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(The Register)   The FBI paid a "confidential human source" $180k to create the backdoored AN0M chat app that busted so many drug bad guys. He better hope he's behind more than seven proxies - those bad guys that have their own networks   (theregister.com) divider line
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2021-06-09 9:29:50 AM  
The closure of Phantom Secure put the staff working there on the FBI's radar. The bureau's San Diego office recruited a developer at the company as a confidential human source (CHS), court documents state. This source had previously been sentenced to six years in the clink for importing illegal drugs, and agreed to cooperate with the Feds to reduce any future punishment potentially coming their way.

Shouldn't be too f$cking hard to identify them.  You know what the small company they worked for and that they were sentenced to 6 years for importing drugs.

Also, it seems obvious to me that this was likely an existing app that this person was clever enough to come up with the idea of a backdoor to make a deal with the FBI.
 
2021-06-09 9:32:21 AM  
The Canadian's name is right here on the wiki page.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Phantom​_​Secure
 
2021-06-09 9:37:21 AM  
Holy shiat.  This cold be a movie.  Who I am kidding.  With things like Netflix and Prime it will definitely be a movie.

https://thewalrus.ca/the-rise-and-fal​l​-of-a-double-agent/
 
2021-06-09 9:47:45 AM  
They paid for their own demise?

Wow, that must... sting.
 
2021-06-09 9:49:08 AM  
Did the FBI already have warrants to monitor the people they sold devices to ?
 
2021-06-09 9:49:14 AM  
Right. I'm thinking several FBI analysts have expensive fetish porn addictions.
 
2021-06-09 9:53:30 AM  
Sounds like the FBI spearfishing is going well. Never ever trust a "secure" "untraceable" app. Might as well get out an 80 year old enigma machine.

/ which....would not be the worst idea ever. As long as you don't end every message with H H....might take a week or two to break
 
2021-06-09 9:54:04 AM  
Is this on top of the fake phones they sold to mobsters that circumvented American law to "take down 21 families"?
 
2021-06-09 9:55:10 AM  

kindms: Did the FBI already have warrants to monitor the people they sold devices to ?


Canadians give the devices/apps to Americans
Americans give it to Australians
Australians to Canadians

There are not laws against monitoring citizens in other countries.
 
2021-06-09 9:55:42 AM  

iheartscotch: Sounds like the FBI spearfishing is going well. Never ever trust a "secure" "untraceable" app. Might as well get out an 80 year old enigma machine.

/ which....would not be the worst idea ever. As long as you don't end every message with H H....might take a week or two to break


I wonder if you could design your own secure and untraceable app. Mobsters need to get high tech.
 
2021-06-09 9:55:45 AM  
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2021-06-09 9:55:50 AM  
Police around the world have made 800 arrests from AN0M-gathered intelligence, including cuffing six US law enforcement officers.

The District Attorneys were furious they didn't get a cut, I see.
 
2021-06-09 9:56:15 AM  

mrshowrules: kindms: Did the FBI already have warrants to monitor the people they sold devices to ?

Canadians give the devices/apps to Americans
Americans give it to Australians
Australians to Canadians

There are not laws against monitoring citizens in other countries.


This is a problem.
 
2021-06-09 9:56:38 AM  
Buys phone to commit crimes.  Is surprised crimes were committed.   farking idiots.
 
2021-06-09 9:56:50 AM  
What a great stock photo, FBI agent wearing his rain coat in the dark office with his gun next to the really old laptop.
 
2021-06-09 9:57:17 AM  

MusicMakeMyHeadPound: Police around the world have made 800 arrests from AN0M-gathered intelligence, including cuffing six US law enforcement officers.

The District Attorneys were furious they didn't get a cut, I see.


Oh, I see we've jumped from 21 mob families to 800 arrests and 6 cops.

I love cop math.
 
2021-06-09 9:57:42 AM  
Note that this is the same thing as two links down.
 
2021-06-09 9:58:35 AM  

Geotpf: Note that this is the same thing as two links down.


In the Politics tab, not the Tech tab where this is crosslinked.
 
2021-06-09 10:01:18 AM  

misanthropicsob: iheartscotch: Sounds like the FBI spearfishing is going well. Never ever trust a "secure" "untraceable" app. Might as well get out an 80 year old enigma machine.

