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2021-06-07 9:26:59 AM  
What the fark makes you think he cares or even listens to them?
Manchin hears and obeys only his lobbyists that own him.
 
2021-06-07 9:30:29 AM  
Joe Manchin knows exactly what he's doing, as do the people who will be along shortly to defend Joe Manchin from any and all criticism.
 
2021-06-07 9:38:27 AM  
But we should be grateful to be so lucky to have him!

/amidoingitright?
 
2021-06-07 9:40:04 AM  
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2021-06-07 9:41:47 AM  
If you really want to hurt Manchin, ignore him.  He's relying on negative attention from people West Virginians hate.


He's a cynical piece of shiat.
 
2021-06-07 9:42:08 AM  
At this point I'm just wondering what the hell his game is.

If he genuinely thinks he's standing on some sort of principle or morality than he's not just a moron he's a farking moron.

He's rapidly burning good will, and he's not really posting a list of demands, so WTF is he even trying to accomplish here.
 
2021-06-07 9:42:44 AM  
He's not an idiot, he's the perfect "fool" for republicans. They've likely promised him a beatable candidate when he's up for reelection.
 
2021-06-07 9:42:50 AM  
Manchin thinks that by playing the spoiler he is going to endear himself to the voters back home in ruby red West Virginia.  The truth is that come re-election time none of this will matter because the GQP will run an actual Republican against him. When that happens all of this will be forgotten and he will still lose his seat.
 
2021-06-07 9:42:52 AM  

AdmirableSnackbar: Joe Manchin knows exactly what he's doing, as do the people who will be along shortly to defend Joe Manchin from any and all criticism.


Joe Manchin saved my baby from a burning building, and got burning baby all over him.  That's the kind of leader Joe Manchin is.

/Joe Manchin
 
2021-06-07 9:42:58 AM  

AdmirableSnackbar: Joe Manchin knows exactly what he's doing, as do the people who will be along shortly to defend Joe Manchin from any and all criticism.


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2021-06-07 9:43:12 AM  

Peki: But we should be grateful to be so lucky to have him!

/amidoingitright?


https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Patric​k_Morrisey

Are you sad we couldn't have him instead?
 
2021-06-07 9:44:02 AM  
If he's not a real party member, then remove him from committees.
 
2021-06-07 9:44:13 AM  
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2021-06-07 9:45:11 AM  
Way too much derp from this guy this early on a Monday. Fark Joe Manchin. He's been handed way too much power, and abused, it just to be a Trump level attention whore.
 
2021-06-07 9:45:33 AM  

Peki: But we should be grateful to be so lucky to have him!

/amidoingitright?


Well, beats having Mitch run the senate, so, yes?
 
2021-06-07 9:47:03 AM  

HerptheDerp: At this point I'm just wondering what the hell his game is.

If he genuinely thinks he's standing on some sort of principle or morality than he's not just a moron he's a farking moron.

He's rapidly burning good will, and he's not really posting a list of demands, so WTF is he even trying to accomplish here.


This is not a defense, but I think he's trying to keep the natives back in WV from tearing him limb from limb.

I can only imagine the hate and vitriol in the calls and emails he gets from the trump-sucking citizens of the once proud Mountain State.  And the thing is, no matter what he does, any republican who runs against him next time is a shoe in for his seat.  So he's wasting his time trying to appease him.  Even if he switched parties, the state GOP would probably primary his ass.

We do not have a healthy, functioning government.
 
2021-06-07 9:48:05 AM  

razrez75: Peki: But we should be grateful to be so lucky to have him!

/amidoingitright?

Well, beats having Mitch run the senate, so, yes?


There is no difference except now when bills get blocked, the Democrats get the blame.
 
2021-06-07 9:50:30 AM  

Plane Guy: Manchin thinks that by playing the spoiler he is going to endear himself to the voters back home in ruby red West Virginia.  The truth is that come re-election time none of this will matter because the GQP will run an actual Republican against him. When that happens all of this will be forgotten and he will still lose his seat.


On the other hand, Manchin might literally be the only Democrat who can win statewide in WV. They really like him there, despite the state having the fastest red-shift this side of a damned celestial body. (Although even that might be a long shot by 2024. His win margin in 3 races since 2010: 10.1%, 24.2%, 3.3%.)

For better and worse, he represents a LOT of Republicans.

// and if it keeps a Republican out of the Majority Leader's office, it's a good thing on balance
// sort of like having a leg amputated to save your life is a good thing on balance
// even if it is bad for balance
 
2021-06-07 9:51:14 AM  

Dr Dreidel: On the other hand, Manchin might literally be the only Democrat who can win statewide in WV.


