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(Jalopnik)   There's something called a "chicken tax" ... and apparently avoiding paying it could cost Ford a whopping $1.3 billion. That's a whole lot of chicken   (jalopnik.com) divider line
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5 days ago  
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5 days ago  
The Chicken Tax is why Honda and Toyota make their trucks here.
The Chicken Tax is why Subaru Brats had seats in the bed,
Also (Supposededly) Sprinters are built in Germany, then disassembled and shipped to the States.
 
5 days ago  
"No chicken, no check!"

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5 days ago  

TheHighlandHowler: The Chicken Tax is why Honda and Toyota make their trucks here.
The Chicken Tax is why Subaru Brats had seats in the bed,
Also (Supposededly) Sprinters are built in Germany, then disassembled and shipped to the States.


You apparently know more about the "chicken tax" than I do, especially considering the fact that I have never heard of it before this article.

So, on a whole, is it good or bad for the U.S.?

/genuine question.
 
5 days ago  

Three Crooked Squirrels: So, on a whole, is it good or bad for the U.S.?


It depends if you are Tyson or Ford.  It's protectionism, not globalism.
 
5 days ago  

Three Crooked Squirrels: TheHighlandHowler: The Chicken Tax is why Honda and Toyota make their trucks here.
The Chicken Tax is why Subaru Brats had seats in the bed,
Also (Supposededly) Sprinters are built in Germany, then disassembled and shipped to the States.

You apparently know more about the "chicken tax" than I do, especially considering the fact that I have never heard of it before this article.

So, on a whole, is it good or bad for the U.S.?

/genuine question.


Do you like 70s/80s style mini pickups? If yes, then the chicken tax sucks ass. If not...meh.
 
5 days ago  

TheHighlandHowler: Three Crooked Squirrels: So, on a whole, is it good or bad for the U.S.?

It depends if you are Tyson or Ford.  It's protectionism, not globalism.


So, is it good for Tyson or Ford?
 
5 days ago  

drewogatory: Three Crooked Squirrels: TheHighlandHowler: The Chicken Tax is why Honda and Toyota make their trucks here.
The Chicken Tax is why Subaru Brats had seats in the bed,
Also (Supposededly) Sprinters are built in Germany, then disassembled and shipped to the States.

You apparently know more about the "chicken tax" than I do, especially considering the fact that I have never heard of it before this article.

So, on a whole, is it good or bad for the U.S.?

/genuine question.

Do you like 70s/80s style mini pickups? If yes, then the chicken tax sucks ass. If not...meh.


I've never owned a pickup, but if I did, it'd probably be small. Still get this jingle stuck in my head:

1983 Mazda B2000 Sundowner Truck Ad
Youtube -tfKGJVIizU


Sakes alive, sakes alive. Mazda's got a sporty truck for just fifty seven . . . ninety five!
 
5 days ago  

drewogatory: Do you like 70s/80s style mini pickups? If yes, then the chicken tax sucks ass


Is that because American cars suck ass?

...
Oh right it's because those little pickup trucks I liked aren't made anymore *shakes fist*
 
5 days ago  

Three Crooked Squirrels: So, is it good for Tyson or Ford?


Bad for Tyson (Chicken Tax!).  Good for Ford, GMC, and Dodge...and Nissan and Toyota.
 
5 days ago  

Three Crooked Squirrels: drewogatory: Three Crooked Squirrels: TheHighlandHowler: The Chicken Tax is why Honda and Toyota make their trucks here.
The Chicken Tax is why Subaru Brats had seats in the bed,
Also (Supposededly) Sprinters are built in Germany, then disassembled and shipped to the States.

You apparently know more about the "chicken tax" than I do, especially considering the fact that I have never heard of it before this article.

So, on a whole, is it good or bad for the U.S.?

/genuine question.

Do you like 70s/80s style mini pickups? If yes, then the chicken tax sucks ass. If not...meh.

I've never owned a pickup, but if I did, it'd probably be small. Still get this jingle stuck in my head:

[YouTube video: 1983 Mazda B2000 Sundowner Truck Ad]

Sakes alive, sakes alive. Mazda's got a sporty truck for just fifty seven . . . ninety five!


I learned to drive stick on a Sundowner. My dad bought a dookie brown long bed with a camper shell from a family friend. I was so embarrassed being dropped off at middle school. Now I wish I had it back.
 
5 days ago  

puffy999: drewogatory: Do you like 70s/80s style mini pickups? If yes, then the chicken tax sucks ass

Is that because American cars suck ass?

