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2021-06-09 3:03:03 PM  
They're not interested in doing anything and Joe Manchin says they don't have to.
 
2021-06-09 3:33:38 PM  
The solution is clearly tax cuts for the wealthy and corporations.
 
2021-06-09 3:56:05 PM  
Chaos agents yesterday:

Why is Biden even negotiating with these traitors? He has control over the government. He just doesn't want to do it!

Chaos agents today:

Biden caves again. Farking Democrats!
 
2021-06-09 4:51:59 PM  
Seems to me that he's shopping around for the best infrastructure deal. 

Good on him.
 
2021-06-09 4:52:57 PM  
Republican response:

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2021-06-09 4:53:18 PM  

SplittingAces: Chaos agents yesterday:

Why is Biden even negotiating with these traitors? He has control over the government. He just doesn't want to do it!

Chaos agents today:

Biden caves again. Farking Democrats!


Meh I guess this is an ok troll attempt that will get bites. Good enough job.
 
2021-06-09 4:54:54 PM  

EvilEgg: They're not interested in doing anything and Joe Manchin says they don't have to.


Correct.  This country is toast.
 
2021-06-09 4:56:39 PM  
There was no intention of constructive dialogue. The whole point was to delay and torpedo the bill and then later say in maximum disingenuous fashion "why won't they work with us?"
 
2021-06-09 4:57:16 PM  

Bowen: EvilEgg: They're not interested in doing anything and Joe Manchin says they don't have to.

Correct.  This country is toast.


Complex life is toast then. Let's all strike until we get milli and vanilli back together then!
 
2021-06-09 4:57:33 PM  

Bowen: EvilEgg: They're not interested in doing anything and Joe Manchin says they don't have to.

Correct.  This country is toast.


Butter side up or butter side down?
 
2021-06-09 4:57:47 PM  

SolderGlob: Seems to me that he's shopping around for the best infrastructure deal. 

Good on him.


Seems to me that he is shopping around for the cheapest Senators.

+/-
 
2021-06-09 4:58:23 PM  

berylman: There was no intention of constructive dialogue. The whole point was to delay and torpedo the bill and then later say in maximum disingenuous fashion "why won't they work with us?"


while simultaneously bragging about being disruptive and engaging in bad faith.

Fascist being Fascist you know
 
2021-06-09 4:59:10 PM  
so weird.

a president engaging with senators in discussion.

the government used to do this in that previous timeline, yes?

so weird.
 
2021-06-09 4:59:17 PM  
Republicans have said clearly that any package agreed upon can not be paid for with a corporate tax hike.

They want a gas tax and to use Covid money that's already been apporpriated.  Biden does not.

There will be no deal with the Republicans and I seriously doubt the Democrats can get it done via reconciliation because of the hold outs in their party.
 
2021-06-09 5:00:21 PM  

OhioUGrad: Bowen: EvilEgg: They're not interested in doing anything and Joe Manchin says they don't have to.

Correct.  This country is toast.

Butter side up or butter side down?


butter emails!
 
2021-06-09 5:01:19 PM  
Maybe with all your newfound free time, you can go do something about Sinema and Manchin, Joe?
 
2021-06-09 5:04:10 PM  
Running the clock out and refusing to acknowledge the bully pulpit or even appealing to West Virginia voters shows Biden/Harris have no interest in actually doing anything.

Bowing to the Parliamentarian was just the first clue.
 
2021-06-09 5:04:15 PM  

schecter: so weird.

a president engaging with senators in discussion.

the government used to do this in that previous timeline, yes?

so weird.


There also used to be a chance of getting something out of it. But we seem to just be committed to being "bipartisan", despite one of the parties involved having the exclusive goal of taking absolute power, even if it means the country as a whole suffers.

That's like trying to negotiate with a hostage-taker who's a psychotic serial killer. They're gonna kill the hostage, they just can't get off unless their victim has some sliver of hope left until the very end.
 
2021-06-09 5:05:26 PM  

Rozotorical: SplittingAces: Chaos agents yesterday:

Why is Biden even negotiating with these traitors? He has control over the government. He just doesn't want to do it!

Chaos agents today:

Biden caves again. Farking Democrats!

Meh I guess this is an ok troll attempt that will get bites. Good enough job.


Keep reading and tell me I'm wrong. It's already happened.

/welcome to the pol tab
 
2021-06-09 5:05:45 PM  
"...many lawmakers worried they are not fulfilling their campaign promises to voters who put the party in control of Congress and the White House."

Their voters sent them to DC to get things done -- the GOP sent their guys to ensure that nothing gets done.

