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(MSN)   "China's Wolf Warriors Are Turning the World Against Beijing." Subby suggests sending those fearsome diplomats each a copy of a movie about a man who's lost himself in his work and needs to find his way out: Disney's Christopher Robin   (msn.com) divider line
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6 days ago  
Chinese diplomats are ham-handed?  I'm shocked.  Shocked.
 
6 days ago  
They're going to bulldoze and colonize the world within a century.    Hope you like mining for batteries.
 
6 days ago  
"Paired with this sense of destiny is a growing belief that the West, and especially the U.S., has become weak, even decadent. Over the past two decades, China's political class has watched in amazement as the U.S. fumbled the wars in Afghanistan and Iraq and let internal divisions bring Congress to a near-standstill. The country's handling of the novel coronavirus, which it failed to contain until after more than 500,000 Americans had been killed, made the greatest impression"

Hard to argue with that part.
As to the back and forth in Alaska, the rest of the world saw it and the belief in the loss of hegemonic power is why we see Germany get Nord Stream 2 and the US suddenly decide to wave vaccine patents to help other nations.

If the US focused on fixing itself rather than competing with China we would do both. But since we aren't, we will not compete with them. We will go to war, hot or otherwise.
 
6 days ago  
China's wolf warriors ride side-saddle in the supermarket electric scooter so everyone can see the three wolves on their shirt.
 
6 days ago  

FrancoFile: Chinese diplomats are ham-handed?  I'm shocked.  Shocked.


American political advisers are ham faced.
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6 days ago  

The Googles Do Nothing: They're going to bulldoze and colonize the world within a century.    Hope you like mining for batteries.


They are going to collapse under their own weight in thirty years.

Hope you like your freedoms.
 
6 days ago  
Fun fact : china is turning the world against itself.

Maybe you should have put a bullet in Xi's head when he declared himself dictator instead of doing nothing uh?

Now hes turning China into a dystopian nightmare with concentration camps. It's like Xi watched Black Mirror and said : DAMN THATS A GOOD IDEA! And there the social credit scheme was set up. Now everything you do is being watched, recorded and rated by an AI and an army of brainwashed totalitarian secret police.

The soviet union at its worst is nothing compared to china 2021 and its only going to get worse. The longer the rest of the planet ignores this shiat, the worse its gonna be when it hits the fan. Same with NATO and the EU ignoring the shiat Russia does and funding their dictatorship with the nord stream pipeline.
 
6 days ago  
Huh. China has furries now. Good for them.
 
6 days ago  

Night Train to Wakanda: They are going to collapse under their own weight in thirty years.


To be fair (.gif), I've heard people saying that for the last 30 years.
 
6 days ago  

lolmao500: Fun fact : china is turning the world against itself.

Maybe you should have put a bullet in Xi's head when he declared himself dictator instead of doing nothing uh?

Now hes turning China into a dystopian nightmare with concentration camps. It's like Xi watched Black Mirror and said : DAMN THATS A GOOD IDEA! And there the social credit scheme was set up. Now everything you do is being watched, recorded and rated by an AI and an army of brainwashed totalitarian secret police.

The soviet union at its worst is nothing compared to china 2021 and its only going to get worse. The longer the rest of the planet ignores this shiat, the worse its gonna be when it hits the fan. Same with NATO and the EU ignoring the shiat Russia does and funding their dictatorship with the nord stream pipeline.


Sounds a lot like 19th and 20th century America to me. 

"Are you now or have you ever been a member of the Communist Party of the United States?"
 
6 days ago  
China is the John Frum superpower.
 
6 days ago  

Destructor: Huh. China has furries now. Good for them.


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6 days ago  
"Popularly known as "Wolf Warriors," after a series of blockbuster movies that depicted Chinese heroes vanquishing foreign foes..."

I don't know about those movies (yet), but "China Salesman" has got to be one of the more bonkers piece of movie propaganda outside of a Michael Bay film. If you are reading this and have not seen or heard of it, highly recommend at least checking out an online review. It's.... it's something to behold, I can tell you that.

