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2021-06-07 4:18:50 AM  
Party of smaller government.
 
2021-06-07 7:59:26 AM  
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2021-06-07 8:10:28 AM  
How about no. The GOP can't even control their own farking pants or their own violent insurrectionist terrorists and shouldn't be allowed control of anything until they thank liberal America for bringing them roads and electricity, the farking sponging ingrates.
 
2021-06-07 8:13:51 AM  
This is about the Maka Ska thing, isn't it?
 
2021-06-07 8:14:13 AM  
Minnesota has a very strange history with respect to indigenous and European settlers. From what I gather, MN didn't have nearly the developed indigenous communities that the East Coast had. Many of the inhabitants at the time of rapid European settlement weren't historically in the MN Territory. The Anishinaabe were not in MN prior to the fur trade and fought a war to subjugate or expel the Dakota living in Red Lake/Mille Lacs area. Even the early census of the MN Territory, which included most of North and South Dakota, had a very murky delineation between "white" and indigenous. First, there weren't many people in the territory. Second, the fur traders/trappers had been living with a intermarrying with indigenous people long enough that they determined ethnicity based on how you dressed.


One of these days I am going to do a deep dive
 
2021-06-07 8:14:57 AM  
"...said Sen. Mary Kiffmeyer, R-Big Lake, who proposed the change. "They should be keeping track of our history."

They are.

And that's why the Republicans have a problem.

It's conservatives that get emotional about facts.
 
2021-06-07 8:21:23 AM  
But Republican tensions with the Historical Society have been building over the years. In 2019, Kiffmeyer proposed removing $4 million in state funding from the nonprofit after officials added "at Bdote" language to signs at Historic Fort Snelling. Bdote is the Dakota name for the land at the confluence of the Mississippi and Minnesota rivers.
Supporters of the change said it honored the site's history thousands of years before it became a military site. Republicans called it revisionist history.



How could this possibly piss them off or be "revisionist history"? Minnesota, Wisconsin and Michigan have thousands of towns, counties, lakes, rivers, etc that have names based on a Native American language. WTF is wrong with these halfwits?
 
2021-06-07 8:22:44 AM  

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I never got the resistance to teaching a more inclusive less Eurocentric view of history. While there is a kind of whiplash when you stop trying to cast your ancestors as unassailable heroes, you actually reach a point where you realize that everyone were a-holes.
 
2021-06-07 8:23:53 AM  
How about no?
 
2021-06-07 8:24:07 AM  

shastacola: But Republican tensions with the Historical Society have been building over the years. In 2019, Kiffmeyer proposed removing $4 million in state funding from the nonprofit after officials added "at Bdote" language to signs at Historic Fort Snelling. Bdote is the Dakota name for the land at the confluence of the Mississippi and Minnesota rivers.
Supporters of the change said it honored the site's history thousands of years before it became a military site. Republicans called it revisionist history.


How could this possibly piss them off or be "revisionist history"? Minnesota, Wisconsin and Michigan have thousands of towns, counties, lakes, rivers, etc that have names based on a Native American language. WTF is wrong with these halfwits?


it would seem ANY accommodation of the "others" is unacceptable to this lot
 
2021-06-07 8:25:39 AM  
How very 1984 of them.
 
2021-06-07 8:27:35 AM  
shastacola:

How could this possibly piss them off or be "revisionist history"? Minnesota, Wisconsin and Michigan have thousands of towns, counties, lakes, rivers, etc that have names based on a Native American language. WTF is wrong with these halfwits?

Exactly! "Mníssota" is a Dakota word.
 
2021-06-07 8:33:40 AM  
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2021-06-07 8:34:07 AM  
Knowing the way Republicans name things, they'd change Bdote to Mceighleigh or Klaycen
 
2021-06-07 8:38:47 AM  
Republicans are filth.

Anything they want should be scrutinized for the benefit that it brings them politically and the absence of benefit to the people.

The historical society has tending to MN history since 1849.  MN became a state in 1858.  The Republicans would have sold off those sites for a handful of beads.  The Republicans would have given that flag back.

/Stupid, mean, greedy.
//Hey, you want to run the state like a business?  Let's add a multiplier to your representative's vote based on your districts financial contribution to the state.
///Three?  Republicans are self-serving filth and do not argue in good faith.
 
