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2021-06-08 11:29:31 PM  
Finally the broken clock reached the correct time of day.
 
2021-06-08 11:29:38 PM  
Gave up on the minimum wage, gave up on cancelling student loan debt, now this.

Hell of a streak to ring in the "good guys" term after barely squeaking out last minute over fascists.
 
2021-06-08 11:31:50 PM  

bluejeansonfire: Gave up on the minimum wage, gave up on cancelling student loan debt, now this.

Hell of a streak to ring in the "good guys" term after barely squeaking out last minute over fascists.


Yeah it's totally Biden's fault that the Republicans hard people.
 
2021-06-08 11:31:53 PM  
We just want them to come up with a plan to pay for it with no taxes or borrowing or money.
 
2021-06-08 11:32:29 PM  
Hard? Or hate. Either one, really
 
2021-06-08 11:33:26 PM  

bluejeansonfire: Gave up on the minimum wage, gave up on cancelling student loan debt, now this.

Hell of a streak to ring in the "good guys" term after barely squeaking out last minute over fascists.


I really don't understand why they can't get that doing good things for the American people will get the American people to vote for them. It's so simple. It's so simple.

Republicans deliver. Sure, what they deliver is cruelty and racism, but that's what their voters want. For some reason, Democrats think they can get elected, deliver little to nothing, and then expect people to vote for them again. I don't know why they expect this, especially given that history does not support their thesis in the slightest.

Do they honestly think that failing to help the American people will endear the American people to them? I am just baffled by this.
 
2021-06-08 11:34:04 PM  

aleister_greynight: We just want them to come up with a plan to pay for it with no taxes or borrowing or money.


Even of they managed to make that happen, the Republicans would still find a reason to vote no.
 
2021-06-08 11:35:02 PM  
Democrats clearly have no interest in doing a damn thing for the people and anyone who says otherwise is a disingenuous lying shill.
 
2021-06-08 11:38:53 PM  

austerity101: bluejeansonfire: Gave up on the minimum wage, gave up on cancelling student loan debt, now this.

Hell of a streak to ring in the "good guys" term after barely squeaking out last minute over fascists.

I really don't understand why they can't get that doing good things for the American people will get the American people to vote for them. It's so simple. It's so simple.

Republicans deliver. Sure, what they deliver is cruelty and racism, but that's what their voters want. For some reason, Democrats think they can get elected, deliver little to nothing, and then expect people to vote for them again. I don't know why they expect this, especially given that history does not support their thesis in the slightest.

Do they honestly think that failing to help the American people will endear the American people to them? I am just baffled by this.


Because Republicans vote as a bloc and won't budge, and their sugar daddy Charles Koch has paid operatives in the Democratic Party making sure that the Democrats can't go around them.
 
2021-06-08 11:40:14 PM  
FTFA: Republican demands that Democrats provide detailed ways to pay for the legislation, so long as those ways not include tax increases or increased borrowing.

in other words, paint yourself into a corner then give us all the opposition talking points for we need to slander your good faith efforts with.
 
2021-06-08 11:46:38 PM  

austerity101: bluejeansonfire: Gave up on the minimum wage, gave up on cancelling student loan debt, now this.

Hell of a streak to ring in the "good guys" term after barely squeaking out last minute over fascists.

I really don't understand why they can't get that doing good things for the American people will get the American people to vote for them. It's so simple. It's so simple.

Republicans deliver. Sure, what they deliver is cruelty and racism, but that's what their voters want. For some reason, Democrats think they can get elected, deliver little to nothing, and then expect people to vote for them again. I don't know why they expect this, especially given that history does not support their thesis in the slightest.

Do they honestly think that failing to help the American people will endear the American people to them? I am just baffled by this.


Can they even get this stuff to the floor for a vote with the filibuster?

I don't think they can, which allows sensors to hide behind words when they know they don't have to vote on something.

If they can, I'd say force the vote. Make the conservative Dems put themselves on the record.
 
2021-06-08 11:47:59 PM  

aleister_greynight: We just want them to come up with a plan to pay for it with no taxes or borrowing or money.


And it has to be super detailed so we can twist it into lies and pick it apart on Fox News 24 hours a day.
 
