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(The Hollywood Reporter)   GRRM decides to take a well-earned break from writing The Winds of Winter   (hollywoodreporter.com) divider line
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2021-06-08 2:02:40 PM  
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2021-06-08 5:28:25 PM  
They should make it a musical like Lord of the Rings.
 
2021-06-08 5:30:13 PM  
And nothing of value was lost.
 
2021-06-08 5:38:00 PM  
Fat Man can stop writing when he's dead.
 
2021-06-08 5:47:15 PM  

OkieDookie: Fat Man can stop writing when he's dead.


He can stop whenever he wants. Dozens of great fantasy series have started and have been completed since he started writing this, so it's not like there's nothing else to read.
 
2021-06-08 5:47:25 PM  
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Say what you want about the STORY never ending, at least Jordan pumped out books
 
2021-06-08 5:48:13 PM  

Lumbar Puncture: OkieDookie: Fat Man can stop writing when he's dead.

He can stop whenever he wants. Dozens of great fantasy series have started and have been completed since he started writing this, so it's not like there's nothing else to read.


GRRM has written some himself. He writes, just not the promised books
 
2021-06-08 5:52:00 PM  

leeksfromchichis: [encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com image 474x647]

Say what you want about the STORY never ending, at least Jordan pumped out books


Yeah, at this point, I fully expect GRRM to die before finishing, and someone else will have the job of cleaning up the mess and trying to come up with some kind of functional ending to the series. I wonder if GRRM will leave notes and outlines like Jordan did, or whether it will be just a giant mess with no direction?

/we all know it will be a giant mess
 
2021-06-08 5:52:10 PM  
Oh yeah. I forgot that was meant to be a book and not just a disappointing HBO season.
 
2021-06-08 5:53:04 PM  

KiltedBastich: leeksfromchichis: [encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com image 474x647]

Say what you want about the STORY never ending, at least Jordan pumped out books

Yeah, at this point, I fully expect GRRM to die before finishing, and someone else will have the job of cleaning up the mess and trying to come up with some kind of functional ending to the series. I wonder if GRRM will leave notes and outlines like Jordan did, or whether it will be just a giant mess with no direction?

/we all know it will be a giant mess


There can be a competition for better/worse than the HBO ending.

/I don't know how you could do worse
//but I'm often surprised by how bad things can be
 
2021-06-08 6:02:06 PM  

Gubbo: KiltedBastich: leeksfromchichis: [encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com image 474x647]

Say what you want about the STORY never ending, at least Jordan pumped out books

Yeah, at this point, I fully expect GRRM to die before finishing, and someone else will have the job of cleaning up the mess and trying to come up with some kind of functional ending to the series. I wonder if GRRM will leave notes and outlines like Jordan did, or whether it will be just a giant mess with no direction?

/we all know it will be a giant mess

There can be a competition for better/worse than the HBO ending.

/I don't know how you could do worse
//but I'm often surprised by how bad things can be


Brian Herbert & Kevin J. Anderson will split the award.
 
2021-06-08 6:44:12 PM  
I'll miss these threads more than the last 2 imaginary books.
 
2021-06-08 6:48:39 PM  

OkieDookie: Fat Man can stop writing when he's dead.


He's too busy buying weird little caps.
 
2021-06-08 6:58:35 PM  

KiltedBastich: leeksfromchichis: [encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com image 474x647]

Say what you want about the STORY never ending, at least Jordan pumped out books

Yeah, at this point, I fully expect GRRM to die before finishing, and someone else will have the job of cleaning up the mess and trying to come up with some kind of functional ending to the series. I wonder if GRRM will leave notes and outlines like Jordan did, or whether it will be just a giant mess with no direction?

/we all know it will be a giant mess


Nope he has specific instructions against that and for any notes or related material to be destroyed to prevent another author from finishing it.

The show will likely serve as the functional conclusion, which is more than many other unfinished series can say.
 
2021-06-08 7:02:22 PM  

leeksfromchichis: [encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com image 474x647]

Say what you want about the STORY never ending, at least Jordan pumped out books


Yeah but that was certainly a series where less books would've been better anyway. He didn't finish them and padded it out with stuff that made it worse instead of better. That's not an improvement.
 