2021-06-07 8:53:10 AM  

shastacola: But Republican tensions with the Historical Society have been building over the years. In 2019, Kiffmeyer proposed removing $4 million in state funding from the nonprofit after officials added "at Bdote" language to signs at Historic Fort Snelling. Bdote is the Dakota name for the land at the confluence of the Mississippi and Minnesota rivers.
Supporters of the change said it honored the site's history thousands of years before it became a military site. Republicans called it revisionist history.


How could this possibly piss them off or be "revisionist history"? Minnesota, Wisconsin and Michigan have thousands of towns, counties, lakes, rivers, etc that have names based on a Native American language. WTF is wrong with these halfwits?


Spending summers in Northern WI, yeah. Every other lake or town name is Native American
 
2021-06-07 8:57:29 AM  

shastacola: But Republican tensions with the Historical Society have been building over the years. In 2019, Kiffmeyer proposed removing $4 million in state funding from the nonprofit after officials added "at Bdote" language to signs at Historic Fort Snelling. Bdote is the Dakota name for the land at the confluence of the Mississippi and Minnesota rivers.
Supporters of the change said it honored the site's history thousands of years before it became a military site. Republicans called it revisionist history.


How could this possibly piss them off or be "revisionist history"? Minnesota, Wisconsin and Michigan have thousands of towns, counties, lakes, rivers, etc that have names based on a Native American language. WTF is wrong with these halfwits?


Not to mention that the state name is derived from mni sota, Dakota for "cloudy water".
 
2021-06-07 8:58:48 AM  

b2theory: shastacola:

How could this possibly piss them off or be "revisionist history"? Minnesota, Wisconsin and Michigan have thousands of towns, counties, lakes, rivers, etc that have names based on a Native American language. WTF is wrong with these halfwits?

Exactly! "Mníssota" is a Dakota word.


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2021-06-07 9:00:55 AM  
It's Minnesota. Their Black History course consists entirely of Prince and Kirby Puckett.
 
2021-06-07 9:05:00 AM  

stoli n coke: It's Minnesota. Their Black History course consists entirely of Prince and Kirby Puckett.


It's just SOOOO like them to erase Adrian Peterson.
 
2021-06-07 9:06:49 AM  
Kirby "Chicken Bucket" Puckett. So good. For that part of a season. Guy was like 60 years old. 4'11". Weighed tre deuce.  Unbelievable.
 
2021-06-07 9:08:48 AM  

b2theory: shastacola:

How could this possibly piss them off or be "revisionist history"? Minnesota, Wisconsin and Michigan have thousands of towns, counties, lakes, rivers, etc that have names based on a Native American language. WTF is wrong with these halfwits?

Exactly! "Mníssota" is a Dakota word.


Whats even dumber is if I decided to visit a fort at Bdote. The first question would be whats Bdote ? Oh the native american word for the place before the fort was built. Oh cool. easiest fact to learn. Thanks historical society
 
2021-06-07 9:18:27 AM  

shastacola: But Republican tensions with the Historical Society have been building over the years. In 2019, Kiffmeyer proposed removing $4 million in state funding from the nonprofit after officials added "at Bdote" language to signs at Historic Fort Snelling. Bdote is the Dakota name for the land at the confluence of the Mississippi and Minnesota rivers.
Supporters of the change said it honored the site's history thousands of years before it became a military site. Republicans called it revisionist history.


How could this possibly piss them off or be "revisionist history"? Minnesota, Wisconsin and Michigan have thousands of towns, counties, lakes, rivers, etc that have names based on a Native American language. WTF is wrong with these halfwits?


When she spoke of her concerns about the fort signage, Cohen said it was the first time he had heard an ideological issue raised with regard to the Historical Society.

I wonder what changed?

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Angela Conley, Hennepin County Commissioner for the area that covers retired Fort Snelling
 
2021-06-07 9:19:20 AM  
The Minnesota Historical Society is awesome. That is all.
 