/ which....would not be the worst idea ever. As long as you don't end every message with H H....might take a week or two to break

I wonder if you could design your own secure and untraceable app. Mobsters need to get high tech.


Well, encryption can only get you so far. As defendants in kiddie pr0n cases often find out, encryption don't mean shiat if the person on the other end gets caught somehow and ends up giving up their credentials in return for a lighter sentence.
 
2021-06-09 10:01:19 AM  

misanthropicsob: iheartscotch: Sounds like the FBI spearfishing is going well. Never ever trust a "secure" "untraceable" app. Might as well get out an 80 year old enigma machine.

/ which....would not be the worst idea ever. As long as you don't end every message with H H....might take a week or two to break

I wonder if you could design your own secure and untraceable app. Mobsters need to get high tech.


I remember reading an article about 10 years ago about cartels in Mexico kidnapping cellular network engineers and programers.  The article alleged the cartels were trying to build their own cellphone networks.
 
2021-06-09 10:01:19 AM  

Geotpf: Note that this is the same thing as two links down.


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2021-06-09 10:02:51 AM  

MusicMakeMyHeadPound: Police around the world have made 800 arrests from AN0M-gathered intelligence, including cuffing six US law enforcement officers.

The District Attorneys were furious they didn't get a cut, I see.



FBI is literally the only people who can police the police.   I hope to see a lot more of these corrupt motherfarkers on Garland's radar.
 
2021-06-09 10:03:38 AM  
FBI : work hard to take down shiatty drug dealers.

Also FBI : do nothing against billionaires dodging taxes, laundering money for the GRU, running drug cartels, running right wing militias aka Y'all-Qaeda cells, big pharma ceos promoting legal heroin and running human trafficking sex slaves operations (epstein, trump...and all their clients)...

FFS, Epstein was a FBI informant for more than a decade, he continued to do his pedo for money scheme and none of his clients were ever arrested, weird uh?

The FBI has always been run by white supremacist totalitarian trash, protecting the white rich class while destroying anything that could be a threat to any of that. In other words : fark the FBI, they're part of the problem.
 
2021-06-09 10:03:53 AM  

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Lucky devil.
 
2021-06-09 10:04:34 AM  
Criminals are not actually technically sophisticated. They use off the shelf stuff they think is sneaky and a lot of times it isn't even sneaky.

Silk Road did not invent TOR

ISIS did not invent encrypted email.

Jared Kushner did not invent WhatsApp
 
2021-06-09 10:06:13 AM  

Norquist Vagprobe: misanthropicsob: iheartscotch: Sounds like the FBI spearfishing is going well. Never ever trust a "secure" "untraceable" app. Might as well get out an 80 year old enigma machine.

/ which....would not be the worst idea ever. As long as you don't end every message with H H....might take a week or two to break

I wonder if you could design your own secure and untraceable app. Mobsters need to get high tech.

Well, encryption can only get you so far. As defendants in kiddie pr0n cases often find out, encryption don't mean shiat if the person on the other end gets caught somehow and ends up giving up their credentials in return for a lighter sentence.


That's why people get Beaumonted.

/The only people who would really make me second guess my stance on the surveillance state are kiddie pr0n distributors.
//Even then, I'd prefer due process
///Slopes are slippery when you start making exceptions based on the crime
 
2021-06-09 10:07:13 AM  
Is MySpace still up?

/asking for an, uh, acquaintance.
 
2021-06-09 10:10:20 AM  

misanthropicsob: Norquist Vagprobe: misanthropicsob: iheartscotch: Sounds like the FBI spearfishing is going well. Never ever trust a "secure" "untraceable" app. Might as well get out an 80 year old enigma machine.

/ which....would not be the worst idea ever. As long as you don't end every message with H H....might take a week or two to break

I wonder if you could design your own secure and untraceable app. Mobsters need to get high tech.

Well, encryption can only get you so far. As defendants in kiddie pr0n cases often find out, encryption don't mean shiat if the person on the other end gets caught somehow and ends up giving up their credentials in return for a lighter sentence.

That's why people get Beaumonted.

/The only people who would really make me second guess my stance on the surveillance state are kiddie pr0n distributors.
//Even then, I'd prefer due process
///Slopes are slippery when you start making exceptions based on the crime


Beaumonted?
 
2021-06-09 10:11:51 AM  

Geotpf: Geotpf: Note that this is the same thing as two links down.

In the Politics tab, not the Tech tab where this is crosslinked.