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6 days ago  

Magnanimous_J: Night Train to Wakanda: They are going to collapse under their own weight in thirty years.

To be fair (.gif), I've heard people saying that for the last 30 years.


Eh, not really. They've been called "paper tigers", with a fake economy based on controlled currency they artificially devalue for thirty years. But their ramping up of re-education camps, military opposition to Hong Kong protestors, and how internal communications are monitored and used against critics of CCP and Xi Jin Ping, that run contrary to official state messaging, their rapid expansion of borders, concentration camps for Muslims. And they're rapidly approaching critical mass.

They also have a lot of international interests paying attention to how criticism of China from their own citizens has been met with push back.

At the rate they're going they are going to piss every body off and the world doesn't like bullies.
 
6 days ago  
Wolf Warrior? Like the movies?

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/I hear they are actually good action flicks, but oh so very China-centric. The Chinese lead is the cool hero guy with cool hero hair and cool hero glasses standing in cool hero lighting spouting cool hero quips after dispatching cool hero foes and getting the bodacious babe at the end. And the enemies are usually caucasians -- hey, fair is fair. We have our yellow peril movies, they can have their white threat popcorn flicks. Who are we to deny them their own Sly and Arnold blockbusters.
 
6 days ago  
So why is anyone suffering their diplomats? Kick them out and close their embassies.
 
6 days ago  

Ishkur: Wolf Warrior? Like the movies?

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/I hear they are actually good action flicks, but oh so very China-centric. The Chinese lead is the cool hero guy with cool hero hair and cool hero glasses standing in cool hero lighting spouting cool hero quips after dispatching cool hero foes and getting the bodacious babe at the end. And the enemies are usually caucasians -- hey, fair is fair. We have our yellow peril movies, they can have their white threat popcorn flicks. Who are we to deny them their own Sly and Arnold blockbusters.


I don't mind that, really. It's no different than everything America has pushed to the world for the past 100 years of Hollywood. It makes for an interesting take on international relations via movie star hyperbole.
 
6 days ago  

austerity101: So why is anyone suffering their diplomats? Kick them out and close their embassies.


That would be rude.
 
6 days ago  
Damn wolf raiders!
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Don't tryyyy to kill them with a forklift!
 
6 days ago  

Ishkur: Wolf Warrior? Like the movies?


/I hear they are actually good action flicks, but oh so very China-centric. The Chinese lead is the cool hero guy with cool hero hair and cool hero glasses standing in cool hero lighting spouting cool hero quips after dispatching cool hero foes and getting the bodacious babe at the end. And the enemies are usually caucasians -- hey, fair is fair. We have our yellow peril movies, they can have their white threat popcorn flicks. Who are we to deny them their own Sly and Arnold blockbusters.


Yeah, pretty much. I have only seen one, the second one I think, its was decent action movie, in the 80s style. Very patriotic, the guy sexually harasses his super hot commanding officer. The foreign villains are, well like 80s action villains. The man guy did his own stunts, at the end of the movie he showed the work they put it to get things right, like Jackie Chan movies.
 
6 days ago  
Oh dear. Steven's dad is going to be upset.

Beijing Corn: Taste Failure
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6 days ago  

FrancoFile: Chinese diplomats are ham-handed?  I'm shocked.  Shocked.


Didn't always be the case.

China was a pro at engaging with other countries without mentioning domestic politics.  Even if that country was criticizing Chinese domestic politics they'd just shrug and get down to the business of making money and expanding Chinese influence there. After all, what does their criticism really matter?

Now they are putting criticisms of China first and won't do business if other countries aren't on board with their narrative
 
6 days ago  

Destructor: austerity101: So why is anyone suffering their diplomats? Kick them out and close their embassies.

That would be rude hurt the feelings of the Chinese race


Harmonized that for you.
 
6 days ago  

Magnanimous_J: Night Train to Wakanda: They are going to collapse under their own weight in thirty years.