2021-06-08 11:48:58 PM  
You know we were smart enough to get away with stealing the election, getting bills passed should be child's play ffs.
 
2021-06-08 11:49:08 PM  

austerity101: bluejeansonfire: Gave up on the minimum wage, gave up on cancelling student loan debt, now this.

Hell of a streak to ring in the "good guys" term after barely squeaking out last minute over fascists.

I really don't understand why they can't get that doing good things for the American people will get the American people to vote for them. It's so simple. It's so simple.

Republicans deliver. Sure, what they deliver is cruelty and racism, but that's what their voters want. For some reason, Democrats think they can get elected, deliver little to nothing, and then expect people to vote for them again. I don't know why they expect this, especially given that history does not support their thesis in the slightest.

Do they honestly think that failing to help the American people will endear the American people to them? I am just baffled by this.


They don't deliver on that through Congress, dummy. They passed exactly one major bill between 2016-2018.
 
2021-06-08 11:51:55 PM  

cameroncrazy1984: bluejeansonfire: Gave up on the minimum wage, gave up on cancelling student loan debt, now this.

Hell of a streak to ring in the "good guys" term after barely squeaking out last minute over fascists.

Yeah it's totally Biden's fault that the Republicans hard people.


You don't get to say that the executive and legislative branches are powerless in the face of adversity after the last 4 years.

I won't tolerate people saying "but it's hard" or "but it's against the rules" when the last guy manhandled our government to do evil.

If our government is just gentleman's agreements on napkins anyway, then f*ck it, manhandle it to do some good.

Deferring to the rules will get us all killed in this country. If rules stand in the way of progress and good things, then break those f*cking rules with no hesitation. The other guys won't let rules stand in their way.
 
2021-06-08 11:52:59 PM  

Unknown Subject: Democrats clearly have no interest in doing a damn thing for the people and anyone who says otherwise is a disingenuous lying shill.


LOL at the Dem cultists funny-ing you. You're absolutely correct.

Dems will let everyone hear die broke sick and destitute if it gets them re-election.
 
2021-06-08 11:55:16 PM  

phoenix352: austerity101: bluejeansonfire: Gave up on the minimum wage, gave up on cancelling student loan debt, now this.

Hell of a streak to ring in the "good guys" term after barely squeaking out last minute over fascists.

I really don't understand why they can't get that doing good things for the American people will get the American people to vote for them. It's so simple. It's so simple.

Republicans deliver. Sure, what they deliver is cruelty and racism, but that's what their voters want. For some reason, Democrats think they can get elected, deliver little to nothing, and then expect people to vote for them again. I don't know why they expect this, especially given that history does not support their thesis in the slightest.

Do they honestly think that failing to help the American people will endear the American people to them? I am just baffled by this.

Can they even get this stuff to the floor for a vote with the filibuster?

I don't think they can, which allows sensors to hide behind words when they know they don't have to vote on something.

If they can, I'd say force the vote. Make the conservative Dems put themselves on the record.


And that's the crazy thing. Killing the filibuster and passing these bills would go so far toward ensuring their reelections. Like, way more so than anything else they're doing, which is practically nothing. Especially given the Republicans are waging an all-out war against voting.

Do the Democrats honestly think they can just get American voters to vote extra super duper hard? Why the f*ck should the American people have to work that much harder to vote for these people, the people who refused to do their job and make it easier to vote?  They're offloading their responsibilities onto American voters and just expecting them to take it. How the f*ck can they think this is a winning strategy??
 
2021-06-08 11:55:29 PM  
Hahaha. This headline is missing the "No, not that one, the other one" joke.

Was he ever negotiating with Capito?
 
2021-06-08 11:58:41 PM  
Whine about bipartisanship.

Water down or sabotage Democratic legislation in order to get what you want.

Vote against it anyway.

Blame Democrats for voting such shiatty legislation into law.

Clean up in the midterms and get back to what the American people really want, obstruction and benghazi hearings.
 
2021-06-08 11:59:55 PM  

bluejeansonfire: Unknown Subject: Democrats clearly have no interest in doing a damn thing for the people and anyone who says otherwise is a disingenuous lying shill.

