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(NPR)   The real news here is the Vatican has a space observatory   (npr.org) divider line
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5 days ago  
Nope, have known about it for at least 30 years
 
5 days ago  
Dan Brown knew.
 
5 days ago  
That's old news. Let me know when they start working on synthetic biology or human-equivalent artificial intelligence.
 
5 days ago  
It's not even old news, it's ancient news. It predates the concept of news.
 
5 days ago  
Why not? They need to get the most accurate horoscopes.
:)
 
5 days ago  
It's not news, dude. Surprisingly, they believe in science.
 
5 days ago  
It was founded in 1582, so it's not exactly breaking news.

Then again, it's not news, it's FARK.
 
5 days ago  
Uhhhhh ... the dude that discovered the Big Bang with Edwin Hubble was a Catholic Monk. Catholics have been on the forefront of physical and cosmic discoveries since they realized Galileo was actually right.
 
5 days ago  
I bet both Galileo and Copernicus are spinning in their ex-communicated graves about now.
 
5 days ago  
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The space pope uses it when he gets homesick for his reptile world.
 
5 days ago  
Georges Lemaître was able to keep his astrophysicist and clerical sides separate. Pretty impressive really. I can imagine his contributions to science if he hadn't - zero.
 
5 days ago  
Everyone learns something for the first time. Today is your day. Congrats!

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5 days ago  
Imagined story vs cosmic mechanics? Sounds like conclusion shopping to me.
 
5 days ago  
Father Guido Sarducci wrote the astrology column for the Vatican newspaper, so duh.
 
5 days ago  
Wait until we find out about their time-travel facility.

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5 days ago  
Blasphemy, the stars are intended to be viewed by the naked eye alone and never measured or observed scientifically. They are defacing gods creation by lending any credence to the idea that the universe doesn't revolve around earth. Just spitting in gods face and his master plan.

Also the world is flat, no need to proof my work.
 
5 days ago  
Galileo was at least partially to blame for his "punishments" by the church for his terrible behaviour.  Apparently he was a dick.

I very seldom will ever find the need to defend the church but...like any other organization there are many that are progressive, look to the future and have an open mind.  Catholics in general are the opposite (and I don't mean the CnE Catholics either).

But Canada was recently rocked by the discovery of 215+ bodies of young indigenous children at the site of a BC "residential school" run by the catholic church so I won't go too far out on a limb for catholism or the church right now.
 
5 days ago  
I remember a number of years ago there were headlines about Pope Benedict XVI "banishing" the papal observatory to some disused convent out in the sticks.

In reality - they asked to be moved out of Rome so they didn't have to deal with the light pollution from the city.
 
5 days ago  

Literally Addicted: It's not news, dude. Surprisingly, they believe in science.


Except where it conflicts with their faith, like whether or not bread actually turns into sacred skin flakes when you wave it around and say the magic words.
 
5 days ago  
"Have you found Jesus?"

"I said I'm *looking*, don't rush me!"
 
5 days ago  

rockymountainrider: Galileo was at least partially to blame for his "punishments" by the church for his terrible behaviour.  Apparently he was a dick.


I read that in James Burke's voice


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5 days ago  

Wanderlusting: Uhhhhh ... the dude that discovered the Big Bang with Edwin Hubble was a Catholic Monk. Catholics have been on the forefront of physical and cosmic discoveries since they realized Galileo was actually right.


One of the lead paleontologists on the dig for Homo Erectus in China ("Peking Man") was also a monk.  Pierre Tielhard de Chardin.  Perhaps the most influential Catholic mystic of the last 200 years.  His philosophical works (The Divine Milieu, etc) are profound.
 
5 days ago  

rockymountainrider: Galileo was at least partially to blame for his "punishments" by the church for his terrible behaviour.  Apparently he was a dick.

I very seldom will ever find the need to defend the church but...like any other organization there are many that are progressive, look to the future and have an open mind.  Catholics in general are the opposite (and I don't mean the CnE Catholics either).