To be fair (.gif), I've heard people saying that for the last 30 years.


I'm convinced they haven't grown economically in years. I think the reason for the political clamp down is a result of this.
 
6 days ago  

nicholas m schumacher: "Popularly known as "Wolf Warriors," after a series of blockbuster movies that depicted Chinese heroes vanquishing foreign foes..."

I don't know about those movies (yet), but "China Salesman" has got to be one of the more bonkers piece of movie propaganda outside of a Michael Bay film. If you are reading this and have not seen or heard of it, highly recommend at least checking out an online review. It's.... it's something to behold, I can tell you that.


Just read the wikipedia page.  Steven Seagal as the most dangerous mercenary in the world and Mike Tyson?

okay fine.  I think I'll skip that one.
 
6 days ago  

b2theory: Magnanimous_J: Night Train to Wakanda: They are going to collapse under their own weight in thirty years.

To be fair (.gif), I've heard people saying that for the last 30 years.

I'm convinced they haven't grown economically in years. I think the reason for the political clamp down is a result of this.


Oh, it is growing. There are more people in the middle class. Now, how much is a house of cards, and creative accounting...lots. A whole lot of the country is operating like the WPA. China's issue will be when their boomers get too old to work and a lot of jobs being done by the uneducated (cleaners, janitors, road repair) drop from 10 people to 2-3. They is going to be a big push for robots in the next 2 decades to replace street sweepers and the like.
 
6 days ago  

ReaverZ: Ishkur: Wolf Warrior? Like the movies?


/I hear they are actually good action flicks, but oh so very China-centric. The Chinese lead is the cool hero guy with cool hero hair and cool hero glasses standing in cool hero lighting spouting cool hero quips after dispatching cool hero foes and getting the bodacious babe at the end. And the enemies are usually caucasians -- hey, fair is fair. We have our yellow peril movies, they can have their white threat popcorn flicks. Who are we to deny them their own Sly and Arnold blockbusters.

Yeah, pretty much. I have only seen one, the second one I think, its was decent action movie, in the 80s style. Very patriotic, the guy sexually harasses his super hot commanding officer. The foreign villains are, well like 80s action villains. The man guy did his own stunts, at the end of the movie he showed the work they put it to get things right, like Jackie Chan movies.


Ever see Dragon Blade?

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A silly bit of historical inventionism (involving Crassus' lost army along the silk road after Carrhae, stumbling upon a Han outpost) and a lot of things from costumes to protocol are hilariously inaccurate, but kind of a fascinating insight in how the Chinese regard the Roman Empire.

/and yes, Brody and Cusack totally dial it in. Hey, a paycheck is a paycheck
//no one tries to speak anyone else's language, except for Jackie who speaks serviceable English. They all just speak their native tongues, subtitles are provided, and they all pretend they can understand each other.
 
6 days ago  
There's an important consideration here. When the US and the USSR went toe to toe in the cold war, Europe was still rebuilding from WWII. They had to choose between being consumed by the Soviets immediately or at least a temporary stay of reprieve acting as a buffer to the US. They chose the US, and not the Soviets, and eventually without additional people to conquer and exploit the Soviet Union collapses.

Will that happen to China? Probably not for a while. A good deal of their population is still third world poor. There's plenty of land and resources to exploit before they need additional regions. What will happen to China though if they continue with their bellicose belligerence, is everyone will get sick of their shiat, and they'll eventual be isolated. Their current economy is built on labor and raw material exploitation combined with exports. If they need to be self sustained, as they've tried and only marginally succeeded at, over the past 10 years, they'll run into demand destruction and deflation as foreign cash inflows severely contract. Unfortunately, the European and American countries that cut ties may see inflation as their cost of sourcing raw materials and finished goods increase, but inflation can be dealt with easier than deflation.
 
6 days ago  

soopey: There's an important consideration here. When the US and the USSR went toe to toe in the cold war, Europe was still rebuilding from WWII. They had to choose between being consumed by the Soviets immediately or at least a temporary stay of reprieve acting as a buffer to the US. They chose the US, and not the Soviets, and eventually without additional people to conquer and exploit the Soviet Union collapses.

