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2021-06-08 11:42:38 PM  
Are they buying it from that same guy who just sold the statue?
 
2021-06-09 12:16:41 AM  
"RUSSIA has nearly finished building their first stealth warship."

Pffft. Let me know when they finish building their first stealth tug.
 
2021-06-09 1:33:13 AM  
Does it send out a cloud of coal smoke to confuse sensors?
 
2021-06-09 3:01:42 AM  
So stealthy that the article couldn't show a picture of it?
 
2021-06-09 3:48:08 AM  
If I had a dollar for every time Russian announced it would build something, I'd have enough money to actually build all the things Russia has neither the money nor the skill to accomplish
 
2021-06-09 3:49:41 AM  
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2021-06-09 3:55:10 AM  
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Russian soldiers have had cloaking technology for centuries. It's cold.
 
2021-06-09 3:59:56 AM  

Handsome B. Wonderful: If I had a dollar for every time Russian announced it would build something, I'd have enough money to actually build all the things Russia has neither the money nor the skill to accomplish


There's a reason they dubbed it  "Project 20386": that's when they expect it to be compete.
 
2021-06-09 4:03:04 AM  

maddog2030: So stealthy that the article couldn't show a picture of it?


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2021-06-09 4:07:19 AM  

Hubris Boy: "RUSSIA has nearly finished building their first stealth warship."

Pffft. Let me know when they finish building their first stealth tug.


Came here to say exactly this.


Russia's surface fleet is a joke and has been since 1904.
They do have a passable doomsday subsurface "fleet" and of course the Status 6 threat.

What they don't have is depth of numbers.
Oh no a stealth ship???? Call me when they have a dozen. Same for carriers & subs.

The status 6 and their SSBNs however are assets that you don't need a mountain of to be effective.  I think they have two Status 6 AUVs now.

The biggest threat Russia poses is disinformation.  Their military hardware is more or less laughable.  I don't care if you can make one or two things. We win wars by making 1000 of those things for every 200 anyone else could make.
 
2021-06-09 4:10:21 AM  
omg bbq:

We win wars now? Someone should've told Afghanistan, Iraq, Viet Nam, Korea...
 
2021-06-09 4:13:43 AM  

leeksfromchichis: omg bbq:

We win wars now? Someone should've told Afghanistan, Iraq, Viet Nam, Korea...


Don't be the person you're really trying to be right now.
 
2021-06-09 4:23:15 AM  

Hubris Boy: "RUSSIA has nearly finished building their first stealth warship."

Pffft. Let me know when they finish building their first stealth tug.


It hasn't caught fire yet?
 
2021-06-09 4:26:20 AM  

omg bbq: leeksfromchichis: omg bbq:

We win wars now? Someone should've told Afghanistan, Iraq, Viet Nam, Korea...

Don't be the person you're really trying to be right now.


Don't spend $705,390,000,001.75 a year on shooty bang bang when there's children without healthcare and food at home.
 
2021-06-09 4:45:34 AM  
Who do they think they are? World of Warships?

That's the only place where Russia has a functional navy.
 
2021-06-09 4:45:42 AM  
It would be more impressive if their sole carrier didn't have a habit of spontaneously sinking. Although, they could claim that it's also stealthy sitting on the harbor floor.
 
2021-06-09 4:47:10 AM  
What exactly is "excessive" weaponry? A planet destroying laser?
 
2021-06-09 4:49:04 AM  

bisi: What exactly is "excessive" weaponry? A planet destroying laser?


Hactar's Bomb is a bit over-the-top. It's a very, very small bomb, though.
 
2021-06-09 4:58:52 AM  

leeksfromchichis: omg bbq: leeksfromchichis: omg bbq:

We win wars now? Someone should've told Afghanistan, Iraq, Viet Nam, Korea...

Don't be the person you're really trying to be right now.

Don't spend $705,390,000,001.75 a year on shooty bang bang when there's children without healthcare and food at home.


