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(We Got This Covered)   The next thing WB is concerned with The Batman: Bruce Wayne having mental health issues. Because that is SO different than the prior completely stable Bruce Wayne/Batman iterations   (wegotthiscovered.com) divider line
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2021-06-06 7:59:29 PM  
That flick looks like undiluted shiat and will tank hard.
My hope is everyone involved never works again. Let it serve as a lesson.
 
2021-06-06 8:07:48 PM  
I hope they can pull it off.

Batman, taken as a reality, is a seriously deranged individual.  I'm taking equal parts Elon Musk, Ted Cruz, David Koresh, and Timothy McVeigh deranged.
 
2021-06-06 8:22:47 PM  
That's why Michael Keaton was the best Batman. You could tell he was sort of crazy. The rest were just cops.
 
2021-06-06 9:40:04 PM  

blastoh: I hope they can pull it off.

Batman, taken as a reality, is a seriously deranged individual.  I'm taking equal parts Elon Musk, Ted Cruz, David Koresh, and Timothy McVeigh deranged.


Dude, what did Batman ever do to you?
 
2021-06-06 10:06:26 PM  

Mugato: That's why Michael Keaton was the best Batman. You could tell he was sort of crazy. The rest were just cops.


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2021-06-06 10:19:36 PM  

foo monkey: blastoh: I hope they can pull it off.

Batman, taken as a reality, is a seriously deranged individual.  I'm taking equal parts Elon Musk, Ted Cruz, David Koresh, and Timothy McVeigh deranged.

Dude, what did Batman ever do to you?


It's how he acts like he is so farking Normal and everyone else is the weird one.
Mixed with his delusions of grandeur and an actual cartoonish view of the world around him.

Trust me .. watch the trilogy again.  You will Theodore everywhere.
 
2021-06-06 10:33:13 PM  

blastoh: foo monkey: blastoh: I hope they can pull it off.

Batman, taken as a reality, is a seriously deranged individual.  I'm taking equal parts Elon Musk, Ted Cruz, David Koresh, and Timothy McVeigh deranged.

Dude, what did Batman ever do to you?

It's how he acts like he is so farking Normal and everyone else is the weird one.
Mixed with his delusions of grandeur and an actual cartoonish view of the world around him.

Trust me .. watch the trilogy again.  You will Theodore everywhere.


Theodore?
 
2021-06-06 11:08:42 PM  
There's something wrong with all people that horde wealth far beyond any reasonable person could need.

Period.

Full stop.

Tax the fark out of Bruce Wayne and Wayne Industries.
 
2021-06-06 11:12:24 PM  
The point of Batman is he's a mentally unstable person. Even Marvel recognized their main stable characters were pretty much insane. In DC, Superman was just unaware which made him boring but even more dangerous.
 
2021-06-06 11:12:54 PM  

kyleaugustus: There's something wrong with all people that horde wealth far beyond any reasonable person could need.

Period.

Full stop.

Tax the fark out of Bruce Wayne and Wayne Industries.


He spends his money on wonderful toys.

/where does he get them?
 
2021-06-06 11:17:21 PM  
In general I really dislike all the interpretations of Batman where he is depicted as insane, or a terrible person, or just as bad as (or is responsible for) his villains in some way, etc. All the writers who think they're being radical or extreme by doing so just don't get what's special about the character, in my opinion. I think it represents a real failure of imagination on their part to conceive of a world wherein Bruce Wayne deciding to become Batman makes sense. Where it is a necessary, honorable, useful, heroic choice. In hindsight I think that was probably the secret to the success of the Nolan films- he did that really, really well. If in your version of Batman's world, only a brutally violent, deranged, sadomasochistic psycho would realistically be Batman, the problem is your world, not the character. For me, Batman ought to be a flawed hero fighting a neverending battle he knows deep down is ultimately futile but who continues on anyway because of the tangible good it will mean for some people in the short term. And (if we're talking about the comics here) a mortal man who eventually finds himself among beings who are essentially gods facing threat levels way above his pay grade and still finding ways to come out on top. Making him a psycho is boring. And it's been done already, like, a LOT.
 
