
2021-06-09 8:02:52 AM  

SwiftFox: humans are lucky.  Their blood temperature is freakishly low compared to most mammals. Probably makes it hard for germs to transfer.


There are always offsets though. What other mammal intentionally licks an airplane toilet seat for internet points?
 
2021-06-09 8:04:23 AM  
My Brother in Law said that if D2S hadn't been cheated out of his second term, he would have sued China for 10 or 20 trillion dollars and would thus keep his promise about paying off the national debt.

"Good news, America.   I have successfully sued the country of Chiner for 20 trillion dollars.  I am immediately placing 10 trillion against the national debt.  This 7 trillion will reduce the cost of supporting this great debt.  I cannot wait to see the positive impact this 5 trillion will have on the great economy I have created.  Also, I am now officially a trillionaire.  This is not related to the previous statements
 
2021-06-09 8:05:13 AM  

Private_Citizen: When I went to boot camp, everyone got sick. There's something about gathering 80 dudes from all over the country and cramming them in an open barracks. Everyone traded their regional cold/flu/crud. And that's with us being trained to be scrupulously clean.

Cram 47,000 animals from 38 species tail to nose in an single filthy market, it's not surprising viruses make the occasional animal to human jump.


What did it jump from? I haven't heard about them finding an intermediary host yet. Pray elucidate.
 
2021-06-09 8:09:41 AM  

Sexy Jesus: Private_Citizen: When I went to boot camp, everyone got sick. There's something about gathering 80 dudes from all over the country and cramming them in an open barracks. Everyone traded their regional cold/flu/crud. And that's with us being trained to be scrupulously clean.

Cram 47,000 animals from 38 species tail to nose in an single filthy market, it's not surprising viruses make the occasional animal to human jump.

What did it jump from? I haven't heard about them finding an intermediary host yet. Pray elucidate.


Unlike conspiracy theories, science rarely offers quick, easy answers. But if you're actually interested in following it, start here
https://www.cidrap.umn.edu/news-persp​e​ctive/2021/03/report-covid-origins-hig​hlights-clues-animal-human-jump
It's a work in progress, but we're getting closer.
 
2021-06-09 8:13:13 AM  

Sexy Jesus: Private_Citizen: When I went to boot camp, everyone got sick. There's something about gathering 80 dudes from all over the country and cramming them in an open barracks. Everyone traded their regional cold/flu/crud. And that's with us being trained to be scrupulously clean.

Cram 47,000 animals from 38 species tail to nose in an single filthy market, it's not surprising viruses make the occasional animal to human jump.

What did it jump from? I haven't heard about them finding an intermediary host yet. Pray elucidate.


It was Dave.  He's the intermediary host.  He invites you over for a 'party'.  All he's got is a six of beer and he's drank two of them.  "Harry, run out and get some beer and maybe a pizza.  Everyone's hungry."  Jesus...  oh.  Sorry SJ.  Crap what an intermediary host.  Everyone in my Remediating  English class think so.
 
2021-06-09 8:14:59 AM  

NikolaiFarkoff: That's almost enough variety for them to make their own hot dogs. It's a start.


Oh, they eat hot dogs. Stewed.
 
2021-06-09 8:15:21 AM  
Wouldn't take much to change this headline and get it listed under the D'awwww tab.
 
2021-06-09 8:16:41 AM  
Look if you're going to spread wild speculation or unfounded rumors about virus origins, do it right.

Working theory is that mad scientists of the dominionist "Christian" fundamentalist ilk engineered the virus in the U.S. and brought it to China to release it, as part of an insane project to bring about the End Times by fulfilling prophecies of plagues, and to further the perception of China as an enemy in coming global struggles. Wake up sheeple! They're not going to stop with one, Revelations speaks of plagueS plural and these ghouls want everyone dead.
 
2021-06-09 8:19:29 AM  
Yeah, aerosolized urine, feces, and blood from that many mammalian and avian species in one place is a recipe for disaster.

You don't see slaughterhouses in the civilized world handling that wide of a variety.  Maybe a poultry processor might do chickens and turkeys, or ducks and geese.
 
2021-06-09 8:23:06 AM  
I'm almost amazed
 
2021-06-09 8:26:40 AM  
The Wuhan market, feeding cattle ground up brains resulting in mad cows disease, factory chicken farms churning out salmonella and Ecoli, factory pig farms polluting the local environment so that it is intolerable for neighbors to remain, and so many unnecessarily cruel practices that add nothing to the meat the consumer will buy: When will we learn that animal welfare is human welfare and act accordingly?
 