What are you really trying to say here?

It's a safe place, you can even use more baby words if it helps.
 
2021-06-09 5:07:28 AM  
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2021-06-09 5:09:36 AM  
As I'm Canadian, having read the story and noticing all the other Putin headlines linked in the article, I feel a need to ask any Brit Farkers "Does the Express exist purely to distribute Kremlin propaganda?"
 
2021-06-09 5:14:32 AM  

leeksfromchichis: omg bbq: leeksfromchichis: omg bbq:

We win wars now? Someone should've told Afghanistan, Iraq, Viet Nam, Korea...

Don't be the person you're really trying to be right now.

Don't spend $705,390,000,001.75 a year on shooty bang bang when there's children without healthcare and food at home.


Having one doesn't preclude the other. Why do you think we can't do both?
 
2021-06-09 5:17:30 AM  

Rob3Fan: As I'm Canadian, having read the story and noticing all the other Putin headlines linked in the article, I feel a need to ask any Brit Farkers "Does the Express exist purely to distribute Kremlin propaganda?"


Speaking also as a Canadian, but I've sort of been following the Express's headlines on Fark for some time now. I feel able to reassure you that no, the Express doesn't exist purely to distribute Kremlin propaganda. They'll distribute propaganda from other sources, too. On slower "news" days, they'll even make shiat up on their own initiative.
 
2021-06-09 5:28:34 AM  
If those pictures are their "stealth ship" then it's not very stealthy. It might have a lower profile than a conventional ship but it's not stealthy thanks to all the surfaces and clutter that would give a strong radar response. That is why US ships look like low-poly pyramids that to bounce radar signals off at all angles and diminish the return.


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2021-06-09 5:31:30 AM  

sithon: Does it send out a cloud of coal smoke to confuse sensors?


...Another American spy, I see...
 
2021-06-09 5:34:38 AM  

drxym: If those pictures are their "stealth ship" then it's not very stealthy. It might have a lower profile than a conventional ship but it's not stealthy thanks to all the surfaces and clutter that would give a strong radar response. That is why US ships look like low-poly pyramids that to bounce radar signals off at all angles and diminish the return.


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Just the hull has been laid so far.
Here is another Russian ship with some "stealth" features:

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2021-06-09 5:51:31 AM  

johnny_vegas: leeksfromchichis: omg bbq: leeksfromchichis: omg bbq:

We win wars now? Someone should've told Afghanistan, Iraq, Viet Nam, Korea...

Don't be the person you're really trying to be right now.

Don't spend $705,390,000,001.75 a year on shooty bang bang when there's children without healthcare and food at home.

Having one doesn't preclude the other. Why do you think we can't do both?


Because demonstrably we can't. America's military can and will outspend any other military in history. It's true. But we haven't actually won a war since that's become policy.
 
2021-06-09 6:02:07 AM  

leeksfromchichis: johnny_vegas: leeksfromchichis: omg bbq: leeksfromchichis: omg bbq:

We win wars now? Someone should've told Afghanistan, Iraq, Viet Nam, Korea...

Don't be the person you're really trying to be right now.

Don't spend $705,390,000,001.75 a year on shooty bang bang when there's children without healthcare and food at home.

Having one doesn't preclude the other. Why do you think we can't do both?

Because demonstrably we can't. America's military can and will outspend any other military in history. It's true. But we haven't actually won a war since that's become policy.


Can't and won't are not the same thing. Why do you think the money would be applied to what you want if the defense budget was zeroed?
 
2021-06-09 6:05:34 AM  

omg bbq: the Status 6 threat.


so I had to google that one.  Interesting.  Is this the same thing that included a cobalt bomb? something that would salt the earth as well?

In researching the status-6, ran across an article discussing counter-measures

"...whether Poseidons {status-6} could be killed by long-range hypersonic glide vehicles launched by U.S. Navy submarines. "The payload could be next-generation lightweight torpedo or nuclear depth charge similar to the retired Subroc [rocket-launched anti-submarine torpedo] weapon," he writes."

