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(Times of Israel)   First Bibi called his election loss a "fraud." Then he blamed the "deep state." Now, the ultra-Orthodox parties headed to the opposition are calling Naftali Bennett a wicked, Reform Jew   (timesofisrael.com) divider line
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2021-06-08 8:13:50 AM  
Racist farks are raciest

Go figure
 
2021-06-08 8:31:35 AM  
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old boss same as the new boss

fark Israel

/antizionism =/= anti-Semitism
//BDS
 
2021-06-08 8:56:58 AM  
"The new government is going to destroy the Jewish identity and character of the state, which allows us to live together," says Deri.


Have you, uh, have you paid any attention to the last, oh I don't know......forever?
 
2021-06-08 9:25:37 AM  
FTFA: Shas leader Aryeh Deri says: "The Jewish state is in danger. This is the uprooting of religion in the state."

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If you want a religious state so bad, there's one already close by, and it ain't a democracy.
 
2021-06-08 9:27:30 AM  

Somacandra: FTFA: Shas leader Aryeh Deri says: "The Jewish state is in danger. This is the uprooting of religion in the state."

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If you want a religious state so bad, there's one already close by, and it ain't a democracy.


Sadly, if you'd ask most of them if they would want an Israeli government that would enforce (their strict interpretation of) Torah law, then would say yes. It's more important than democracy.
 
2021-06-08 9:29:06 AM  
Oh, and the vast majority of them have never met a Reform Jew in their lives -- even though the vast majority of American Jews are Reform or unaffiliated.

They don't even understand what "Reform" means -- it's just a catch-all insult for them to use.
 
2021-06-08 9:32:24 AM  

Giant Clown Shoe: fark Israel


It's important to remember that Israel is a complex and multifaceted set of communities with lots of different internal subcultures and populations. It can't be reduced to the Haredi political impulse anymore than the US can be reduced to the MAGAt crowd. There is a lot more freedom of discourse in Israeli society *about Israel* than there is in the US.
 
2021-06-08 9:41:56 AM  
Are PMs giving special tours of the Knesset yet?
 
2021-06-08 9:44:23 AM  

Somacandra: Giant Clown Shoe: fark Israel

It's important to remember that Israel is a complex and multifaceted set of communities with lots of different internal subcultures and populations. It can't be reduced to the Haredi political impulse anymore than the US can be reduced to the MAGAt crowd. There is a lot more freedom of discourse in Israeli society *about Israel* than there is in the US.


Many parts of the African Savannah are also nice, but if a lion is chewing on your leg, that's what you tend to focus on.
 
2021-06-08 9:47:15 AM  

bostonguy: Oh, and the vast majority of them have never met a Reform Jew in their lives -- even though the vast majority of American Jews are Reform or unaffiliated.

They don't even understand what "Reform" means -- it's just a catch-all insult for them to use.


Random side note: There are a small number of Reform Jews in Israel. But they are more similar to Conservative Jews in America.
 
2021-06-08 10:01:21 AM  
I'm surprised that rich American evangelical farks like the Hobby Lobby and Chic Fila people haven't dumped millions into pushing a "jews for jesus" party over there.
 
2021-06-08 10:02:10 AM  
Sucks that people still pay attention to these backwards chucklefarks in 2021. This goes for any religion. Stop pandering to people who believe in magic and make-believe and maybe they'll finally fark off for all eternity.
 
2021-06-08 10:02:37 AM  

Great_Milenko: I'm surprised that rich American evangelical farks like the Hobby Lobby and Chic Fila people haven't dumped millions into pushing a "jews for jesus" party over there.


Too busy funding ISIS by purchasing illegal historical artifacts for their "churches."
 
2021-06-08 10:02:43 AM  

bostonguy: bostonguy: Oh, and the vast majority of them have never met a Reform Jew in their lives -- even though the vast majority of American Jews are Reform or unaffiliated.

They don't even understand what "Reform" means -- it's just a catch-all insult for them to use.

Random side note: There are a small number of Reform Jews in Israel. But they are more similar to Conservative Jews in America.


Compared to the Haredi, Missouri Synod Lutherans are more closely related to Conservative Jews.
 
2021-06-08 10:03:28 AM  
This is what Donald J. Trump's aggressive idiocy has done to the rest of the world.
 
2021-06-08 10:04:26 AM  
Once you make ethnic hegemony the cornerstone of your nation state, there is literally no atrocity that will supersede it.   Everything and everyone will become an enemy.  Everything else that followed was a logical conclusion.
 
2021-06-08 10:05:29 AM  

animal color: This is what Donald J. Trump's aggressive idiocy has done to the rest of the world.


No, this was hard-baked into denying the right of return decades ago.  There was no other path.  You will always end up here.
 