...
Oh right it's because those little pickup trucks I liked aren't made anymore *shakes fist*


I have no idea, I've only owned one American car newer than 1973 and since it was an 85 Escort 4 door with an auto I assume it was an anomaly.
 
5 days ago  

TheHighlandHowler: The Chicken Tax is why Honda and Toyota make their trucks here.
The Chicken Tax is why Subaru Brats had seats in the bed,
Also (Supposededly) Sprinters are built in Germany, then disassembled and shipped to the States.


this is what doomed about the best car ever made called the yugo. look it up.
/just kidding i'm bored.
//ithere are a few companies trying to get footholds in the usa on motorhomes, rv's, travel trailers, caravans truck camper shells-whatever you call recreation vehicles that are built elsewhere and assembled here. i can only wish.
 
5 days ago  

TheHighlandHowler: Three Crooked Squirrels: So, is it good for Tyson or Ford?

Bad for Tyson (Chicken Tax!).  Good for Ford, GMC, and Dodge...and Nissan and Toyota.


Bad for US consumers.
 
5 days ago  

Three Crooked Squirrels: TheHighlandHowler: The Chicken Tax is why Honda and Toyota make their trucks here.
The Chicken Tax is why Subaru Brats had seats in the bed,
Also (Supposededly) Sprinters are built in Germany, then disassembled and shipped to the States.

You apparently know more about the "chicken tax" than I do, especially considering the fact that I have never heard of it before this article.

So, on a whole, is it good or bad for the U.S.?

/genuine question.


Tariffs are supposed to be an equalizer to prevent companies from off shoring production or other nations from 'dumping' product into a market. Ideally tariffs are supposed to make it a bit more expensive to buy foreign goods than domestic to maintain competitiveness.

What Ford is/was doing was trying to skirt a punative tariff so they could keep offshoring their production. This is bad for the workforce and bad for the consumer. It's bad for the workforce because Ford isn't producing these vans domestically and bad for the consumer because, as per the article, it lowers domestic competition and variety and available from import.

In short these tariffs should probably be revisited as we determined during the last election cycle that punative tariffs aren't really good for anyone in the long term.
 
5 days ago  

TheHighlandHowler: Three Crooked Squirrels: So, is it good for Tyson or Ford?

Bad for Tyson (Chicken Tax!).  Good for Ford, GMC, and Dodge...and Nissan and Toyota.


Got it. Thanks. I thought you were going the other way. This makes more sense. I think.
 
5 days ago  
Ford tried to have its cake and eat it, too. This is the result.

Meanwhile, many good vehicles never came here.
 
5 days ago  

Another Government Employee: Ford tried to have its cake and eat it, too. This is the result.

Meanwhile, many good vehicles never came here.


It was always funny watching shows involving road racing or rallying in Europe and seeing some kickass Ford Focuses.

Meanwhile.... in America...
 
5 days ago  
Is the Chicken Tax the same the legislation that Mercedes-Benz helped push through congress so people would stop grey-market importing their European cars that were A) better, and B) less expensive than the bloated luxury cars Mercedes had been selling in the US for years, causing people to be unable to purchase or import any foreign cars newer than 25 years old; or is that the wrong legislation?
 
5 days ago  
I learned something new today.
 
5 days ago  
Come on, old folks.  Young Guns.

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5 days ago  
This thread just makes me think of how I miss small pickups. Most folks don't need a brodozer, but enough people just need to haul a thing or two periodically, like they go to Home Depot every now and then for some cuts of wood that'd be a pain if strapped to the roof of a car. No small pickups? They get a brodozer, or an SUV, and don't use it for most of what they paid for.

/Course, plenty of people still went with the brodozer option "just in case" even when small pickups were plentiful.
 
5 days ago  

Nullav: This thread just makes me think of how I miss small pickups. Most folks don't need a brodozer, but enough people just need to haul a thing or two periodically, like they go to Home Depot every now and then for some cuts of wood that'd be a pain if strapped to the roof of a car. No small pickups? They get a brodozer, or an SUV, and don't use it for most of what they paid for.

/Course, plenty of people still went with the brodozer option "just in case" even when small pickups were plentiful.


Yeah my 86 Nissan 720 long bed... not 100 hp, 97 mph max unless going down a hill... no AC, it had a dieseling problem sometimes even though it was a gas engine.... but 30 mpg and it cost me a whopping $200 in 2003. And I could haul anything I needed that didn't weigh a ton
 
5 days ago  
Well the 97 mph I was going down a slight hill but only a couple of degreea angle.
 