Nuclear Depth Charges?

Of course we built some of those.  We even tried tanks that fire nuclear ordinance.
 
2021-06-09 6:06:51 AM  

maddog2030: So stealthy that the article couldn't show a picture of it?


Here's your picture of it.

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2021-06-09 6:08:54 AM  

johnny_vegas: Because demonstrably we can't. America's military can and will outspend any other military in history. It's true. But we haven't actually won a war since that's become policy.


Can't and won't are not the same thing. Why do you think the money would be applied to what you want if the defense budget was zeroed?


I recall some article or interview with some soviets about the spending in the cold war.  Had the US just put all the money in a pile in Times Square and burnt it, that alone would have deterred the USSR.  They were shocked how much we were willing to spend on it and it scared them.

In the arms race, the US basically caused the USSR to go into bankruptcy to keep up.

Not sure why we are still spending so much though...
 
2021-06-09 6:11:38 AM  

Purple_Urkle: maddog2030: So stealthy that the article couldn't show a picture of it?

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Oh look, it has adidas underwear
 
2021-06-09 6:11:46 AM  

johnny_vegas: leeksfromchichis: johnny_vegas: leeksfromchichis: omg bbq: leeksfromchichis: omg bbq:

We win wars now? Someone should've told Afghanistan, Iraq, Viet Nam, Korea...

Don't be the person you're really trying to be right now.

Don't spend $705,390,000,001.75 a year on shooty bang bang when there's children without healthcare and food at home.

Having one doesn't preclude the other. Why do you think we can't do both?

Because demonstrably we can't. America's military can and will outspend any other military in history. It's true. But we haven't actually won a war since that's become policy.

Can't and won't are not the same thing. Why do you think the money would be applied to what you want if the defense budget was zeroed?


That's not what I'm saying.

We DO have a strategy of 1000 to 200 because of insane overspending and I don't know if we'v lost a firefight since. Probably not.

But we've lost every war since ww2.  Pyrrhic victories aren't victories. Even with this ship Russia has a navy we could sink in ten minutes. Sucks to be them. But don't brag about a long term losing strategy.
 
2021-06-09 6:15:14 AM  

Hyjamon: Not sure why we are still spending so much though...


Probably because defense contractors like to buy a new car every year, retired military like to double dip with defense contractors, and congressmen like the jobs the defense contractors provide in their districts.
 
2021-06-09 6:32:12 AM  

leeksfromchichis: That's not what I'm saying.

We DO have a strategy of 1000 to 200 because of insane overspending and I don't know if we'v lost a firefight since. Probably not.

But we've lost every war since ww2.  Pyrrhic victories aren't victories. Even with this ship Russia has a navy we could sink in ten minutes. Sucks to be them. But don't brag about a long term losing strategy.


Force structure is dependent on a lot of things most of which start with the President's National Security and National Defense Strategies and also the myriad mutual defense agreements we have.  If you want real reduction in the military start there and then let force structure meet those requirements, otherwise the military members will get less equipment, time, and personnel to do the same tasks.
Agreed there have been wars/conflicts we should have avoided or approached differently
 
2021-06-09 6:51:03 AM  
Helpful picture of a Merkuriy class corvette, AKA Project 20386:


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2021-06-09 6:55:06 AM  

Hyjamon: johnny_vegas: Because demonstrably we can't. America's military can and will outspend any other military in history. It's true. But we haven't actually won a war since that's become policy.


Can't and won't are not the same thing. Why do you think the money would be applied to what you want if the defense budget was zeroed?

I recall some article or interview with some soviets about the spending in the cold war.  Had the US just put all the money in a pile in Times Square and burnt it, that alone would have deterred the USSR.  They were shocked how much we were willing to spend on it and it scared them.

In the arms race, the US basically caused the USSR to go into bankruptcy to keep up.

Not sure why we are still spending so much though...