2021-06-08 10:07:02 AM  
I'm proud to see all the work that my alma mater is doing

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2021-06-08 10:09:25 AM  
It's ironic that someone who leads a group called "United Torah Judaism" would be so divisive, and so eager to cast out other Jews who believe and worship slightly differently.

It's funny; in America, we tend to see Christianity as this fragmented thing with ridiculous numbers of sects fighting over every little thing, while other religions tend to be more united.  I suppose this is less a unique feature of Christianity, and more a feature of being the dominant religion in the culture.  There always has to be "others" to hate, people who just aren't "pure" enough.
 
2021-06-08 10:09:41 AM  

Great_Milenko: I'm surprised that rich American evangelical farks like the Hobby Lobby and Chic Fila people haven't dumped millions into pushing a "jews for jesus" party over there.


Having Christians in charge of Israel would delay the end times.
 
2021-06-08 10:10:33 AM  
The alt-right is the same the world over. News at 11.
 
2021-06-08 10:11:54 AM  

Great_Milenko: I'm surprised that rich American evangelical farks like the Hobby Lobby and Chic Fila people haven't dumped millions into pushing a "jews for jesus" party over there.


That isn't what they want.  They want Jewish Jews in Israel to create a theocratic Jewish state that rebuilds the Temple.  They hold to a form of literalism that says if they create the exact conditions described in Revelation (as defined by their fever-dream interpretation of that fever-dream), God will be forced to keep going, else the Bible won't be literal.  It would be like if I dragged a little person to a particular mountain in New Zealand, roughed him up and strung him out on psychotropic drugs, then put a gold ring on his finger, God would be forced to manifest an emaciated little person meth addict and then Barad-dur would explode.  Except their scenario involved Jesus having to appear, offer the Jews a chance to convert, they all refuse, being dropped into Hell, and then the end of the world kicks off.  The fundiban don't want a Christian Jewish state because then the Jews couldn't reject Jesus and the fundiban couldn't laugh as they are all consigned to Hell - plus the failure to reject Christ wouldn't kickstart the end of the world.  They need religiously Jewish Jews for their plan of jacking themselves raw at the Ultimate Holocaust to happen - every Jew who converts to Christianity is one less stroke they can have in the epic wank session.
 
2021-06-08 10:13:10 AM  

phalamir: bostonguy: bostonguy: Oh, and the vast majority of them have never met a Reform Jew in their lives -- even though the vast majority of American Jews are Reform or unaffiliated.

They don't even understand what "Reform" means -- it's just a catch-all insult for them to use.

Random side note: There are a small number of Reform Jews in Israel. But they are more similar to Conservative Jews in America.

Compared to the Haredi, Missouri Synod Lutherans are more closely related to Conservative Jews.


Where do the Wisconsin Senate Lutheran's fall on this chart?
 
2021-06-08 10:13:10 AM  

animal color: This is what Donald J. Trump's aggressive idiocy has done to the rest of the world.


Nah, this is what Benjamin Netanyahu's aggressive idiocy has done to Israel.  He's been at this way, way longer than Trump has.

Of course, he loved Trump, and his party did too.  I actually visited Jerusalem back before COVID, and it was super weird seeing "Thank You Trump" billboards and "Trump 45" kippahs in store windows.
 
2021-06-08 10:14:15 AM  

Chabash: phalamir: bostonguy: bostonguy: Oh, and the vast majority of them have never met a Reform Jew in their lives -- even though the vast majority of American Jews are Reform or unaffiliated.

They don't even understand what "Reform" means -- it's just a catch-all insult for them to use.

Random side note: There are a small number of Reform Jews in Israel. But they are more similar to Conservative Jews in America.

Compared to the Haredi, Missouri Synod Lutherans are more closely related to Conservative Jews.

Where do the Wisconsin Senate Lutheran's fall on this chart?


When he is or out of session?
 
2021-06-08 10:15:57 AM  

HeartBurnKid: It's funny; in America, we tend to see Christianity as this fragmented thing with ridiculous numbers of sects fighting over every little thing, while other religions tend to be more united.  I suppose this is less a unique feature of Christianity, and more a feature of being the dominant religion in the culture.  There always has to be "others" to hate, people who just aren't "pure" enough.


Human beings always create in-groups and out-groups in any context.

In America, Jews are an out-group and small minority. So, the Jewish community tends to stick together and look out for each other more. In Israel, Jews are the large majority in-group. So everyone looks for ways to exclude other Jews and create new out-groups.

Here's an example. In America, no matter what your Jewish heritage, you are just "Jewish." (For the most part.) In Israel, everyone is Jewish. So you become "Russian" or "French" or "Moroccan" or "secular" or "ultra-Orthodox" or "Masorti" or whatever.
 