2021-06-08 7:10:27 PM  
Already been done
Game of Thrones : The Musical (feat. Jon Snow,Ramsay Snow, Tyrion Lannister and Jaime Lannister)
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2021-06-08 7:12:08 PM  

JasonOfOrillia: They should make it a musical like Lord of the Rings.


Came here to say "Musical or GTFO."
 
2021-06-08 7:22:20 PM  

Lumbar Puncture: leeksfromchichis: [encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com image 474x647]

Say what you want about the STORY never ending, at least Jordan pumped out books

Yeah but that was certainly a series where less books would've been better anyway. He didn't finish them and padded it out with stuff that made it worse instead of better. That's not an improvement.


It was something to read, dammit.

Also there's like a whole book of nuns tying up and spanking each other. that's literature!
 
2021-06-08 7:39:07 PM  
George demands more sacrifice
 
2021-06-08 7:41:22 PM  

leeksfromchichis: Lumbar Puncture: leeksfromchichis: [encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com image 474x647]

Say what you want about the STORY never ending, at least Jordan pumped out books

Yeah but that was certainly a series where less books would've been better anyway. He didn't finish them and padded it out with stuff that made it worse instead of better. That's not an improvement.

It was something to read, dammit.

Also there's like a whole book of nuns tying up and spanking each other. that's literature!


Oh christ I never thought of it like that. Don't let reddit hear about this version.

Who am I kidding, there's probably 15 Aes Sedai erotica sub-reddits and that's a low estimate.
 
2021-06-08 7:49:31 PM  

Shakes999: leeksfromchichis: Lumbar Puncture: leeksfromchichis: [encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com image 474x647]

Say what you want about the STORY never ending, at least Jordan pumped out books

Yeah but that was certainly a series where less books would've been better anyway. He didn't finish them and padded it out with stuff that made it worse instead of better. That's not an improvement.

It was something to read, dammit.

Also there's like a whole book of nuns tying up and spanking each other. that's literature!

Oh christ I never thought of it like that. Don't let reddit hear about this version.

Who am I kidding, there's probably 15 Aes Sedai erotica sub-reddits and that's a low estimate.


I didn't even really like that entire subplot, but years later, I don't remember even the name of the bad guys or most of the battles.

Nope, it's braid pulling, "the taint" phrasing!,  and wicked zoot in tarvalen.
 
2021-06-08 7:52:16 PM  
In before "huh huh guess Sanderson will have to finish this one too."

Fark no. He's busy with his own far-superior work.
 
2021-06-08 7:59:17 PM  

KiltedBastich: leeksfromchichis: [encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com image 474x647]

Say what you want about the STORY never ending, at least Jordan pumped out books

Yeah, at this point, I fully expect GRRM to die before finishing, and someone else will have the job of cleaning up the mess and trying to come up with some kind of functional ending to the series.


No, they won't (probably). GRRM has said that he won't let what happened to Robert Jordan happen to him if he dies before finishing. Presumably he's put it in his will that no one gets to finish it until it passes into the public domain. So unless his executor is a corrupt son of a biatch, look forward to reading A Dream of Spring ca. 2075.
 
2021-06-08 8:00:04 PM  

Andric: In before "huh huh guess Sanderson will have to finish this one too."

Fark no. He's busy with his own far-superior work.


Anthony Ryan or Christian Cameron could knock out the rest of the series in 18 months tops. Those dudes pump out a remarkable amount of consistent fantasy.
 
2021-06-08 8:00:50 PM  

Lumbar Puncture: KiltedBastich: leeksfromchichis: [encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com image 474x647]

Say what you want about the STORY never ending, at least Jordan pumped out books

Yeah, at this point, I fully expect GRRM to die before finishing, and someone else will have the job of cleaning up the mess and trying to come up with some kind of functional ending to the series. I wonder if GRRM will leave notes and outlines like Jordan did, or whether it will be just a giant mess with no direction?

/we all know it will be a giant mess

Nope he has specific instructions against that and for any notes or related material to be destroyed to prevent another author from finishing it.

The show will likely serve as the functional conclusion, which is more than many other unfinished series can say.


Ah, I should read the whole thread.
 
2021-06-08 8:05:05 PM  
There are better fantasy writers publishing on Kindle Unlimited now, let alone new masters like Sanderson.
 
