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(Abc.net.au)   Australian police to drug trafficker: We have posted your name and photo in all media outlets announcing how you helped us arrest your associates, turn yourself in or take your chances with them   (abc.net.au) divider line
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2579 clicks; posted to Main » on 09 Jun 2021 at 8:31 AM (6 days ago)   |   Favorite    |   share:  Share on Twitter share via Email Share on Facebook



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6 days ago  
I have a feeling he may already be dead...
 
6 days ago  
Guess they're not planning on using that plan again.
 
6 days ago  
Doesn't matter. If the cops catch him, and put him in prison. He'll die there by his "associates".

catch 22.
 
6 days ago  
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6 days ago  

a flying monkey made me do it: Guess they're not planning on using that plan again.


Next time they'll just handcuff them to a burning car and leave them a hacksaw.
 
6 days ago  
That's a bad day.

/oh well
 
6 days ago  
This is not how you encourage criminals to become informers.  I don't think they have thought their cunning plan through.
 
6 days ago  

The Fireman: This is not how you encourage criminals to become informers.  I don't think they have thought their cunning plan through.


A licky boom boom down!
 
6 days ago  

The Fireman: This is not how you encourage criminals to become informers.  I don't think they have thought their cunning plan through.


They are not asking him to become a informer.  they say we used you to arrest some of the biggest criminals in the world you have 2 chose.

1.  turn yourself in and face your time.  and we keep you safe.

2.  take your chances that you can convince your criminals "friends" that you had no idea what was going on and was just a unwilling pawn and hope they don't decide to kill you and your family anyways,
 
6 days ago  
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approves of this sort of operation.
 
6 days ago  
Headline is a bit deceptive. He __unwittingly__ cooperated with police. He wasn't an informant, he was a dupe.
 
6 days ago  
I'm thinking a lot of business just got created for this guy to take over. Not like people will be doing less drugs.AFP officers got guns off 50% of the people they arrested. How's that gun ban working? It's almost as if criminals who can import tons of drugs don't listen.
 
6 days ago  

justanotherfarkinfarker: I'm thinking a lot of business just got created for this guy to take over. Not like people will be doing less drugs.AFP officers got guns off 50% of the people they arrested. How's that gun ban working? It's almost as if criminals who can import tons of drugs don't listen.


I'm sure I word salad you were attempting to make a point.
 
6 days ago  

jumac: The Fireman: This is not how you encourage criminals to become informers.  I don't think they have thought their cunning plan through.

They are not asking him to become a informer.  they say we used you to arrest some of the biggest criminals in the world you have 2 chose.

1.  turn yourself in and face your time.  and we keep you safe.

2.  take your chances that you can convince your criminals "friends" that you had no idea what was going on and was just a unwilling pawn and hope they don't decide to kill you and your family anyways,


What are future potential informers supposed to think?

"Oh I can totally trust these guys to keep me safe."
 
6 days ago  

cannibalparrot: jumac: The Fireman: This is not how you encourage criminals to become informers.  I don't think they have thought their cunning plan through.

They are not asking him to become a informer.  they say we used you to arrest some of the biggest criminals in the world you have 2 chose.

1.  turn yourself in and face your time.  and we keep you safe.

2.  take your chances that you can convince your criminals "friends" that you had no idea what was going on and was just a unwilling pawn and hope they don't decide to kill you and your family anyways,

What are future potential informers supposed to think?

"Oh I can totally trust these guys to keep me safe."


The issue is they didn't ask the guy to be a informer.  they used him without his knowing.

If he had been asked it be a different story.
 
6 days ago  
About the only way out of this situation is to call Robert Forester in New Mexico, and get yourself a new identity.

Short of that, you are D-E-A-D, killed.
 
6 days ago  

jumac: cannibalparrot: jumac: The Fireman: This is not how you encourage criminals to become informers.  I don't think they have thought their cunning plan through.

They are not asking him to become a informer.  they say we used you to arrest some of the biggest criminals in the world you have 2 chose.

1.  turn yourself in and face your time.  and we keep you safe.

2.  take your chances that you can convince your criminals "friends" that you had no idea what was going on and was just a unwilling pawn and hope they don't decide to kill you and your family anyways,

What are future potential informers supposed to think?

"Oh I can totally trust these guys to keep me safe."

The issue is they didn't ask the guy to be a informer.  they used him without his knowing.

If he had been asked it be a different story.


That's a nuance that's not going to matter to other potential informants.  All they're going to see is that the authorities get their assets killed.
 
6 days ago  

puffy999: I have a feeling he may already be dead...


Well if you can call running a run down hotel in turkey living....
Let's just call it a wash
 
6 days ago  

steklo: Doesn't matter. If the cops catch him, and put him in prison. He'll die there by his "associates".

catch 22.


Yeah, they're basically telling him the game is up and that he needs to leave the country as soon as possible.
 
6 days ago  

cannibalparrot: jumac: cannibalparrot: jumac: The Fireman: This is not how you encourage criminals to become informers.  I don't think they have thought their cunning plan through.

They are not asking him to become a informer.  they say we used you to arrest some of the biggest criminals in the world you have 2 chose.

1.  turn yourself in and face your time.  and we keep you safe.

2.  take your chances that you can convince your criminals "friends" that you had no idea what was going on and was just a unwilling pawn and hope they don't decide to kill you and your family anyways,

What are future potential informers supposed to think?