My question is; why are they in that tab at all?

Drug cartels are terrible for sure, but are they so bad that they deserve to be associated with poltab?
 
2021-06-09 10:12:51 AM  

mrshowrules: Holy shiat.  This cold be a movie.  Who I am kidding.  With things like Netflix and Prime it will definitely be a movie.

https://thewalrus.ca/the-rise-and-fall​-of-a-double-agent/


It's already on Netflix

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2021-06-09 10:14:39 AM  

Greymalkin: Geotpf: Geotpf: Note that this is the same thing as two links down.

In the Politics tab, not the Tech tab where this is crosslinked.


My question is; why are they in that tab at all?

Drug cartels are terrible for sure, but are they so bad that they deserve to be associated with poltab?


There is an argument whether or not this sort of thing is legal under US law, which is why they did it in Australia instead.
 
2021-06-09 10:15:15 AM  

Norquist Vagprobe: misanthropicsob: Norquist Vagprobe: misanthropicsob: iheartscotch: Sounds like the FBI spearfishing is going well. Never ever trust a "secure" "untraceable" app. Might as well get out an 80 year old enigma machine.

/ which....would not be the worst idea ever. As long as you don't end every message with H H....might take a week or two to break

I wonder if you could design your own secure and untraceable app. Mobsters need to get high tech.

Well, encryption can only get you so far. As defendants in kiddie pr0n cases often find out, encryption don't mean shiat if the person on the other end gets caught somehow and ends up giving up their credentials in return for a lighter sentence.

That's why people get Beaumonted.

/The only people who would really make me second guess my stance on the surveillance state are kiddie pr0n distributors.
//Even then, I'd prefer due process
///Slopes are slippery when you start making exceptions based on the crime

Beaumonted?


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2021-06-09 10:18:03 AM  

misanthropicsob: mrshowrules: kindms: Did the FBI already have warrants to monitor the people they sold devices to ?

Canadians give the devices/apps to Americans
Americans give it to Australians
Australians to Canadians

There are not laws against monitoring citizens in other countries.

This is a problem.


Not a new one.  See Echelon which has been going on for decades.
 
2021-06-09 10:18:31 AM  

misanthropicsob: iheartscotch: Sounds like the FBI spearfishing is going well. Never ever trust a "secure" "untraceable" app. Might as well get out an 80 year old enigma machine.

/ which....would not be the worst idea ever. As long as you don't end every message with H H....might take a week or two to break

I wonder if you could design your own secure and untraceable app. Mobsters need to get high tech.


I mean....the technology already exists. It's called a One-time pad. The difficult part would be to make a random character generator that really was 100% random.
 
2021-06-09 10:18:39 AM  

SirDigbyChickenCaesar: mrshowrules: Holy shiat.  This cold be a movie.  Who I am kidding.  With things like Netflix and Prime it will definitely be a movie.

https://thewalrus.ca/the-rise-and-fall​-of-a-double-agent/

It's already on Netflix

[Fark user image 850x478]


What's the name of that movie?
 
2021-06-09 10:20:09 AM  

mrshowrules: misanthropicsob: mrshowrules: kindms: Did the FBI already have warrants to monitor the people they sold devices to ?

Canadians give the devices/apps to Americans
Americans give it to Australians
Australians to Canadians

There are not laws against monitoring citizens in other countries.

This is a problem.

Not a new one.  See Echelon which has been going on for decades.


Didn't say it was a new one.

It's been a problem for more than half a century.

Neither party sees it to be a problem.

BSAB.
 
2021-06-09 10:21:55 AM  
Do you love Pina Coladas?
 
2021-06-09 10:23:24 AM  

kindms: Did the FBI already have warrants to monitor the people they sold devices to ?


Do you need a warrant if the TOC includes "By checking here, I give the following governments permission to collect any and all data." We all reflexively hit accept and no one ever reads it all.
 
2021-06-09 10:23:48 AM  

iheartscotch: misanthropicsob: iheartscotch: Sounds like the FBI spearfishing is going well. Never ever trust a "secure" "untraceable" app. Might as well get out an 80 year old enigma machine.

/ which....would not be the worst idea ever. As long as you don't end every message with H H....might take a week or two to break

I wonder if you could design your own secure and untraceable app. Mobsters need to get high tech.

I mean....the technology already exists. It's called a One-time pad. The difficult part would be to make a random character generator that really was 100% random.