2021-06-07 9:20:06 AM  

Hell Poodle: Knowing the way Republicans name things, they'd change Bdote to Mceighleigh or Klaycen


Chauvin
 
2021-06-07 9:23:11 AM  

b2theory: Minnesota has a very strange history with respect to indigenous and European settlers. From what I gather, MN didn't have nearly the developed indigenous communities that the East Coast had. Many of the inhabitants at the time of rapid European settlement weren't historically in the MN Territory


Mainly because the Europeans had kicked the First Peoples along the East Coast westward.  They then got in wars with whomever was farther west ove rthe land.  And then Europeans came in, saw everything was in disarray, and declared they were pacifying the warring primitives - despite said "primitives" being at war only because they had been forcefully evicted by the Europeans.  The Lenape were from Delaware (said state being names after them).  They didn't decide one day to just up and move cross country - they got pushed.  And many ended up in Minnesota and Wisconsin.  But their farthest extent used to be Missouri because "Hey, you aren't from here!  So you have no claim to this land.  WE have claim to this land because Jeebus.  Now git!  But thank you kindly for pushing out the guys who used to be here."
 
2021-06-07 9:34:15 AM  
"A historical society should not be embroiled in a huge amount of controversy," said Sen. Mary Kiffmeyer, R-Big Lake, who proposed the change. "They should be keeping track of our history."

For the umpteen millionth time you conservative lunatics: it is not "controversy" because you believe something objectively wrong and counter-factual and want to tilt at the windmill of objective reality.  Controversy stems from real debate about genuine disagreement about provable or disprovable facts. 

There is not a debate about whether the earth is round or flat because you believe it's flat.

YOUR version of history is itself controversial because it's disconnected from reality but rather built out of whole cloth to make you feel better about yourselves.

Fark you again liberal media for coddling these folks into any lack of self-awareness or criticism.
 
2021-06-07 9:37:55 AM  

shastacola: But Republican tensions with the Historical Society have been building over the years. In 2019, Kiffmeyer proposed removing $4 million in state funding from the nonprofit after officials added "at Bdote" language to signs at Historic Fort Snelling. Bdote is the Dakota name for the land at the confluence of the Mississippi and Minnesota rivers.
Supporters of the change said it honored the site's history thousands of years before it became a military site. Republicans called it revisionist history.


How could this possibly piss them off or be "revisionist history"? Minnesota, Wisconsin and Michigan have thousands of towns, counties, lakes, rivers, etc that have names based on a Native American language. WTF is wrong with these halfwits?


It's revisionist history when you acknowledge history before white settlers.
 
2021-06-07 9:40:20 AM  
I've worked with the MHS and especially their Gale Library. Fantastic people and efficient operation. Would highly recommend. If Republicans can't handle Amerindian Minnesotans and their river names, they can farking leave forever.
 
2021-06-07 9:56:24 AM  

b2theory: Minnesota has a very strange history with respect to indigenous and European settlers. From what I gather, MN didn't have nearly the developed indigenous communities that the East Coast had. Many of the inhabitants at the time of rapid European settlement weren't historically in the MN Territory. The Anishinaabe were not in MN prior to the fur trade and fought a war to subjugate or expel the Dakota living in Red Lake/Mille Lacs area. Even the early census of the MN Territory, which included most of North and South Dakota, had a very murky delineation between "white" and indigenous. First, there weren't many people in the territory. Second, the fur traders/trappers had been living with a intermarrying with indigenous people long enough that they determined ethnicity based on how you dressed.


One of these days I am going to do a deep dive


You might want to be careful with how you approach any research into the topic as it has seen a lot of white washing. I recommend starting with the largest mass execution in American history which happened in Mankato. They hanged 38 and if Lincoln hadn't been involved General Sibley(A real bastard) would have hanged 303.
 
2021-06-07 9:56:51 AM  
Republicans are just pissed because liberals have this silly idea that someone was already here before white people.

But to be serious, they can fark off instead of trying to erase history.  Fort Snelling included a concentration camp on Pike Island.  Mankato is the site of the largest mass hanging in the US, and one of the executed was the wrong person.  African Americans show up all over MN history, like Dred Scott or George Bonga.  And there's a rich pre-Columbian history.

Deal with it.
 
2021-06-07 9:59:16 AM  

RasIanI: "...said Sen. Mary Kiffmeyer, R-Big Lake, who proposed the change. "They should be keeping track of our history."

They are.

And that's why the Republicans have a problem.

It's conservatives that get emotional about facts.