Pass what you can, and stop asking for permission from the folks sent to thwart your efforts.
 
2021-06-09 5:06:18 PM  

Soup4Bonnie: Republicans have said clearly that any package agreed upon can not be paid for with a corporate tax hike.

They want a gas tax and to use Covid money that's already been apporpriated.  Biden does not.

There will be no deal with the Republicans and I seriously doubt the Democrats can get it done via reconciliation because of the hold outs in their party.


While the Republicans are borrow and spend in order to cripple the government, they want the Democratic Party to do the same as them and then attack the Democrats for doing the same as they do. Media doesn't call out the Republicans on this, because the corporate owners in charge love pushing the "But how are they going to pay for it?" narrative. Sadly, many Centrist/Conservative Democratic Party supporters also claim the "But how are they going to pay for it?" narrative when it comes to putting down Progressive ideas (which were already passed by governments in Europe, some just after World War 2 ended) for government programs for the poor and destitute.
 
2021-06-09 5:08:10 PM  

LordJiro: schecter: so weird.

a president engaging with senators in discussion.

the government used to do this in that previous timeline, yes?

so weird.

There also used to be a chance of getting something out of it. But we seem to just be committed to being "bipartisan", despite one of the parties involved having the exclusive goal of taking absolute power, even if it means the country as a whole suffers.

That's like trying to negotiate with a hostage-taker who's a psychotic serial killer. They're gonna kill the hostage, they just can't get off unless their victim has some sliver of hope left until the very end.


Daily Show showed this exact fact in one of their reports:

https://www.cc.com/video/fghvkm/the-d​a​ily-show-with-jon-stewart-republican-h​ostage-negotiation
 
2021-06-09 5:08:42 PM  
BUILD BACK B...mmmmm.. maybe later
 
2021-06-09 5:09:54 PM  

DarkSoulNoHope: Soup4Bonnie: Republicans have said clearly that any package agreed upon can not be paid for with a corporate tax hike.

They want a gas tax and to use Covid money that's already been apporpriated.  Biden does not.

There will be no deal with the Republicans and I seriously doubt the Democrats can get it done via reconciliation because of the hold outs in their party.

While the Republicans are borrow and spend in order to cripple the government, they want the Democratic Party to do the same as them and then attack the Democrats for doing the same as they do. Media doesn't call out the Republicans on this, because the corporate owners in charge love pushing the "But how are they going to pay for it?" narrative. Sadly, many Centrist/Conservative Democratic Party supporters also claim the "But how are they going to pay for it?" narrative when it comes to putting down Progressive ideas (which were already passed by governments in Europe, some just after World War 2 ended) for government programs for the poor and destitute.


Joe Biden on Medicare for All and taxes
Youtube 6Sk7lQCBius
 
2021-06-09 5:13:28 PM  

SplittingAces: Chaos agents yesterday:

Why is Biden even negotiating with these traitors? He has control over the government. He just doesn't want to do it!

Chaos agents today:

Biden caves again. Farking Democrats!


Who can argue with such a dizzying intellect.
 
2021-06-09 5:14:31 PM  

RasIanI: "...many lawmakers worried they are not fulfilling their campaign promises to voters who put the party in control of Congress and the White House."

Their voters sent them to DC to get things done -- the GOP sent their guys to ensure that nothing gets done.

Pass what you can, and stop asking for permission from the folks sent to thwart your efforts.


And at least two of "their guys" ran as Democrats, to block shiat while giving the illusion of a majority so the Democratic party as a whole is blamed for inaction.

/We already know Manchin's a Koch-sucker, and I wouldn't be surprised in the slightest if Sinema had a bunch of Koch money in her pockets either.
 
2021-06-09 5:19:35 PM  
I think his cutting off discussions with Capito and going to the G7 is part of his negotiations. Let them stew while he demonstrates to the world how an actual US president comports himself. Get them through one or two iterations of worrying, then come back and slap his dick down on the table. Metaphorically speaking.
 
2021-06-09 5:22:15 PM  
started reaching out to senators from both parties in a new effort toward bipartisan compromise

Name three Republican Senators who can be counted on to keep their word and vote for it if they get what they want. I'd like to say "within reason" but it's actually irrelevant.
 
2021-06-09 5:26:47 PM  

Night Train to Wakanda: SplittingAces: Chaos agents yesterday:

Why is Biden even negotiating with these traitors? He has control over the government. He just doesn't want to do it!

Chaos agents today:

Biden caves again. Farking Democrats!

Who can argue with such a dizzying intellect.


Just a few posts below mine:

"Running the clock out and refusing to acknowledge the bully pulpit or even appealing to West Virginia voters shows Biden/Harris have no interest in actually doing anything."