Seed the random number generator with a data source like Fark that changes all the time.   Take some type of sum from the fist 10 lines latest content (submitted headlines for instance).  Pretty random in and of itself but you use it to seed any random number generator.
 
2021-06-09 10:26:27 AM  

misanthropicsob: mrshowrules: misanthropicsob: mrshowrules: kindms: Did the FBI already have warrants to monitor the people they sold devices to ?

Canadians give the devices/apps to Americans
Americans give it to Australians
Australians to Canadians

There are not laws against monitoring citizens in other countries.

This is a problem.

Not a new one.  See Echelon which has been going on for decades.

Didn't say it was a new one.

It's been a problem for more than half a century.

Neither party sees it to be a problem.

BSAB.


When when party is trying to dismantle democracy and cops are performing extrajudicial murders and people are afraid of mass shootings, global warming, other issues like Government spying on it citizens seems to fall down the priority list.
 
2021-06-09 10:31:02 AM  

mrshowrules: misanthropicsob: mrshowrules: misanthropicsob: mrshowrules: kindms: Did the FBI already have warrants to monitor the people they sold devices to ?

Canadians give the devices/apps to Americans
Americans give it to Australians
Australians to Canadians

There are not laws against monitoring citizens in other countries.

This is a problem.

Not a new one.  See Echelon which has been going on for decades.

Didn't say it was a new one.

It's been a problem for more than half a century.

Neither party sees it to be a problem.

BSAB.

When when party is trying to dismantle democracy and cops are performing extrajudicial murders and people are afraid of mass shootings, global warming, other issues like Government spying on it citizens seems to fall down the priority list.


I repeat:

It's been a problem for more than half a century.

Besides, it's not like Democrats are doing anything about cops murdering people or mass shootings.
 
2021-06-09 10:33:59 AM  
But... but it's got a 0 in the name!  It's written in 1337speek!  How could that be a traitorous piece of software?!
 
2021-06-09 10:34:41 AM  

Norquist Vagprobe: misanthropicsob: iheartscotch: Sounds like the FBI spearfishing is going well. Never ever trust a "secure" "untraceable" app. Might as well get out an 80 year old enigma machine.

/ which....would not be the worst idea ever. As long as you don't end every message with H H....might take a week or two to break

I wonder if you could design your own secure and untraceable app. Mobsters need to get high tech.

Well, encryption can only get you so far. As defendants in kiddie pr0n cases often find out, encryption don't mean shiat if the person on the other end gets caught somehow and ends up giving up their credentials in return for a lighter sentence.


See also "One time pads are the perfect cryptosystem nobody uses because keying is just as important and keying in OTP is stupidly hard."
 
2021-06-09 10:37:33 AM  

thealgorerhythm: Criminals are not actually technically sophisticated. They use off the shelf stuff they think is sneaky and a lot of times it isn't even sneaky.

Silk Road did not invent TOR

ISIS did not invent encrypted email.

Jared Kushner did not invent WhatsApp


CSB.  About 25 years ago I had a boss that was completely incompetent when it came to computers.  Useless.  We had an office with an early E-mail system.  One day, I see that he is getting these strange E-mails with weird conversational text and ask him about it.

Turns out he installed a "key logger" on his wife's computer at home because he thought she was cheating on him.  The software would batch the data and E-mail it to him when the batches were big enough.  You could see her side of the conversation when she was chatting or E-mailing someone and yes she was f$cking around.

I guess my point is that even a stupid people can be clever about this with the right motivation.  Also, it has gotten much easier.  Ten year old kids are renting botnets for $20 and taking down networks because they are pissed that someone killed their character in Minecraft.
 
2021-06-09 10:42:59 AM  

misanthropicsob: mrshowrules: misanthropicsob: mrshowrules: misanthropicsob: mrshowrules: kindms: Did the FBI already have warrants to monitor the people they sold devices to ?

Canadians give the devices/apps to Americans
Americans give it to Australians
Australians to Canadians

There are not laws against monitoring citizens in other countries.

This is a problem.

Not a new one.  See Echelon which has been going on for decades.

Didn't say it was a new one.

It's been a problem for more than half a century.

Neither party sees it to be a problem.

BSAB.

When when party is trying to dismantle democracy and cops are performing extrajudicial murders and people are afraid of mass shootings, global warming, other issues like Government spying on it citizens seems to fall down the priority list.