He's not. Check WV's Senate history, it's very rare that the elect Republican Senators.
 
2021-06-07 9:52:14 AM  
it's from slate - what's the over/under word count before it's revealed that manchin is a passionate vegan with a secret love child that works at a meat processing plant?
 
2021-06-07 9:52:24 AM  

sinner4ever: There is no difference


lol. Anyone who says this is straight up lying or has a room temperature IQ. Find some other site to peddle your absolute horseshiat opinions.
 
2021-06-07 9:52:57 AM  
Manchin is a lot like McConnell, in that unless there's something in it for him to personally benefit from it, he doesn't give a sh*t.

Why else do you think he got so mad when people brought up the fact that it was his daughter that had driven up the costs of the Epi-Pen, and she had personally benefited from doing so?  I mean, he believes it's his and his family's right to screw over the public to benefit themselves.
 
2021-06-07 9:54:28 AM  
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2021-06-07 9:55:08 AM  

HerptheDerp: At this point I'm just wondering what the hell his game is.

If he genuinely thinks he's standing on some sort of principle or morality than he's not just a moron he's a farking moron.

He's rapidly burning good will, and he's not really posting a list of demands, so WTF is he even trying to accomplish here.


That's what is so weird and disappointing. I was expecting him to pull a Robert Byrd and push for pork to be funneled into West Virginia in exchange for his votes.

Now it turns out he is some dipshiat loser that even the derpiest republican is laughing at.
 
2021-06-07 9:55:16 AM  

AdmirableSnackbar: Dr Dreidel: On the other hand, Manchin might literally be the only Democrat who can win statewide in WV.

He's not. Check WV's Senate history, it's very rare that the elect Republican Senators.


Dr Dreidel: They really like him there, despite the state having the fastest red-shift this side of a damned celestial body.


Yes, that is my point. The state that USED to (when Bill Clinton was President) elect union Democrats is now electing Shelly Moore-Capitos and turning favorite-son Manchin's 24-point walkover into a 3-point nailbiter.

You're also counting Robert Byrd in there, who was a Senator for approximately 7084 years. That might fark with the numbers a bit.
 
2021-06-07 9:55:22 AM  

HerptheDerp: At this point I'm just wondering what the hell his game is.

If he genuinely thinks he's standing on some sort of principle or morality than he's not just a moron he's a farking moron.

He's rapidly burning good will, and he's not really posting a list of demands, so WTF is he even trying to accomplish here.


If you can't see that he's bought and paid for... I don't know what to tell you.
 
2021-06-07 9:56:11 AM  

snocone: What the fark makes you think he cares or even listens to them?
Manchin hears and obeys only his lobbyists that own him.


Turn out the lights.  We're done here.

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2021-06-07 9:56:46 AM  
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2021-06-07 9:59:38 AM  

Dr Dreidel: AdmirableSnackbar: Dr Dreidel: On the other hand, Manchin might literally be the only Democrat who can win statewide in WV.

He's not. Check WV's Senate history, it's very rare that the elect Republican Senators.

Dr Dreidel: They really like him there, despite the state having the fastest red-shift this side of a damned celestial body.

Yes, that is my point. The state that USED to (when Bill Clinton was President) elect union Democrats is now electing Shelly Moore-Capitos and turning favorite-son Manchin's 24-point walkover into a 3-point nailbiter.

You're also counting Robert Byrd in there, who was a Senator for approximately 7084 years. That might fark with the numbers a bit.


Gee I wonder what happened to those union Democrats during and after Clinton...
 
2021-06-07 10:01:23 AM  

HerptheDerp: At this point I'm just wondering what the hell his game is.


Joe is in an unenviable position in that he's an elected Democrat that probably should be a Republican.

If he goes home supporting his party that's it.  Career over.  He won't be back after the next election.

But as we've seen with folks like Rand Paul and Susan Collins and previously Lindsey Graham if you can make a big enough of a name for yourself by being a contrarian and requiring your party to make certain arrangements for you then you get to bring that home.  It gets to be a talking point that you "stayed your principles" and "stood up for your constituents" even if what you stood against would negatively affect them.

He's not interested in anything else other than making sure he gets himself re-elected.
 
2021-06-07 10:03:26 AM  

HerptheDerp: At this point I'm just wondering what the hell his game is.

If he genuinely thinks he's standing on some sort of principle or morality than he's not just a moron he's a farking moron.

He's rapidly burning good will, and he's not really posting a list of demands, so WTF is he even trying to accomplish here.