5 days ago  

TheHighlandHowler: The Chicken Tax is why Honda and Toyota make their trucks here.
The Chicken Tax is why Subaru Brats had seats in the bed,
Also (Supposededly) Sprinters are built in Germany, then disassembled and shipped to the States.


Toyota started with trucks assembled in Japan with everything but the cargo bed. They would be imported as "auto parts," run down a short assembly line in California, the cargo bed would be ZIP ZIP ZIP ZIP put on with 4 bolts, and then the truck would roll off the line "Assembled in USA."
 
5 days ago  

Three Crooked Squirrels: So, on a whole, is it good or bad for the U.S.?

/genuine question.


It's proof that tariffs work to create and retain American jobs. Americans assemble Nissan, Toyota, and Honda trucks here.
 
5 days ago  
"Ford imported Transit Connects as passenger wagons, and had a separate finishing facility here stateside which allowed the company to remove the rear seats and strip them down for conversion into cargo vans. "


Sooooooo.... what did they do with the seats?
 
5 days ago  
Let the chickens pay the chicken tax! I pay the Homer tax!
 
5 days ago  

PunkTiger: Is the Chicken Tax the same the legislation that Mercedes-Benz helped push through congress so people would stop grey-market importing their European cars that were A) better, and B) less expensive than the bloated luxury cars Mercedes had been selling in the US for years, causing people to be unable to purchase or import any foreign cars newer than 25 years old; or is that the wrong legislation?


Wrong legislation. Lyndon Johnson created the Chicken Tax.

West Germany quit importing chicken from the USA for some reason so we retaliated with a similar dollar value tax on brandy, potato starch, and trucks. At the time it was VW vans and trucks that were the only foreign import trucks, so after 1964 the 50% tariff eliminated their importation.

The tariff was lowered to 25% but it still keeps out foreign-assembled trucks, which is why Ford pulled their scheme to import vans from Turkey as passenger vehicles.
 
5 days ago  

KarmicDisaster: Sooooooo.... what did they do with the seats?


Seats went into crates to go back to Turkey for installation into new vans. Reused them over and over. Other materials (glass and then cloth/metal from seatbelts) was recycled.
 
5 days ago  

mrmopar5287: Three Crooked Squirrels: So, on a whole, is it good or bad for the U.S.?

/genuine question.

It's proof that tariffs work to create and retain American jobs. Americans assemble Nissan, Toyota, and Honda trucks here.


And other Americans pay an unavoidable premium to support that. Which used to be a personal choice, just sayin'.
 
5 days ago  

drewogatory: mrmopar5287: Three Crooked Squirrels: So, on a whole, is it good or bad for the U.S.?

/genuine question.

It's proof that tariffs work to create and retain American jobs. Americans assemble Nissan, Toyota, and Honda trucks here.

And other Americans pay an unavoidable premium to support that. Which used to be a personal choice, just sayin'.


I'd prefer if my car is built under American regulatory standards thank you very much. We shouldn't kick off a race to the bottom.
/See China for e.g.
 
5 days ago  

AllCatsAreBeautiful: drewogatory: mrmopar5287: Three Crooked Squirrels: So, on a whole, is it good or bad for the U.S.?

/genuine question.

It's proof that tariffs work to create and retain American jobs. Americans assemble Nissan, Toyota, and Honda trucks here.

And other Americans pay an unavoidable premium to support that. Which used to be a personal choice, just sayin'.

I'd prefer if my car is built under American regulatory standards thank you very much. We shouldn't kick off a race to the bottom.
/See China for e.g.


As opposed to Japanese / European standards which is what we are talking about? Chinese/Korean vehicles were still a ways off then.
 
5 days ago  

drewogatory: mrmopar5287: Three Crooked Squirrels: So, on a whole, is it good or bad for the U.S.?

/genuine question.

It's proof that tariffs work to create and retain American jobs. Americans assemble Nissan, Toyota, and Honda trucks here.

And other Americans pay an unavoidable premium to support that. Which used to be a personal choice, just sayin'.


Ford could build the vans here and pay no tariffs. How about that?

Aerostar vans were made in Saint Louis. Windstar and Freestar were made in Canada. Starting in 2022 the Transit Connect will be made in Mexico so no tariffs there.
 
5 days ago  
My '74 maverick was the most famous car in my high school.
 
5 days ago  

mrmopar5287: drewogatory: mrmopar5287: Three Crooked Squirrels: So, on a whole, is it good or bad for the U.S.?

