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(PBS)   Vaccinations go up. Covid-19 cases go down. You can't explain that   (pbs.org) divider line
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2021-06-08 8:06:15 PM  
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2021-06-08 8:06:25 PM  
I told you microchipping everyone would work.
 
2021-06-08 8:08:17 PM  
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Science biatches!
 
2021-06-08 8:08:58 PM  
Many people are dying to prove vaccinations don't work.
 
2021-06-08 8:10:33 PM  
actually, i think you can
 
2021-06-08 8:10:36 PM  
We've just reached "herd impunity"

The brother in law's term
 
2021-06-08 8:11:15 PM  
But I read a couple hours ago on this site that this summer was going to be a disaster. It even had the scary tag so it must be true.
 
2021-06-08 8:11:27 PM  
Weird, its almost like everything conservatives believe is the opposite of reality.
 
2021-06-08 8:13:14 PM  
Yes I can.

Its because anyone vaccinated is protected by the spell cast by baby-blood devouring Democrats and celebrities who use black magic .  This is by design because the vaccinations aren't really vaccinations but CRISPR that will soon change us into human-animal hybrids.  The research into this technology has been ongoing for decades, including a bat hybrid that escaped to temporary freedom back in June 1992 before Hillary'shiat squads tracked it down.  Interestingly enough that tracker squad featured another hybrid, a person mixed with a spider.

Anyway, its all Devil magic, just like Mama says.
 
2021-06-08 8:13:24 PM  
Bullshiat. Correlation does not imply causation.
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2021-06-08 8:14:29 PM  
It is almost as if masking up and staying out of groups and then vaccinations were a better idea than doing nothing and being ill. Whodathunkit?
 
2021-06-08 8:14:36 PM  
Yeah but there are also fewer pirates.


Unrelated, but it was really cute how that website disguised its location permission request as "Is wttw your local station".
 
2021-06-08 8:15:44 PM  
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2021-06-08 8:15:48 PM  
Its a nice trend, hopefully the newer, more contagious, variants won't fark that up for the people who got vaxxed.
 
2021-06-08 8:18:59 PM  
Farking 5G magnets?

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/At least according to the crazy osteopath lady who testified in Ohio
 
2021-06-08 8:19:52 PM  
As charts go, it isn't that informative.

What you want from a charting is to illustrate a clear relationship between two trends. However, just looking at the lines, no clear trend is evident. The rate of decrease in daily cases is very high even while the number of vaccinations is still low. The number of vaccinations increases significantly and the rate of new cases even increases a bit before it starts dropping.

We know that new infections among vaccinated people is very low. We know vaccinations are helping. What we don't know is the other factors that are specifically driving the various changes in the rate of new infections --- and clearly there are many beyond the number of administered vaccinations.

So, meh.
 
2021-06-08 8:20:17 PM  
Don't be silly. Covid-19 cases are only going down because Biden raised the cost of plywood and gasoline so it's harder to build testing sites and transport people to them. Less testing means less cases. Study it out.
 
2021-06-08 8:20:26 PM  

fragMasterFlash: Its a nice trend, hopefully the newer, more contagious, variants won't fark that up for the people who got vaxxed.


Delta apparently can break through immunity in older folks but the great thing is all the cases reported in Hong Kong were asymptomatic even though they tested positive (routine testing in nursing homes). Unless there's a mutation that's breakthrough and manages to cause hospitalizations I'm not panicking, and even then it's just back to WFH until they can come up with a booster.
 
2021-06-08 8:21:46 PM  

weddingsinger: Yes I can.

Its because anyone vaccinated is protected by the spell cast by baby-blood devouring Democrats and celebrities who use black magic .  This is by design because the vaccinations aren't really vaccinations but CRISPR that will soon change us into human-animal hybrids.  The research into this technology has been ongoing for decades, including a bat hybrid that escaped to temporary freedom back in June 1992 before Hillary'shiat squads tracked it down.  Interestingly enough that tracker squad featured another hybrid, a person mixed with a spider.

Anyway, its all Devil magic, just like Mama says.


Did... did you just rip off the plot of Sweet Tooth?
 
2021-06-08 8:22:57 PM  

Bertuccio: Yeah but there are also fewer pirates.


Unrelated, but it was really cute how that website disguised its location permission request as "Is wttw your local station".