2021-06-08 8:39:38 PM  
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2021-06-08 9:06:57 PM  
He's never going to finish the books, folks.  Don't hope for it; don't wait for it.  It's never going to happen.  I'll be shocked beyond the capacity for rational thought if it gets released any time in the next decade...if he lives long enough to publish it, that is.

It's weird too, because even though the fanbase is all tuckered out after whinging their asses off about Season 8, they'd probably climb all over themselves to buy the next book just to see how his version continues the story.  The book would practically projectile-vomit stacks of money in his face, and yet he can't be arsed to finish it.  So...to hell with it, then.
 
2021-06-09 12:05:03 AM  
I hope he does finish the books, I enjoy them quite a bit. Can't really blame him for not being eager to finish though. His audience is bigger and more hostile than he ever thought it would be and after seeing the response from the last season of the show, there's no way he doesn't know he's going to get eviscerated regardless of how the story turns out. So what's his motivation to put himself through that?
 
2021-06-09 12:32:10 AM  

AgtSmithReloaded: He's never going to finish the books, folks.  Don't hope for it; don't wait for it.  It's never going to happen.  I'll be shocked beyond the capacity for rational thought if it gets released any time in the next decade...if he lives long enough to publish it, that is.

It's weird too, because even though the fanbase is all tuckered out after whinging their asses off about Season 8, they'd probably climb all over themselves to buy the next book just to see how his version continues the story.  The book would practically projectile-vomit stacks of money in his face, and yet he can't be arsed to finish it.  So...to hell with it, then.


Agree.

If the HBO ending didn't light a fire under his giant ass to rewrite and defend his epic finale, then there was never an epic finale to begin with.

The fact that he didn't rush to correct the missteps of S8 tells you that S8 probably wasn't a whole lot of missteps.
 
2021-06-09 1:54:14 AM  

Boojum2k: There are better fantasy writers publishing on Kindle Unlimited now, let alone new masters like Sanderson.


Brian McClellan
 
2021-06-09 1:55:53 AM  

karl2025: His audience is bigger and more hostile than he ever thought it would be


Mostly because the fat fark won't finish the series
 
2021-06-09 2:11:33 AM  

Brynden Rivers: KiltedBastich: leeksfromchichis: [encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com image 474x647]

Say what you want about the STORY never ending, at least Jordan pumped out books

Yeah, at this point, I fully expect GRRM to die before finishing, and someone else will have the job of cleaning up the mess and trying to come up with some kind of functional ending to the series.

No, they won't (probably). GRRM has said that he won't let what happened to Robert Jordan happen to him if he dies before finishing. Presumably he's put it in his will that no one gets to finish it until it passes into the public domain. So unless his executor is a corrupt son of a biatch, look forward to reading A Dream of Spring ca. 2075.


Let what happened to Jordan happen to him? Like what? Having a younger and more focused writer come in, clean up and bring together what story lines they could, and end the series in a decent manner all while releasing on a schedule? God for-farking-bid that should happen.....and I like the WoT series.

Haven't read GRRM's series yet, cause after dealing with Jordan with WoT and King with DT (at the same damn time) and now Rothfuss's dicking about, I'll get to GRRM when he finishes the series or live with the show which apparently went off of his notes in case he were to die.
 
2021-06-09 2:18:51 AM  

Brynden Rivers: Lumbar Puncture: KiltedBastich: leeksfromchichis: [encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com image 474x647]

Say what you want about the STORY never ending, at least Jordan pumped out books

Yeah, at this point, I fully expect GRRM to die before finishing, and someone else will have the job of cleaning up the mess and trying to come up with some kind of functional ending to the series. I wonder if GRRM will leave notes and outlines like Jordan did, or whether it will be just a giant mess with no direction?

/we all know it will be a giant mess

Nope he has specific instructions against that and for any notes or related material to be destroyed to prevent another author from finishing it.

The show will likely serve as the functional conclusion, which is more than many other unfinished series can say.

Ah, I should read the whole thread.


Most of Franz Kafka's stuff was published posthumously, after he left orders to destroy it all when he died.

"Dearest Max, my last request: Everything I leave behind me ... in the way of diaries, manuscripts, letters (my own and others'), sketches, and so on, [is] to be burned unread." - Franz Kafka

"Fark that shiat, this is getting published." - Max Brod
 
2021-06-09 3:05:07 AM  
Bugger! That's some fierce competition for my off-off-Broadway show Incest: The Musical.