2021-06-06 11:17:54 PM  

Bslim: That flick looks like undiluted shiat and will tank hard.
My hope is everyone involved never works again. Let it serve as a lesson.


We've barely seen any of it, and what we saw was pretty good.

The rest has been pure, unconfirmed Internet rumor. From what I understand is very bad, unreliable original sources.
 
2021-06-06 11:30:21 PM  
Summon Dr Andrea Letamendi!
 
2021-06-06 11:37:06 PM  
Batman 27 : The Meds kick in

"Now, mr. Wayne, I understand you're having delusions of grandeur, with a split personality that's a <holds back laughter> 'crime fighter'. Now, what can you tell me about these 'bad men' you spend your nights fantasizing about?"
 
2021-06-06 11:44:51 PM  
I thought it was common knowledge that Bruce Wayne worked through his PTSD surrounding his parents' murder by working his way through the Gotham underworld as Batman. It's a sane person's dream to go sick-house on the scoundrels in their life. Bruce Wayne lives it.
 
2021-06-06 11:47:57 PM  
I'm looking forward to this failing spectacularly so WB/DC are all the more willing to take a look at my pitches and scripts for a rebooted DCU that takes Marvel's lunch. Apparently they have money to burn.
 
2021-06-06 11:50:41 PM  
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2021-06-07 12:16:39 AM  

blastoh: foo monkey: blastoh: I hope they can pull it off.

Batman, taken as a reality, is a seriously deranged individual.  I'm taking equal parts Elon Musk, Ted Cruz, David Koresh, and Timothy McVeigh deranged.

Dude, what did Batman ever do to you?

It's how he acts like he is so farking Normal and everyone else is the weird one.
Mixed with his delusions of grandeur and an actual cartoonish view of the world around him.

Trust me .. watch the trilogy again.  You will Theodore everywhere.


You'd think with Batman's Martha issues, he'd be more like Norman Bates.
 
2021-06-07 1:01:52 AM  

KRSESQ: I thought it was common knowledge that Bruce Wayne worked through his PTSD surrounding his parents' murder by working his way through the Gotham underworld as Batman. It's a sane person's dream to go sick-house on the scoundrels in their life. Bruce Wayne lives it.


Yeah I don't know why it's become "common knowledge" that only a seriously unhinged person would put on a mask and whup bad guys if they could. It's not like he kills them. He sets them up neatly for the police to arrest , even.
 
2021-06-07 1:11:05 AM  

kryptoknightmare: In general I really dislike all the interpretations of Batman where he is depicted as insane, or a terrible person, or just as bad as (or is responsible for) his villains in some way, etc. All the writers who think they're being radical or extreme by doing so just don't get what's special about the character, in my opinion. I think it represents a real failure of imagination on their part to conceive of a world wherein Bruce Wayne deciding to become Batman makes sense. Where it is a necessary, honorable, useful, heroic choice. In hindsight I think that was probably the secret to the success of the Nolan films- he did that really, really well. If in your version of Batman's world, only a brutally violent, deranged, sadomasochistic psycho would realistically be Batman, the problem is your world, not the character. For me, Batman ought to be a flawed hero fighting a neverending battle he knows deep down is ultimately futile but who continues on anyway because of the tangible good it will mean for some people in the short term. And (if we're talking about the comics here) a mortal man who eventually finds himself among beings who are essentially gods facing threat levels way above his pay grade and still finding ways to come out on top. Making him a psycho is boring. And it's been done already, like, a LOT.


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2021-06-07 1:34:46 AM  
Batman knows he's unbalanced, he's admitted it several times.  Part of what I find interesting about him is watching how close to the line he will go to win.  You can see how he would be the most terrifying villain in DC should he ever cross it because of how ruthlessly he exploits every advantage he has.
 
2021-06-07 2:06:45 AM  

blastoh: I hope they can pull it off.