His game is staying in his seat. He comes from a district Trump won, IIRC. If he acts more like a liberal than a conservative he's going to lose that seat faster than you can say, "Manchin enables fascism by effectively being a Rethuglican Light."
 
2021-06-07 10:04:56 AM  

Skarekrough: HerptheDerp: At this point I'm just wondering what the hell his game is.

Joe is in an unenviable position in that he's an elected Democrat that probably should be a Republican.

If he goes home supporting his party that's it.  Career over.  He won't be back after the next election.

But as we've seen with folks like Rand Paul and Susan Collins and previously Lindsey Graham if you can make a big enough of a name for yourself by being a contrarian and requiring your party to make certain arrangements for you then you get to bring that home.  It gets to be a talking point that you "stayed your principles" and "stood up for your constituents" even if what you stood against would negatively affect them.

He's not interested in anything else other than making sure he gets himself re-elected.


American politicians in general consider "successful" to be the same as "getting re-elected". Meanwhile in Australia, "successful" means doing the right thing and helping the people, even if it costs you the re-election. Example:

The Daily Show - Gun Control & Political Suicide (ft. John Oliver)
Youtube TYbY45rHj8w
 
2021-06-07 10:06:20 AM  
He's not naïve or an idiot. If people voted more easily, he'd have less power. He's just one of those insipid careerists who clog our public life like cicadas.
 
2021-06-07 10:06:27 AM  

I am Tom Joad's Complete Lack of Surprise: If he's not a real party member, then remove him from committees.


Problem with that - and why it likely won't happen - is that if the Dems do that, he may switch parties giving McTurtle the majority seat again.
 
2021-06-07 10:06:33 AM  

Elliot8654: Skarekrough: HerptheDerp: At this point I'm just wondering what the hell his game is.

Joe is in an unenviable position in that he's an elected Democrat that probably should be a Republican.

If he goes home supporting his party that's it.  Career over.  He won't be back after the next election.

But as we've seen with folks like Rand Paul and Susan Collins and previously Lindsey Graham if you can make a big enough of a name for yourself by being a contrarian and requiring your party to make certain arrangements for you then you get to bring that home.  It gets to be a talking point that you "stayed your principles" and "stood up for your constituents" even if what you stood against would negatively affect them.

He's not interested in anything else other than making sure he gets himself re-elected.

American politicians in general consider "successful" to be the same as "getting re-elected". Meanwhile in Australia, "successful" means doing the right thing and helping the people, even if it costs you the re-election. Example:

[Youtube-video https://www.youtube.com/embed/TYbY45rH​j8w]


Yeah but how many of those Australian politicians got cushy do-nothing "consulting" or lobbying gigs for big bucks after they were voted out of office?

American extremist capitalism is why we can't have nice things.
 
2021-06-07 10:07:13 AM  

Tracianne: I am Tom Joad's Complete Lack of Surprise: If he's not a real party member, then remove him from committees.

Problem with that - and why it likely won't happen - is that if the Dems do that, he may switch parties giving McTurtle the majority seat again.


So? There would be no functional difference in our government should that happen.
 
2021-06-07 10:08:18 AM  

Great_Milenko: This is not a defense, but I think he's trying to keep the natives back in WV from tearing him limb from limb.


He was just reelected. He has just about nothing to worry about. If these reforms pass, even if he loses his seat, we will have a good deal of equity back in the system. He also hinted this is his last term.

Also: White people killed most of the Natives of WV long ago.
 
2021-06-07 10:11:09 AM  

Dr Dreidel: Plane Guy: Manchin thinks that by playing the spoiler he is going to endear himself to the voters back home in ruby red West Virginia.  The truth is that come re-election time none of this will matter because the GQP will run an actual Republican against him. When that happens all of this will be forgotten and he will still lose his seat.

On the other hand, Manchin might literally be the only Democrat who can win statewide in WV. They really like him there, despite the state having the fastest red-shift this side of a damned celestial body. (Although even that might be a long shot by 2024. His win margin in 3 races since 2010: 10.1%, 24.2%, 3.3%.)

For better and worse, he represents a LOT of Republicans.

// and if it keeps a Republican out of the Majority Leader's office, it's a good thing on balance
// sort of like having a leg amputated to save your life is a good thing on balance
// even if it is bad for balance


Manchin won re-election in 2018 by a gnats ass, and in 2024 you bet he's going to face off against a foaming at the mouth, Jesus rode a dinosaur carrying an AK-47 to stop black people from voting, kind of Republican.   And that candidate will win by a minimum of five points.  The seat is gone.  And no amount of "bipartisanship" is going to save it.