2021-06-09 8:41:23 AM  

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Name checks out
 
2021-06-09 8:41:33 AM  

SirEattonHogg: Not sure how that has any relevance to what the bio-warfare or contagious labs in the Wuhan area working on in 2019 and early 2020.


Yep. the markets - as gross as the are - are innocent.

FTA: "The new paper, written by researchers from China, Britain and Canada, said there was no evidence that live bats or pangolins were sold in Wuhan"
 
2021-06-09 8:42:47 AM  
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2021-06-09 8:44:52 AM  
it came from a lab
 
2021-06-09 8:45:57 AM  

BeesNuts: Sexy Jesus: If you believe that a virus just appeared there and didn't come from the craptacular virus lab next door.

I'm inclined to believe it was a confluence of things.  Poor procedures at the lab led to a relatively minor breach.  If this lab weren't in the middle of a petri dish, end of story.  If China were more open about things, end of story.  If global leaders were capable of enacting policies purely because they are the correct policies to enact without having to think of all the political consequences, end of story.

The real punchline here is that something like this was inevitable before, and it's inevitable in the future.  It was surely more likely to originate in that kind of environment than somewhere else, but give ANY virology labs enough time and a minor breach is a statistical guarantee.


Sadly what is also inevitable is when natural disaster strikes low information people want to blame witches and kill them.

The witches this time around are Chinese, and if you can't blame all of them then it must be Chinese lab workers.
 
2021-06-09 8:46:58 AM  

SwiftFox: humans are lucky.  Their blood temperature is freakishly low compared to most mammals. Probably makes it hard for germs to transfer.


Would like a word...
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2021-06-09 8:47:03 AM  

some_beer_drinker: it came from a lab


So did your mom.
 
2021-06-09 8:48:52 AM  
There were several Chinese citizens caught trying to smuggle viruses and cancer cells out of the US in 2019.

Harvard professor arrested
 
2021-06-09 8:48:56 AM  

some_beer_drinker: it came from a lab


You also believe in aliens, so lets just all take everything you say with a grain of salt the size of Manhattan.
 
2021-06-09 8:49:25 AM  

Harry Freakstorm: Sexy Jesus: Private_Citizen: When I went to boot camp, everyone got sick. There's something about gathering 80 dudes from all over the country and cramming them in an open barracks. Everyone traded their regional cold/flu/crud. And that's with us being trained to be scrupulously clean.

Cram 47,000 animals from 38 species tail to nose in an single filthy market, it's not surprising viruses make the occasional animal to human jump.

What did it jump from? I haven't heard about them finding an intermediary host yet. Pray elucidate.

It was Dave.  He's the intermediary host.  He invites you over for a 'party'.  All he's got is a six of beer and he's drank two of them.  "Harry, run out and get some beer and maybe a pizza.  Everyone's hungry."  Jesus...  oh.  Sorry SJ.  Crap what an intermediary host.  Everyone in my Remediating  English class think so.


You're totally on fire today.
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2021-06-09 8:49:34 AM  

some_beer_drinker: it came from a lab


It's scientific rigor and a dedication to the truth that makes fark what it is
 
2021-06-09 8:51:17 AM  
*so far, that we know of.
 
2021-06-09 8:57:17 AM  

TheGreatGazoo: There were several Chinese citizens caught trying to smuggle viruses and cancer cells out of the US in 2019.

Harvard professor arrested


That's some great astroturfing you did there.

The story says nothing about viruses, and even if it did benign viruses are used in testing delivery of genomic therapies for cancer.

So what are you trying to lie about prove?
 
2021-06-09 8:59:33 AM  

thealgorerhythm: TheGreatGazoo: There were several Chinese citizens caught trying to smuggle viruses and cancer cells out of the US in 2019.

Harvard professor arrested

That's some great astroturfing you did there.

The story says nothing about viruses, and even if it did benign viruses are used in testing delivery of genomic therapies for cancer.

So what are you trying to lie about prove?


If you have cancer and get on a plane, would that be smuggling cancer cells?
 
2021-06-09 9:05:30 AM  

Bruscar: The Wuhan market, feeding cattle ground up brains resulting in mad cows disease, factory chicken farms churning out salmonella and Ecoli, factory pig farms polluting the local environment so that it is intolerable for neighbors to remain, and so many unnecessarily cruel practices that add nothing to the meat the consumer will buy: When will we learn that animal welfare is human welfare and act accordingly?