Batman, taken as a reality, is a seriously deranged individual.  I'm taking equal parts Elon Musk, Ted Cruz, David Koresh, and Timothy McVeigh deranged.


I mean, he's deranged, but he's not the zodiac killer.
 
2021-06-07 3:25:17 AM  

hardinparamedic: blastoh: I hope they can pull it off.

Batman, taken as a reality, is a seriously deranged individual.  I'm taking equal parts Elon Musk, Ted Cruz, David Koresh, and Timothy McVeigh deranged.

I mean, he's deranged, but he's not the zodiac killer.


Except when he's written by Frank Miller.
 
2021-06-07 3:31:00 AM  
Alternative reality: Bruce Wayne becomes Batman only in his mind, but saves Gotham from crime with massive charity donations to education, establishing a UBI and universal healthcare, etc. The Joker is a billionaire republican he only imagines is a clown.

It would be like sucker punch, but good.
 
2021-06-07 3:42:12 AM  
Meanwhile, on Earth-36 where the executives at Warner Bros. know the intellectual properties which they work with, a new and fresh take on Batman is easily assembled:

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2021-06-07 5:38:32 AM  

Flappyhead: Batman knows he's unbalanced, he's admitted it several times.  Part of what I find interesting about him is watching how close to the line he will go to win.  You can see how he would be the most terrifying villain in DC should he ever cross it because of how ruthlessly he exploits every advantage he has.


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2021-06-07 6:31:58 AM  
The next thing WB is concerned with The Batman: Bruce Wayne having mental health issues.

Meanwhile, Disney is gearing up for Moon Knight.
 
2021-06-07 6:47:28 AM  
They should be concerned, because Batman doesn't have mental health issues and nothing within the structure of how his setting works requires them to explain why he acts the way he does.

He's based on Zorro and the Scarlet Pimpernel. Like ... explicitly, in-universe he's based on them. Early trauma opened his eyes early to how sheltered and privileged he was and he decided to try to use that privilege to help instead of hurt like every other person with money or power was doing. He dresses in a costume to make it clear to the bystanders who he is and on what side he's on, and more specifically to make it clear to his enemies that he isn't a cop.

That last bit isn't incidental; cops in his comic are written very realistically, in that 20% of the time they're too corrupt to actually protect anyone and the other 80% of the time they were the people committing the crimes in the first place. Prior to an actual card carrying Nazi getting to write the book in the '80s, Batman cops weren't helpless so much as complicit in almost everything Bruce Wayne fights against, as were his wealthy peers.

And for all the jokes about how he should just fund a homeless shelter with that batmobile money, there was a reason Batman fought organized crime specifically for the first fifty years of his existence: they had nothing to do with his trauma, but he wasn't acting on his trauma, he was trying to actually help. Organized crime wasn't just "where the bad guys are", it was the specific group that had enough money and power to counter his efforts to just do shiat like have Wayne Enterprises fund a bunch of inner city schools and start a hiring drive in the slums, and the motivation to do so. Also there was basically no line between the GCPD and the mob, which made his two problems into one problem.

Like, there were "good cops" that would help Batman escape occasionally and such, but interestingly that also sometimes applies to the gangsters, hays code he damned. Two Face was actually notably more honorable as a hood than as law enforcement.

Is this the one true interpretation of the character? No, I'm cherry picking a hundred years of work by a hundred authors like anybody. But my point is that within his own context this is a rational character making rational (if not necessarily reasonable or proportionate) decisions, and there's no need to resort to bottom tier trash writing like "driven to violence by madness" to give him a coherent character.
 
2021-06-07 7:28:43 AM  
Bruce should talk to a therapist

I hear Dr Harleen Quinn might have some openings
 
2021-06-07 7:56:27 AM  

Wobambo: Meanwhile, on Earth-36 where the executives at Warner Bros. know the intellectual properties which they work with, a new and fresh take on Batman is easily assembled:

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Nightwing should never become Batman. He should however get a partner called Flamebird.
 
2021-06-07 8:03:20 AM  

Tater1337: Bruce should talk to a therapist

I hear Dr Harleen Quinn might have some openings


Phrasing?
 
