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2021-06-08 12:04:14 AM  
Saw this too:

https://webcache.googleusercontent.co​m​/search?q=cache:PwQXt6Sn_YwJ:https://a​nomexposed.wordpress.com/+&cd=7&hl=en&​ct=clnk&gl=au

I think WhatsApp and Signal would be interesting to test and see if there's any shenanigans going on. I wouldn't trust WhatsApp, but Signal?

Anyway, it seemed to be an excellent honeypot. Lots of good arrests. 

/Not subby.
 
2021-06-08 12:21:04 AM  

Declassify Issue: Saw this too:

https://webcache.googleusercontent.com​/search?q=cache:PwQXt6Sn_YwJ:https://a​nomexposed.wordpress.com/+&cd=7&hl=en&​ct=clnk&gl=au

I think WhatsApp and Signal would be interesting to test and see if there's any shenanigans going on. I wouldn't trust WhatsApp, but Signal?

Anyway, it seemed to be an excellent honeypot. Lots of good arrests. 

/Not subby.



This part intrigues me:
""This data comprises the encrypted messages of all of the users of Anoms with a few exceptions (e.g., the messages of approximately 15 Anom users in the U.S. sent to any other Anom device are not reviewed by the FBI)," the document reads."

So are there only 15 Anom users in the U.S. or are they specific users that aren't reviewed?  High ranking people, undercover people, etc.

I saw it pop up in my twitter feed so I submitted it because it is fascinating.  They arrest the Phantom Secure CEO and people start abandoning that service...but trust a service that just happens to pop up right about the same time?  Hello fellow kids, indeed.
 
2021-06-08 6:14:08 AM  
Csb: Over a decade ago a company I worked at acquired some random VOIP company similar to this. Literally within a month of doing so there was an FBI agent making regular visits.  My guess is this is exactly what was happening.
 
2021-06-08 6:48:44 AM  
Why you should never write down your crimes, either on paper or through texts.

Also, never accept strange messaging apps from dudes in unmarked black vans
 
2021-06-08 7:07:02 AM  

Tracianne: This part intrigues me:
""This data comprises the encrypted messages of all of the users of Anoms with a few exceptions (e.g., the messages of approximately 15 Anom users in the U.S. sent to any other Anom device are not reviewed by the FBI)," the document reads."

So are there only 15 Anom users in the U.S. or are they specific users that aren't reviewed?  High ranking people, undercover people, etc.


The are American Anom users in he U.S. the FBI doesn't have a warrant for, I would guess.  The AFP is the one running the operation, and they're sharing data with the FBI (including, probably, messages sent to those people) except what the FBI isn't allowed to collect by American law.
 
2021-06-08 8:32:56 AM  
I love that they were encrypted, untraceable phones that were only handed out to criminals, by other criminals. It wasn't an app per se, more of a magic untraceable burner phone for those 'in the know'.

My question is, who the fark did they Think was making these things?!?!
 
2021-06-08 8:34:13 AM  
Dumbasses forgot the cardinal rule of the internet: everyone on the internet is a dude or a fed. Sometimes both.
 
2021-06-08 8:36:29 AM  
Nobody could have predicted.
 
2021-06-08 8:37:16 AM  

Private_Citizen: I love that they were encrypted, untraceable phones that were only handed out to criminals, by other criminals. It wasn't an app per se, more of a magic untraceable burner phone for those 'in the know'.

My question is, who the fark did they Think was making these things?!?!


Other criminals
 
2021-06-08 8:37:19 AM  
Meanwhile, on TotalFark...
 
2021-06-08 8:38:52 AM  
From  the AFP:
"The AFP will allege offenders linked to Australian-based Italian mafia, outlaw motorcycle gangs, Asian crime syndicate and Albanian organised crime ..."

and Methodists...
 
2021-06-08 8:42:11 AM  
I'd imagine a lot of the VPN services people (not me I swear) use to download pirated movies are the same.
 
