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2021-06-08 8:47:24 PM  
If he's ever charged with a crime, his lawyer will not be putting him on the stand to testify. That was pathetic.
 
2021-06-08 10:20:44 PM  
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2021-06-09 12:15:45 AM  
Would you seize and consume it? Morbo demands and answer from Nixon.
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2021-06-09 2:10:07 AM  
It's not glue.  It's jizz, ok?! He really loves baseball.
 
2021-06-09 2:26:58 AM  
wow. there's dumber than a box of rocks, and somewhere below that is Cole. you'd think someone who's cheating would have a polished answer at the ready, especially as attention on the issue increases. (though not among umpires or the league.) he should take a leaf from McGwire's book, with the then-legal androstenedione bottle prominently visible in his locker.
 
2021-06-09 2:38:28 AM  
The longest "yes" in history.
 
2021-06-09 2:39:06 AM  
He got a large contract, in part, because the Dodgers wanted access to whatever his "recipe" is. I watched a youtube vid about this and apparently spin rates all over baseball are going way up. Some guys are up something like 300rpms. It's crazy. Apparently MLB has singled out Cole as the test case for how to investigate and punish pitchers in the league for this stuff now. You check Cole's twitter and he openly talks about experimenting with recipes for different substances and how they affect spin rates and breaks on different pitches. It's actually funny.
 
2021-06-09 3:18:56 AM  
Why isn't this being enforced? Was it ever enforced in the past? I thought the Major League gag about Harris was just for laughs. Can't the umpire check the ball periodically to see if it feels like dried coca cola? And then eject the pitcher when the ball won't let go?
 
2021-06-09 4:01:08 AM  

Ishkur: Why isn't this being enforced? Was it ever enforced in the past? I thought the Major League gag about Harris was just for laughs. Can't the umpire check the ball periodically to see if it feels like dried coca cola? And then eject the pitcher when the ball won't let go?


at this point it doesn't even qualify as an open secret. the only explanation for the lack of crackdown is that the league is interfering and telling umpires not to get involved.
 
2021-06-09 4:59:17 AM  

virulent_loser: Ishkur: Why isn't this being enforced? Was it ever enforced in the past? I thought the Major League gag about Harris was just for laughs. Can't the umpire check the ball periodically to see if it feels like dried coca cola? And then eject the pitcher when the ball won't let go?

at this point it doesn't even qualify as an open secret. the only explanation for the lack of crackdown is that the league is interfering and telling umpires not to get involved.


My understanding is that a Manager has to specifically call it out, which the umpires would then check on. But nobody is calling it out, because they would expect to be called out as well. And get caught.

/And knowing MLB, if Cole was caught his suspension would probably by handled as well as Aroldis Chapman's for throwing at another player's head
//Fark the Yankees
 
2021-06-09 5:52:57 AM  

Rob3Fan: virulent_loser: Ishkur: Why isn't this being enforced? Was it ever enforced in the past? I thought the Major League gag about Harris was just for laughs. Can't the umpire check the ball periodically to see if it feels like dried coca cola? And then eject the pitcher when the ball won't let go?

at this point it doesn't even qualify as an open secret. the only explanation for the lack of crackdown is that the league is interfering and telling umpires not to get involved.

My understanding is that a Manager has to specifically call it out, which the umpires would then check on. But nobody is calling it out, because they would expect to be called out as well. And get caught.

/And knowing MLB, if Cole was caught his suspension would probably by handled as well as Aroldis Chapman's for throwing at another player's head
//Fark the Yankees


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I still want this shirt.
 
2021-06-09 6:22:28 AM  
In response to pitchers doctoring the baseball, MLB will announce that the use of steroids will be allowed.
 
2021-06-09 7:00:20 AM  

Rob3Fan: virulent_loser: Ishkur: Why isn't this being enforced? Was it ever enforced in the past? I thought the Major League gag about Harris was just for laughs. Can't the umpire check the ball periodically to see if it feels like dried coca cola? And then eject the pitcher when the ball won't let go?

at this point it doesn't even qualify as an open secret. the only explanation for the lack of crackdown is that the league is interfering and telling umpires not to get involved.

My understanding is that a Manager has to specifically call it out, which the umpires would then check on. But nobody is calling it out, because they would expect to be called out as well. And get caught.

/And knowing MLB, if Cole was caught his suspension would probably by handled as well as Aroldis Chapman's for throwing at another player's head
//Fark the Yankees


huh, thanks, I didn't know that (about the managers). did LaRussa call it out when that Cardinals pitcher's hat was confiscated? I was under the impression Joe West had done it on his own.
 