It's almost like they wanted to give you relevant local news or something 🙄
 
2021-06-08 8:24:20 PM  

Eightballjacket: But I read a couple hours ago on this site that this summer was going to be a disaster. It even had the scary tag so it must be true.


This "site" is a news aggregator.
You may find articles here that contradict one another.
 
2021-06-08 8:24:26 PM  
According to the latest PBS NewsHour/NPR/Marist poll, 41 percent of Republicans said they did not intend to get vaccinated, compared to just 4 percent of Democrats.

I know I shouldn't be surprised at this point, but 41 percent is huge.  Even their orange god said they should get vaxxed.  This thing is going to be roaring through red areas all winter long.  At least they think all the (D) cities are under constant antifa attack, so maybe they'll stay the hell away.
 
2021-06-08 8:27:13 PM  
Who could have guessed that increasing the number of vaccinations would decrease the number of deaths?
 
2021-06-08 8:32:14 PM  

robodog: fragMasterFlash: Its a nice trend, hopefully the newer, more contagious, variants won't fark that up for the people who got vaxxed.

Delta apparently can break through immunity in older folks but the great thing is all the cases reported in Hong Kong were asymptomatic even though they tested positive (routine testing in nursing homes). Unless there's a mutation that's breakthrough and manages to cause hospitalizations I'm not panicking, and even then it's just back to WFH until they can come up with a booster.


Well except ....

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Hospitalisation +240% compared to original covid strain with same number of cases. Better get your double dose of vaxx, especially pfizer/moderna or else, prepare to get farked.
 
2021-06-08 8:36:11 PM  

mcnguyen: According to the latest PBS NewsHour/NPR/Marist poll, 41 percent of Republicans said they did not intend to get vaccinated, compared to just 4 percent of Democrats.

I know I shouldn't be surprised at this point, but 41 percent is huge.  Even their orange god said they should get vaxxed.  This thing is going to be roaring through red areas all winter long.  At least they think all the (D) cities are under constant antifa attack, so maybe they'll stay the hell away.


Hate to ruin your revenge fantasy, but if 41-percent of Pubs say they aren't planning to get vaccinated, that means 59-percent are or already have.

That's especially true among older people. So far, according to the CDC, more than 70-percent of U.S. adults over 65 are fully vaccinated. Maybe it's remembering polio getting people they knew or the knowledge that they don't have a lot of time left anyway, but old folks seem to be pretty consistent on not farking around, regardless of politics.

So, that 41-percent is likely people at a lower mortality risk.

Sorry, no Captain Trips for you.
 
2021-06-08 8:38:48 PM  

GloomCookie613: weddingsinger: Yes I can.

Its because anyone vaccinated is protected by the spell cast by baby-blood devouring Democrats and celebrities who use black magic .  This is by design because the vaccinations aren't really vaccinations but CRISPR that will soon change us into human-animal hybrids.  The research into this technology has been ongoing for decades, including a bat hybrid that escaped to temporary freedom back in June 1992 before Hillary'shiat squads tracked it down.  Interestingly enough that tracker squad featured another hybrid, a person mixed with a spider.

Anyway, its all Devil magic, just like Mama says.

Did... did you just rip off the plot of Sweet Tooth?


Did I?  Haven't watched it.

Instead I was mixing Qanon, shifted into BatBoy from Weekly World News and then dropped a mention of Spiderman in.

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2021-06-08 8:40:48 PM  
The Covid-19 vaccines contain Hillary Prions! The Covid-19 vaccines contain Hillary Prions! The Covid-19 vaccines contain //+++*NO CARRIER*
 
2021-06-08 8:43:51 PM  
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2021-06-08 8:45:38 PM  

weddingsinger: Instead I was mixing Qanon, shifted into BatBoy from Weekly World News and then dropped a mention of Spiderman in.


That mama bit wasn't from The Waterboy?
 
2021-06-08 8:51:57 PM  

BMFPitt: weddingsinger: Instead I was mixing Qanon, shifted into BatBoy from Weekly World News and then dropped a mention of Spiderman in.

That mama bit wasn't from The Waterboy?


Good catch.

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2021-06-08 8:52:19 PM  
Uh oh.  It was just reported that the earliest vaccine recipients have gone into comas.  I was one of the first in my area to
 
2021-06-08 8:53:05 PM  

GloomCookie613: Bertuccio: Yeah but there are also fewer pirates.