Jeb!'s son has been ostracized from the GQP for proposing fact-based history of the Alamo in Texas.  He has now gone all-in for Trump in an attempt to resurrect his political career (and shat all over his father and mother by licking Donald's taint).
Here in MA, a retrospective on King Phillips war revealed major war crimes including locking unarmed women and children inside homes and burning them alive.  Documents from the time are revealing that the leader of the colonial forces lied about the conflict and engaged in genocide while claiming heavily armed resistance.
WTF do we keep Fort Bragg named after a general that even the confederacy labeled as incompetent?  How about Fort MacArthur, Marshall, or Eizenhower?
 
2021-06-07 10:00:12 AM  

shastacola: But Republican tensions with the Historical Society have been building over the years. In 2019, Kiffmeyer proposed removing $4 million in state funding from the nonprofit after officials added "at Bdote" language to signs at Historic Fort Snelling. Bdote is the Dakota name for the land at the confluence of the Mississippi and Minnesota rivers.
Supporters of the change said it honored the site's history thousands of years before it became a military site. Republicans called it revisionist history.


How could this possibly piss them off or be "revisionist history"? Minnesota, Wisconsin and Michigan have thousands of towns, counties, lakes, rivers, etc that have names based on a Native American language. WTF is wrong with these halfwits?


From northern WI. It's pretty simple. They hate Native Americans because...well.. I assume their skin is darker than light beige. There also is hatred because all the tribes have casinos and make money off dumb white people spending their SSN checks there.
My family wasnt from Wisconsin so we never got the hate.
 
2021-06-07 10:02:19 AM  

b2theory: Minnesota has a very strange history with respect to indigenous and European settlers. From what I gather, MN didn't have nearly the developed indigenous communities that the East Coast had. Many of the inhabitants at the time of rapid European settlement weren't historically in the MN Territory. The Anishinaabe were not in MN prior to the fur trade and fought a war to subjugate or expel the Dakota living in Red Lake/Mille Lacs area. Even the early census of the MN Territory, which included most of North and South Dakota, had a very murky delineation between "white" and indigenous. First, there weren't many people in the territory. Second, the fur traders/trappers had been living with a intermarrying with indigenous people long enough that they determined ethnicity based on how you dressed.


One of these days I am going to do a deep dive


But then, Mankato

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Also https://www.usdakotawar.org/ is a website, operated by MNHS, diving into the difficult stuff and including Native perspectives. The site's very existence is no doubt infuriating Repubs, I have no doubt it would disappear within hours if Repubs controlled the Historical Society
 
2021-06-07 10:03:12 AM  
I loved a girl from Minnesota once.  No, twice!

Anyway, isn't it amazing how obvious the GOP is in lying about everything?  They have fully embraced the laws of advertising and branding - a lie told enough becomes the truth.  So they want to retcon history and step one is controlling how it's taught and memorialized.  The amazing part is that they're doing it right out in the open, virtually announcing exactly what they're doing, and still about 30% of the population thinks it's a good idea.  Americans really don't deserve America sometimes.
 
2021-06-07 10:05:03 AM  

shastacola: How could this possibly piss them off or be "revisionist history"?


Same kind of asshats that pissed themselves over Mt McKinley in Alaska being renamed to what it had been called for thousands of years - Denali. It's the naming to "McKinley" that was revisionist history, not the other way around. These racist jelloheads believe that history didn't start anywhere before white people got there.
 
2021-06-07 10:11:41 AM  

rewind2846: shastacola: How could this possibly piss them off or be "revisionist history"?

Same kind of asshats that pissed themselves over Mt McKinley in Alaska being renamed to what it had been called for thousands of years - Denali. It's the naming to "McKinley" that was revisionist history, not the other way around. These racist jelloheads believe that history didn't start anywhere before white people got there.


America has always forever since the dawn of time been a land of white people.  The fact that for tens of thousands of years it was inhabited by non-white people is immaterial.  They don't really count because they didn't have money or kings or guns, so really America was more like an uninhabited continent with some bipedal fauna that had to be controlled.  Manifest Destiny, muthahfarkah.  God wants America to be white.
 
2021-06-07 10:13:10 AM  
Hey, guys! Remember when when that video of NJ children sang about "Mmm mmm mmm Barack Hussein Obama" and the constant drumbeat of "indoctrination" came from the right, despite the fact that all of the facts that they left out made it an incredibly dishonest criticism (like the fact that it was for Black History Month, but the video went public 7 months later, or the fact that they honored several other Black giants of history, or the fact that they sent the lyrics to the kids' parents before the video was taken)?