2021-06-08 8:47:42 AM  
I played the video game "Watchdogs."  I knew what was up.  That's why I avoid any Stoplights that talk to me.
 
2021-06-08 8:47:54 AM  

Declassify Issue: Saw this too:

https://webcache.googleusercontent.com​/search?q=cache:PwQXt6Sn_YwJ:https://a​nomexposed.wordpress.com/+&cd=7&hl=en&​ct=clnk&gl=au

I think WhatsApp and Signal would be interesting to test and see if there's any shenanigans going on. I wouldn't trust WhatsApp, but Signal?

Anyway, it seemed to be an excellent honeypot. Lots of good arrests. 

/Not subby.


Signal works on normal phones, so it's not really comparable.
 
2021-06-08 8:49:41 AM  
Tracianne: ...
This part intrigues me:
""This data comprises the encrypted messages of all of the users of Anoms with a few exceptions (e.g., the messages of approximately 15 Anom users in the U.S. sent to any other Anom device are not reviewed by the FBI)," the document reads."

So are there only 15 Anom users in the U.S. or are they specific users that aren't reviewed?  High ranking people, undercover people, etc.

I saw it pop up in my twitter feed so I submitted it because it is fascinating.  They arrest the Phantom Secure CEO and people start abandoning that service...but trust a service that just happens to pop up right about the same time?  Hello fellow kids, indeed.


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2021-06-08 8:51:38 AM  

somedude210: Why you should never write down your crimes, either on paper or through texts.

Also, never accept strange messaging apps from dudes in unmarked black vans


So, how do you suggest they should communicate.

Are you a criminal? You're smarter than mafia members?
 
2021-06-08 8:53:10 AM  

Private_Citizen: I love that they were encrypted, untraceable phones that were only handed out to criminals, by other criminals. It wasn't an app per se, more of a magic untraceable burner phone for those 'in the know'.

My question is, who the fark did they Think was making these things?!?!


Not FBI and EUROPOL?

So many braniacs here. :D
 
2021-06-08 8:53:44 AM  
The users of PedoPhone must be scratching their heads and going hmmmmm.... naaaaahhh.... right now.
 
2021-06-08 8:57:20 AM  

justanotherfarkinfarker: I'd imagine a lot of the VPN services people (not me I swear) use to download pirated movies are the same.


And Tor servers. All these things are quietly compromised and you don't hear much about it until a big fish is reeled in.

And in other news, much of colonial pipeline's ransom money was returned when US govt pulled it from dark side's Bitcoin wallet. There's a message there
 
ZAZ [TotalFark]
2021-06-08 8:59:51 AM  
The FBI, AFP, and CHS built the Anom system in such a way that a master key silently attached itself to every message set through the app, enabling "law enforcement to decrypt and store the message as it is transmitted," the document reads.

Like the proposed "Clipper chip" in the 1990s. A proposal was floated to ban encryption that didn't use a government-provided chip that leaked key data in a way that only the US government was supposed to be able to exploit.
 
2021-06-08 9:01:08 AM  

Private_Citizen: I love that they were encrypted, untraceable phones that were only handed out to criminals, by other criminals. It wasn't an app per se, more of a magic untraceable burner phone for those 'in the know'.

My question is, who the fark did they Think was making these things?!?!


And they were bold/stupid enough to use real names and addresses.
 
2021-06-08 9:04:58 AM  

Ketchuponsteak: somedude210: Why you should never write down your crimes, either on paper or through texts.

Also, never accept strange messaging apps from dudes in unmarked black vans

So, how do you suggest they should communicate.

Are you a criminal? You're smarter than mafia members?


It's not hard to be smarter than the mob.
 
2021-06-08 9:10:46 AM  

justanotherfarkinfarker: I'd imagine a lot of the VPN services people (not me I swear) use to download pirated movies are the same.


I chuckle sensibly every time I tune to crazy ass white guy AM and hear a Nord VPN commercial.
 