2021-06-07 8:43:48 AM  
I read Batman now.  It's boring.  I don't know know how it was written back when it was new, but I would really love to see an interpretation of Bruce Wayne being sad about his parents BUT saying "You know what?  I got all this money, I'm going to be a vigilante just for fun" and show him having FUN with it.

Getting a kick out of being able to do the things he does.

I guess I'm basically describing Green Arrow who is just a happier Batman.

I also read Green Arrow for years and now there ISN'T a Green Arrow title even though it's the 80th anniversary of the Green Arrow!

Don't get me started on DC!
 
2021-06-07 9:19:58 AM  

Mugato: That's why Michael Keaton was the best Batman. You could tell he was sort of crazy. The rest were just cops.


It should be interesting, but given that comparison, I don't think Pattinson is the person to pull it off. I hope I am wrong and he could be Ledger-like in a manic way, but I am not holding my breath.

I will watch it regardless but I am a fan of Batman period, but I won't be going to a theater to see it.
 
2021-06-07 10:35:37 AM  

buntz: I read Batman now.  It's boring.  I don't know know how it was written back when it was new, but I would really love to see an interpretation of Bruce Wayne being sad about his parents BUT saying "You know what?  I got all this money, I'm going to be a vigilante just for fun" and show him having FUN with it.

Getting a kick out of being able to do the things he does.

I guess I'm basically describing Green Arrow who is just a happier Batman.

I also read Green Arrow for years and now there ISN'T a Green Arrow title even though it's the 80th anniversary of the Green Arrow!

Don't get me started on DC!


That version of Batman is basically every time Dick Grayson has filled in for Bruce.
 
2021-06-07 10:52:48 AM  

Wobambo: That version of Batman is basically every time Dick Grayson has filled in for Bruce.


Thats what I was thinking.  I can't keep track of when it's Dick Grayson, Damian Wayne, Jason Todd?  I know one of those sidekicks was always enjoying himself.
 
2021-06-07 10:56:18 AM  

leeksfromchichis: Alternative reality: Bruce Wayne becomes Batman only in his mind, but saves Gotham from crime with massive charity donations to education, establishing a UBI and universal healthcare, etc. The Joker is a billionaire republican he only imagines is a clown.

It would be like sucker punch, but good.


Mandatory to have that one little scene at the end that injects, "Or IS it only in his mind?" into the whole thing though.  You're not allowed to skip clunky "plot twist!" crap with this kind of stuff.
 
2021-06-07 10:57:40 AM  

kryptoknightmare: In general I really dislike all the interpretations of Batman where he is depicted as insane, or a terrible person, or just as bad as (or is responsible for) his villains in some way, etc. All the writers who think they're being radical or extreme by doing so just don't get what's special about the character, in my opinion. I think it represents a real failure of imagination on their part to conceive of a world wherein Bruce Wayne deciding to become Batman makes sense. Where it is a necessary, honorable, useful, heroic choice. In hindsight I think that was probably the secret to the success of the Nolan films- he did that really, really well. If in your version of Batman's world, only a brutally violent, deranged, sadomasochistic psycho would realistically be Batman, the problem is your world, not the character. For me, Batman ought to be a flawed hero fighting a neverending battle he knows deep down is ultimately futile but who continues on anyway because of the tangible good it will mean for some people in the short term. And (if we're talking about the comics here) a mortal man who eventually finds himself among beings who are essentially gods facing threat levels way above his pay grade and still finding ways to come out on top. Making him a psycho is boring. And it's been done already, like, a LOT.


Instead of wallowing in guilt, I'd like to see a Batman who chose his destiny instead of having his destiny forced upon him.  Remember in Gotham how young Bruce turned into Euro-trash for a while before cleaning up his act?  I'd like to see Bruce Wayne who faces the choice of either being a drunken playboy or making a difference in the world.  He learned drive and determination from his father and inherited endless resources from him, so he decides to make that difference in a unique way.  Not a brooding borderline psychopath, but

As I typed this I realized I was describing the MCU Tony Stark.  But hey, if it works, why not steal from the best?
 
