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2021-06-08 6:32:19 AM  
At the end of the day, they didn't have a grand plan. They never should have shot even one frame until they had a single, unified story to tell.
 
2021-06-08 6:32:41 AM  
Why would a gang with access to blasters and other technologically advanced weapons resort to carrying a mace and a ridiculously large machete? I know menacing someone with a knife can be effective, but those just seem impractical.
 
2021-06-08 7:19:39 AM  
There are plenty more than 10. I'm guessing TFA's writer just wanted to nail down his top worst ones.

They weren't perfect, but they were 1000x more enjoyable than the prequels.
 
2021-06-08 7:21:30 AM  
J.J. Abrams recently admitted what most Star Wars fans already knew, which is that the sequel trilogy would've been better if its storylines and character arcs had been planned from the start


That's *all* on you, dipshiat. All set-up no execution you F*CKING PIECE OF SH*T!
 
2021-06-08 7:23:23 AM  

likefunbutnot: At the end of the day, they didn't have a grand plan. They never should have shot even one frame until they had a single, unified story to tell.


You have to wonder if the Marvel branch of Disney is now going to start to influence Star Wars--I mean besides giving Dave Filoni full oversight over their series? It was a transition period when they all joined under The House of Mouse, but hopefully, the folks in the Star Wars film division are going to take some cues from how the folks at Marvel planned out their projects.

That has been Star Wars biggest weakness. A lack of singular vision. Yes, Lucas was in charge, and he was the standard that everyone went to, but he often lost the tack and sail sort of stuttered several times while he tried to adjust and find the sweet spot again. And even then, he lost to thread during the prequels trying to jam in too much into three films.

Set an arc, set another, set up the next to all launch and coincide, and then be sure that they bear fruit. Characters aren't just there to look cool or deliver fun lines, but that has sort of taken a back seat as Star Wars has sort of devolved into fan service and nostalgia rather than storytelling. I think that Disney might be the saving of the franchise as Lucas is edged more and more towards the inspirational side, and less the nuts and bolts work. He's NOT good at it. He builds worlds, he builds cool concepts, he writes fine background material, he doesn't understand people very well or their motivations. He can't keep a theme in his head, save if it's a John Williams' score.

Give the overarching plots to Filoni. Both for the series and the films. Give the films to folks who LOVE the material and who actually LIKE working within frameworks established. Handing the sequels to folks who HATE canon and hate the idea of pre-existing lore was a mistake. Creative? Kinda? But it wasn't really Star Wars. They were three unconnected films that shared characters, and their tone and their plots were all single film devices. You want a film to stand up on its own merits, but when dealing with a franchise, that film HAS to fit in the larger setting. And that is where Marvel Studios can give Star Wars some guideposts. The films are very different from one another, but they are joined together, they fit together. Even Guardians or Ragnarok, along with Ant Man and The Wasp, and The Winter Soldier. Star Wars needs to figure out how to manage that within their own trilogies.
 
2021-06-08 7:27:11 AM  
Twitter and the shill media when you say you didn't like The Last Jedi
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Of course now they're starting to come around and say, "Yeah, it wasn't really that good."
 
2021-06-08 7:35:01 AM  
hubiestubert:

Yes, Lucas was in charge, and he was the standard that everyone went to, but he often lost the tack and sail sort of stuttered several times while he tried to adjust and find the sweet spot again. And even then, he lost to thread during the prequels trying to jam in too much into three films


Lucas' lack of a firm guiding hand resulted in him wasting two whole films on some very, very, stupid shiat. Kid Anakin should have never been a thing and the Clone Wars should have begun by the end of Phantom Menace. AoTC should have been all about the war and Anakin's heroic exploits/seduction to the Dark side, followed by RoS where he goes full evil hunting down his former mates.
 
2021-06-08 8:01:10 AM  

FatherChaos: There are plenty more than 10. I'm guessing TFA's writer just wanted to nail down his top worst ones.

They weren't perfect, but they were 1000x more enjoyable than the prequels.


A cohesive narrative with bad dialogue is still better than the story they stapled together.
 
2021-06-08 8:22:36 AM  

Ragin' Asian: Why would a gang with access to blasters and other technologically advanced weapons resort to carrying a mace and a ridiculously large machete? I know menacing someone with a knife can be effective, but those just seem impractical.


They're elegant weapons, from a more civilized time.

Because when I think elegant, I think of a big metal ball with spikes on it.
 