Over the years, as this state has shifted red other states have shifted blue.  You could make the argument that Democrats traded West Virginia for Nevada, a good trade by any standpoint.   And there are other targets that will deserve the resources more.  It's the same reason that Democrats didn't try to save Doug Jones, it was pushing shiat uphill and even Jones understood. Manchin hasn't gotten it yet.
 
2021-06-07 10:12:34 AM  

AdmirableSnackbar: Joe Manchin knows exactly what he's doing, as do the people who will be along shortly to defend Joe Manchin from any and all criticism.


Look, dude, for the last time, Bernie lost. Please get over it and unite the country.
 
2021-06-07 10:13:31 AM  

Palined Parenthood: AdmirableSnackbar: Joe Manchin knows exactly what he's doing, as do the people who will be along shortly to defend Joe Manchin from any and all criticism.

Look, dude, for the last time, Bernie lost. Please get over it and unite the country.


Bernie's not even a real Democrat like Joe Manchin!
 
2021-06-07 10:14:44 AM  
Fark: All Joe Manchin all the time!
/how about we just post a Joe Manchin article when he changes his mind about the filibuster
//then we'll never have to hear about him again
 
2021-06-07 10:16:02 AM  

AdmirableSnackbar: no functional difference


Oh look, more horseshiat opinions.
 
2021-06-07 10:16:32 AM  

AdmirableSnackbar: Dr Dreidel: AdmirableSnackbar: Dr Dreidel: On the other hand, Manchin might literally be the only Democrat who can win statewide in WV.

He's not. Check WV's Senate history, it's very rare that the elect Republican Senators.

Dr Dreidel: They really like him there, despite the state having the fastest red-shift this side of a damned celestial body.

Yes, that is my point. The state that USED to (when Bill Clinton was President) elect union Democrats is now electing Shelly Moore-Capitos and turning favorite-son Manchin's 24-point walkover into a 3-point nailbiter.

You're also counting Robert Byrd in there, who was a Senator for approximately 7084 years. That might fark with the numbers a bit.

Gee I wonder what happened to those union Democrats during and after Clinton...


I'm not sure what you think you're arguing against here. "Democrats abandoned labor unions and let Republican vilifying of same turn a reliably blue state into a red state"? That's not really up for debate, because everyone watched it happen, told Democrats it was happening while it was happening, and then listened to the DNC lament the loss (well, really they kissed it off with barely a peep. SMC won by 28% in 2014 and by 43 last year) of a Senate seat and WV's 5 Electoral Votes.

What I'm saying is that Manchin might be the only Democrat who can win in WV anymore (or, I guess, until we figure out time travel and stop that whole "collapse of Democratic support for unions" thing, or else figure a way to reverse it while Democrats are still pretty hostile to Labor). Telling me it wasn't always that way, or that [a miracle could occur and] WV returns to its Labor-loving roots is not really relevant here - unless you figure it could be done in the next 40-64 months (before Manchin and Moore-Capito's next elections).

Again, in a state that is now one of the most reliably Republican in the country. Not quite impossible, but if Dems could do that, we could also do it in places like Indiana or Wisconsin (where the ROI is better, EV-wise), making WV an afterthought anyway.

Manchin is representing his state. For better and worse. Replacing him with an actual Republican, and Mitch McConnell setting the floor schedule (which means no judges and some bills that could hit 60 votes don't get debate time), seems a bad fix to the problem.
 
2021-06-07 10:19:41 AM  

DarnoKonrad: If you really want to hurt Manchin, ignore him.  He's relying on negative attention from people West Virginians hate.


He's a cynical piece of shiat.


Should you actually want to do something to effectively hurt Manchin, go to his financial support group and impress upon them the financial cost of using him as a tool.
Until it is more expensive to keep him than lose him, this crap goes forward.
 
2021-06-07 10:19:56 AM  

Tracianne: I am Tom Joad's Complete Lack of Surprise: If he's not a real party member, then remove him from committees.

Problem with that - and why it likely won't happen - is that if the Dems do that, he may switch parties giving McTurtle the majority seat again.


That isn't a real threat. If he changes partys he will have to fellate Trump every time he speaks publicly. His ego wouldn't let him do that.
If he was stupid enough to do it, it would be great to watch him have to do that to make penance for his own greedy actions.
 
2021-06-07 10:21:10 AM  

Dr Dreidel: AdmirableSnackbar: Dr Dreidel: AdmirableSnackbar: Dr Dreidel: On the other hand, Manchin might literally be the only Democrat who can win statewide in WV.

He's not. Check WV's Senate history, it's very rare that the elect Republican Senators.