2021-06-09 7:17:19 AM  

virulent_loser: Rob3Fan: virulent_loser: Ishkur: Why isn't this being enforced? Was it ever enforced in the past? I thought the Major League gag about Harris was just for laughs. Can't the umpire check the ball periodically to see if it feels like dried coca cola? And then eject the pitcher when the ball won't let go?

at this point it doesn't even qualify as an open secret. the only explanation for the lack of crackdown is that the league is interfering and telling umpires not to get involved.

My understanding is that a Manager has to specifically call it out, which the umpires would then check on. But nobody is calling it out, because they would expect to be called out as well. And get caught.

/And knowing MLB, if Cole was caught his suspension would probably by handled as well as Aroldis Chapman's for throwing at another player's head
//Fark the Yankees

huh, thanks, I didn't know that (about the managers). did LaRussa call it out when that Cardinals pitcher's hat was confiscated? I was under the impression Joe West had done it on his own.


Joe West wanted to eat the hat.
 
2021-06-09 7:25:32 AM  
It's a cheating sport and has been for 50 years.  Watch it or don't.  Then move along.
 
2021-06-09 7:51:33 AM  

Suflig: He got a large contract, in part, because the Dodgers wanted access to whatever his "recipe" is. I watched a youtube vid about this and apparently spin rates all over baseball are going way up. Some guys are up something like 300rpms. It's crazy. Apparently MLB has singled out Cole as the test case for how to investigate and punish pitchers in the league for this stuff now. You check Cole's twitter and he openly talks about experimenting with recipes for different substances and how they affect spin rates and breaks on different pitches. It's actually funny.


they'll go after bauer first.  he made mlb look bad by going on about the sticky icky for a long time and mlb tried to ut its fingers in its ears and ignore him.  then he went over the top using the stuff to illustrate his point, furthering the spotlight on the issue

and bauer does something to rub just about everyone the wrong way, so he's an easy target
 
2021-06-09 8:19:35 AM  
Cheatin Yankee

Same as always
 
2021-06-09 8:30:27 AM  

Ishkur: Why isn't this being enforced? Was it ever enforced in the past? I thought the Major League gag about Harris was just for laughs. Can't the umpire check the ball periodically to see if it feels like dried coca cola? And then eject the pitcher when the ball won't let go?


The answer is kinda sorta. Things like Vaseline, superglue, and KY Jelly are banned, but some clever bastard found out that if you mix certain types of sunscreen with rosin, you get an adhesive that makes the skin really sticky, thereby improving grip. Of course, both substances individually are allowed on the mound and on the pitcher's body, so it's hard to police.
 
2021-06-09 8:44:37 AM  

puffy999: virulent_loser: Rob3Fan: virulent_loser: Ishkur: Why isn't this being enforced? Was it ever enforced in the past? I thought the Major League gag about Harris was just for laughs. Can't the umpire check the ball periodically to see if it feels like dried coca cola? And then eject the pitcher when the ball won't let go?

at this point it doesn't even qualify as an open secret. the only explanation for the lack of crackdown is that the league is interfering and telling umpires not to get involved.

My understanding is that a Manager has to specifically call it out, which the umpires would then check on. But nobody is calling it out, because they would expect to be called out as well. And get caught.

/And knowing MLB, if Cole was caught his suspension would probably by handled as well as Aroldis Chapman's for throwing at another player's head
//Fark the Yankees

huh, thanks, I didn't know that (about the managers). did LaRussa call it out when that Cardinals pitcher's hat was confiscated? I was under the impression Joe West had done it on his own.

Joe West wanted to eat the hat.


well yeah, that goes without saying. ;)
 
2021-06-09 8:48:07 AM  

mikaloyd: Cheatin Yankee

Same as always


If you ain't yankin' you ain't tryin'.

/wait
 
2021-06-09 9:12:00 AM  
And Gaylord Perry smiles and gives a thumbs up from the grave....
 
2021-06-09 9:15:00 AM  

browneye: And Gaylord Perry smiles and gives a thumbs up from the grave....


CORRECTION: Gaylord Perry is still alive. My mistake.
 
2021-06-09 9:31:09 AM  

browneye: browneye: And Gaylord Perry smiles and gives a thumbs up from the grave....

CORRECTION: Gaylord Perry is still alive. My mistake.


Dude even cheats death.
 