2021-06-08 8:24:45 AM  

FatherChaos: There are plenty more than 10. I'm guessing TFA's writer just wanted to nail down his top worst ones.

They weren't perfect, but they were 1000x more enjoyable than the prequels.


They certainly had better art direction, better effects, and for the most part better dialog and acting than the prequels.

Too bad the story was incomprehensible gibberish.  The prequels, even the completely unnecessary Phantom Menace, could have been really good, but we all know what happened there.
 
2021-06-08 8:27:16 AM  

UNC_Samurai: FatherChaos: There are plenty more than 10. I'm guessing TFA's writer just wanted to nail down his top worst ones.

They weren't perfect, but they were 1000x more enjoyable than the prequels.

A cohesive narrative with bad dialogue is still better than the story they stapled together.


On a technical level the sequels are much better than the prequals. The only thing the prequals do better is world building, even the amount of plot holes are a wash. Both are bad but in their own way and nostalgia is helping the prequals.

/Despite all the technical deficiencies compared to The Force Awakens, Rogue One is the better film
 
2021-06-08 8:28:18 AM  

hubiestubert: Give the overarching plots to Filoni. Both for the series and the films. Give the films to folks who LOVE the material and who actually LIKE working within frameworks established. Handing the sequels to folks who HATE canon and hate the idea of pre-existing lore was a mistake. Creative? Kinda? But it wasn't really Star Wars. They were three unconnected films that shared characters, and their tone and their plots were all single film devices. You want a film to stand up on its own merits, but when dealing with a franchise, that film HAS to fit in the larger setting. And that is where Marvel Studios can give Star Wars some guideposts. The films are very different from one another, but they are joined together, they fit together. Even Guardians or Ragnarok, along with Ant Man and The Wasp, and The Winter Soldier. Star Wars needs to figure out how to manage that within their own trilogies.


Giving a side project or character to someone like Rian Johnson might yield interesting results, but the Episodes should have been treated with more respect and need to fit into canon.
 
2021-06-08 8:31:57 AM  

Great_Milenko: Ragin' Asian: Why would a gang with access to blasters and other technologically advanced weapons resort to carrying a mace and a ridiculously large machete? I know menacing someone with a knife can be effective, but those just seem impractical.

They're elegant weapons, from a more civilized time.

Because when I think elegant, I think of a big metal ball with spikes on it.


Everyone thinks a spiked flail or nunchucks are cool until they hit themselves.
 
2021-06-08 8:41:51 AM  

Ragin' Asian: Great_Milenko: Ragin' Asian: Why would a gang with access to blasters and other technologically advanced weapons resort to carrying a mace and a ridiculously large machete? I know menacing someone with a knife can be effective, but those just seem impractical.

They're elegant weapons, from a more civilized time.

Because when I think elegant, I think of a big metal ball with spikes on it.

Everyone thinks a spiked flail or nunchucks are cool until they hit themselves.


R/MallNinjaShiat

(Work around the filter)
 
2021-06-08 8:46:00 AM  
When you drop a deuce, do you flush it down and be done with it? Or do you spend years re-examining it, looking for subtleties in the patterns of the corn nuggets embedded within?
 
2021-06-08 8:59:16 AM  

UNC_Samurai: FatherChaos: There are plenty more than 10. I'm guessing TFA's writer just wanted to nail down his top worst ones.

They weren't perfect, but they were 1000x more enjoyable than the prequels.

A cohesive narrative with bad dialogue is still better than the story they stapled together.


No the prequels are worse. Because even the best actors of an age could not polish those turds.
 
2021-06-08 9:02:05 AM  
Listen, while I absolutely agree with many items on this list (Finn SHOULD have had an arc from Stormtrooper to leading a rebellion of Stormtroopers) this article was clearly written by someone who grew up with the Prequels.

No, there doesn't need to be an explanation of how Maz got Luke's lightsaber.  A little mystery (and not a very important important one at that) is fun in movies like these.  It leads to years of speculation and discussion and theories.

No, the broom boy doesn't need to be a character.  He was an amalgam.  Well, he was an example of what could/will be.

Again, yes, most on list were right.  Although, you can't blame the Resistance for shooting down 'brainwashed' Stormtroopers.  What were they supposed to do?  You would have to assume while they were still clones any Rebellion was killing clones were simply 'programmed' to be bad.  But it wasn't THEIR fault (see Clone Wars).  So really they shouldn't kill clones.
Or droids for that matter.
 