/genuine question.

It's proof that tariffs work to create and retain American jobs. Americans assemble Nissan, Toyota, and Honda trucks here.

And other Americans pay an unavoidable premium to support that. Which used to be a personal choice, just sayin'.

Ford could build the vans here and pay no tariffs. How about that?

Aerostar vans were made in Saint Louis. Windstar and Freestar were made in Canada. Starting in 2022 the Transit Connect will be made in Mexico so no tariffs there.


Why would I give a shiat about which line monkeys screwed it together? All I give a shiat about is the total cost.
 
5 days ago  

AllCatsAreBeautiful: drewogatory: mrmopar5287: Three Crooked Squirrels: So, on a whole, is it good or bad for the U.S.?

/genuine question.

It's proof that tariffs work to create and retain American jobs. Americans assemble Nissan, Toyota, and Honda trucks here.

And other Americans pay an unavoidable premium to support that. Which used to be a personal choice, just sayin'.

I'd prefer if my car is built under American regulatory standards thank you very much. We shouldn't kick off a race to the bottom.
/See China for e.g.


Americans have regulations these days? How were they allowed to survive
 
5 days ago  

rocker5969: My '74 maverick was the most famous car in my high school.


That's a sad story. My HS was light on cool cars, but a 74 Maverick wouldn't have busted the top 100.
 
5 days ago  

drewogatory: mrmopar5287: drewogatory: mrmopar5287: Three Crooked Squirrels: So, on a whole, is it good or bad for the U.S.?

/genuine question.

It's proof that tariffs work to create and retain American jobs. Americans assemble Nissan, Toyota, and Honda trucks here.

And other Americans pay an unavoidable premium to support that. Which used to be a personal choice, just sayin'.

Ford could build the vans here and pay no tariffs. How about that?

Aerostar vans were made in Saint Louis. Windstar and Freestar were made in Canada. Starting in 2022 the Transit Connect will be made in Mexico so no tariffs there.

Why would I give a shiat about which line monkeys screwed it together? All I give a shiat about is the total cost.


So that citizens in the USA can work and prosper? Why send your money overseas?
 
5 days ago  

mrmopar5287: drewogatory: mrmopar5287: drewogatory: mrmopar5287: Three Crooked Squirrels: So, on a whole, is it good or bad for the U.S.?

/genuine question.

It's proof that tariffs work to create and retain American jobs. Americans assemble Nissan, Toyota, and Honda trucks here.

And other Americans pay an unavoidable premium to support that. Which used to be a personal choice, just sayin'.

Ford could build the vans here and pay no tariffs. How about that?

Aerostar vans were made in Saint Louis. Windstar and Freestar were made in Canada. Starting in 2022 the Transit Connect will be made in Mexico so no tariffs there.

Why would I give a shiat about which line monkeys screwed it together? All I give a shiat about is the total cost.

So that citizens in the USA can work and prosper? Why send your money overseas?


LOL, once it's out of my pocket I could care less.
 
5 days ago  

mrmopar5287: PunkTiger: Is the Chicken Tax the same the legislation that Mercedes-Benz helped push through congress so people would stop grey-market importing their European cars that were A) better, and B) less expensive than the bloated luxury cars Mercedes had been selling in the US for years, causing people to be unable to purchase or import any foreign cars newer than 25 years old; or is that the wrong legislation?

Wrong legislation. Lyndon Johnson created the Chicken Tax.

West Germany quit importing chicken from the USA for some reason so we retaliated with a similar dollar value tax on brandy, potato starch, and trucks. At the time it was VW vans and trucks that were the only foreign import trucks, so after 1964 the 50% tariff eliminated their importation.

The tariff was lowered to 25% but it still keeps out foreign-assembled trucks, which is why Ford pulled their scheme to import vans from Turkey as passenger vehicles.


Thank you. Sometimes I get the two bits of legislation confused. Thanks for setting me right.
 
5 days ago  

drewogatory: mrmopar5287: drewogatory: mrmopar5287: drewogatory: mrmopar5287: Three Crooked Squirrels: So, on a whole, is it good or bad for the U.S.?

/genuine question.

It's proof that tariffs work to create and retain American jobs. Americans assemble Nissan, Toyota, and Honda trucks here.

And other Americans pay an unavoidable premium to support that. Which used to be a personal choice, just sayin'.

Ford could build the vans here and pay no tariffs. How about that?

Aerostar vans were made in Saint Louis. Windstar and Freestar were made in Canada. Starting in 2022 the Transit Connect will be made in Mexico so no tariffs there.