2021-06-09 9:36:47 AM  
wait until Tom Brady hears about this stuff
 
2021-06-09 9:51:09 AM  

virulent_loser: Rob3Fan: virulent_loser: Ishkur: Why isn't this being enforced? Was it ever enforced in the past? I thought the Major League gag about Harris was just for laughs. Can't the umpire check the ball periodically to see if it feels like dried coca cola? And then eject the pitcher when the ball won't let go?

at this point it doesn't even qualify as an open secret. the only explanation for the lack of crackdown is that the league is interfering and telling umpires not to get involved.

My understanding is that a Manager has to specifically call it out, which the umpires would then check on. But nobody is calling it out, because they would expect to be called out as well. And get caught.

/And knowing MLB, if Cole was caught his suspension would probably by handled as well as Aroldis Chapman's for throwing at another player's head
//Fark the Yankees

huh, thanks, I didn't know that (about the managers). did LaRussa call it out when that Cardinals pitcher's hat was confiscated? I was under the impression Joe West had done it on his own.


I can't believe I am semi-defending Joe West. That pitcher was so obvious with what he was doing, that West called him out on it. What I thought West did that was nice (first time for everything?) was he told the guy to change his hate before he threw a pitch so he (West) wouldn't have to eject the player.
 
2021-06-09 10:04:02 AM  

Outshined_One: Ishkur: Why isn't this being enforced? Was it ever enforced in the past? I thought the Major League gag about Harris was just for laughs. Can't the umpire check the ball periodically to see if it feels like dried coca cola? And then eject the pitcher when the ball won't let go?

The answer is kinda sorta. Things like Vaseline, superglue, and KY Jelly are banned, but some clever bastard found out that if you mix certain types of sunscreen with rosin, you get an adhesive that makes the skin really sticky, thereby improving grip. Of course, both substances individually are allowed on the mound and on the pitcher's body, so it's hard to police.


It's basically been an open secret for a couple years now that pitchers are putting stuff on their hands to increase grip, which in turn increases spin, which makes their pitches more effective.  I don't know all the ins and outs of where it started or who was doing it, but apparently, the Angels were neck-deep in it at some point, with a clubhouse attendant making up some sort of goop and sharing it all around the league.  Noted red-ass Trevor Bauer called out the Astros a couple years ago, but that might just be because he dislikes Gerrit Cole (they played together in college), who's been one of the names widely speculated about.  Bauer himself made a big stink about it, and then last year won the Cy Young while upping his spin rate something like 300 RPM, IIRC.

There was an article on here, I think last week, where some guys went to a place that has one of those fancy ball-trackers and loaded up with lots of different stuff.  The rosin/sunscreen one is fairly effective and basically legal, but stuff like the spider tack and the pine tar and the "boiled coca cola" mix or whatever are definitely illegal.  MLB has supposedly been "investigating" the matter, by doing stuff like collecting baseballs after games and whatnot, but nobody's really enforcing the rules on it right now.

The thing with the Cardinals/White Sox game a couple weeks ago was the 2nd base ump saw a Cards reliever come in with a pretty clear "shiny" spot on the brim of his hat, and told Joe West, who's the crew chief, and West made the pitcher put on a new hat before he started pitching.  Not to defend Country Joe, but he could've just waited til the pitcher started pitching, and then ejected the pitcher, which would've been an automatic suspension under the "illegal substances" rule.  Cards manager Mike Shildt still went on an epic rant about it after that game, though, which is worth tracking down.
 
2021-06-09 10:18:46 AM  

Candygram for Mongo: browneye: browneye: And Gaylord Perry smiles and gives a thumbs up from the grave....

CORRECTION: Gaylord Perry is still alive. My mistake.

Dude even cheats death.


<Smile>

Gaylord Perry is 82 years old. So provided that he's well enough to do so, I wouldn't be surprised if some reporter tracks him down to get a quote or two about all of this foreign substance stuff. Afterall, he was the King.
 
2021-06-09 10:24:44 AM  

Nana's Vibrator: It's a cheating sport and has been for 50 years.  Watch it or don't.  Then move along.


I'm sure they're all cheating sports one way or another. The funny thing about baseball is that the unwritten rules are more clearly enforced than the written ones.
 
2021-06-09 1:12:11 PM  

Suflig: He got a large contract, in part, because the Dodgers wanted access to whatever his "recipe" is. I watched a youtube vid about this and apparently spin rates all over baseball are going way up. Some guys are up something like 300rpms. It's crazy. Apparently MLB has singled out Cole as the test case for how to investigate and punish pitchers in the league for this stuff now. You check Cole's twitter and he openly talks about experimenting with recipes for different substances and how they affect spin rates and breaks on different pitches. It's actually funny.