Dizzying indeed. I may have gotten my days mixed up.
 
2021-06-09 5:36:47 PM  

SplittingAces: Night Train to Wakanda: SplittingAces: Chaos agents yesterday:

Why is Biden even negotiating with these traitors? He has control over the government. He just doesn't want to do it!

Chaos agents today:

Biden caves again. Farking Democrats!

Who can argue with such a dizzying intellect.

Just a few posts below mine:

"Running the clock out and refusing to acknowledge the bully pulpit or even appealing to West Virginia voters shows Biden/Harris have no interest in actually doing anything."

Dizzying indeed. I may have gotten my days mixed up.


Bashir to Dax - Go Away
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2021-06-09 5:42:52 PM  

sinner4ever: Running the clock out and refusing to acknowledge the bully pulpit or even appealing to West Virginia voters shows Biden/Harris have no interest in actually doing anything.

Bowing to the Parliamentarian was just the first clue.


I'm confused, you want Biden to appeal to the voters that voted for Manchin?
 
2021-06-09 5:43:02 PM  
I don't care what side of the aisle you're on.  just waiting for someone else to do something is not how you lead.
 
2021-06-09 5:48:09 PM  

palelizard: started reaching out to senators from both parties in a new effort toward bipartisan compromise

Name three Republican Senators who can be counted on to keep their word and vote for it if they get what they want. I'd like to say "within reason" but it's actually irrelevant.


I have no ego attached to this statement; tear it apart if you want, because I'm hitting a brick wall regarding Manchin and Synema:

Perhaps Mittens could be flipped. Like flipped to the Democratic Party. He did, after all, pass Obamacare v0.9 beta in Massachusetts.

Also, perhaps Angus can be focused, and perhaps he could work on the ever-concerned Murkowsky & Collins on a per-bill basis. Basically, go all out "As the last chapters in your careers, howzabout you freaking save American democracy" on them.

// Note that I'm idealistic, but I am also just trying to figure out how to allocate political donations for the campaigns spinning up in the next few months.
 
2021-06-09 5:49:40 PM  

Mrtraveler01: sinner4ever: Running the clock out and refusing to acknowledge the bully pulpit or even appealing to West Virginia voters shows Biden/Harris have no interest in actually doing anything.

Bowing to the Parliamentarian was just the first clue.

I'm confused, you want Biden to appeal to the voters that voted for Manchin?


Manchin flipped out when Harris went to the media in West Virginia about the Covid Relief Bill.
He showed that he is afraid of the voters. Not only that, Republican marketers showed that West Virginia wants SB1.He is acting outside what voters want just like with the $15 minimum wage.

A hurt dog hollers. He knows he was vulnerable with the Harris media attempts and so does the Biden administration.
 
2021-06-09 5:54:19 PM  

mofa: I think his cutting off discussions with Capito and going to the G7 is part of his negotiations. Let them stew while he demonstrates to the world how an actual US president comports himself. Get them through one or two iterations of worrying, then come back and slap his dick down on the table. Metaphorically speaking.


Why do you think American conservatives will care even a little bit about his presidential demeanor? I mean, foreign diplomacy is grand and all, but why pretend that it will have the faintest effect on domestic politics?
 
2021-06-09 6:20:11 PM  

mofa: I think his cutting off discussions with Capito and going to the G7 is part of his negotiations. Let them stew while he demonstrates to the world how an actual US president comports himself. Get them through one or two iterations of worrying, then come back and slap his dick down on the table. Metaphorically speaking.


If he was LBJ, he'd do exactly that.

LBJ was a bit nuts, I think.  But he did get sh*t done.
 
2021-06-09 6:47:07 PM  

mofa: palelizard: started reaching out to senators from both parties in a new effort toward bipartisan compromise

Name three Republican Senators who can be counted on to keep their word and vote for it if they get what they want. I'd like to say "within reason" but it's actually irrelevant.

I have no ego attached to this statement; tear it apart if you want, because I'm hitting a brick wall regarding Manchin and Synema:

Perhaps Mittens could be flipped. Like flipped to the Democratic Party. He did, after all, pass Obamacare v0.9 beta in Massachusetts.

Also, perhaps Angus can be focused, and perhaps he could work on the ever-concerned Murkowsky & Collins on a per-bill basis. Basically, go all out "As the last chapters in your careers, howzabout you freaking save American democracy" on them.

// Note that I'm idealistic, but I am also just trying to figure out how to allocate political donations for the campaigns spinning up in the next few months.