LOL at the Dem cultists funny-ing you. You're absolutely correct.

Dems will let everyone hear die broke sick and destitute if it gets them re-election.


Also bluejeansonfire:If Mitch McConnell were a Democrat, they'd respect him more than they respect Bernie Sanders.
 
2021-06-09 12:02:45 AM  

austerity101: bluejeansonfire: Gave up on the minimum wage, gave up on cancelling student loan debt, now this.

Hell of a streak to ring in the "good guys" term after barely squeaking out last minute over fascists.

I really don't understand why they can't get that doing good things for the American people will get the American people to vote for them. It's so simple. It's so simple.

Republicans deliver. Sure, what they deliver is cruelty and racism, but that's what their voters want. For some reason, Democrats think they can get elected, deliver little to nothing, and then expect people to vote for them again. I don't know why they expect this, especially given that history does not support their thesis in the slightest.

Do they honestly think that failing to help the American people will endear the American people to them? I am just baffled by this.


So far the Dems haven't been able to get 50 Senators that fully agree with their agenda elected in the inherently gerrymandered Senate - that's what they need to do somehow and voting reform is a critical missing piece for doing that
 
2021-06-09 12:04:48 AM  
"impasse over Republican demands that Democrats provide detailed ways to pay for the legislation, so long as those ways not include tax increases or increased borrowing."

Them who will benefit should pony up for that benefit. That's capitalism.
 
2021-06-09 12:06:59 AM  

aleister_greynight: bluejeansonfire: Unknown Subject: Democrats clearly have no interest in doing a damn thing for the people and anyone who says otherwise is a disingenuous lying shill.

LOL at the Dem cultists funny-ing you. You're absolutely correct.

Dems will let everyone hear die broke sick and destitute if it gets them re-election.

Also bluejeansonfire:If Mitch McConnell were a Democrat, they'd respect him more than they respect Bernie Sanders.


Yes, this is a true statement. Even as it stands they're more likely to cooperate with McConnell than Sanders.
 
2021-06-09 12:13:24 AM  

Chaghatai: austerity101: bluejeansonfire: Gave up on the minimum wage, gave up on cancelling student loan debt, now this.

Hell of a streak to ring in the "good guys" term after barely squeaking out last minute over fascists.

I really don't understand why they can't get that doing good things for the American people will get the American people to vote for them. It's so simple. It's so simple.

Republicans deliver. Sure, what they deliver is cruelty and racism, but that's what their voters want. For some reason, Democrats think they can get elected, deliver little to nothing, and then expect people to vote for them again. I don't know why they expect this, especially given that history does not support their thesis in the slightest.

Do they honestly think that failing to help the American people will endear the American people to them? I am just baffled by this.

So far the Dems haven't been able to get 50 Senators that fully agree with their agenda elected in the inherently gerrymandered Senate - that's what they need to do somehow and voting reform is a critical missing piece for doing that


And that's what's puzzling me--how in the world can any Democrats oppose this? Even if their main concern is reelection, supporting and passing this legislation is the absolute most assured way of achieving that.

Why are they willing to lose over this?
 
2021-06-09 12:14:08 AM  

UndeadPoetsSociety: aleister_greynight: bluejeansonfire: Unknown Subject: Democrats clearly have no interest in doing a damn thing for the people and anyone who says otherwise is a disingenuous lying shill.

LOL at the Dem cultists funny-ing you. You're absolutely correct.

Dems will let everyone hear die broke sick and destitute if it gets them re-election.

Also bluejeansonfire:If Mitch McConnell were a Democrat, they'd respect him more than they respect Bernie Sanders.

Yes, this is a true statement. Even as it stands they're more likely to cooperate with McConnell than Sanders.


Yeah, was that comment supposed to be a comeback or something? Because Mr. Bluejeans is definitely right about all of that.
 
2021-06-09 12:16:43 AM  

austerity101: Chaghatai: austerity101: bluejeansonfire: Gave up on the minimum wage, gave up on cancelling student loan debt, now this.

Hell of a streak to ring in the "good guys" term after barely squeaking out last minute over fascists.