Will that happen to China? Probably not for a while. A good deal of their population is still third world poor. There's plenty of land and resources to exploit before they need additional regions. What will happen to China though if they continue with their bellicose belligerence, is everyone will get sick of their shiat, and they'll eventual be isolated. Their current economy is built on labor and raw material exploitation combined with exports. If they need to be self sustained, as they've tried and only marginally succeeded at, over the past 10 years, they'll run into demand destruction and deflation as foreign cash inflows severely contract. Unfortunately, the European and American countries that cut ties may see inflation as their cost of sourcing raw materials and finished goods increase, but inflation can be dealt with easier than deflation.


They have another economic problem ahead, since you mentioned labor-based economy; automation.

It's cheaper to just build the automated factory in the US, Canada or Mexico and not ship the phones back and forth by boat, or deal with their politics, or their competition literally stealing trade secrets by the binder full.

The only reason China's economy grew like it did was because they had unbeatably cheap labor to sell, but the moment automation overtakes labor...well...
 
6 days ago  
China wolf warriors are actually being told to STFU by Xi. The propaganda strategy is changing and the west is unprepared like it was against russian propaganda in 2015-2016.

China is about to Attack
Youtube x_dA4HJe5i0
 
6 days ago  

Clearly Canadian: soopey: There's an important consideration here. When the US and the USSR went toe to toe in the cold war, Europe was still rebuilding from WWII. They had to choose between being consumed by the Soviets immediately or at least a temporary stay of reprieve acting as a buffer to the US. They chose the US, and not the Soviets, and eventually without additional people to conquer and exploit the Soviet Union collapses.

Will that happen to China? Probably not for a while. A good deal of their population is still third world poor. There's plenty of land and resources to exploit before they need additional regions. What will happen to China though if they continue with their bellicose belligerence, is everyone will get sick of their shiat, and they'll eventual be isolated. Their current economy is built on labor and raw material exploitation combined with exports. If they need to be self sustained, as they've tried and only marginally succeeded at, over the past 10 years, they'll run into demand destruction and deflation as foreign cash inflows severely contract. Unfortunately, the European and American countries that cut ties may see inflation as their cost of sourcing raw materials and finished goods increase, but inflation can be dealt with easier than deflation.

They have another economic problem ahead, since you mentioned labor-based economy; automation.

It's cheaper to just build the automated factory in the US, Canada or Mexico and not ship the phones back and forth by boat, or deal with their politics, or their competition literally stealing trade secrets by the binder full.

The only reason China's economy grew like it did was because they had unbeatably cheap labor to sell, but the moment automation overtakes labor...well...


That's really the elephant in the room for China. As much as they like to saber rattle, and as much as they talk about their growing middle class, that entire middle class is still essentially supported by being a place that provides goods and services to the outside. They have nominal foreign investments, and one or two companies that have been remotely successful outside of China (at this point, basically Lucid Air and Tik Tok,) but that's really it. Even India at least has Tata Group. What's China's Tata Group?
 
6 days ago  

thatboyoverthere: lolmao500: Fun fact : china is turning the world against itself.

Maybe you should have put a bullet in Xi's head when he declared himself dictator instead of doing nothing uh?

Now hes turning China into a dystopian nightmare with concentration camps. It's like Xi watched Black Mirror and said : DAMN THATS A GOOD IDEA! And there the social credit scheme was set up. Now everything you do is being watched, recorded and rated by an AI and an army of brainwashed totalitarian secret police.

The soviet union at its worst is nothing compared to china 2021 and its only going to get worse. The longer the rest of the planet ignores this shiat, the worse its gonna be when it hits the fan. Same with NATO and the EU ignoring the shiat Russia does and funding their dictatorship with the nord stream pipeline.

Sounds a lot like 19th and 20th century America to me. 

"Are you now or have you ever been a member of the Communist Party of the United States?"