My only maaybe and this is a caveated, over optimistic, potential hail mary maybe  is Murkowski on a couple of bills. Her career is mature, she is safe-ish, she maybe peeved with McConnell and on something like the voting act bill .....perhaps yes, she could be persuaded?

I don't know. She is a republican but she is not a total Collins. But this may just be me desperately wishing there are a handful of those that are not morally bankrupt.

Romney...eh...I don't know. Again, as long as it does not hurt rich people in any way. Perhaps. If it hurts Trump, perhaps. But not someone who can be relied on.

Collins. Pfft. I would never be desperate enough to trust her for anything.

On
 
2021-06-09 6:52:33 PM  

mofa: palelizard: started reaching out to senators from both parties in a new effort toward bipartisan compromise

Name three Republican Senators who can be counted on to keep their word and vote for it if they get what they want. I'd like to say "within reason" but it's actually irrelevant.

I have no ego attached to this statement; tear it apart if you want, because I'm hitting a brick wall regarding Manchin and Synema:

Perhaps Mittens could be flipped. Like flipped to the Democratic Party. He did, after all, pass Obamacare v0.9 beta in Massachusetts.

Also, perhaps Angus can be focused, and perhaps he could work on the ever-concerned Murkowsky & Collins on a per-bill basis. Basically, go all out "As the last chapters in your careers, howzabout you freaking save American democracy" on them.

// Note that I'm idealistic, but I am also just trying to figure out how to allocate political donations for the campaigns spinning up in the next few months.


I just don't see any of them as reliable. Maybe they've not pulled the football away as often as the party as a whole, but they don't break ranks often, particularly when they're the deciding vote. That'd have to be a pretty sweetened pot to get all three on board at the same time. It'd pretty much need to be "and in addition to all that stuff, residents of Alaska, Maine, and Utah will be exempt from federal taxes until 2024 and this bill is renamed the Romney, Murkowsky, and Collins tax cut."
 
2021-06-09 7:01:36 PM  
Typical lib

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2021-06-09 7:08:59 PM  

AurizenDarkstar: mofa: I think his cutting off discussions with Capito and going to the G7 is part of his negotiations. Let them stew while he demonstrates to the world how an actual US president comports himself. Get them through one or two iterations of worrying, then come back and slap his dick down on the table. Metaphorically speaking.

If he was LBJ, he'd do exactly that.

LBJ was a bit nuts, I think.  But he did get sh*t done.


If he were LBJ he's just unzip his pants, slap that legendary penis on the table and say, "let's negotiate."
 
2021-06-09 7:27:36 PM  

palelizard: mofa: palelizard: started reaching out to senators from both parties in a new effort toward bipartisan compromise

Name three Republican Senators who can be counted on to keep their word and vote for it if they get what they want. I'd like to say "within reason" but it's actually irrelevant.

I have no ego attached to this statement; tear it apart if you want, because I'm hitting a brick wall regarding Manchin and Synema:

Perhaps Mittens could be flipped. Like flipped to the Democratic Party. He did, after all, pass Obamacare v0.9 beta in Massachusetts.

Also, perhaps Angus can be focused, and perhaps he could work on the ever-concerned Murkowsky & Collins on a per-bill basis. Basically, go all out "As the last chapters in your careers, howzabout you freaking save American democracy" on them.

// Note that I'm idealistic, but I am also just trying to figure out how to allocate political donations for the campaigns spinning up in the next few months.

I just don't see any of them as reliable. Maybe they've not pulled the football away as often as the party as a whole, but they don't break ranks often, particularly when they're the deciding vote. That'd have to be a pretty sweetened pot to get all three on board at the same time. It'd pretty much need to be "and in addition to all that stuff, residents of Alaska, Maine, and Utah will be exempt from federal taxes until 2024 and this bill is renamed the Romney, Murkowsky, and Collins tax cut."


I agree. But I also threw thousands at Warnock, Ossoff, and Stacey Abrams's PAC in a Georgia Hail Mary, thinking that maybe Warnock might get by. Then, during election week, I thought that both races couldn't possibly go to runoffs, but they did, and then they both won.

Hard to remember those twin miracles with the insurrection fouling up the country, but they happened. I kinda have to believe that the good guys can win again, but I admit I'm not coming up with anything very convincing. As a default, I'm donating to Stacey Abrams's PAC. That's always money well spent.

// High schools and colleges need to be named in her honor.
 
2021-06-09 8:29:10 PM  

Rozotorical: Bowen: EvilEgg: They're not interested in doing anything and Joe Manchin says they don't have to.

Correct.  This country is toast.

Complex life is toast then. Let's all strike until we get milli and vanilli back together then!


Didn't one of the two commit suicide?
 
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