I really don't understand why they can't get that doing good things for the American people will get the American people to vote for them. It's so simple. It's so simple.

Republicans deliver. Sure, what they deliver is cruelty and racism, but that's what their voters want. For some reason, Democrats think they can get elected, deliver little to nothing, and then expect people to vote for them again. I don't know why they expect this, especially given that history does not support their thesis in the slightest.

Do they honestly think that failing to help the American people will endear the American people to them? I am just baffled by this.

So far the Dems haven't been able to get 50 Senators that fully agree with their agenda elected in the inherently gerrymandered Senate - that's what they need to do somehow and voting reform is a critical missing piece for doing that

And that's what's puzzling me--how in the world can any Democrats oppose this? Even if their main concern is reelection, supporting and passing this legislation is the absolute most assured way of achieving that.

Why are they willing to lose over this?


This is why.

Manchin is being paid to make sure the Democrats can't do shiat. It's not about his constituents, and it's not about his reelection (if he even runs again); it's about his own personal greed.

Charles Koch has made his way onto my list of 'people who make me question my opposition to the death penalty', alongside Trump and McConnell.
 
2021-06-09 12:22:24 AM  

austerity101: Chaghatai: austerity101: bluejeansonfire: Gave up on the minimum wage, gave up on cancelling student loan debt, now this.

Hell of a streak to ring in the "good guys" term after barely squeaking out last minute over fascists.

I really don't understand why they can't get that doing good things for the American people will get the American people to vote for them. It's so simple. It's so simple.

Republicans deliver. Sure, what they deliver is cruelty and racism, but that's what their voters want. For some reason, Democrats think they can get elected, deliver little to nothing, and then expect people to vote for them again. I don't know why they expect this, especially given that history does not support their thesis in the slightest.

Do they honestly think that failing to help the American people will endear the American people to them? I am just baffled by this.

So far the Dems haven't been able to get 50 Senators that fully agree with their agenda elected in the inherently gerrymandered Senate - that's what they need to do somehow and voting reform is a critical missing piece for doing that

And that's what's puzzling me--how in the world can any Democrats oppose this? Even if their main concern is reelection, supporting and passing this legislation is the absolute most assured way of achieving that.

Why are they willing to lose over this?


Because what Democratic leadership cares most about is keeping the US an imperialist apartheid state.
 
2021-06-09 12:23:22 AM  

LordJiro: austerity101: Chaghatai: austerity101: bluejeansonfire: Gave up on the minimum wage, gave up on cancelling student loan debt, now this.

Hell of a streak to ring in the "good guys" term after barely squeaking out last minute over fascists.

I really don't understand why they can't get that doing good things for the American people will get the American people to vote for them. It's so simple. It's so simple.

Republicans deliver. Sure, what they deliver is cruelty and racism, but that's what their voters want. For some reason, Democrats think they can get elected, deliver little to nothing, and then expect people to vote for them again. I don't know why they expect this, especially given that history does not support their thesis in the slightest.

Do they honestly think that failing to help the American people will endear the American people to them? I am just baffled by this.

So far the Dems haven't been able to get 50 Senators that fully agree with their agenda elected in the inherently gerrymandered Senate - that's what they need to do somehow and voting reform is a critical missing piece for doing that

And that's what's puzzling me--how in the world can any Democrats oppose this? Even if their main concern is reelection, supporting and passing this legislation is the absolute most assured way of achieving that.

Why are they willing to lose over this?

This is why.

Manchin is being paid to make sure the Democrats can't do shiat. It's not about his constituents, and it's not about his reelection (if he even runs again); it's about his own personal greed.

Charles Koch has made his way onto my list of 'people who make me question my opposition to the death penalty', alongside Trump and McConnell.


I'm curious what the moderates' response to that is going to be. How do you defend a Democrat receiving Koch money? How does that not immediately make you want to grab your torches and pitchforks? And why is the Party OK with that?
 
2021-06-09 12:23:46 AM  

aleister_greynight: bluejeansonfire: Unknown Subject: Democrats clearly have no interest in doing a damn thing for the people and anyone who says otherwise is a disingenuous lying shill.