Can't we just nuke China from orbit?
 
2021-06-09 9:09:58 AM  
Blaming the open air markets of Wuhan is culturally insensitive and racist.

Possibility of a lab leak at Wuhan lab that was paid millions of taxpayer dollars hasn't been ruled out.

Covid came for the Wuhan market!
 
2021-06-09 9:14:57 AM  

thealgorerhythm: TheGreatGazoo: There were several Chinese citizens caught trying to smuggle viruses and cancer cells out of the US in 2019.

Harvard professor arrested

That's some great astroturfing you did there.

The story says nothing about viruses, and even if it did benign viruses are used in testing delivery of genomic therapies for cancer.

So what are you trying to lie about prove?


The great Kazoo plays the music, and the algorerythme sets the beat?
 
2021-06-09 9:17:24 AM  
Funny how all those EVALI diagnoses just disappeared as soon as SARS-CoV-2 testing became ubiquitous in the United States.  Funny because EVALI was clinically indistinct from Covid-19.  It wasn't nearly as catchy as any of the strains circulating in February of 2020, but then again the stuff circulating in February of 2020 isn't nearly as catchy as the variants circulating now.

All snark aside, any journalistic musing that doesn't include EVALI as the possible progenitor to Covid-19 is propaganda.  The WHO may have named this virus after SARS, but the slide into ARDS in SARS and Covid-19 is really different once you look at the fine resolution details like complement activation.  Covid-19 is much more like EVALI in that regard, the caveat being that EVALI was assumed to be a chemical phenomenon so deep dive complement channel observation never occurred.  And now it's all gone, like tears in the rain.

Take a look at the similarities yourself.  Uncanny, really.

www.thelancet.com/journals/lanres/arti​cle/PIIS2213-2600(20)30327-1/fulltext
 
2021-06-09 9:18:15 AM  
For something that is so contagious in humans, we sure are having a rough time finding it's precursor in animals...
 
2021-06-09 9:18:24 AM  

Gubbo: thealgorerhythm: TheGreatGazoo: There were several Chinese citizens caught trying to smuggle viruses and cancer cells out of the US in 2019.

Harvard professor arrested

That's some great astroturfing you did there.

The story says nothing about viruses, and even if it did benign viruses are used in testing delivery of genomic therapies for cancer.

So what are you trying to lie about prove?

If you have cancer and get on a plane, would that be smuggling cancer cells?


More like intellectual property theft. Why do basic R&D, which can be expensive, time consuming, and often leads to dead ends when you can just steal the finished goods and the plans to make more?
 
2021-06-09 9:31:02 AM  

Private_Citizen: Sexy Jesus: Private_Citizen: When I went to boot camp, everyone got sick. There's something about gathering 80 dudes from all over the country and cramming them in an open barracks. Everyone traded their regional cold/flu/crud. And that's with us being trained to be scrupulously clean.

Cram 47,000 animals from 38 species tail to nose in an single filthy market, it's not surprising viruses make the occasional animal to human jump.

What did it jump from? I haven't heard about them finding an intermediary host yet. Pray elucidate.

Unlike conspiracy theories, science rarely offers quick, easy answers. But if you're actually interested in following it, start here
https://www.cidrap.umn.edu/news-perspe​ctive/2021/03/report-covid-origins-hig​hlights-clues-animal-human-jump
It's a work in progress, but we're getting closer.


So a team that was co-selected with China, under China's supervision, and only allowed to see items and locations China had previously selected came to a conclusion that China's government was not responsible for anything.


Shocking.
 
2021-06-09 9:40:31 AM  

backhand.slap.of.reason: Funny how all those EVALI diagnoses just disappeared as soon as SARS-CoV-2 testing became ubiquitous in the United States.  Funny because EVALI was clinically indistinct from Covid-19.  It wasn't nearly as catchy as any of the strains circulating in February of 2020, but then again the stuff circulating in February of 2020 isn't nearly as catchy as the variants circulating now.

All snark aside, any journalistic musing that doesn't include EVALI as the possible progenitor to Covid-19 is propaganda.  The WHO may have named this virus after SARS, but the slide into ARDS in SARS and Covid-19 is really different once you look at the fine resolution details like complement activation.  Covid-19 is much more like EVALI in that regard, the caveat being that EVALI was assumed to be a chemical phenomenon so deep dive complement channel observation never occurred.  And now it's all gone, like tears in the rain.