The defense industry got rich and people enjoy getting and staying rich.
 
2021-06-09 6:58:38 AM  
"Every gun that is made, every warship launched, every rocket fired signifies, in the final sense, a theft from those who hunger and are not fed, those who are cold and are not clothed. This world in arms is not spending money alone. It is spending the sweat of its laborers, the genius of its scientists, the hopes of its children. The cost of one modern heavy bomber is this: a modern brick school in more than 30 cities. It is two electric power plants, each serving a town of 60,000 population. It is two fine, fully equipped hospitals. It is some fifty miles of concrete pavement. We pay for a single fighter plane with a half million bushels of wheat. We pay for a single destroyer with new homes that could have housed more than 8,000 people. This is, I repeat, the best way of life to be found on the road the world has been taking. This is not a way of life at all, in any true sense. Under the cloud of threatening war, it is humanity hanging from a cross of iron. [...] Is there no other way the world may live?"
Dwight Eisenhower
 
2021-06-09 7:01:10 AM  

AtlanticCoast63: Helpful picture of a Merkuriy class corvette, AKA Project 20386:


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It kinda looks like an LCS

/good luck with that
 
2021-06-09 7:06:31 AM  

AtlanticCoast63: Helpful picture of a Merkuriy class corvette, AKA Project 20386:


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Haha Where's the rest of it?

Seriously... It goes from bridge to mack to flight deck.

I do agree that it's low observable simply for being so tiny.

It took them this long to build an OPV.
 
2021-06-09 7:08:41 AM  

jso2897: "Every gun that is made, every warship launched, every rocket fired signifies, in the final sense, a theft from those who hunger and are not fed, those who are cold and are not clothed. This world in arms is not spending money alone. It is spending the sweat of its laborers, the genius of its scientists, the hopes of its children. The cost of one modern heavy bomber is this: a modern brick school in more than 30 cities. It is two electric power plants, each serving a town of 60,000 population. It is two fine, fully equipped hospitals. It is some fifty miles of concrete pavement. We pay for a single fighter plane with a half million bushels of wheat. We pay for a single destroyer with new homes that could have housed more than 8,000 people. This is, I repeat, the best way of life to be found on the road the world has been taking. This is not a way of life at all, in any true sense. Under the cloud of threatening war, it is humanity hanging from a cross of iron. [...] Is there no other way the world may live?"
Dwight Eisenhower


Very appropriate since this speech references Stalin's death.
It goes on:
"This new [Soviet] leadership confronts a free world aroused, as rarely in its history, by the will to stay free. This free world knows, out of bitter wisdom of experience, that vigilance and sacrifice are the price of liberty. It knows that the defense of Western Europe imperatively demands the unity of purpose and action made possible by the North Atlantic Treaty Organization, embracing a European Defense Community."
 
2021-06-09 7:15:58 AM  

johnny_vegas: jso2897: "Every gun that is made, every warship launched, every rocket fired signifies, in the final sense, a theft from those who hunger and are not fed, those who are cold and are not clothed. This world in arms is not spending money alone. It is spending the sweat of its laborers, the genius of its scientists, the hopes of its children. The cost of one modern heavy bomber is this: a modern brick school in more than 30 cities. It is two electric power plants, each serving a town of 60,000 population. It is two fine, fully equipped hospitals. It is some fifty miles of concrete pavement. We pay for a single fighter plane with a half million bushels of wheat. We pay for a single destroyer with new homes that could have housed more than 8,000 people. This is, I repeat, the best way of life to be found on the road the world has been taking. This is not a way of life at all, in any true sense. Under the cloud of threatening war, it is humanity hanging from a cross of iron. [...] Is there no other way the world may live?"
Dwight Eisenhower

Very appropriate since this speech references Stalin's death.
It goes on:
"This new [Soviet] leadership confronts a free world aroused, as rarely in its history, by the will to stay free. This free world knows, out of bitter wisdom of experience, that vigilance and sacrifice are the price of liberty. It knows that the defense of Western Europe imperatively demands the unity of purpose and action made possible by the North Atlantic Treaty Organization, embracing a European Defense Community."