2021-06-08 9:31:33 AM  

Ketchuponsteak: Declassify Issue: Saw this too:

https://webcache.googleusercontent.com​/search?q=cache:PwQXt6Sn_YwJ:https://a​nomexposed.wordpress.com/+&cd=7&hl=en&​ct=clnk&gl=au

I think WhatsApp and Signal would be interesting to test and see if there's any shenanigans going on. I wouldn't trust WhatsApp, but Signal?

Anyway, it seemed to be an excellent honeypot. Lots of good arrests. 

/Not subby.

Signal works on normal phones, so it's not really comparable.


Gotcha.

The guy in the google cache link was pulling background traffic and that's what caught my attention the most. Even on normal phones, connections are hijacked.
 
2021-06-08 9:35:12 AM  
Star Trek III The Search For Spock - Kirk vs Kruge
Youtube 0KW-Nw6XVWQ
 
2021-06-08 9:38:31 AM  
 
2021-06-08 9:46:58 AM  
Is The Wire pretty much a documentary now??
 
2021-06-08 9:47:26 AM  

somedude210: An enjoyable thread looking at the unsealed search warrants


Reading through that makes me wonder if the 15 people that weren't subject to monitoring in the US were members of the Oompa Loompa administration/family.
 
2021-06-08 10:11:04 AM  
This is glorious. Even 35 arrests were made and 900 charges were laid here in NZ. I suppose the criminal element might adapt, but there comes a time to reel in the fish.
 
2021-06-08 10:11:45 AM  

Teddy Brosevelt: Dumbasses forgot the cardinal rule of the internet: everyone on the internet is a dude or a fed. Sometimes both.


What? I thought everyone on the internet was a teenage girl looking for an older man to transport them across state lines. You have ruined my day.
 
2021-06-08 11:04:12 AM  

ComaToast: Teddy Brosevelt: Dumbasses forgot the cardinal rule of the internet: everyone on the internet is a dude or a fed. Sometimes both.

What? I thought everyone on the internet was a teenage girl looking for an older man to transport them across state lines. You have ruined my day.


You mean I'm not the only one to fall for that? Phew!
 
2021-06-08 11:19:19 AM  
So when do we find out who is really behind Q?
 
2021-06-08 11:23:25 AM  

Teddy Brosevelt: Dumbasses forgot the cardinal rule of the internet: everyone on the internet is a dude or a fed. Sometimes both.


You forgot dogs. Everybody forgets the dogs.
 
2021-06-08 11:35:13 AM  
Today I learned there's an entity called the Australian Federal Police.
 
2021-06-08 11:48:13 AM  

Smelly Pirate Hooker: Today I learned there's an entity called the Australian Federal Police.


I learned there is a fancy term for informant: "confidential human source"
 
7 days ago  

ZAZ: The FBI, AFP, and CHS built the Anom system in such a way that a master key silently attached itself to every message set through the app, enabling "law enforcement to decrypt and store the message as it is transmitted," the document reads.

Like the proposed "Clipper chip" in the 1990s. A proposal was floated to ban encryption that didn't use a government-provided chip that leaked key data in a way that only the US government was supposed to be able to exploit.


Something very similar happened to storage firmware.
 
7 days ago  

koder: Csb: Over a decade ago a company I worked at acquired some random VOIP company similar to this. Literally within a month of doing so there was an FBI agent making regular visits.  My guess is this is exactly what was happening.


All international internet traffic is captured, metadata is attached describing the contents, and then stored for later search and retrieval. This should be public knowledge.

All domestic internet traffic can not be legally captured, analyzed, and stored without a warrant, so they set up algorithms to automatically detect patterns, capture, analyze and store information and the existence of such a program and the corporate sponsors are a state secret for the security of the nation.

The battle for privacy was lost long ago due to CALEA, the communications act for law enforcement agencies. If it provides communications, it has to have a back door and you legally can not mention this state secret.
 