2021-06-07 11:05:26 AM  

Great_Milenko: I'd like to see Bruce Wayne who faces the choice of either being a drunken playboy or making a difference in the world.  He learned drive and determination from his father and inherited endless resources from him, so he decides to make that difference in a unique way.  Not a brooding borderline psychopath, but


Like I said, you're describing Green Arrow (not The CW Arrow, the comic Green Arrow)
 
2021-06-07 11:30:23 AM  

buntz: Wobambo: That version of Batman is basically every time Dick Grayson has filled in for Bruce.

Thats what I was thinking.  I can't keep track of when it's Dick Grayson, Damian Wayne, Jason Todd?  I know one of those sidekicks was always enjoying himself.


Grayson is the happiest, most well-adjusted, and oldest. Jason is the one that got murdered by Joker and brought back to life, so he's a bit more like Punisher these days. Tim Drake was my favorite but lost track of the direction they went with him. Think it's more sneaky, manipulative. And Damian is the youngest and super-annoying one.

DC - just do the Bat-family already, for god's sake. The whole generational legacy thing is what sets you apart from Marvel after all.
 
2021-06-07 11:58:46 AM  

some_beer_drinker: Mugato: That's why Michael Keaton was the best Batman. You could tell he was sort of crazy. The rest were just cops.

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2021-06-07 12:01:04 PM  

Some Junkie Cosmonaut: leeksfromchichis: Alternative reality: Bruce Wayne becomes Batman only in his mind, but saves Gotham from crime with massive charity donations to education, establishing a UBI and universal healthcare, etc. The Joker is a billionaire republican he only imagines is a clown.

It would be like sucker punch, but good.

Mandatory to have that one little scene at the end that injects, "Or IS it only in his mind?" into the whole thing though.  You're not allowed to skip clunky "plot twist!" crap with this kind of stuff.


We already saw Fight Club
 
2021-06-07 12:28:06 PM  

Great_Milenko: Instead of wallowing in guilt, I'd like to see a Batman who chose his destiny instead of having his destiny forced upon him.  Remember in Gotham how young Bruce turned into Euro-trash for a while before cleaning up his act?  I'd like to see Bruce Wayne who faces the choice of either being a drunken playboy or making a difference in the world.  He learned drive and determination from his father and inherited endless resources from him, so he decides to make that difference in a unique way.  Not a brooding borderline psychopath, but

As I typed this I realized I was describing the MCU Tony Stark.  But hey, if it works, why not steal from the best?


You're also describing... Batman.  Y'know, the original comics version.

There wasn't any of that bullshiat about him being a broken man dragged around by his demons in the original formulation, that's all revisionist crap from the dark-age rewrite of the character.  Golden age Batman was an adult who was like "man, y'know, someone crimed at me once and y'know what?  That was some bullshiat, I'm gonna fix it so no one else ever has to do crime or be crimed upon" and then rolled up his sleeves and got to farking work.

... I mean, picture-book stories for children, so how he got to work exactly was kinda bonkers and hella overdramatic, but he very explicitly wasn't taking out his suppressed rage on anyone through violence.  He was a guy who saw that there was a job that wasn't being done, figured out a way to do it, and then did it.  He was literally called "the world's greatest detective", his original superpower was essentially his overdeveloped sense of empathy.  The main TVTropes trope named after him is about defeating opponents by being able to see their perspective even better than they can, for Christ's sake, a tortured man barely held together by willpower this character was not.
 
2021-06-07 12:41:24 PM  

Somaticasual: Batman 27 : The Meds kick in

"Now, mr. Wayne, I understand you're having delusions of grandeur, with a split personality that's a <holds back laughter> 'crime fighter'. Now, what can you tell me about these 'bad men' you spend your nights fantasizing about?"


I hate, with a passion, every single version of that episode in every show that has one.
 