Very appropriate because it doesn't matter WHY the speech was made on account of it speaks truth without qualification.
 
2021-06-09 7:17:52 AM  

leeksfromchichis: johnny_vegas: jso2897: "Every gun that is made, every warship launched, every rocket fired signifies, in the final sense, a theft from those who hunger and are not fed, those who are cold and are not clothed. This world in arms is not spending money alone. It is spending the sweat of its laborers, the genius of its scientists, the hopes of its children. The cost of one modern heavy bomber is this: a modern brick school in more than 30 cities. It is two electric power plants, each serving a town of 60,000 population. It is two fine, fully equipped hospitals. It is some fifty miles of concrete pavement. We pay for a single fighter plane with a half million bushels of wheat. We pay for a single destroyer with new homes that could have housed more than 8,000 people. This is, I repeat, the best way of life to be found on the road the world has been taking. This is not a way of life at all, in any true sense. Under the cloud of threatening war, it is humanity hanging from a cross of iron. [...] Is there no other way the world may live?"
Dwight Eisenhower

Very appropriate since this speech references Stalin's death.
It goes on:
"This new [Soviet] leadership confronts a free world aroused, as rarely in its history, by the will to stay free. This free world knows, out of bitter wisdom of experience, that vigilance and sacrifice are the price of liberty. It knows that the defense of Western Europe imperatively demands the unity of purpose and action made possible by the North Atlantic Treaty Organization, embracing a European Defense Community."

Very appropriate because it doesn't matter WHY the speech was made on account of it speaks truth without qualification.


Context matters.
 
2021-06-09 7:19:35 AM  

Rob3Fan: As I'm Canadian, having read the story and noticing all the other Putin headlines linked in the article, I feel a need to ask any Brit Farkers "Does the Express exist purely to distribute Kremlin propaganda?"


And Bonkers Boris propaganda.
And legitimising grift.

It's read and loved by the hate-filled UK equivalent of Trumpers.
 
2021-06-09 7:23:39 AM  
Peter the Great built a fleet that made Russia a world class power. They should update it.
 
2021-06-09 7:26:15 AM  

leeksfromchichis: omg bbq:

We win wars now? Someone should've told Afghanistan, Iraq, Viet Nam, Korea...


We misuse the military in the same manner we misuse the police, sending in people with weapons to deal with situations that are not helped by weaponry.  In the strictest sense, though, the military has been a complete success.  Are any of those places you listed a threat to America? For that matter, is there any other external military force that threatens our existence?  Protection against external threats of force is what should be the only purpose of our military (protecting our allies too).  In that regard, it's worked amazingly well.
 
2021-06-09 7:27:03 AM  
Bigger question what would happen if say Putin were to die suddenly or if the people finally rose up and had enough of this regime crap. What would happen?
 
2021-06-09 7:30:13 AM  

Rob3Fan: As I'm Canadian, having read the story and noticing all the other Putin headlines linked in the article, I feel a need to ask any Brit Farkers "Does the Express exist purely to distribute Kremlin propaganda?"


They have been predicting it since the day after WW2.  They will have one Princess Diana story and one World War 3 story per issue.

https://www.express.co.uk/latest/worl​d​-war-3
 
2021-06-09 7:33:20 AM  
Russia/USSR traditionally builds with redundant systems so if one fails a backup is available (which also traditionally fails: DIW [dead-in-water] reports for 24hrs+ are common Intel). USN stealth radar designs began construction before I retired from USN in 1995. "Jane's Fighting Ships" is the standard source for info. A good glossary to help is the Pentagon's "DicNavAb" (Dictionary of Naval Abbreviations).
 
2021-06-09 7:52:16 AM  
Maybe they're buying some of the stealth ships our Navy is retiring.
 
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