I repeat:

It's been a problem for more than half a century.

Besides, it's not like Democrats are doing anything about cops murdering people or mass shootings.


so have the other issues I raised.  If you could get democrats elected in larger numbers, you might actually  be able to try some liberal ideas like universal health care which Canada has had for over 60 years.

Like I said, concern over surveillance is low on the priority list and this is not unique to US because you don't see Canada, Australia or UK taking on the issue either.
 
2021-06-09 10:45:31 AM  

mrshowrules: SirDigbyChickenCaesar: mrshowrules: Holy shiat.  This cold be a movie.  Who I am kidding.  With things like Netflix and Prime it will definitely be a movie.

https://thewalrus.ca/the-rise-and-fall​-of-a-double-agent/

It's already on Netflix

[Fark user image 850x478]

What's the name of that movie?


Jackie Brown.

"Somebody with a grudge blew Beaumont's brains out. Oh shiat, that shiat rhymes! "Blew Beau-mont's, brains out!"
 
2021-06-09 10:46:12 AM  
My bad, wrong movie.
 
2021-06-09 10:46:52 AM  
FTA: As governments spend more time worrying about how to crack encrypted communications, the most effective way for them to combat digital criminals-even in their own ranks-continues to be low tech. Tactics used in effective online investigations aren't all that different from how cops bust drug rings or organized crime groups in real life. It was, after all, a Faraday pouch-a bag lined with aluminum-and the capture of a cyber kingpin that ultimately led to Ortis himself. Good police work, not draconian laws, dismantles criminal enterprises.

Quelle surprise! The laws and techniques to catch criminals already exist. We just have to use them.
 
2021-06-09 10:47:21 AM  

iheartscotch: misanthropicsob: iheartscotch: Sounds like the FBI spearfishing is going well. Never ever trust a "secure" "untraceable" app. Might as well get out an 80 year old enigma machine.

/ which....would not be the worst idea ever. As long as you don't end every message with H H....might take a week or two to break

I wonder if you could design your own secure and untraceable app. Mobsters need to get high tech.

I mean....the technology already exists. It's called a One-time pad. The difficult part would be to make a random character generator that really was 100% random.


Good randomness is a FAR easier problem than OTP key distribution. You want to encrypt 10TB of data? You need to send 10TB of key first, in a way that you can ensure that it is not compromised, and you need to make sure that NOBODY reuses any of that key stream. (see the Venona Project.)

The SINGLE biggest reason that OTP is in limited use, basically only in cases where you can ensure control of the key stream, you don't have much data to encrypt, and compromise of the crypto text is unacceptable, is because of the key stream problem.

As to randomness? Most hardware RNGs use something that is exploding quantum effects, which are truly random. Nuclear decay effect, electronic shot noise, and a neat trick where you reverse bias a (non-Zener) transistor and amplify what comes out of the base, because randomly electrons will tunnel their way through the band gap. You then amplify with a stack of Darlington pairs or whatnot and feed into a Schmidt trigger. Thermal properties work too, but they're at risk from the "it's bleeping cold!" attack - you chill them and they get less random. So, keep your noise resistor warm!

There are other issues - bias issues are a big one. 'It's random, but it's still 90% on and 10% off' and correlation issues. All are well known and solvable. The hardest part is building a FAST hardware RNG, making one that is truly random isn't that hard, but generating bits out of it quickly is, which is why they're typically used as a random seed into an PNRG that is reset at a fairly frequent interval.
 
2021-06-09 10:50:16 AM  

misanthropicsob: iheartscotch: Sounds like the FBI spearfishing is going well. Never ever trust a "secure" "untraceable" app. Might as well get out an 80 year old enigma machine.

/ which....would not be the worst idea ever. As long as you don't end every message with H H....might take a week or two to break

I wonder if you could design your own secure and untraceable app. Mobsters need to get high tech.


You sure could. Or at least try.

The 1st step (as chronicled in the Evil Overlord Rules) is to make a system that's completely incompatible with any known system, including English and other languages. That way sticking a standard USB drive into a data port on the device can trigger an explosion or at least lock the room/device/etc. 2nd step would be to not share this system with anyone ever because if you want true security and privacy you NEVER OPEN YOUR MOUTH. It's useless to use as a communication platform but it is completely secure and private.

Here's an example of a language to start with: the voynich manuscript.

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