2021-06-07 1:12:08 PM  

kryptoknightmare: In general I really dislike all the interpretations of Batman where he is depicted as insane, or a terrible person, .... I think it represents a real failure of imagination on their part to conceive of a world wherein Bruce Wayne deciding to become Batman makes sense. Where it is a necessary, honorable, useful, heroic choice... Batman ought to be a flawed hero fighting a neverending battle he knows deep down is ultimately futile but who continues on anyway because of the tangible good it will mean for some people in the short term.... a mortal man who eventually finds himself among beings who are essentially gods facing threat levels way above his pay grade and still finding ways to come out on top.


This guy gets it

Batman is my favorite character in all fiction and I rarely see someone understand him so well. Exactly what you say about his is what make him such a compelling character and what make his duality with Joker so Epic.

Batman sees its the world that is crazy and decides to fight the good fight by the world's rules (violence, terror)

Joker sees its the world that is crazy and decides to have fun by the worlds rules (violence, terror)

Batman and Joker are amazing characters and their struggle worthy being long remembered because they speak a silent truth to us. We all know the world is crazy, we all see it burning and we decide to ignore it. Batman & Joker decided not to.
 
2021-06-07 1:24:59 PM  
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2021-06-07 1:56:49 PM  

Mugato: Some Junkie Cosmonaut: leeksfromchichis: Alternative reality: Bruce Wayne becomes Batman only in his mind, but saves Gotham from crime with massive charity donations to education, establishing a UBI and universal healthcare, etc. The Joker is a billionaire republican he only imagines is a clown.

It would be like sucker punch, but good.

Mandatory to have that one little scene at the end that injects, "Or IS it only in his mind?" into the whole thing though.  You're not allowed to skip clunky "plot twist!" crap with this kind of stuff.

We already saw Fight Club


Now if you could just convince the writers of comic-related stuff of that...
 
2021-06-07 1:57:04 PM  

little red bot: Batman and Joker are amazing characters and their struggle worthy being long remembered because they speak a silent truth to us. We all know the world is crazy, we all see it burning and we decide to ignore it. Batman & Joker decided not to.


In "The Dark Knight Returns", Batman mentions how many people he killed by not killing the Joker.

But what can you do, the book's been around for about a century and Arkham Asylum has a revolving door. You can't just kill a villain off.
 
2021-06-07 2:41:28 PM  
If he has mental issues I hope the movie shows where those issues came from because if it was a childhood trauma or something then the audience needs to be shown that or they won't understand Batman.
 
2021-06-07 3:14:08 PM  

Great_Milenko: Instead of wallowing in guilt, I'd like to see a Batman who chose his destiny instead of having his destiny forced upon him.  Remember in Gotham how young Bruce turned into Euro-trash for a while before cleaning up his act?  I'd like to see Bruce Wayne who faces the choice of either being a drunken playboy or making a difference in the world.  He learned drive and determination from his father and inherited endless resources from him, so he decides to make that difference in a unique way.  Not a brooding borderline psychopath, but

As I typed this I realized I was describing the MCU Tony Stark.  But hey, if it works, why not steal from the best?


I can't remember where I saw it, but a group of people were talking about the Iron Man movie.  "It's like they were all sitting around one day and someone said, "Wait, what if Batman wasn't a whiny biatch?"  Still makes me giggle.

I have absolutely no idea what to expect from this new Batman.  I am having trouble with Pattinson just physically.  To me the DC animated stuff has him about right.  Big, but can move.  Pattinson's too slender IMO.  Honestly, I liked Affleck well enough, he just got bad writing.
 
2021-06-07 4:21:06 PM  

Smackledorfer: Somaticasual: Batman 27 : The Meds kick in

"Now, mr. Wayne, I understand you're having delusions of grandeur, with a split personality that's a <holds back laughter> 'crime fighter'. Now, what can you tell me about these 'bad men' you spend your nights fantasizing about?"

I hate, with a passion, every single version of that episode in every show that has one.


The Ash vs The Evil Dead episode of this was awesome.

Therapy even came with a little Muppet with a chainsaw arm!
 
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