I think you're confusing Cole with Bauer
 
2021-06-09 1:14:11 PM  
If it is so obvious and out in the open, is it really cheating? It's like traveling in the NBA. Constantly committed, almost never called. Who gives a shiat?
 
2021-06-09 1:22:22 PM  
Of course he couldn't have figured out this trick before the 2015 NL wild card game
 
2021-06-09 1:36:04 PM  

Pesky_Humans: If it is so obvious and out in the open, is it really cheating? It's like traveling in the NBA. Constantly committed, almost never called. Who gives a shiat?


the *'s may give a shiat.

Or any other team who has gotten in trouble for cheating, may give a shiat.

The teams who haven't been caught cheating (yet) may give a shiat.

In short, everyone except for maybe, you.
 
2021-06-09 1:57:03 PM  
Later in the clip: "if anyone wants to, you know, legislate some more stuff, that's a conversation we can have."

Bro, it has already been legislated.
 
2021-06-09 2:28:47 PM  
you know who gives a shiat? every single casino taking action on MLB now, and MLB is gonna listen to them because they looooooove that new revenue stream
 
2021-06-09 4:02:47 PM  

Suflig: He got a large contract, in part, because the Dodgers wanted access to whatever his "recipe" is. I watched a youtube vid about this and apparently spin rates all over baseball are going way up. Some guys are up something like 300rpms. It's crazy. Apparently MLB has singled out Cole as the test case for how to investigate and punish pitchers in the league for this stuff now. You check Cole's twitter and he openly talks about experimenting with recipes for different substances and how they affect spin rates and breaks on different pitches. It's actually funny.


Yeah/

And let's be clear.

Legal: The MLB provided rosin, and the mud the umpires use to knock the shine off the balls. Well, you can't pitch with the mud, but if there's a little on the ball, the presumption is the umpires put it there, because they rub down all the balls with it. They do wipe it off, but you know how that is, you're doing six dozen plus baseballs at a time, every day, ten dozen for a doubleheader. But, as long as a player doesn't put that on there, that's fine.

Not legal: Anything else. So much so that you cannot pitch with a bandaid on the fingers of your pitching hand. In particular, any part of your hand that touches the ball.

Now, the "illegal but...." that has pushed the line for years. Sunscreen. Using sunscreen on the back of your hands is legal. Of course, when you just spray that stuff on quick, there's overspray. Somebody noticed that the combination of sunscreen and rosin gave you more grip than rosin alone. Then the race was on to find the stickiest sunscreen that dried clear, and that turns out to be BullFrog sunscreen. So, pretty much everyone is now using it, and by using it, I mean spraying it all over their hands.

This is illegal but a known secret that generally doesn't get called out unless you are too obvious - like the guy who carefully applied sunscreen to his hands where the umpires could see him do it....in an indoor stadium. It's also considered a good idea if the pitchers have a little bit more grip, it is sunscreen so that's nice in the prevent cancer front, and everybody does it so there's no real advantage. (The advantage appears to be fairly small but real.) WHY has it been tolerated? Dunno.

ANYTHING ELSE is going to get you run immediately if you throw a pitch with it on your hands. The umpires can be merciful. If they spot something before you pitch, they can call on you to fix it, and if you do to their satisfaction, you're fine - but again, IF you haven't thrown a game pitch yet. If you have? Automatic ejection.

It seems probable that something new is out there that is giving a major grip advantage.

I suspect the fix is going to be prosaic, like the umps making you wash your hands before pitching. TV will love the chance for another commercial. Yay.  Maybe just a wet wipe and a dry towel is enough, the umps could carry that out to the mound easily and limit the time.

I also suspect the trend of stickum on catcher's gear may be related. I'd love someone with the details to look at, say, spin rates for Cardinals pitchers when the umpire throws the ball to the pitcher vs. spin rates when Molina throws the ball to the pitcher.

Who knows. I do think MLB is going to find out and make a few examples, because whatever it is, it's too good.
 
2021-06-09 5:10:05 PM  

I hereby demand that I be given a Fark account: And let's be clear.


What the hell, man, a well-written, informative, completely accurate comment in a fark thread? Who let you in here?

The wet wipe/dry towel thing isn't going to work, though, because pitchers dope up their hats, their gloves, their pants, wherever they want to hide that shiat, and unless it's super obvious (looking at you, Gallegos), a wet wipe and a dry towel aren't going to remove it.
 
2021-06-09 8:40:43 PM  
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