/ Who am I kidding: off-off-off-Broadway.
 
2021-06-09 7:42:16 AM  

Dibikad: Brynden Rivers: KiltedBastich: leeksfromchichis: [encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com image 474x647]

Say what you want about the STORY never ending, at least Jordan pumped out books

Yeah, at this point, I fully expect GRRM to die before finishing, and someone else will have the job of cleaning up the mess and trying to come up with some kind of functional ending to the series.

No, they won't (probably). GRRM has said that he won't let what happened to Robert Jordan happen to him if he dies before finishing. Presumably he's put it in his will that no one gets to finish it until it passes into the public domain. So unless his executor is a corrupt son of a biatch, look forward to reading A Dream of Spring ca. 2075.

Let what happened to Jordan happen to him? Like what? Having a younger and more focused writer come in, clean up and bring together what story lines they could, and end the series in a decent manner all while releasing on a schedule? God for-farking-bid that should happen.....and I like the WoT series.

Haven't read GRRM's series yet, cause after dealing with Jordan with WoT and King with DT (at the same damn time) and now Rothfuss's dicking about, I'll get to GRRM when he finishes the series or live with the show which apparently went off of his notes in case he were to die.


I was 3 seasons in before I decided to try the books. I hated them, they were actively ruining my enjoyment of the show. Got about 3 chapters in to book 2 and put em down forever. Show was, for once, much better than the books.
 
2021-06-09 7:48:04 AM  

Lumbar Puncture: leeksfromchichis: [encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com image 474x647]

Say what you want about the STORY never ending, at least Jordan pumped out books

Yeah but that was certainly a series where less books would've been better anyway. He didn't finish them and padded it out with stuff that made it worse instead of better. That's not an improvement.


The Great Waste of Time started mediocre and went downhill fast. I got past "Girls delicately stroke their moist flower and boys who play with their wands grow hair on their palms and go mad." Reached my Eye of Argon limit with the het boy lesbian spanking fantasies.
 
2021-06-09 8:57:00 AM  

leeksfromchichis: [encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com image 474x647]

Say what you want about the STORY never ending, at least Jordan pumped out books


Why do writers wear weird hats?  This guy, GRRM and Pratchett spring to mind.  We deserve the truth!
 
2021-06-09 9:07:57 AM  

Shakes999: Dibikad: Brynden Rivers: KiltedBastich: leeksfromchichis: [encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com image 474x647]

Say what you want about the STORY never ending, at least Jordan pumped out books

Yeah, at this point, I fully expect GRRM to die before finishing, and someone else will have the job of cleaning up the mess and trying to come up with some kind of functional ending to the series.

No, they won't (probably). GRRM has said that he won't let what happened to Robert Jordan happen to him if he dies before finishing. Presumably he's put it in his will that no one gets to finish it until it passes into the public domain. So unless his executor is a corrupt son of a biatch, look forward to reading A Dream of Spring ca. 2075.

Let what happened to Jordan happen to him? Like what? Having a younger and more focused writer come in, clean up and bring together what story lines they could, and end the series in a decent manner all while releasing on a schedule? God for-farking-bid that should happen.....and I like the WoT series.

Haven't read GRRM's series yet, cause after dealing with Jordan with WoT and King with DT (at the same damn time) and now Rothfuss's dicking about, I'll get to GRRM when he finishes the series or live with the show which apparently went off of his notes in case he were to die.

I was 3 seasons in before I decided to try the books. I hated them, they were actively ruining my enjoyment of the show. Got about 3 chapters in to book 2 and put em down forever. Show was, for once, much better than the books.


Well, I guess you dodged a bullet then. The books took a big turn for the worse after the 3rd. Book 4 doubles down on new characters and meandering plot excursions that are almost certainly a huge waste of the reader's time. Book 5 does a fair amount of that too but actually pulls a lot of it together near the end and almost brought a lot of plotlines to a climax. Almost. 10+ years later, that's the most infuriating thing. GRRM tied up one subplot in a fiery conclusion and it looked like might finally have it in him to move out. It's 10+ years later now and obviously he's doing anything any everything but that.
 