Why would I give a shiat about which line monkeys screwed it together? All I give a shiat about is the total cost.

So that citizens in the USA can work and prosper? Why send your money overseas?

LOL, once it's out of my pocket I could care less.


Wow, you sound like someone I'd meet and then hopefully never run across again in my lifetime.
 
5 days ago  

The_Sponge: [Fark user image image 254x190]


That lady's eyes crack me up every time.
Priceless!
 
5 days ago  
A tariff is a barrier to trade. A high enough tariff is a wall. The wall keeps something out. It creates a space inside and a space outside.

When people ask what the tariff did, all one can do is make a list. I contend that it changed the world and made it a much worse place.

1. It made Ford and GM congenitally lazy. The whole purpose of this law of the early 60s was to PROTECT US auto manufacturers. Why compete and innovate when you can just change the rules and legislate your competition away?

2. What the US consumer got was gas guzzlers that impoverished and terrorized America in the OPEC crisis. They got decades of lower productivity, wasted material, wasted fuel, larger faster vehicles which created highway carnage for decades. Larger parking lots, wider fatter highways, and a whole transport system not built around smaller lighter vehicles, but bigger heavier vehicles.

3. This continues today! Foreign manufacturers are adapting to US consumer standards for trucks and vans, which are "made in America." The artificially inflated preference for artificially inflated vehicles means that worldwide preferences get skewed to what the US market wants. To a good degree global climate change can be attributed to this preference for LARGE trucks and vans vs. SMALL trucks and vans.

One can extrapolate from the above to get a full range of implications. If you visit non-US countries, you will see a wide range of smaller vehicles, particularly trucks and vans, that do not exist or which are rare in the US. All of those vehicles represent a rational choice by a consumer in the real, non-US world. To this very day, some guy in the US who really just needs a small cab-over minitruck is settling for an F-150 like all his buddies, just as his father and grandfather did. And he will roll coal to celebrate.
 
5 days ago  

Three Crooked Squirrels: drewogatory: mrmopar5287: drewogatory: mrmopar5287: drewogatory: mrmopar5287: Three Crooked Squirrels: So, on a whole, is it good or bad for the U.S.?

/genuine question.

It's proof that tariffs work to create and retain American jobs. Americans assemble Nissan, Toyota, and Honda trucks here.

And other Americans pay an unavoidable premium to support that. Which used to be a personal choice, just sayin'.

Ford could build the vans here and pay no tariffs. How about that?

Aerostar vans were made in Saint Louis. Windstar and Freestar were made in Canada. Starting in 2022 the Transit Connect will be made in Mexico so no tariffs there.

Why would I give a shiat about which line monkeys screwed it together? All I give a shiat about is the total cost.

So that citizens in the USA can work and prosper? Why send your money overseas?

LOL, once it's out of my pocket I could care less.

Wow, you sound like someone I'd meet and then hopefully never run across again in my lifetime.


Do you really agonize about where your consumer dollars go? That's a luxury.
 
5 days ago  

drewogatory: Three Crooked Squirrels: drewogatory: mrmopar5287: drewogatory: mrmopar5287: drewogatory: mrmopar5287: Three Crooked Squirrels: So, on a whole, is it good or bad for the U.S.?

/genuine question.

It's proof that tariffs work to create and retain American jobs. Americans assemble Nissan, Toyota, and Honda trucks here.

And other Americans pay an unavoidable premium to support that. Which used to be a personal choice, just sayin'.

Ford could build the vans here and pay no tariffs. How about that?

Aerostar vans were made in Saint Louis. Windstar and Freestar were made in Canada. Starting in 2022 the Transit Connect will be made in Mexico so no tariffs there.

Why would I give a shiat about which line monkeys screwed it together? All I give a shiat about is the total cost.

So that citizens in the USA can work and prosper? Why send your money overseas?

LOL, once it's out of my pocket I could care less.

Wow, you sound like someone I'd meet and then hopefully never run across again in my lifetime.

Do you really agonize about where your consumer dollars go? That's a luxury.


No, I just think you're an asshole.
 
5 days ago  

KarmicDisaster: "Ford imported Transit Connects as passenger wagons, and had a separate finishing facility here stateside which allowed the company to remove the rear seats and strip them down for conversion into cargo vans. "


Sooooooo.... what did they do with the seats?


Shipped them back to be installed in the next round of vehicles coming back here.

I swear this story is pretty old news though.