2021-06-08 10:16:04 AM  
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2021-06-08 10:16:46 AM  

phalamir: Chabash: phalamir: bostonguy: bostonguy: Oh, and the vast majority of them have never met a Reform Jew in their lives -- even though the vast majority of American Jews are Reform or unaffiliated.

They don't even understand what "Reform" means -- it's just a catch-all insult for them to use.

Random side note: There are a small number of Reform Jews in Israel. But they are more similar to Conservative Jews in America.

Compared to the Haredi, Missouri Synod Lutherans are more closely related to Conservative Jews.

Where do the Wisconsin Senate Lutheran's fall on this chart?

When he is or out of session?


Synod sorry.
 
2021-06-08 10:17:02 AM  
Sounds like he's learned a lot from Trumpworld
 
2021-06-08 10:17:42 AM  
So go already!
 
2021-06-08 10:19:12 AM  

bostonguy: In Israel, everyone is Jewish


Except for all the folks who aren't. Don't forget them. Nearly 25% of Israel is non-Jewish.
 
2021-06-08 10:20:41 AM  

bostonguy: HeartBurnKid: It's funny; in America, we tend to see Christianity as this fragmented thing with ridiculous numbers of sects fighting over every little thing, while other religions tend to be more united.  I suppose this is less a unique feature of Christianity, and more a feature of being the dominant religion in the culture.  There always has to be "others" to hate, people who just aren't "pure" enough.

Human beings always create in-groups and out-groups in any context.

In America, Jews are an out-group and small minority. So, the Jewish community tends to stick together and look out for each other more. In Israel, Jews are the large majority in-group. So everyone looks for ways to exclude other Jews and create new out-groups.

Here's an example. In America, no matter what your Jewish heritage, you are just "Jewish." (For the most part.) In Israel, everyone is Jewish. So you become "Russian" or "French" or "Moroccan" or "secular" or "ultra-Orthodox" or "Masorti" or whatever.


Not sure I entirely agree with that.  My wife is Sephardi, and she has definitely told me the stories of her treatment being a "minority within a minority".  Certainly, there's more solidarity among Jews than Christians in the US, but her heritage has definitely singled her out as different before, since American Jewish culture is largely Ashkenazi.
 
2021-06-08 10:22:27 AM  

Great_Milenko: I'm surprised that rich American evangelical farks like the Hobby Lobby and Chic Fila people haven't dumped millions into pushing a "jews for jesus" party over there.


They've tried. Israelis - Jews and Christians alike - aren't buying what they're selling; every J4J I've ever seen in Israel are Americans.

Maybe something to do with "you're not making Christianity better, you're making Judaism worse!"

// not like that's a huge sample
// I also recall that they were barred from official recognition as a religion in Israel, but I might be misremembering
 
2021-06-08 10:24:07 AM  
They have Deep State in Israel?! Somebody needs to look into to these Deep State people.
 
2021-06-08 10:24:52 AM  

Chabash: phalamir: Chabash: phalamir: bostonguy: bostonguy: Oh, and the vast majority of them have never met a Reform Jew in their lives -- even though the vast majority of American Jews are Reform or unaffiliated.

They don't even understand what "Reform" means -- it's just a catch-all insult for them to use.

Random side note: There are a small number of Reform Jews in Israel. But they are more similar to Conservative Jews in America.

Compared to the Haredi, Missouri Synod Lutherans are more closely related to Conservative Jews.

Where do the Wisconsin Senate Lutheran's fall on this chart?

When he is or out of session?

Synod sorry.


I was having too much fun of the idea of a lone Lutheran in the Wisconsin Senate doggedly trying to convert all the rest.
 
2021-06-08 10:25:54 AM  
Like all religious and racial supremacists, when the outside targets run thin they start turning on each other to see determine who the "real" ones are.
 
2021-06-08 10:27:14 AM  
Today, June 8, is the anniversary of the attack on the USS Liberty.

CNN.com - U.S.: Israel was negligent in 1967 ship attack - Jan. 12, 2004
 
2021-06-08 10:27:27 AM  

Giant Clown Shoe: [Fark user image 750x688]

old boss same as the new boss

fark Israel

/antizionism =/= anti-Semitism
//BDS


Considering that Zionism means "Emancipation of the Jewish people" then anti-Zionism is most def anti-Semitism.
 
2021-06-08 10:29:44 AM  

ongbok: They have Deep State in Israel?! Somebody needs to look into to these Deep State people.


I mean, you know who runs the banks and the media in Israel, right?

/s
 
2021-06-08 10:32:48 AM  

Dr Dreidel: ongbok: They have Deep State in Israel?! Somebody needs to look into to these Deep State people.