2021-06-08 9:21:04 AM  
The important thing is that everyone who disagreed with me now looks foolish.

/smug
 
2021-06-08 9:26:18 AM  

likefunbutnot: At the end of the day, they didn't have a grand plan. They never should have shot even one frame until they had a single, unified story to tell.


Then the way they did it was perfectly Lucas-like.

Lucas had no plan. His bullshiat about always planning to do 3 movies, or was it 6, doesn't wash. He retconned the first movie being episode IV, Luke being the brother of the chick he had the hots for and made out with, etc.

But it can be forgiven to a degree because Lucas did his first SW movie having no idea if there would be more actually made.

Abrams and everyone else knew they had multiple opportunities for films from day one.
 
2021-06-08 9:39:12 AM  

Richard_The_Clown: Twitter and the shill media when you say you didn't like The Last Jedi[Fark user image image 425x239]


Of course now they're starting to come around and say, "Yeah, it wasn't really that good."


Yeah, love how everyone who dislikes Last Jedi is an incel that thinks girls are icky.

You know, the movie where Poe spends the entire film mansplaining to Leia and Dadona (sp?) about how they should run things and their reaction is to go "Isn't he great? Oh I know."

And talking about the admiral, decides to show her feminine side by removing any sort of professional dress or demeanor and instead made her up to look like someone's matronly aunt headed out to martinis with the gals. Even Lando wore a sort of uniform.

Yeah, real tale of female liberation you got there guys.
 
2021-06-08 9:52:45 AM  

likefunbutnot: At the end of the day, they didn't have a grand plan. They never should have shot even one frame until they had a single, unified story to tell.


At least they should have had the general themes set up. Half the problem in the 9th movie was it dismantling the themes of the 8th movie, themes the 8th movie had to set up from scratch as the 7th left them with nothing.

For as bad as the prequal trilogy was it at least had a unifying theme based around the rise of authoritarianism as the backdrop of a fall from grace tragedy.
 
2021-06-08 10:03:08 AM  

Great_Milenko: Ragin' Asian: Why would a gang with access to blasters and other technologically advanced weapons resort to carrying a mace and a ridiculously large machete? I know menacing someone with a knife can be effective, but those just seem impractical.

They're elegant weapons, from a more civilized time.

Because when I think elegant, I think of a big metal ball with spikes on it.


When I hear the bit about "elegant weapons, from a more enlightened time" bit, I always
hear it in Alec Guinness' voice.
/then i remember about all the elegant amputations, bisections, dismemberment and impalements.
//ahhh Star Wars, where I still hadn't seen the third film in the prequels or sequels.
///fool me twice etc.,
 
2021-06-08 10:04:31 AM  

UNC_Samurai: FatherChaos: There are plenty more than 10. I'm guessing TFA's writer just wanted to nail down his top worst ones.

They weren't perfect, but they were 1000x more enjoyable than the prequels.

A cohesive narrative with bad dialogue is still better than the story they stapled together.


I judge it like this, did I fall asleep during any of the prequels like I did during two of the sequels? The prequels were better.
 
2021-06-08 10:05:01 AM  

Bslim: That's *all* on you, dipshiat. All set-up no execution you F*CKING PIECE OF SH*T!


I hate to Jedi Knight for J.J. Abrams, but the truth is that J.J. Abrams did not hire himself for The Force Awakens, and J.J. Abrams was not the big boss who had decided to have a different writer and director for each movie. If you have to blame someone for the overall lack of planning and the poor structure of the plan there was, it seems Kathleen Kennedy is the one at the top of the totem pole.

And even that, I hate to say, is slightly understandable, since the Original Trilogy was written and directed in the same piecemeal fashion. I guess Kennedy thought she could shepherd the sequels in the same way and not do a worse job. But one just can't round robin the conclusion to a saga this big and this interconnected. She had to find this out the hard way.

Think of it: how many genuinely great round robin stories are out there in all of literature? The Empire Strikes Back got lucky and was able to expand the universe of Star Wars in a way that felt fresh and real, and being the first sequel, it had the first shot of expanding that universe. Every other Star Wars movie in the Skywalker Saga is just struggling to make the story work in a larger framework.
 
2021-06-08 10:06:50 AM  
Star Wars: The Days Of Stimpy
 
2021-06-08 10:13:16 AM  

likefunbutnot: At the end of the day, they didn't have a grand plan. They never should have shot even one frame until they had a single, unified story to tell.