Take a look at the similarities yourself.  Uncanny, really.

www.thelancet.com/journals/lanres/arti​cle/PIIS2213-2600(20)30327-1/fulltext


I went down your rabbit hole, but I'm failing to track with your suggested causality. EVALI is certainly on its way into the public eye, but you're suggesting there's a complementary disease that has been ignored/misread in the wake of its similarities to our SARS de jour?
 
2021-06-09 9:42:04 AM  

ElecricalPast: Private_Citizen: Sexy Jesus: Private_Citizen: When I went to boot camp, everyone got sick. There's something about gathering 80 dudes from all over the country and cramming them in an open barracks. Everyone traded their regional cold/flu/crud. And that's with us being trained to be scrupulously clean.

Cram 47,000 animals from 38 species tail to nose in an single filthy market, it's not surprising viruses make the occasional animal to human jump.

What did it jump from? I haven't heard about them finding an intermediary host yet. Pray elucidate.

Unlike conspiracy theories, science rarely offers quick, easy answers. But if you're actually interested in following it, start here
https://www.cidrap.umn.edu/news-perspe​ctive/2021/03/report-covid-origins-hig​hlights-clues-animal-human-jump
It's a work in progress, but we're getting closer.

So a team that was co-selected with China, under China's supervision, and only allowed to see items and locations China had previously selected came to a conclusion that China's government was not responsible for anything.


Shocking.


You're right - speculation and suspicion ARE more fun.
 
2021-06-09 9:43:02 AM  
There were not live bats or pangolins for sale at the market.  It was winter in China, so bats are hibernating anyways.  Occam's razor says it's the sloppy lab that has plenty of bat virus being studied a few hundred meters next door.  The Chinese cover up afterwards also leads to that conclusion.
 
2021-06-09 9:48:40 AM  
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2021-06-09 9:50:03 AM  
I like that they gloss right over the horrifying mine in Yunnan. From another article:

"The workers, ages 30 to 63, were scrubbing a copper seam clean of bat faeces in April 2012. Weeks later, they were admitted to a hospital in the provincial capital of Kunming with persistent coughs, fevers, head and chest pains and breathing difficulties. Three eventually died.

From 2012 to 2015, WIV researchers identified as many as 293 coronaviruses in and around the mine.

The institute in November 2020 disclosed the existence of eight other "SARS-type" coronavirus samples taken from the site."



It's China's hollow-tree-trunk.
 
2021-06-09 9:54:00 AM  

thealgorerhythm: some_beer_drinker: it came from a lab

So did your mom.


That's kinda ruff ...
 
2021-06-09 9:57:45 AM  

Gubbo: thealgorerhythm: TheGreatGazoo: There were several Chinese citizens caught trying to smuggle viruses and cancer cells out of the US in 2019.

Harvard professor arrested

That's some great astroturfing you did there.

The story says nothing about viruses, and even if it did benign viruses are used in testing delivery of genomic therapies for cancer.

So what are you trying to lie about prove?

If you have cancer and get on a plane, would that be smuggling cancer cells?


If the cancer is is your ass ... maybe
 
2021-06-09 9:59:54 AM  

Bowen: SwiftFox: humans are lucky.  Their blood temperature is freakishly low compared to most mammals. Probably makes it hard for germs to transfer.

There are always offsets though. What other mammal intentionally licks an airplane toilet seat for internet points?


dogs will do it for less than that.  dogs will eat cat turds and thank you for the privelege.
 
2021-06-09 10:00:18 AM  

undernova: ElecricalPast: Private_Citizen: Sexy Jesus: Private_Citizen: When I went to boot camp, everyone got sick. There's something about gathering 80 dudes from all over the country and cramming them in an open barracks. Everyone traded their regional cold/flu/crud. And that's with us being trained to be scrupulously clean.

Cram 47,000 animals from 38 species tail to nose in an single filthy market, it's not surprising viruses make the occasional animal to human jump.

What did it jump from? I haven't heard about them finding an intermediary host yet. Pray elucidate.

Unlike conspiracy theories, science rarely offers quick, easy answers. But if you're actually interested in following it, start here
https://www.cidrap.umn.edu/news-perspe​ctive/2021/03/report-covid-origins-hig​hlights-clues-animal-human-jump
It's a work in progress, but we're getting closer.

So a team that was co-selected with China, under China's supervision, and only allowed to see items and locations China had previously selected came to a conclusion that China's government was not responsible for anything.


Shocking.

You're right - speculation and suspicion ARE more fun.



You're right - unquestioning trust in what the China Communist Party says IS more efficient. Carry on, comrade.
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