6 days ago  

Teddy Brosevelt: Dumbasses forgot the cardinal rule of the internet: everyone on the internet is a dude or a fed. Sometimes both.


I'm a CIA Astronaut Lawyer Brain Surgeon Neurologist Astrobiologist and International Tiddlywinks Master.
 
6 days ago  

Trik: International Tiddlywinks Master.


I was believing you up until that point.
 
6 days ago  

Ketchuponsteak: somedude210: Why you should never write down your crimes, either on paper or through texts.

Also, never accept strange messaging apps from dudes in unmarked black vans

So, how do you suggest they should communicate.

Are you a criminal? You're smarter than mafia members?


Train your lieutenants to know what to say and do. Speak in code, orally, never written down, with your lieutenants. Use gestures and other non-verbal communication techniques. Have your lieutenants know what to say (or write when needed) to people outside the organization. In any situation where you (the mastermind) have to speak, make sure your words are vague and ambiguous to the average joe, but clear with the lieutenants who will carry out the orders.
 
6 days ago  

flucto: The users of PedoPhone must be scratching their heads and going hmmmmm.... naaaaahhh.... right now.


PedoPhones are the ones that recharge when one is walking, right?
 
6 days ago  

flucto: The users of PedoPhone must be scratching their heads and going hmmmmm.... naaaaahhh.... right now.


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6 days ago  

Tracianne: Declassify Issue: Saw this too:

https://webcache.googleusercontent.com​/search?q=cache:PwQXt6Sn_YwJ:https://a​nomexposed.wordpress.com/+&cd=7&hl=en&​ct=clnk&gl=au

I think WhatsApp and Signal would be interesting to test and see if there's any shenanigans going on. I wouldn't trust WhatsApp, but Signal?

Anyway, it seemed to be an excellent honeypot. Lots of good arrests. 

/Not subby.


This part intrigues me:
""This data comprises the encrypted messages of all of the users of Anoms with a few exceptions (e.g., the messages of approximately 15 Anom users in the U.S. sent to any other Anom device are not reviewed by the FBI)," the document reads."

So are there only 15 Anom users in the U.S. or are they specific users that aren't reviewed?  High ranking people, undercover people, etc.

I saw it pop up in my twitter feed so I submitted it because it is fascinating.  They arrest the Phantom Secure CEO and people start abandoning that service...but trust a service that just happens to pop up right about the same time?  Hello fellow kids, indeed.


All I can think is that if they are publicly sharing this then they must feel confident they have access to whatever is next.
 
6 days ago  

Hobbess: Tracianne: Declassify Issue: Saw this too:

https://webcache.googleusercontent.com​/search?q=cache:PwQXt6Sn_YwJ:https://a​nomexposed.wordpress.com/+&cd=7&hl=en&​ct=clnk&gl=au

I think WhatsApp and Signal would be interesting to test and see if there's any shenanigans going on. I wouldn't trust WhatsApp, but Signal?

Anyway, it seemed to be an excellent honeypot. Lots of good arrests. 

/Not subby.


This part intrigues me:
""This data comprises the encrypted messages of all of the users of Anoms with a few exceptions (e.g., the messages of approximately 15 Anom users in the U.S. sent to any other Anom device are not reviewed by the FBI)," the document reads."

So are there only 15 Anom users in the U.S. or are they specific users that aren't reviewed?  High ranking people, undercover people, etc.

I saw it pop up in my twitter feed so I submitted it because it is fascinating.  They arrest the Phantom Secure CEO and people start abandoning that service...but trust a service that just happens to pop up right about the same time?  Hello fellow kids, indeed.

All I can think is that if they are publicly sharing this then they must feel confident they have access to whatever is next.


According to the news tonight, they had to end it because people were starting to suss it out - as shown by that link in the first tweet.  They needed to do a full on worldwide arrest and let it out - last count I heard was over 800 people arrested overnight.  I do wonder if this is a one and done or if they've got a couple more out there that just haven't been figured out yet.
 
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