LOL at the Dem cultists funny-ing you. You're absolutely correct.

Dems will let everyone hear die broke sick and destitute if it gets them re-election.

Also bluejeansonfire:If Mitch McConnell were a Democrat, they'd respect him more than they respect Bernie Sanders.


And? I stand by that.
 
2021-06-09 12:42:06 AM  

austerity101: phoenix352: austerity101: bluejeansonfire: Gave up on the minimum wage, gave up on cancelling student loan debt, now this.

Hell of a streak to ring in the "good guys" term after barely squeaking out last minute over fascists.

I really don't understand why they can't get that doing good things for the American people will get the American people to vote for them. It's so simple. It's so simple.

Republicans deliver. Sure, what they deliver is cruelty and racism, but that's what their voters want. For some reason, Democrats think they can get elected, deliver little to nothing, and then expect people to vote for them again. I don't know why they expect this, especially given that history does not support their thesis in the slightest.

Do they honestly think that failing to help the American people will endear the American people to them? I am just baffled by this.

Can they even get this stuff to the floor for a vote with the filibuster?

I don't think they can, which allows sensors to hide behind words when they know they don't have to vote on something.

If they can, I'd say force the vote. Make the conservative Dems put themselves on the record.

And that's the crazy thing. Killing the filibuster and passing these bills would go so far toward ensuring their reelections. Like, way more so than anything else they're doing, which is practically nothing. Especially given the Republicans are waging an all-out war against voting.

Do the Democrats honestly think they can just get American voters to vote extra super duper hard? Why the f*ck should the American people have to work that much harder to vote for these people, the people who refused to do their job and make it easier to vote?  They're offloading their responsibilities onto American voters and just expecting them to take it. How the f*ck can they think this is a winning strategy??


I'd say two or three think playing it down the center is their best course and it's farming it up for the rest.

More reason to get more Dems elected so we don't have to get blocked by Manchin and Sinema.
 
2021-06-09 12:43:51 AM  

phoenix352: austerity101: phoenix352: austerity101: bluejeansonfire: Gave up on the minimum wage, gave up on cancelling student loan debt, now this.

Hell of a streak to ring in the "good guys" term after barely squeaking out last minute over fascists.

I really don't understand why they can't get that doing good things for the American people will get the American people to vote for them. It's so simple. It's so simple.

Republicans deliver. Sure, what they deliver is cruelty and racism, but that's what their voters want. For some reason, Democrats think they can get elected, deliver little to nothing, and then expect people to vote for them again. I don't know why they expect this, especially given that history does not support their thesis in the slightest.

Do they honestly think that failing to help the American people will endear the American people to them? I am just baffled by this.

Can they even get this stuff to the floor for a vote with the filibuster?

I don't think they can, which allows sensors to hide behind words when they know they don't have to vote on something.

If they can, I'd say force the vote. Make the conservative Dems put themselves on the record.

And that's the crazy thing. Killing the filibuster and passing these bills would go so far toward ensuring their reelections. Like, way more so than anything else they're doing, which is practically nothing. Especially given the Republicans are waging an all-out war against voting.

Do the Democrats honestly think they can just get American voters to vote extra super duper hard? Why the f*ck should the American people have to work that much harder to vote for these people, the people who refused to do their job and make it easier to vote?  They're offloading their responsibilities onto American voters and just expecting them to take it. How the f*ck can they think this is a winning strategy??

I'd say two or three think playing it down the center is their best course and it's farming it up for the rest.

More reason to get more Dems elected so we don't have to get blocked by Manchin and Sinema.


Sure, but that doesn't help us from now till November of next year. It's both unfair and immoral to stop trying to do something in the meantime. The voters are owed that.
 
2021-06-09 12:48:40 AM  

cameroncrazy1984: Yeah it's totally Biden's fault that the Republicans hard people.


One of the things that Biden ran on was his ability to work with Republicans. Many of us progressives were lambasted for calling that foolish and for supporting candidates during the primaries who actually recognized the Republican threat. 

austerity101: Why are they willing to lose over this?