"Oh I can totally trust these guys to keep me safe."

The issue is they didn't ask the guy to be a informer.  they used him without his knowing.

If he had been asked it be a different story.

That's a nuance that's not going to matter to other potential informants.  All they're going to see is that the authorities get their assets killed.



But he isn't an asset and never was in any meaningful sense of the word.

An actual informant would be offered protection, or immunity, this guy isn't getting any and was never offered it because he was just the same as a dumbarse criminal who videotaped all his crimes with friends and put them on youtube.

The operation is over and they haven't been able to arrest him along with the other crims they caught because he's hiding in Turkey or somewhere else without easy access, so it's basically an unofficial execution.

Australian cops have done similar things before like with the Bali Nine who they let get arrested in Indonesia for drug smuggling where its a death sentence, as opposed to arriving in Australia where they would have been given a comparative slap on the wrist.

The cops don't really care if he turns himself in, 3 years of phone conversations means he probably has already spilled all his secrets, so it is just making sure the problem is taken care of permanently.
 
6 days ago  
You don't want Ray Shoesmith looking for you.
Even after his anger management classes.
 
6 days ago  
I'd like just 1-10th of the Coke or Cash.....please  & thank you very much..!!!!
 
6 days ago  
i mean, been seeing it for a good while now.

If criminals can scope their operations to efforts that can be coordinated and executed, 100% off line in person or through means like letters.
In this day and age they would likely become about as invisible as any criminal ever could be, if they could avoid use of digital tools for planning and communications related to their criminal activities.

With the world so starkly divided between online or offline, and online gaining market share all the time.
Policing is subject to the same influences and will also pour more of their efforts and resources into the bigger slice of the pie, digital/online stuff.
once a small enough amount of resource effort goes into offline criminal efforts, being the offline criminals is  going to be a whole lot safer, if you can put in the extra overhead effort for offline communication, coordination, and execution of criminal activities.
 
6 days ago  

puffy999: The Fireman: This is not how you encourage criminals to become informers.  I don't think they have thought their cunning plan through.

A licky boom boom down!


I hate you now. I fear I may have to drill out my brain with a ditch auger to get rid of the noise.

May your darkest fears grasp ahold of your soul in the night.
May the fleas of 1000 camels infest your armpits.
A pox on your entire house!

Farking its just the chorus too. that's the worst part.
 
6 days ago  
Oops my bad.
 
6 days ago  
wait i thought we defended police!
 
6 days ago  
If we treated drugs as a health problem, we wouldn't have these people doing this. Take the profit out.

Legalize and regulate soft drugs. Undercut the market, disrupt the supply and production chains.

Decriminalize hard drugs and made them available, free or heavily subsidised, in safe use facilities, in exchange for counseling, treatment and harm minimization practices,

these people wouldn't be in business in the first place.

Anyone using drugs outside the system - mandatory detentive rehabilitationand education. No criminal record. Just stop finding these people.

Anyone selling drugs outside the system - congratulations, you just earned yourself a new job in a conscript prisoner battalion.

People will use drugs.
 
6 days ago  
If he was a dupe, now he can be considered a security liability.  I don't imagine people in his line of work who are security liabilities are just "fired".  More likely fired upon repeatedly.

I don't think they would use the operation again because they'd have to guarantee everyone was the same level of unaware as this time in order that their targets not recognize the tactics and strategy as outlined in the article and move to counter the operation.
 
6 days ago  

The Fireman: This is not how you encourage criminals to become informers.  I don't think they have thought their cunning plan through.


Australia is run by conservatives. Look at all the Western nations that have a lot of conservative leadership. None of them think their cunning plans through. Brexit, is a perfect example.

Australia is a shiathole of hate and intolerance the same as the US is right now. They have nearly as much land as the US and yet don't allow any real immigration (especially from brown people coming from North of them) just like the US conservatives hate the brown people immigrating up from the south of the US.

They don't have a plan other than hurting people who aren't exactly like them. The rest of their strategy is just run by their gut feeling. However they react to something is how they align their values regardless of the science on the subject and all the years of data, their gut feeling is more important.

So they didn't have a plan. They just wanted to be authoritarian arseholes so they outed a guy who is already likely dead to try and force him to comply with their demands. It's all conservatives can do is threaten people with violence if they don't comply. That is as far as thinking about strategy goes for them.

"If you don't immediately and without question do what I want you to do I'll make sure bad things happen to you." Welcome to conservative politics 101.
 
5 days ago  
It seems that the whole idea for this sting was conceived "over a few beers."

IS there ANYTHING beer can't do???

https://www.rnz.co.nz/news/national/4​4​4358/an0m-how-an-app-to-decrypt-crimin​al-messages-was-born-over-a-few-beers-​with-fbi
 
5 days ago  

Greymalkin: Australian cops have done similar things before like with the Bali Nine who they let get arrested in Indonesia for drug smuggling where its a death sentence, as opposed to arriving in Australia where they would have been given a comparative slap on the wrist.


A few decades ago the Triad was bringing drugs into Mafia areas of Melbourne.  One night there were a bunch of accidents and dead Triad members.  There is an area in Melbourne called Lygon Street and it is lined with Italian restaurants each with food styles from different parts of Italy.  I expect it is sort of like the UN of the Mafia where deals between groups fighting back home can be worked out.  There is the occasional shooting but the stories that come out years latter tend to indicate family struggles where someone wasn't doing what they were told.
 
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