Unrelated, but it was really cute how that website disguised its location permission request as "Is wttw your local station".

It's almost like they wanted to give you relevant local news or something 🙄


No one collects your data for your benefit. And certainly not your location data.
 
2021-06-08 9:00:41 PM  

robodog: fragMasterFlash: Its a nice trend, hopefully the newer, more contagious, variants won't fark that up for the people who got vaxxed.

Delta apparently can break through immunity in older folks but the great thing is all the cases reported in Hong Kong were asymptomatic even though they tested positive (routine testing in nursing homes). Unless there's a mutation that's breakthrough and manages to cause hospitalizations I'm not panicking, and even then it's just back to WFH until they can come up with a booster.


Moderna and Pfizer already have the booster ready & testing. That's part of what's so amazing about mRNA vaccines.

Remember, the actual act of designing the Moderna vaccine was completed in one single weekend, two days after the sequence of the original Wuhan strain was released. Everything from January 13 until December was efficacy and safety testing.
 
2021-06-08 9:01:56 PM  

weddingsinger: GloomCookie613: weddingsinger: Yes I can.

Its because anyone vaccinated is protected by the spell cast by baby-blood devouring Democrats and celebrities who use black magic .  This is by design because the vaccinations aren't really vaccinations but CRISPR that will soon change us into human-animal hybrids.  The research into this technology has been ongoing for decades, including a bat hybrid that escaped to temporary freedom back in June 1992 before Hillary'shiat squads tracked it down.  Interestingly enough that tracker squad featured another hybrid, a person mixed with a spider.

Anyway, its all Devil magic, just like Mama says.

Did... did you just rip off the plot of Sweet Tooth?

Did I?  Haven't watched it.

Instead I was mixing Qanon, shifted into BatBoy from Weekly World News and then dropped a mention of Spiderman in.

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Def a good show. There are some hella parallels to the covid pandemic and the virus in the show. I really enjoyed the first season.

If you do watch and don't want to hug Bobby you have no soul.
 
2021-06-08 9:08:31 PM  

mofa: Bullshiat. Correlation does not imply causation.
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That made me laugh, thank you.

Also, c'mon, everyone knows the steep drop in January was everyone realizing what jerks they'd been "spreading the Christmas cheer" at Grandma's and going back on restriction.

The cases-to-vaccine causations really only kicked in later, around April.  That's the point at which 
A: The general adult population started getting vaccinated.
and
B: Enough vaccines had been shared around to suitably break transmission chains.

I imagine statisticians will tease out that the death-to-cases ratio started to get better starting in February, when those most at risk of dying started to get the first available shots.  Nursing home residents aren't particularly mobile, so they tend to be the end of a transmission chain.  Each vaccine given there prevents relatively few cases, but almost guarantees saving lives.

The vaccination of truckers, flight attendants, and essential workers living in another city are where the real societal savings of a vaccine comes in.  If a vaccinated trucker is exposed to COVID at a diner on his route, but got vaccinated, he won't get sick and spread it along at the next city; if the waitress at that diner is also vaccinated, then far fewer customers ultimately get sick, and the trucker might not have gotten exposed.  As a good percentage of possible transmission chains for the virus start running into vaccinated individuals, cases see a very real drop.  It's not "Herd" immunity, but it's getting a lot closer.
 
2021-06-08 9:15:36 PM  

wademh: As charts go, it isn't that informative.

What you want from a charting is to illustrate a clear relationship between two trends. However, just looking at the lines, no clear trend is evident. The rate of decrease in daily cases is very high even while the number of vaccinations is still low. The number of vaccinations increases significantly and the rate of new cases even increases a bit before it starts dropping.

We know that new infections among vaccinated people is very low. We know vaccinations are helping. What we don't know is the other factors that are specifically driving the various changes in the rate of new infections --- and clearly there are many beyond the number of administered vaccinations.

So, meh.


You're right.

Let's go back to the old way and see if nothing happens.
 
2021-06-08 9:29:15 PM  

mofa: Bullshiat. Correlation does not imply causation.
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True.  One year ago covid infections were also going down, and people were crediting masks, lock-downs, and washing their hands while singing, "Happy Birthday".  Then the cold weather hit...