Dr Dreidel: They really like him there, despite the state having the fastest red-shift this side of a damned celestial body.

Yes, that is my point. The state that USED to (when Bill Clinton was President) elect union Democrats is now electing Shelly Moore-Capitos and turning favorite-son Manchin's 24-point walkover into a 3-point nailbiter.

You're also counting Robert Byrd in there, who was a Senator for approximately 7084 years. That might fark with the numbers a bit.

Gee I wonder what happened to those union Democrats during and after Clinton...

I'm not sure what you think you're arguing against here. "Democrats abandoned labor unions and let Republican vilifying of same turn a reliably blue state into a red state"? That's not really up for debate, because everyone watched it happen, told Democrats it was happening while it was happening, and then listened to the DNC lament the loss (well, really they kissed it off with barely a peep. SMC won by 28% in 2014 and by 43 last year) of a Senate seat and WV's 5 Electoral Votes.

What I'm saying is that Manchin might be the only Democrat who can win in WV anymore (or, I guess, until we figure out time travel and stop that whole "collapse of Democratic support for unions" thing, or else figure a way to reverse it while Democrats are still pretty hostile to Labor). Telling me it wasn't always that way, or that [a miracle could occur and] WV returns to its Labor-loving roots is not really relevant here - unless you figure it could be done in the next 40-64 months (before Manchin and Moore-Capito's next elections).

Again, in a state that is now one of the most reliably Republican in the country. Not quite impossible, but if Dems could do that, we could also do it in places like I ...


I'd like to see Democrats try to bring him in line first. I don't care if Manchin loses in 2024, by then our country will either be safe from Republicans or fully in their control anyway.

Worrying about what might happen to Manchin after he's helped Republicans to cheat every election in states where they have a little bit of power is missing the forest for the trees. If Manchin is so concerned about his possibility of reelection in 2024, Democrats need to make sure he understands that if he continues farking with Democrats they'll act to ensure he won't be reelected no matter which party's banner he assumes for the election.

That Democrats are allowing a handful of their own members - Manchin more prominently and boldly than others - cede every argument to Republicans is a major farking problem, one that partisan Democrats refuse to acknowledge let alone resolve.
 
2021-06-07 10:28:21 AM  

Dr Dreidel: Plane Guy: Manchin thinks that by playing the spoiler he is going to endear himself to the voters back home in ruby red West Virginia.  The truth is that come re-election time none of this will matter because the GQP will run an actual Republican against him. When that happens all of this will be forgotten and he will still lose his seat.

On the other hand, Manchin might literally be the only Democrat who can win statewide in WV. They really like him there, despite the state having the fastest red-shift this side of a damned celestial body. (Although even that might be a long shot by 2024. His win margin in 3 races since 2010: 10.1%, 24.2%, 3.3%.)

For better and worse, he represents a LOT of Republicans.

// and if it keeps a Republican out of the Majority Leader's office, it's a good thing on balance
// sort of like having a leg amputated to save your life is a good thing on balance
// even if it is bad for balance


They love him for stabbing his own party (and country) in the back.
 
2021-06-07 10:32:25 AM  
"You said you oppose scrapping the filibuster," Wallace said. "The question I have is whether or not-and you say that you hope that will bring the parties together-the question I have is whether or not you're doing it exactly the wrong way?" Wallace questioned whether it wouldn't be a smarter strategy for Manchin to say he might consider getting rid of the filibuster because it could "give Republicans an incentive to actually negotiate." Instead, the anchor said, "by taking it off the table, haven't you empowered Republicans to be obstructionists?"

Nothing could bring the Republicans back to the negotiation table quicker then if Manchin and the other holdouts say "if we don't get some actual movement from the Republicans on the key issues in dispute, they would have no choice but to eliminate the filibuster". If they don't then you've given yourself cover. If they do then great. By ruling out the thing they're most afraid of, he's robbed them of any incentive to do so.

He's either an idiot or he's disingenuous. Even many of his WV supporters are losing patience with him so its not like his constituents are backing him up here. This is not good for the country, the party, or even himself from a political standpoint. If it's about money (which I'm assuming it is unless he's an idiot), then bribe the son of a biatch with a crap ton of funds and project for his state and with the promise of more campaign funds then he ever dreamed possible.
 
2021-06-07 10:41:26 AM  

Tracianne: I am Tom Joad's Complete Lack of Surprise: If he's not a real party member, then remove him from committees.

Problem with that - and why it likely won't happen - is that if the Dems do that, he may switch parties giving McTurtle the majority seat again.


Then Red Senators from states with Blue governors need to have a SERIES OF UNFORTUNATE ACCIDENTS.
 
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