Good story from like 4 years ago: https://www.npr.org/sections/mon​ey/201​7/01/25/511663527/episode-632-the-chic​ken-tax
 
5 days ago  

Three Crooked Squirrels: drewogatory: Three Crooked Squirrels: drewogatory: mrmopar5287: drewogatory: mrmopar5287: drewogatory: mrmopar5287: Three Crooked Squirrels: So, on a whole, is it good or bad for the U.S.?

/genuine question.

It's proof that tariffs work to create and retain American jobs. Americans assemble Nissan, Toyota, and Honda trucks here.

And other Americans pay an unavoidable premium to support that. Which used to be a personal choice, just sayin'.

Ford could build the vans here and pay no tariffs. How about that?

Aerostar vans were made in Saint Louis. Windstar and Freestar were made in Canada. Starting in 2022 the Transit Connect will be made in Mexico so no tariffs there.

Why would I give a shiat about which line monkeys screwed it together? All I give a shiat about is the total cost.

So that citizens in the USA can work and prosper? Why send your money overseas?

LOL, once it's out of my pocket I could care less.

Wow, you sound like someone I'd meet and then hopefully never run across again in my lifetime.

Do you really agonize about where your consumer dollars go? That's a luxury.

No, I just think you're an asshole.


Three Crooked Squirrels: drewogatory: Three Crooked Squirrels: drewogatory: mrmopar5287: drewogatory: mrmopar5287: drewogatory: mrmopar5287: Three Crooked Squirrels: So, on a whole, is it good or bad for the U.S.?

/genuine question.

It's proof that tariffs work to create and retain American jobs. Americans assemble Nissan, Toyota, and Honda trucks here.

And other Americans pay an unavoidable premium to support that. Which used to be a personal choice, just sayin'.

Ford could build the vans here and pay no tariffs. How about that?

Aerostar vans were made in Saint Louis. Windstar and Freestar were made in Canada. Starting in 2022 the Transit Connect will be made in Mexico so no tariffs there.

Why would I give a shiat about which line monkeys screwed it together? All I give a shiat about is the total cost.

So that citizens in the USA can work and prosper? Why send your money overseas?

LOL, once it's out of my pocket I could care less.

Wow, you sound like someone I'd meet and then hopefully never run across again in my lifetime.

Do you really agonize about where your consumer dollars go? That's a luxury.

No, I just think you're an asshole.


Well, duh. But it's not like eating at McDonalds over the food truck. I'm not sure Ford/GM is any better of a place to spend your money than Toyota or VW, or even pays and treats their workers better. If in the end I'm paying the salary of an assembly line worker it doesn't matter much to me where they live.
 
5 days ago  
The article specifically mentions VW trucks and buses. Those were pretty rare when I was growing up. Can anyone imagine what the US would be like today if VW trucks and buses and sold like hotcakes in the US throughout the 60s? What if GM and Ford had competed instead of coasting?

By the time the oil crises in 1973 and 1975 had rolled around, Detroit would have had something reasonable to offer the American people. There would have been no Lee Iacocca or Mitt Romney. No Pinto. Maybe Carter would have been re-elected, so no Reagan? Japanese manufacturers would not have had an entry into the US market, and would have had to work that much harder to compete. The US steel industry would have received an extra decade of growth. The Detroit riots would not have happened. Billy Joel would never have written Allentown.

That competition would have produced better fuel efficiency worldwide. Climate change would have been forestalled by a decade? Two maybe?

Bah. Ford will pay the lady or it won't. Ford has blamed all its problems on others for decades. It will produce more oversized, overweight vehicles just as it has for 60 years now. It knows its consumers. It has nurtured them. It will keep milking its cash cow.
 
5 days ago  

drewogatory: mrmopar5287: drewogatory: mrmopar5287: Three Crooked Squirrels: So, on a whole, is it good or bad for the U.S.?

/genuine question.

It's proof that tariffs work to create and retain American jobs. Americans assemble Nissan, Toyota, and Honda trucks here.

And other Americans pay an unavoidable premium to support that. Which used to be a personal choice, just sayin'.

Ford could build the vans here and pay no tariffs. How about that?

Aerostar vans were made in Saint Louis. Windstar and Freestar were made in Canada. Starting in 2022 the Transit Connect will be made in Mexico so no tariffs there.

Why would I give a shiat about which line monkeys screwed it together? All I give a shiat about is the total cost.


Im not sending my dollars to St. Louis. I only buy products made in my state. But I dont want my dollars going to other corners of my state so I only buy products made in my county.
 
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