The difference between these debunked rituals and vaccines is that vaccines are actually proven to work against covid, and work well.  The word of caution is that some of the effect we're seeing now is in fact seasonal.  The big test will come six months from now.  Keep getting vaccinated.  Winter is coming.
 
2021-06-08 9:39:04 PM  

stoli n coke: That's especially true among older people. So far, according to the CDC, more than 70-percent of U.S. adults over 65 are fully vaccinated. Maybe it's remembering polio getting people they knew or the knowledge that they don't have a lot of time left anyway, but old folks seem to be pretty consistent on not farking around, regardless of politics.


Polio, mumps, pertussis, measles, rubella, chicken pox - had all of them except polio. The Salk vaccine came out months after I was born.

I've had both shingles vaccines, both pneumonia vaccines, flu shot (super-duper because I'm old) every year, Tdap as recommended, two doses of Moderna.  My immune system is ready for just about anything.
 
2021-06-08 9:59:37 PM  

Gyrfalcon: wademh: As charts go, it isn't that informative.

What you want from a charting is to illustrate a clear relationship between two trends. However, just looking at the lines, no clear trend is evident. The rate of decrease in daily cases is very high even while the number of vaccinations is still low. The number of vaccinations increases significantly and the rate of new cases even increases a bit before it starts dropping.

We know that new infections among vaccinated people is very low. We know vaccinations are helping. What we don't know is the other factors that are specifically driving the various changes in the rate of new infections --- and clearly there are many beyond the number of administered vaccinations.

So, meh.


You're right.

Let's go back to the old way and see if nothing happens.


That's rather disingenuous of you. My critique is of the specific value of that specific graph, not the value of vaccinations. The fact that vaccination is working, and that anyone who can get vaccinated should get vaccinated, does not mean that everybody's plot of some data tells a useful tale. That plot was simply not very enlightening. If anything, it demonstrates that there's a great deal more going on than vaccination rate which only clouds the effect of vaccination. Luckily, we have other data that paints a far clearer picture than that plot.
 
2021-06-08 10:02:29 PM  

Jz4p: mofa: Bullshiat. Correlation does not imply causation.
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That made me laugh, thank you.

Also, c'mon, everyone knows the steep drop in January was everyone realizing what jerks they'd been "spreading the Christmas cheer" at Grandma's and going back on restriction.
...
The vaccination of truckers, flight attendants, and essential workers living in another city are where the real societal savings of a vaccine comes in.  If a vaccinated trucker is exposed to COVID at a diner on his route, but got vaccinated, he won't get sick and spread it along at the next city; if the waitress at that diner is also vaccinated, then far fewer customers ultimately get sick, and the trucker might not have gotten exposed.  As a good percentage of possible transmission chains for the virus start running into vaccinated individuals, cases see a very real drop.  It's not "Herd" immunity, but it's getting a lot closer.


You're welcome; I'm happy to hear that.
 
2021-06-08 10:08:21 PM  

lolmao500: robodog: fragMasterFlash: Its a nice trend, hopefully the newer, more contagious, variants won't fark that up for the people who got vaxxed.

Delta apparently can break through immunity in older folks but the great thing is all the cases reported in Hong Kong were asymptomatic even though they tested positive (routine testing in nursing homes). Unless there's a mutation that's breakthrough and manages to cause hospitalizations I'm not panicking, and even then it's just back to WFH until they can come up with a booster.

Well except ....

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Hospitalisation +240% compared to original covid strain with same number of cases. Better get your double dose of vaxx, especially pfizer/moderna or else, prepare to get farked.


Came for the doomer. Leaving satisfied and flaccid.
 
2021-06-08 10:09:24 PM  
This is terrible news for the Fark Doomsday Club. They're hoping some variant comes along so we lock down again, then they can stay at home and be fat there, rather than go back to the office where everyone hates them.

/it's a sticky wicket
 
2021-06-08 10:09:55 PM  

Jz4p: mofa: Bullshiat. Correlation does not imply causation.
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That made me laugh, thank you.

Also, c'mon, everyone knows the steep drop in January was everyone realizing what jerks they'd been "spreading the Christmas cheer" at Grandma's and going back on restriction.

The cases-to-vaccine causations really only kicked in later, around April.  That's the point at which 
A: The general adult population started getting vaccinated.
and
B: Enough vaccines had been shared around to suitably break transmission chains.