Maybe on the homefront but you're wrong elsewhere. Growing up in Eastern Europe everyone respected America and wanted to be as close to it as possible, some, like  myself eventually choosing to actually become Americans. Who outside of China wants to be Chinese?

America was seen as a land where if you work hard you can achieve much. I may not be rich but I do ok, I'd say I'm firmly entrenched in the middle class here. What promise does China hold for the citizens of the world?
 
6 days ago  

Nonrepeating Rotating Binary: nicholas m schumacher: "Popularly known as "Wolf Warriors," after a series of blockbuster movies that depicted Chinese heroes vanquishing foreign foes..."

I don't know about those movies (yet), but "China Salesman" has got to be one of the more bonkers piece of movie propaganda outside of a Michael Bay film. If you are reading this and have not seen or heard of it, highly recommend at least checking out an online review. It's.... it's something to behold, I can tell you that.

Just read the wikipedia page.  Steven Seagal as the most dangerous mercenary in the world and Mike Tyson?

okay fine.  I think I'll skip that one.


To be fair, Steven Seagal as a villain is actually pretty true to life.
 
6 days ago  

Meatsim1: FrancoFile: Chinese diplomats are ham-handed?  I'm shocked.  Shocked.

Didn't always be the case.

China was a pro at engaging with other countries without mentioning domestic politics.  Even if that country was criticizing Chinese domestic politics they'd just shrug and get down to the business of making money and expanding Chinese influence there. After all, what does their criticism really matter?

Now they are putting criticisms of China first and won't do business if other countries aren't on board with their narrative


I mean it reflects their view of how deference should be given. For years they were "up and coming" and turned a blind eye to the faults of those better established. Now they see themselves as transcendent and expect the entire world to grovel at their feet.
 
6 days ago  
To the rest of the world, we're the nation that elected a real estate hustler and reality show host to lead us. Outside of the US, who the hell respects a fool and a clown like Donald Trump? Of course this makes us look stupid and weak. Of course countries that don't like us very much see opportunities. Can you imagine Donald Trump facing off against Nikita Khrushchev over missiles in Cuba?
 
6 days ago  

Clearly Canadian: soopey: There's an important consideration here. When the US and the USSR went toe to toe in the cold war, Europe was still rebuilding from WWII. They had to choose between being consumed by the Soviets immediately or at least a temporary stay of reprieve acting as a buffer to the US. They chose the US, and not the Soviets, and eventually without additional people to conquer and exploit the Soviet Union collapses.

Will that happen to China? Probably not for a while. A good deal of their population is still third world poor. There's plenty of land and resources to exploit before they need additional regions. What will happen to China though if they continue with their bellicose belligerence, is everyone will get sick of their shiat, and they'll eventual be isolated. Their current economy is built on labor and raw material exploitation combined with exports. If they need to be self sustained, as they've tried and only marginally succeeded at, over the past 10 years, they'll run into demand destruction and deflation as foreign cash inflows severely contract. Unfortunately, the European and American countries that cut ties may see inflation as their cost of sourcing raw materials and finished goods increase, but inflation can be dealt with easier than deflation.

They have another economic problem ahead, since you mentioned labor-based economy; automation.

It's cheaper to just build the automated factory in the US, Canada or Mexico and not ship the phones back and forth by boat, or deal with their politics, or their competition literally stealing trade secrets by the binder full.

The only reason China's economy grew like it did was because they had unbeatably cheap labor to sell, but the moment automation overtakes labor...well...


I think you overestimate how cheap it is to do stuff on the continent. A lot of Chinese manufacturing losses are associated with increased relative labor costs compared to other countries in Asia. I'll agree there's a bit of just wanting to dodge Chinese-Western politics, but I don't yet see a massive U.S. manufacturing renaissance.

Oh and cheap low end labor isn't the only advantage population scale gives. They've been getting students educated all over the world and they have A LOT of well educated people to lean on. Their lack of freedoms may not be as good of a culture for R&D, but don't underestimate what an army of geniuses can get you.
 