But Canada was recently rocked by the discovery of 215+ bodies of young indigenous children at the site of a BC "residential school" run by the catholic church so I won't go too far out on a limb for catholism or the church right now.


Of course he was a Dick. Have you ever had to deal with the catholic church? I'd be a massive Dick too if I had to deal with them on a routine basis constantly questioning my scientific observations with half assed understandings and idiotic statements because a vaguely written book implies they could interpret something a way contradictory to your scientific observations.
 
5 days ago  
Not really.  There are also Jesuit "shock troops" ready to be sent to convert the aliens.

We need to make up our numbers after those pesky evangelicals have pouched so many members in Africa, Asia and South America.
 
5 days ago  
If there is an outside observer and they did create the universe, I would say they're more than likely a scientist.
 
5 days ago  
A friend of mine, an astronomer (not Catholic), has collaborated with the Vatican astronomers for years. Jesuits are big into science. My friend gets the best Christmas cards.
 
5 days ago  
See, the Church back then in the middle ages wanted to get more people to come to church, problem was without a decent calendar no one knew what day it was for special events.
 
4 days ago  

Wanderlusting: Uhhhhh ... the dude that discovered the Big Bang with Edwin Hubble was a Catholic Monk. Catholics have been on the forefront of physical and cosmic discoveries since they realized Galileo was actually right.


Since before.  They pretty much founded the schools of thought that would give rise to modern science while looking for evidence to validate the stories in the bible and proof of god, as well as to verify relics and saints.
 
4 days ago  

steklo: I bet both Galileo and Copernicus are spinning in their ex-communicated graves about now.


Pretty sure neither of them were excommunicated. Galileo was forced to recant.

The modern line of rhetoric that I hear on Galileo is along the lines of, "Well, the Church admitted it was wrong about Galileo 350 years after the fact, but the Church wasn't really against heliocentrism, they were just mad that Galileo made fun of the pope."

Of course, I've never been sure how "Some guy made fun of the pope therefore we condemned his ideas (that turned out to be true) as heresy" is supposed to be better than "We condemned this guy's ideas (that turned out to be true) as heresy."

/ And make no mistake, the sentence was very clear about what they actually condemned him for
 
4 days ago  
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4 days ago  

Martian_Astronomer: The modern line of rhetoric that I hear on Galileo is along the lines of,


rockymountainrider: Galileo was at least partially to blame for his "punishments" by the church for his terrible behaviour.  Apparently he was a dick.


Damn, too slow.

Like I just said, "He was a dick so we decided that his ideas were heresy" is not a good defense.
 
4 days ago  
The Summer Palace.  Away from the tourists.  I had read that Steve Bannon wanted to use the place for a right wing operation on the Catholic church, but instead went for another large building.
 
4 days ago  

Martian_Astronomer: steklo: I bet both Galileo and Copernicus are spinning in their ex-communicated graves about now.

Pretty sure neither of them were excommunicated. Galileo was forced to recant.

The modern line of rhetoric that I hear on Galileo is along the lines of, "Well, the Church admitted it was wrong about Galileo 350 years after the fact, but the Church wasn't really against heliocentrism, they were just mad that Galileo made fun of the pope."

Of course, I've never been sure how "Some guy made fun of the pope therefore we condemned his ideas (that turned out to be true) as heresy" is supposed to be better than "We condemned this guy's ideas (that turned out to be true) as heresy."

/ And make no mistake, the sentence was very clear about what they actually condemned him for


Good work! Thank you!
 
4 days ago  
Still no cure for rampant child abuse at the hands of priests.
 
4 days ago  

Ivo Shandor: Literally Addicted: It's not news, dude. Surprisingly, they believe in science.

Except where it conflicts with their faith, like whether or not bread actually turns into sacred skin flakes when you wave it around and say the magic words.


They know that's not science, it's faith.
 