I'm convinced that the story that should have been used for the sequel films was written by Timothy Zahn and published in the early 1990s.
 
2021-06-08 10:15:10 AM  

wage0048: likefunbutnot: At the end of the day, they didn't have a grand plan. They never should have shot even one frame until they had a single, unified story to tell.

I'm convinced that the story that should have been used for the sequel films was written by Timothy Zahn and published in the early 1990s.


Needs more moons crashing into Chewbacca.
 
2021-06-08 10:18:52 AM  
I love Star Wars and have forgiven a lot of shiatty mismanagement from Disney because Clone Wars season 7 and the Mandalorian were works of art. But them dropping broom boy without explanation is unforgivable. The concept of new, fresh force users popping up, being fought over by the Jedi and Sith, and the possibility of even stronger characters COULD have been so good!

But instead we got a shiatty tug of war between directors that led nowhere.
 
2021-06-08 10:21:22 AM  

OkieDookie: wage0048: likefunbutnot: At the end of the day, they didn't have a grand plan. They never should have shot even one frame until they had a single, unified story to tell.

I'm convinced that the story that should have been used for the sequel films was written by Timothy Zahn and published in the early 1990s.

Needs more moons crashing into Chewbacca.


Marvel has been getting to cherry-pick previously published stories, ideas, and bits into movies.  There's no need for SW to only create new material.
 
2021-06-08 10:30:24 AM  

kyleaugustus: OkieDookie: wage0048: likefunbutnot: At the end of the day, they didn't have a grand plan. They never should have shot even one frame until they had a single, unified story to tell.

I'm convinced that the story that should have been used for the sequel films was written by Timothy Zahn and published in the early 1990s.

Needs more moons crashing into Chewbacca.

Marvel has been getting to cherry-pick previously published stories, ideas, and bits into movies.  There's no need for SW to only create new material.


And shows like Rebels cherry-picked EU material without resorting to mad Jedi clones with extra vowels or Force-negating sloths.
 
2021-06-08 10:31:56 AM  
What annoys me is we spent an entire trilogy just to end up right back where we were at the end of Return of the Jedi. It's now going to be the New New Republic and New New Jedi Order.

All the stuff planned over the next few years doesn't even go there. It's their Old Old Republic project and stuff filling in the gaps between the three trilogies.

Star Wars has become a microcosm of everything wrong with Hollywood storytelling right now. It's just endless prequels and thinly veiled reboots all the way down.
 
2021-06-08 10:32:33 AM  
mattj1984: ...unforgivable. The concept of new, fresh force users popping up, being fought over by the Jedi and Sith, and the possibility of even stronger characters COULD have been so good!

Unforgivable
?!  You explained his point/existence in your very next sentence.  He was a concept.  The hint that there were new, fresh force users popping up!
This story, thin as it was, wasn't about the Jedi and Sith fighting over them.
The implication of Rey being the last Jedi (not last force user) was that eventually she WILL find new force users and help them learn.   But not train them as Jedi!  Just train them to use and control the force!

Now, whether Sith (or other bad guys) also hunt for them is the story for a different set of films.

/Again, as above, I'm not defending the sequels as gold or anything, just pointing out some things were self-explanatory and don't require expanding (like 'who built C-3P0 anyone?!')
 
2021-06-08 10:58:55 AM  
One day, perhaps far in our future, access to word processing software will be democratized enough so that all of the script doctors on Fark can write their own perfect space operas.
 
2021-06-08 11:50:06 AM  
The mandalorian was 10 times better than any star wars movie.
 
2021-06-08 12:03:29 PM  

lolmao500: The mandalorian was 10 times better than any star wars movie.


Nah.  The Mandalorian is campy fun, much like the original trilogy.  But it's just a better produced Xena Warrior Princess type of show.


thatguyoverthere70: I hate to Jedi Knight for J.J. Abrams, but the truth is that J.J. Abrams did not hire himself for The Force Awakens, and J.J. Abrams was not the big boss who had decided to have a different writer and director for each movie.


Kennedy is the big boss, but Abrams was producer on all three and was heavily involved on the back end so he certainly warrants a lot of the blame.


Norfolking Chance: On a technical level the sequels are much better than the prequals.


The biggest problem with the prequels visually is that they unfortunately were produced in that era where what they tried to do with the CGI just wasn't ready.  And I know a lot was done practically, but had they been made about a decade later then I think they would have held up better visually.
 