6 days ago  

OptimisticCynicism: Clearly Canadian: soopey: There's an important consideration here. When the US and the USSR went toe to toe in the cold war, Europe was still rebuilding from WWII. They had to choose between being consumed by the Soviets immediately or at least a temporary stay of reprieve acting as a buffer to the US. They chose the US, and not the Soviets, and eventually without additional people to conquer and exploit the Soviet Union collapses.

Will that happen to China? Probably not for a while. A good deal of their population is still third world poor. There's plenty of land and resources to exploit before they need additional regions. What will happen to China though if they continue with their bellicose belligerence, is everyone will get sick of their shiat, and they'll eventual be isolated. Their current economy is built on labor and raw material exploitation combined with exports. If they need to be self sustained, as they've tried and only marginally succeeded at, over the past 10 years, they'll run into demand destruction and deflation as foreign cash inflows severely contract. Unfortunately, the European and American countries that cut ties may see inflation as their cost of sourcing raw materials and finished goods increase, but inflation can be dealt with easier than deflation.

They have another economic problem ahead, since you mentioned labor-based economy; automation.

It's cheaper to just build the automated factory in the US, Canada or Mexico and not ship the phones back and forth by boat, or deal with their politics, or their competition literally stealing trade secrets by the binder full.

The only reason China's economy grew like it did was because they had unbeatably cheap labor to sell, but the moment automation overtakes labor...well...

I think you overestimate how cheap it is to do stuff on the continent. A lot of Chinese manufacturing losses are associated with increased relative labor costs compared to other countries in Asia. I'll agree there's a bit ...


I also wouldn't oversell automation. I work in that field and fine task automation is still a very niche and unestablished field. Welding and gluing seams, pick and place for well registered PCBs, packaging systems, etc, yeah, the market covers it. But they started on those problems in the 70s, and just now they're mature. But by mature it still takes production runs of thousands or tens of thousands to earn back the cost on the engineering, tooling, and capital costs.

Fine placement of wire bundles, insertion of cables, overlays with inexact parts, short runs of equipment, complex parts, thin materials, materials prone to breakage, adhering non-homogenous materials together, and anything where repeatable tolerances can't be tuned down to millimeters all still skew towards human labor with eyeballs and attached brains.  Even big installations like oil refineries, ore smelters, chemical plants, water treatment, mining operations, and assorted widget producers measure their ROI in many years with regards to the automation required for anything more complex than a fart.
 
6 days ago  

BigNumber12: Destructor: austerity101: So why is anyone suffering their diplomats? Kick them out and close their embassies.

That would be rude hurt the feelings of the Chinese race

Harmonized that for you.


So long as that was approved by the Central Bureau, thank you Comrade.

/The CCP is all about Harmony.
 
6 days ago  

lolmao500: China wolf warriors are actually being told to STFU by Xi. The propaganda strategy is changing and the west is unprepared like it was against russian propaganda in 2015-2016.

[YouTube video: China is about to Attack]


I have been following that guy for years. His channel is a great example of what is going really wrong in China right now. Check out his video when he fled China with his wife and kid
 
6 days ago  
When China takes over the U.S. and forces us to work in an office there will be a rebellion like they've never seen.
 
6 days ago  
I was terribly disappointed when I checked the article and these weren't literal wolf warriors
 
6 days ago  

Ishkur: Dragon Blade


I can not remember. I either did and thought it was soo bad I forgot, or from the trailers thought it was so bad and didn't try. I think it was the second.
 
6 days ago  

b2theory: lolmao500: China wolf warriors are actually being told to STFU by Xi. The propaganda strategy is changing and the west is unprepared like it was against russian propaganda in 2015-2016.

[YouTube video: China is about to Attack]

I have been following that guy for years. His channel is a great example of what is going really wrong in China right now. Check out his video when he fled China with his wife and kid


He's not wrong. Marxist teachings are a farking blight and they've infiltrated deeper than most realize.
 
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