4 days ago  

Last Man on Earth: "Have you found Jesus?"

"I said I'm *looking*, don't rush me!"


They already found his foreskin
 
4 days ago  

Martian_Astronomer: Pretty sure neither of them were excommunicated. Galileo was forced to recant.


yeah, I don't know the specifics but I do know that the church didn't care for either of them.

I remember visiting the leaning tower of Pisa back in the late 80's and there's a plaque that explained Galileo's gravity experiments and I felt so thrilled that I was there in just an historic place.


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4 days ago  
There's also a "pope-scope" on Mt. Graham in Arizona.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vatican​_​Advanced_Technology_Telescope
 
4 days ago  
It's been pretty common knowledge that they've had one for like a 100 years.
And have been operating more traditional telescopes for much longer.
 
4 days ago  
I am glad to see subby learned something most anyone with an even passing interest in space things have known since the 16th century.

True fact:  The Catholic Church also runs a bunch of highly regarded universities.

Can you believe it?
 
4 days ago  
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4 days ago  

Rent Party: I am glad to see subby learned something most anyone with an even passing interest in space things have known since the 16th century.

True fact:  The Catholic Church also runs a bunch of highly regarded universities.

Can you believe it?


You had to mention a school
Threads no longer about science anymore
 
4 days ago  
Not pictured:  Giordano Bruno
 
4 days ago  

steklo: rockymountainrider: Galileo was at least partially to blame for his "punishments" by the church for his terrible behaviour.  Apparently he was a dick.

I read that in James Burke's voice


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I loved the Connections series when I was a kid. Educational and interesting, all at the same time.
 
4 days ago  

keldaria: rockymountainrider: Galileo was at least partially to blame for his "punishments" by the church for his terrible behaviour.  Apparently he was a dick.

I very seldom will ever find the need to defend the church but...like any other organization there are many that are progressive, look to the future and have an open mind.  Catholics in general are the opposite (and I don't mean the CnE Catholics either).

But Canada was recently rocked by the discovery of 215+ bodies of young indigenous children at the site of a BC "residential school" run by the catholic church so I won't go too far out on a limb for catholism or the church right now.

Of course he was a Dick. Have you ever had to deal with the catholic church? I'd be a massive Dick too if I had to deal with them on a routine basis constantly questioning my scientific observations with half assed understandings and idiotic statements because a vaguely written book implies they could interpret something a way contradictory to your scientific observations.


The dickiness is actually why he was excommunicated, though.  When he proved the earth wasn't at the center of things he was widely believed inside the upper echelons of the church and told not to disclose it yet.  He gave the church the middle finger and disclosed anyways.

The idea that the church rejected his findings is pop culture, nothing more.

If you want to hate the church there are plenty of good reasons, this isn't one of them
 
4 days ago  
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The Vatican has been monitoring the skies waiting for the eventual alien invasion.
 
4 days ago  
There's an interesting series of videos about the Vatican observatory on Youtube.  Link to one of them below (the video description has links to the other two).

The Pope's Astronomer - Sixty Symbols
Youtube Z0DAKaR16cY
 
4 days ago  

oa330_man: There's also a "pope-scope" on Mt. Graham in Arizona.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vatican_​Advanced_Technology_Telescope


came here for this
 
4 days ago  

bigdanc: The idea that the church rejected his findings is pop culture, nothing more.


The actual condemnation of the inquisition against Galileo:

"Whereas you, Galileo, son of the late Vaincenzo Galilei, Florentine, aged seventy years, were in the year 1615 denounced to this Holy Office for holding as true the false doctrine taught by some that the Sun is the center of the world and immovable and that the Earth moves, and also with a diurnal motion;"
 
4 days ago  

oa330_man: There's also a "pope-scope" on Mt. Graham in Arizona.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vatican_​Advanced_Technology_Telescope


Rumor is that is where they hide out the pedo priests.

/as told to me by a forestry ranger on that mountain.
 
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