2021-06-08 12:27:46 PM  
The Mouse was greedy and Jar Jar Abrams was the hottest thing at the time.  It all boiled down to greed and incompetence.
 
2021-06-08 12:39:03 PM  

Jack Sabbath: likefunbutnot: At the end of the day, they didn't have a grand plan. They never should have shot even one frame until they had a single, unified story to tell.

Then the way they did it was perfectly Lucas-like.

Lucas had no plan. His bullshiat about always planning to do 3 movies, or was it 6, doesn't wash. He retconned the first movie being episode IV, Luke being the brother of the chick he had the hots for and made out with, etc.

But it can be forgiven to a degree because Lucas did his first SW movie having no idea if there would be more actually made.

Abrams and everyone else knew they had multiple opportunities for films from day one.


What in the complete and absolute fark are you talking about?  Luke Skywalker is the most asexual character in movies this side of The Blob.  Luke never *once* made a move towards Leia and both their kisses were initiated by her.

At least critique the actual movies, man.
 
2021-06-08 12:46:04 PM  

Ragin' Asian: Why would a gang with access to blasters and other technologically advanced weapons resort to carrying a mace and a ridiculously large machete? I know menacing someone with a knife can be effective, but those just seem impractical.


I liked how Herbert handled it in his Dune series: HTH combat is preferred in close quarters because of the ubiquity of anti-kinetic shields, requiring a "slow-hand" soft-technique to penetrate and kill, hence the knife fighting.  It would make sense in Star  Wars if they had that special kit to deal with Jedi, or certain kinds of armor, but in the absence of any exposition or explanation it just seems stupid.
 
2021-06-08 12:53:45 PM  

Joey Jo Jo Jr Shabadu: lolmao500: The mandalorian was 10 times better than any star wars movie.

Nah.  The Mandalorian is campy fun, much like the original trilogy.  But it's just a better produced Xena Warrior Princess type of show.


I agree. I've watched The Mandalorian through several times, and it really isn't that great in terms of story, characters or writing.

What it IS good at though, was giving us time to farking breathe and get to know the characters on a deeper level and connect with them, even the a***** ones. The plots are so simple that they allowed us to stop and take in the world, unlike the movies which were just about shoving as much shiat down your eyes and ears that you get overwhelmed and don't give a shiat by 1/3rd into the movie (God, I hated SOLO so much)

So yeah, The Mandalorian isn't great, but it hits you right in the feels so that makes it perfect.
 
2021-06-08 1:00:03 PM  
Maybe it wasn't Abrams, but considering how he's shiat on my two favorite franchises - Star Trek and Star Wars, I will never watch anything by him again.  I know - who am I.  but it's how I feel.
 
2021-06-08 1:13:16 PM  

ng2810: Joey Jo Jo Jr Shabadu: lolmao500: The mandalorian was 10 times better than any star wars movie.

Nah.  The Mandalorian is campy fun, much like the original trilogy.  But it's just a better produced Xena Warrior Princess type of show.

I agree. I've watched The Mandalorian through several times, and it really isn't that great in terms of story, characters or writing.

What it IS good at though, was giving us time to farking breathe and get to know the characters on a deeper level and connect with them, even the a***** ones. The plots are so simple that they allowed us to stop and take in the world, unlike the movies which were just about shoving as much shiat down your eyes and ears that you get overwhelmed and don't give a shiat by 1/3rd into the movie (God, I hated SOLO so much)

So yeah, The Mandalorian isn't great, but it hits you right in the feels so that makes it perfect.


Yeah, honestly it took me a little while to understand that. I finished up the first season a little underwhelmed, not really understanding all of the hype.  And I wasn't all that excited to start season two when that kicked off.  I think I initially was just expecting more, mostly influenced by modern prestige tv.  But then I eventually realized I didn't need or necessarily want that from Star Wars. And then my son got into it for the second season, so we watched it together which also made it more enjoyable.
 
2021-06-08 1:34:15 PM  
We live in a time where consumers throw down money in the form of "pre-orders" for software/games that are often unfinished/broken/bug-ridden, by companies that takes their fanbase's goodwill and turns it into short term gains.

So yeah, in no way is it a surprise that a multi-billion dollar, media conglomerate like Disney/Lucasfilms is gonna "wing it" and hire a shallow hack like JJ Abrams to helm . The companies know that, no matter what, the fans are gonna line up at the trough and slurp down these poor excuses for movies.