I mean, you know who runs the banks and the media in Israel, right?

/s


It's the Pope.
 
2021-06-08 10:32:48 AM  

HeartBurnKid: Not sure I entirely agree with that.  My wife is Sephardi, and she has definitely told me the stories of her treatment being a "minority within a minority".  Certainly, there's more solidarity among Jews than Christians in the US, but her heritage has definitely singled her out as different before, since American Jewish culture is largely Ashkenazi.


Oh sure, of course Sephardim are a small minority within a small minority -- and they do face much discrimination in the US. My point was that there is even MORE internal tensions and discrimination within the Jewish community in Israel. When your group becomes the majority, you will create new minorities within your group.

Regardless, a point for the record: My family came from eastern Europe, and I think most Ashkenazi food is terrible. Give me Sephardi and Mizrahi food any day! Shawarma and falafel and Moroccan fish over gefilte fish and kugel and borscht.*

* leave the brisket and bagels
 
2021-06-08 10:33:26 AM  

Rob4127: Today, June 8, is the anniversary of the attack on the USS Liberty.


FFS.
 
2021-06-08 10:34:13 AM  

Porous Horace: Giant Clown Shoe: [Fark user image 750x688]

old boss same as the new boss

fark Israel

/antizionism =/= anti-Semitism
//BDS

Considering that Zionism means "Emancipation of the Jewish people" then anti-Zionism is most def anti-Semitism.


Nice. Pick a definition that no one else uses and then use that as part of an attack.

Sorry. And furthermore, if "Emancipation of the Jewish people" means "Destruction of the Palestinian people" then you can fark right off with your "Zionism."

\ Genocide by any other name still reeks of sin.
 
2021-06-08 10:34:22 AM  
If the UOs hate him that means he's good.
 
2021-06-08 10:34:30 AM  

Dr Dreidel: I mean, you know who runs the banks and the media in Israel, right?


The Dutch?
 
2021-06-08 10:35:37 AM  

DoBeDoBeDo: "The new government is going to destroy the Jewish identity and character of the state, which allows us to live together," says Deri.


Have you, uh, have you paid any attention to the last, oh I don't know......forever?


it's the only place on earth where you can do whatever you want to the under class. Literally anything. No limits. Jefferson would blush by what's allowed and how not people Palestinians are.
 
2021-06-08 10:36:10 AM  

I hereby demand that I be given a Fark account: Porous Horace: Giant Clown Shoe: [Fark user image 750x688]

old boss same as the new boss

fark Israel

/antizionism =/= anti-Semitism
//BDS

Considering that Zionism means "Emancipation of the Jewish people" then anti-Zionism is most def anti-Semitism.

Nice. Pick a definition that no one else uses and then use that as part of an attack.

Sorry. And furthermore, if "Emancipation of the Jewish people" means "Destruction of the Palestinian people" then you can fark right off with your "Zionism."

\ Genocide by any other name still reeks of sin.


Then what's the definition of Zionism?
 
2021-06-08 10:37:09 AM  

bostonguy: HeartBurnKid: Not sure I entirely agree with that.  My wife is Sephardi, and she has definitely told me the stories of her treatment being a "minority within a minority".  Certainly, there's more solidarity among Jews than Christians in the US, but her heritage has definitely singled her out as different before, since American Jewish culture is largely Ashkenazi.

Oh sure, of course Sephardim are a small minority within a small minority -- and they do face much discrimination in the US. My point was that there is even MORE internal tensions and discrimination within the Jewish community in Israel. When your group becomes the majority, you will create new minorities within your group.

Regardless, a point for the record: My family came from eastern Europe, and I think most Ashkenazi food is terrible. Give me Sephardi and Mizrahi food any day! Shawarma and falafel and Moroccan fish over gefilte fish and kugel and borscht.*

* leave the brisket and bagels


Can definitely agree there.  Sephardic food kicks ass.
 
2021-06-08 10:38:02 AM  

bostonguy: Oh, and the vast majority of them have never met a Reform Jew in their lives -- even though the vast majority of American Jews are Reform or unaffiliated.

They don't even understand what "Reform" means -- it's just a catch-all insult for them to use.


I get labled that all the time as a liberal oriented Orthodox.... Persumably because I'm originally American, so if I'm at all liberal.....
Took nearly six years and a conversation with a real life, Conservative Jew for my father in law to finally understand the difference. And he's just old school National Religious.
*To most religious Orthodox/Ultra-Orthodox Israelis, "Reform" and "Conservative" are one and the same.
 
2021-06-08 10:38:05 AM  
It's like a bizarre parallel universe where everything is exactly the same except people wear hats.
 
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