Because they are still stuck on the notion that because the other side is so much worse, anyone who doesn't outright want fascism has no choice but to vote for them. They feel entitled to our votes, so they do nothing to earn them, because, as we keep being told over and over and over again, withholding our unearned votes from them is the same as voting for Fascism. 

And then they lose, and of course its all our fault for choosing to "waste" our votes on anyone who is not them, for choosing not to participate in a broken system that is rigged against us anyway, or as has been evidenced here over and over again, voting for them anyway while also pointing out where they are wrong and what they are doing wrong, because I guess we just didn't vote for them hard enough or something. 

This time around, it will be extra our faults for not voting super duper hard for them in order to overcome the voter suppression and vote invalidation laws and attempts by GOP run legislatures at state levels, because when the GOP decides to just toss out any results they don't like, it will be our fault for somehow not finding a loophole around that. 

Definitely won't be their fault for not doing everything necessary in order to pass federal laws prohibiting such state level actions and thus protecting not only our right to vote, but our ability and opportunity to vote and have it be counted.

/ so looking forward to the 2022 and 2024 elections
// not sure if we should bother looking forward to elections after that or not, because it may not matter any more
 
2021-06-09 1:24:53 AM  
I'm starting to think Manchin and Sinema are simply trolling Libs into moving to their god forsaken hellhole states to generate jobs and revenue. I'm half packed ready to move to Huntington and spinning up some kind of web 3.x app, or whatever stupid shiat they're trying to call the internet scan these days.

If we get more smarty-pants to move back and do their startups in these places they can always fly to places where you don't want to slit your own throat from the heat or gloom.
 
2021-06-09 2:29:51 AM  
Sen. Capito issued a statement noting that she had negotiated "in good faith." The senator added that the failure of the talks "does not mean bipartisanship isn't feasible."

Two lies in an as many sentences.
 
2021-06-09 2:45:43 AM  
I am, once again, ashamed to live in this shiathole cou... er state.
 
2021-06-09 3:11:39 AM  
1 Republican down, 3 more to go.
 
2021-06-09 9:20:37 AM  

bluejeansonfire: Deferring to the rules will get us all killed in this country. If rules stand in the way of progress and good things, then break those f*cking rules with no hesitation. The other guys won't let rules stand in their way.


I am extremely frustrated by the number of people who think the solution to our problems is to have the right kind of dictator to throw off the rules.
 
2021-06-09 11:32:49 AM  

RminusQ: bluejeansonfire: Deferring to the rules will get us all killed in this country. If rules stand in the way of progress and good things, then break those f*cking rules with no hesitation. The other guys won't let rules stand in their way.

I am extremely frustrated by the number of people who think the solution to our problems is to have the right kind of dictator to throw off the rules.


Nobody is talking about a dictator, you disingenuous twit. The rules in question aren't laws and have no legal force. We are asking Democrats to use their legal power, granted by the electorate, to pass the legislation they promises to pass.
 
2021-06-09 11:39:28 AM  
So Biden is done trying to reach across the aisle to Republicans?
 
2021-06-09 11:42:33 AM  
Wrong Senator.  Biden should be pavement-crunching Manchin.
 
2021-06-09 11:47:34 AM  
This had nothing to do regarding the 'Infrastructure' Bill. This was calling Dems/Libs bluff regarding the filibuster. Since the Dems/Libs have ZERO chance of eliminating the filibuster now; actual compromise can/will happen on the 'new' Infrastructure' Bill.
 
2021-06-09 11:57:09 AM  

BeotchPudding: This had nothing to do regarding the 'Infrastructure' Bill. This was calling Dems/Libs bluff regarding the filibuster. Since the Dems/Libs have ZERO chance of eliminating the filibuster now; actual compromise can/will happen on the 'new' Infrastructure' Bill.


You'd like that, wouldn't you?  Dumbshiats keeping progress from happening.
 
2021-06-09 9:30:27 PM  

phoenix352: FTFA: Republican demands that Democrats provide detailed ways to pay for the legislation, so long as those ways not include tax increases or increased borrowing.

in other words, paint yourself into a corner then give us all the opposition talking points for we need to slander your good faith efforts with.


Here's an easy way, stop giving red states more money then they put in.
 
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