The films are no where near approaching what can be considered cinema, they're CGI dopamine hits for the easily entertained.
 
2021-06-08 1:41:43 PM  

Bslim: J.J. Abrams recently admitted what most Star Wars fans already knew, which is that the sequel trilogy would've been better if its storylines and character arcs had been planned from the start

That's *all* on you, dipshiat. All set-up no execution you F*CKING PIECE OF SH*T!


Ladies and gentlemen, I give you J. J. Abrams, summarized up in 4 words.
 
2021-06-08 1:46:26 PM  

Joey Jo Jo Jr Shabadu: ng2810: Joey Jo Jo Jr Shabadu: lolmao500: The mandalorian was 10 times better than any star wars movie.

Nah.  The Mandalorian is campy fun, much like the original trilogy.  But it's just a better produced Xena Warrior Princess type of show.

I agree. I've watched The Mandalorian through several times, and it really isn't that great in terms of story, characters or writing.

What it IS good at though, was giving us time to farking breathe and get to know the characters on a deeper level and connect with them, even the a***** ones. The plots are so simple that they allowed us to stop and take in the world, unlike the movies which were just about shoving as much shiat down your eyes and ears that you get overwhelmed and don't give a shiat by 1/3rd into the movie (God, I hated SOLO so much)

So yeah, The Mandalorian isn't great, but it hits you right in the feels so that makes it perfect.

Yeah, honestly it took me a little while to understand that. I finished up the first season a little underwhelmed, not really understanding all of the hype.  And I wasn't all that excited to start season two when that kicked off.  I think I initially was just expecting more, mostly influenced by modern prestige tv.  But then I eventually realized I didn't need or necessarily want that from Star Wars. And then my son got into it for the second season, so we watched it together which also made it more enjoyable.


Star Wars was modeled on the Saturday morning serial.  It's escapism and there is nothing wrong with that.  It's what made the original so popular.  There was no deep message, just 2 hours of fun.  That has been lost as movies have been released and they have tried to become more than what Star Wars was.  Which is probably one of the series biggest problems.  But The Mandalorian returned Star Wars to the Saturday morning serial format(at least so far), which is why it feels so right.
 
2021-06-08 1:56:38 PM  

Harry Wagstaff: UNC_Samurai: FatherChaos: There are plenty more than 10. I'm guessing TFA's writer just wanted to nail down his top worst ones.

They weren't perfect, but they were 1000x more enjoyable than the prequels.

A cohesive narrative with bad dialogue is still better than the story they stapled together.

I judge it like this, did I fall asleep during any of the prequels like I did during two of the sequels? The prequels were better.


I fell asleep during Phantom Menace on opening night. It is objectively the worst Star Wars movie and dooms the entire prequel trilogy.
 
2021-06-08 2:28:33 PM  

Gonzo317: Joey Jo Jo Jr Shabadu: ng2810: Joey Jo Jo Jr Shabadu: lolmao500: The mandalorian was 10 times better than any star wars movie.

Nah.  The Mandalorian is campy fun, much like the original trilogy.  But it's just a better produced Xena Warrior Princess type of show.

I agree. I've watched The Mandalorian through several times, and it really isn't that great in terms of story, characters or writing.

What it IS good at though, was giving us time to farking breathe and get to know the characters on a deeper level and connect with them, even the a***** ones. The plots are so simple that they allowed us to stop and take in the world, unlike the movies which were just about shoving as much shiat down your eyes and ears that you get overwhelmed and don't give a shiat by 1/3rd into the movie (God, I hated SOLO so much)

So yeah, The Mandalorian isn't great, but it hits you right in the feels so that makes it perfect.

Yeah, honestly it took me a little while to understand that. I finished up the first season a little underwhelmed, not really understanding all of the hype.  And I wasn't all that excited to start season two when that kicked off.  I think I initially was just expecting more, mostly influenced by modern prestige tv.  But then I eventually realized I didn't need or necessarily want that from Star Wars. And then my son got into it for the second season, so we watched it together which also made it more enjoyable.

Star Wars was modeled on the Saturday morning serial.  It's escapism and there is nothing wrong with that.  It's what made the original so popular.  There was no deep message, just 2 hours of fun.  That has been lost as movies have been released and they have tried to become more than what Star Wars was.  Which is probably one of the series biggest problems.  But The Mandalorian returned Star Wars to the Saturday morning serial format(at least so far), which is why it feels so right.