I'm just saying because now would be a perfect time for the Democrats to accuse the GOP of indoctrination and it actually having weight, but they won't because Pelosi and Schumer don't want to look like a bunch of meanies.
 
2021-06-07 10:16:38 AM  
Every time there's an unarmed black kill by police, it creates a new historical site.  Perhaps the state is just trying to help an overwhelmed historical society.
 
2021-06-07 10:22:24 AM  

phalamir: b2theory: Minnesota has a very strange history with respect to indigenous and European settlers. From what I gather, MN didn't have nearly the developed indigenous communities that the East Coast had. Many of the inhabitants at the time of rapid European settlement weren't historically in the MN Territory

Mainly because the Europeans had kicked the First Peoples along the East Coast westward.  They then got in wars with whomever was farther west ove rthe land.  And then Europeans came in, saw everything was in disarray, and declared they were pacifying the warring primitives - despite said "primitives" being at war only because they had been forcefully evicted by the Europeans.  The Lenape were from Delaware (said state being names after them).  They didn't decide one day to just up and move cross country - they got pushed.  And many ended up in Minnesota and Wisconsin.  But their farthest extent used to be Missouri because "Hey, you aren't from here!  So you have no claim to this land.  WE have claim to this land because Jeebus.  Now git!  But thank you kindly for pushing out the guys who used to be here."


I know very little and even I know it isn't that simple. A big part of the "changes" wasn't simply being pushed out by the "whites". The introduction of European technology and markets seems to have radically changed the lives and land use of the indigenous people in the Minnesota Territory well before the bulk arrival of Europeans. My understanding is that horses and firearms revolutionized the way western Lakota and Dakota hunted and it seems like the Anishinaabe had a fur empire that they were expanding.

Keep in mind, the Minnesota Territory was VERY sparsely populated. I have seen estimates of fewer than 50k people in the entire territory (all of MN and most of the Dakotas) with the largest settlement being a Mandan village in present day North Dakota with 700 people. I don't say that to minimize any suffering inflicted on the indigenous population by Europeans. It simply paints a more accurate picture of what the state was like when the railroads showed up.
 
2021-06-07 10:23:09 AM  

b2theory: Minnesota has a very strange history with respect to indigenous and European settlers. From what I gather, MN didn't have nearly the developed indigenous communities that the East Coast had. Many of the inhabitants at the time of rapid European settlement weren't historically in the MN Territory. The Anishinaabe were not in MN prior to the fur trade and fought a war to subjugate or expel the Dakota living in Red Lake/Mille Lacs area. Even the early census of the MN Territory, which included most of North and South Dakota, had a very murky delineation between "white" and indigenous. First, there weren't many people in the territory. Second, the fur traders/trappers had been living with a intermarrying with indigenous people long enough that they determined ethnicity based on how you dressed.

One of these days I am going to do a deep dive


You can stroll through the Indian Mounds Park in St. Paul and see burial mounds from the Hopewell culture.

Or head up north and find the pottery-making folks of the Laurel Complex.

Find old stone quarries in the BWCA, along with (much more recent) pictographs.  Or see the many-thousands-years-old petroglyphs in southern Minnesota.

Of course, everything around the time of the Columbian exchange shows collapse and chaos as a high mortality rate from European diseases destroyed a lot of native culture.
 
2021-06-07 10:31:15 AM  
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2021-06-07 10:34:26 AM  

hugadarn: b2theory: Minnesota has a very strange history with respect to indigenous and European settlers. From what I gather, MN didn't have nearly the developed indigenous communities that the East Coast had. Many of the inhabitants at the time of rapid European settlement weren't historically in the MN Territory. The Anishinaabe were not in MN prior to the fur trade and fought a war to subjugate or expel the Dakota living in Red Lake/Mille Lacs area. Even the early census of the MN Territory, which included most of North and South Dakota, had a very murky delineation between "white" and indigenous. First, there weren't many people in the territory. Second, the fur traders/trappers had been living with a intermarrying with indigenous people long enough that they determined ethnicity based on how you dressed.


One of these days I am going to do a deep dive

You might want to be careful with how you approach any research into the topic as it has seen a lot of white washing. I recommend starting with the largest mass execution in American history which happened in Mankato. They hanged 38 and if Lincoln hadn't been involved General Sibley(A real bastard) would have hanged 303.