2021-06-09 9:26:04 AM  

karl2025: I hope he does finish the books, I enjoy them quite a bit. Can't really blame him for not being eager to finish though. His audience is bigger and more hostile than he ever thought it would be and after seeing the response from the last season of the show, there's no way he doesn't know he's going to get eviscerated regardless of how the story turns out. So what's his motivation to put himself through that?


This almost makes it sound like his slowness is due to the show getting so popular, but he had already slowed to a crawl before the show even started.

The show debuted in 2011, the same year he published A Dance With Dragons. By that point, it had already been six years since his last book, A Feast for Crows, and it was five years before that since book #3.

So in the 11 years from 2001 to the show's debut, two books in the series were released.

He had already hit that wall by the time the show got popular. Many of us were saying even then the series would never get finished (and it won't).

Blaming the fans is pointing the finger in the wrong direction. The blame lies in one place and one place only: With George R.R. Martin.
 
2021-06-09 10:06:51 AM  

anuran: Lumbar Puncture: leeksfromchichis: [encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com image 474x647]

Say what you want about the STORY never ending, at least Jordan pumped out books

Yeah but that was certainly a series where less books would've been better anyway. He didn't finish them and padded it out with stuff that made it worse instead of better. That's not an improvement.

The Great Waste of Time started mediocre and went downhill fast. I got past "Girls delicately stroke their moist flower and boys who play with their wands grow hair on their palms and go mad." Reached my Eye of Argon limit with the het boy lesbian spanking fantasies.


I was reading it at the same time I was going through The Sword of Truth and it was a a nice break from BDSM and rape fantasies.
 
2021-06-09 11:55:35 AM  

shoegaze99: karl2025: I hope he does finish the books, I enjoy them quite a bit. Can't really blame him for not being eager to finish though. His audience is bigger and more hostile than he ever thought it would be and after seeing the response from the last season of the show, there's no way he doesn't know he's going to get eviscerated regardless of how the story turns out. So what's his motivation to put himself through that?

This almost makes it sound like his slowness is due to the show getting so popular, but he had already slowed to a crawl before the show even started.

The show debuted in 2011, the same year he published A Dance With Dragons. By that point, it had already been six years since his last book, A Feast for Crows, and it was five years before that since book #3.

So in the 11 years from 2001 to the show's debut, two books in the series were released.

He had already hit that wall by the time the show got popular. Many of us were saying even then the series would never get finished (and it won't).

Blaming the fans is pointing the finger in the wrong direction. The blame lies in one place and one place only: With George R.R. Martin.


I agree. It was obvious a couple chapters into Feast.
 
2021-06-09 3:22:37 PM  

Tannhauser: leeksfromchichis: [encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com image 474x647]

Say what you want about the STORY never ending, at least Jordan pumped out books

Why do writers wear weird hats?  This guy, GRRM and Pratchett spring to mind.  We deserve the truth!


Writers are weird.  Sci-Fi/Fantasy Writers doubly so.
 
2021-06-09 4:52:08 PM  

Slow To Return: AgtSmithReloaded: He's never going to finish the books, folks.  Don't hope for it; don't wait for it.  It's never going to happen.  I'll be shocked beyond the capacity for rational thought if it gets released any time in the next decade...if he lives long enough to publish it, that is.

It's weird too, because even though the fanbase is all tuckered out after whinging their asses off about Season 8, they'd probably climb all over themselves to buy the next book just to see how his version continues the story.  The book would practically projectile-vomit stacks of money in his face, and yet he can't be arsed to finish it.  So...to hell with it, then.

Agree.

If the HBO ending didn't light a fire under his giant ass to rewrite and defend his epic finale, then there was never an epic finale to begin with.

The fact that he didn't rush to correct the missteps of S8 tells you that S8 probably wasn't a whole lot of missteps.


EXACTLY.

If I was GRRM and I had a vision of how I wanted A Song of Ice and Fire to end, and I watched Season 8 tear that all to shreds, I would be beside myself with outrage and I would make every possible effort to put out the ending that I, the man who created Westeros, its lore and everyone involved with it, believed my epic story and its characters deserved.

And yet, there he is, looking and acting like he doesn't give a shiat, which tells me one or both of the following:

1.  He actually doesn't give a shiat
2.  He never actually had an ending planned out no matter what he may have said to the contrary, and he's not bothered enough by D&D's version to write a different one
 
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