What the heck is "A Saturday Morning Serial?"
 
2021-06-08 2:59:32 PM  
How can you expect a realistic story with realistic conflict and realist difficulties and realistic suffering with realistic climax and realistic catharsis if the only conflict or difficulty that any of the writers (focus group driven), directors, actors (nepotism got them their jobs), or editors suffered was the family maid neglected to empty the trashcan in the pool house two times in a row or "I accidentally raped the parlor maid", or "Mom and Dad got busted for bribing my way in to Collumbia," or "I came in second at the Country Club Summer Camp Talent Show," or "I totally didn't get accepted in to my first choice fraternity and had to settle for the one that accepts blacks and Jews (but hey, those Jews do have Hollywood connections)."  Most people in the industry are so disconnected from what makes most people "people" (see "Suffering" in your local dictionary) that they can't form a story with believable challenges for the protagonists to overcome.  They invariably wind up falling back on weak writing and over the top special effects and action to hide the lack of any sort of emotional content and good story.

Yes, you are going to get the outlier where someone took a risk and the product delivered at the end is new, engaging, takes the watcher somewhere they've never been (emotionally or story wise) and "feels" real.  But for the most part what you are going to get from Disney, or any other corporate entertainment company is going to be the least risky, least offensive, surest thing they can manufacture.

I made it through half (halfway through the second one) of the sequel trilogy before I rage quit.

Fnck Disney
 
2021-06-08 3:32:15 PM  

perigee: Gonzo317: Joey Jo Jo Jr Shabadu: ng2810: Joey Jo Jo Jr Shabadu: lolmao500: The mandalorian was 10 times better than any star wars movie.

Nah.  The Mandalorian is campy fun, much like the original trilogy.  But it's just a better produced Xena Warrior Princess type of show.

I agree. I've watched The Mandalorian through several times, and it really isn't that great in terms of story, characters or writing.

What it IS good at though, was giving us time to farking breathe and get to know the characters on a deeper level and connect with them, even the a***** ones. The plots are so simple that they allowed us to stop and take in the world, unlike the movies which were just about shoving as much shiat down your eyes and ears that you get overwhelmed and don't give a shiat by 1/3rd into the movie (God, I hated SOLO so much)

So yeah, The Mandalorian isn't great, but it hits you right in the feels so that makes it perfect.

Yeah, honestly it took me a little while to understand that. I finished up the first season a little underwhelmed, not really understanding all of the hype.  And I wasn't all that excited to start season two when that kicked off.  I think I initially was just expecting more, mostly influenced by modern prestige tv.  But then I eventually realized I didn't need or necessarily want that from Star Wars. And then my son got into it for the second season, so we watched it together which also made it more enjoyable.

Star Wars was modeled on the Saturday morning serial.  It's escapism and there is nothing wrong with that.  It's what made the original so popular.  There was no deep message, just 2 hours of fun.  That has been lost as movies have been released and they have tried to become more than what Star Wars was.  Which is probably one of the series biggest problems.  But The Mandalorian returned Star Wars to the Saturday morning serial format(at least so far), which is why it feels so right.

What the heck is "A Saturday Morning Serial?"


Serial films that played on Saturday that were typically geared to a younger audience that had a runtime of about 20 minutes and usually ended in a cliffhanger.  Probably more commonly know as "Saturday Matinee Serials"  

https://www.amazon.com/Flash-Gordon-C​o​nquers-Universe-Complete/dp/B000NY1EDU​

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of​_​film_serials
 
2021-06-08 4:09:48 PM  

Richard_The_Clown: Twitter and the shill media when you say you didn't like The Last Jedi[Fark user image 425x239]


Of course now they're starting to come around and say, "Yeah, it wasn't really that good."


Best part of TLJ was when that admiral chick that was all neck stayed behind and rammed the pursuing fleet while entering lightspeed.
 
2021-06-08 4:57:32 PM  
The thing that truly screwed up the Sequel Trilogy was that Disney was more interested in pandering to the people who were still butthurt about the Prequel Trilogy.

Look at all the technology seen in the ST. It's set 30+ years following the Original Trilogy, and yet all the technology is still stuck in the late 70s/early 80s. It's like if they'd had TNG featuring the very same technology seen on TOS.

There's no in-universe growth or development. They simply reset everything to the start of the OT and that was that. So, when you actually think about it, the heroes are worse off at the start of the ST than they were at the start of the OT.
 
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