I imagine statisticians will tease out that the death-to-cases ratio started to get better starting in February, when those most at risk of dying started to get the first available shots.  Nursing home residents aren't particularly mobile, so they tend to be the end of a transmission chain.  Each vaccine given there prevents relatively few cases, but almost guarantees saving lives.

The vaccination of truckers, flight attendants, and essential workers living in another city are where the real societal savings of a vaccine comes in.  If a vaccinated trucker is exposed to COVID at a diner on his route, but got vaccinated, he won't get sick and spread it along at the next city; if the waitress at that diner is also vaccinated, then far fewer customers ultimately get sick, and the trucker might not have gotten exposed.  As a good percentage of possible transmission chains for the virus start running into vaccinated individuals, cases see a very real drop.  It's not "Herd" immunity, but it's getting a lot closer.


Cases curiously collapse around the time Biden took office. Coincidence?
 
2021-06-08 10:10:59 PM  

OrangeSnapper: mofa: Bullshiat. Correlation does not imply causation.
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True.  One year ago covid infections were also going down, and people were crediting masks, lock-downs, and washing their hands while singing, "Happy Birthday".  Then the cold weather hit...

The difference between these debunked rituals and vaccines is that vaccines are actually proven to work against covid, and work well.  The word of caution is that some of the effect we're seeing now is in fact seasonal.  The big test will come six months from now.  Keep getting vaccinated.  Winter is coming.


Weird. I was told masks and social distancing solved everything. Why you lie?
 
2021-06-08 10:34:58 PM  

bobbyjoebobby: Weird. I was told masks and social distancing solved everything. Why you lie?


No you weren't. You were told masks and social distancing helped reduced spread, which is distinctly different from solving everything.
 
2021-06-08 10:36:26 PM  

OrangeSnapper: mofa: Bullshiat. Correlation does not imply causation.
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True.  One year ago covid infections were also going down, and people were crediting masks, lock-downs, and washing their hands while singing, "Happy Birthday".  Then the cold weather hit...

The difference between these debunked rituals and vaccines is that vaccines are actually proven to work against covid, and work well.  The word of caution is that some of the effect we're seeing now is in fact seasonal.  The big test will come six months from now.  Keep getting vaccinated.  Winter is coming.


As idiots added and removed restrictions the plot of new cases tracked exactly as expected.  That happened in dozens of countries.  You can find all that data if you actually want it - I'm sure you don't.  You can also find the data in the experiences of healthcare workers - masks and communicable disease protocols works.  You can also just look at the data and see that cases per day were still going up in the US in June and July of last year.  So while I applaud your effort to convince people to get vaccinated, your "masks don't work" bullshiat that you posted needs to be stomped on hard.
 
2021-06-08 10:36:59 PM  
Imagine the rate of Covid cases and deaths among the general population.

Now imagine two populations, those who are vaccinated and those who are not vaccinated.

The rate of death among people hospitalized with Covid-19 is really two sub-populations. 99% of cases are among the unvaccinated and 1%, the remainder, among people recently vaccinated who caught the Covid-19 before the vaccine could help them or caught a new strain against which they are not protected by whatever vaccine or vaccines they got.

It's a world of diference. It's a world of funny statistics.

But mostly it's a small world, a small world after all:  sing! Sing until you are sick of it!

It's a small world after all,

It's a small world after all

It's a small world after all

It's a small, small world.


Now for the first time you are safer in Disney's Small World ride than you are riding a bus.
 
2021-06-08 10:40:50 PM  
If we could prise the effects of lock-downs, distancing and mask wearing out of the death certificates, what would the difference be between the small world of fully vaccinated, mask-wearing, social-distancing vaccine-believers and the insane world of unvaccinated conspiracy-theorists doing nothing to protect themselves, their families, their friends, their business-associates and the rest of us?

What percentage of the former complex and varied group would be among the dead or vulnerable and what percentage of the Usual Gang of Idiots would be dead or vulnerable?

Just Imagine.

You can do it if you try.

I feel another obnoxious brain-worm song coming on!

Everybody sing!
 
2021-06-08 10:42:26 PM  
Just to make this thread more cruel:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hsxkm​s​PssT0

The above link is not a Rick Roll.
 
2021-06-08 10:45:01 PM  
 
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