That has been one of my motivators for wanting to do more reading. From what I have read thus far it is already gone through two cycles of white washing. The first was the effort minimize the scale of the "retribution" which not only includes the mass execution but also detention at Pike Island and eventual expulsion. The second effort was the minimization of the brutality of the opening stages of the Dakota War.
 
2021-06-07 10:37:49 AM  

b2theory: Keep in mind, the Minnesota Territory was VERY sparsely populated. I have seen estimates of fewer than 50k people in the entire territory (all of MN and most of the Dakotas) with the largest settlement being a Mandan village in present day North Dakota with 700 people. I don't say that to minimize any suffering inflicted on the indigenous population by Europeans. It simply paints a more accurate picture of what the state was like when the railroads showed up


They knew what other folks learn, you don't stick around for the winter, though that turned out not to be a problem for Norwegian and Germanic settlers.
 
2021-06-07 10:41:26 AM  

To Wish Impossible Things: b2theory: Minnesota has a very strange history with respect to indigenous and European settlers. From what I gather, MN didn't have nearly the developed indigenous communities that the East Coast had. Many of the inhabitants at the time of rapid European settlement weren't historically in the MN Territory. The Anishinaabe were not in MN prior to the fur trade and fought a war to subjugate or expel the Dakota living in Red Lake/Mille Lacs area. Even the early census of the MN Territory, which included most of North and South Dakota, had a very murky delineation between "white" and indigenous. First, there weren't many people in the territory. Second, the fur traders/trappers had been living with a intermarrying with indigenous people long enough that they determined ethnicity based on how you dressed.

One of these days I am going to do a deep dive

You can stroll through the Indian Mounds Park in St. Paul and see burial mounds from the Hopewell culture.

Or head up north and find the pottery-making folks of the Laurel Complex.

Find old stone quarries in the BWCA, along with (much more recent) pictographs.  Or see the many-thousands-years-old petroglyphs in southern Minnesota.

Of course, everything around the time of the Columbian exchange shows collapse and chaos as a high mortality rate from European diseases destroyed a lot of native culture.


Thanks for the suggestions! I am really enjoying the Empire of the Summer Moon and wish there was an equivalent for Minnesota peoples.
 
2021-06-07 10:44:56 AM  

To Wish Impossible Things: You can stroll through the Indian Mounds Park in St. Paul and see burial mounds from the Hopewell culture.


If you're ever a bit East, I highly recommend the Hopewell Mounds or the Great Serpent Mound in Ohio. The Serpent Mount is fascinating, especially considering that archaeologists can't even agree on who built it or when (Adena or Ft. Ancient peoples, and a massive spread anywhere from 300BCE to 1070CE), or even why. One theory is that it might commemorate Halley's Comet in 1066, but the shape of it doesn't match the path of the comet at all.
 
2021-06-07 11:08:46 AM  

b2theory: Minnesota has a very strange history with respect to indigenous and European settlers. From what I gather, MN didn't have nearly the developed indigenous communities that the East Coast had. Many of the inhabitants at the time of rapid European settlement weren't historically in the MN Territory. The Anishinaabe were not in MN prior to the fur trade and fought a war to subjugate or expel the Dakota living in Red Lake/Mille Lacs area. Even the early census of the MN Territory, which included most of North and South Dakota, had a very murky delineation between "white" and indigenous. First, there weren't many people in the territory. Second, the fur traders/trappers had been living with a intermarrying with indigenous people long enough that they determined ethnicity based on how you dressed.


One of these days I am going to do a deep dive


My understanding is that most of the Native Americans that the Europeans encountered when they first showed up had only been there for a short period of time, often just a few generations.  For example, the Ojibwe were in Quebec when Europeans first reached the New World - they got forced out by the Iroquois pretty recently.  They didn't really gain control of the Great Lakes region until the 1680s or so.

Many of the Native Americans who had been in the region earlier (e.g. the Lakota Sioux and the Fox) were forced west - nobody really wanted to live in the Dakotas.

A lot of people have this notion that Native Americans had been living in some kind of stasis since time began prior to white people showing up.  They seem to think that whoever Europeans found on the land when they showed up had been there forever.  That's not true at all - Native American history is just as fluid as any place else.  And a lot changed real fast starting at about 1500 as smallpox and guns spread throughout the continent.
 
2021-06-07 11:57:59 AM  

Krazikarl: b2theory: Minnesota has a very strange history with respect to indigenous and European settlers. From what I gather, MN didn't have nearly the developed indigenous communities that the East Coast had. Many of the inhabitants at the time of rapid European settlement weren't historically in the MN Territory. The Anishinaabe were not in MN prior to the fur trade and fought a war to subjugate or expel the Dakota living in Red Lake/Mille Lacs area. Even the early census of the MN Territory, which included most of North and South Dakota, had a very murky delineation between "white" and indigenous. First, there weren't many people in the territory. Second, the fur traders/trappers had been living with a intermarrying with indigenous people long enough that they determined ethnicity based on how you dressed.


One of these days I am going to do a deep dive

My understanding is that most of the Native Americans that the Europeans encountered when they first showed up had only been there for a short period of time, often just a few generations.  For example, the Ojibwe were in Quebec when Europeans first reached the New World - they got forced out by the Iroquois pretty recently.  They didn't really gain control of the Great Lakes region until the 1680s or so.

Many of the Native Americans who had been in the region earlier (e.g. the Lakota Sioux and the Fox) were forced west - nobody really wanted to live in the Dakotas.

A lot of people have this notion that Native Americans had been living in some kind of stasis since time began prior to white people showing up.  They seem to think that whoever Europeans found on the land when they showed up had been there forever.  That's not true at all - Native American history is just as fluid as any place else.  And a lot changed real fast starting at about 1500 as smallpox and guns spread throughout the continent.


To be fair, right before the settlers showed up in the East, the region was still reeling from an unidentified plague that wiped out dozens of tribes. Those lush lands and gentle rolling hills, and easy timber that European settlers found to be so blessed by God? Domesticated for generations, but when the settlers arrived, a lot of tribes had to retreat from their lands as some were reduced to handfuls of people and the consolidation of tribes that was necessary took some time, and when folks tried to return to their lands, they found invaders. So, the Indians just ghosted up to them it seemed. Just appeared from nowhere, back to their own lands to discover it covered in white folks.

It's almost as if the settlers from Europe were adding to a mix of influences and events that were already in play. But Europeans like to think that they were the be all and end all.
 
BBH
2021-06-07 2:02:45 PM  

eagles95: shastacola: But Republican tensions with the Historical Society have been building over the years. In 2019, Kiffmeyer proposed removing $4 million in state funding from the nonprofit after officials added "at Bdote" language to signs at Historic Fort Snelling. Bdote is the Dakota name for the land at the confluence of the Mississippi and Minnesota rivers.
Supporters of the change said it honored the site's history thousands of years before it became a military site. Republicans called it revisionist history.


How could this possibly piss them off or be "revisionist history"? Minnesota, Wisconsin and Michigan have thousands of towns, counties, lakes, rivers, etc that have names based on a Native American language. WTF is wrong with these halfwits?

From northern WI. It's pretty simple. They hate Native Americans because...well.. I assume their skin is darker than light beige. There also is hatred because all the tribes have casinos and make money off dumb white people spending their SSN checks there.
My family wasnt from Wisconsin so we never got the hate.


Vacationed in N. Wisconsin, and there is also a lot of hate against the Native Americans for their ability to spear and catch species of fish that are draws for anglers, walleye, northern pike, and etc. The resort owners claim, and have been for decades, that their guests cannot catch anything because of those practices.
 
2021-06-07 2:06:10 PM  

shastacola: But Republican tensions with the Historical Society have been building over the years. In 2019, Kiffmeyer proposed removing $4 million in state funding from the nonprofit after officials added "at Bdote" language to signs at Historic Fort Snelling. Bdote is the Dakota name for the land at the confluence of the Mississippi and Minnesota rivers.
Supporters of the change said it honored the site's history thousands of years before it became a military site. Republicans called it revisionist history.


How could this possibly piss them off or be "revisionist history"? Minnesota, Wisconsin and Michigan have thousands of towns, counties, lakes, rivers, etc that have names based on a Native American language. WTF is wrong with these halfwits?


Their brains have been warped by decades of corporate slogans and propaganda masquerading as facts. It's why they automatically fall into a frothing pissmist of infantile fury whenever someone calls them out for reciting lies.
 
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