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(Axios)   Manchin: Voting reform is too partisan. Also the filibuster isn't going anywhere. Wait... this guy still claims he's a Democrat?   (axios.com) divider line
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2021-06-06 10:40:19 AM  
With friends like these, etc.
 
2021-06-06 10:45:45 AM  
Joe Manchin primer:

There's country over party; there's party over country; and then there's hold-onto-my-job over party and country.
 
2021-06-06 10:47:16 AM  
Why doesn't this clown just switch parties and get it over with? He would feel more at home and it would make it easier for him to get re-elected.
 
2021-06-06 10:51:57 AM  

Nah'mean: Why doesn't this clown just switch parties and get it over with? He would feel more at home and it would make it easier for him to get re-elected.


No. He'd be absolutely eviscerated in the GOP primary. He might lose the general, but staying a Democrat ensures he makes it to the general.
 
2021-06-06 11:01:09 AM  

Nah'mean: Why doesn't this clown just switch parties and get it over with? He would feel more at home and it would make it easier for him to get re-elected.


• He has a shiat-ton of power as a D and would have zero power as an R
• In fact, he would likely get primaried and lose if he switched

The ONLY way to neuter Manchin is to elect more democratic senators. Sinema is another story. She can be primaried, and the winner still has a good shot at the general.
 
2021-06-06 11:08:11 AM  

FlashHarry: Nah'mean: Why doesn't this clown just switch parties and get it over with? He would feel more at home and it would make it easier for him to get re-elected.

• He has a shiat-ton of power as a D and would have zero power as an R
• In fact, he would likely get primaried and lose if he switched

The ONLY way to neuter Manchin is to elect more democratic senators. Sinema is another story. She can be primaried, and the winner still has a good shot at the general.


Fark's progressive brain trust isn't going to like that dose of reality. I don't foresee them reacting reasonably to your comment.
 
2021-06-06 11:12:12 AM  

FlashHarry: Nah'mean: Why doesn't this clown just switch parties and get it over with? He would feel more at home and it would make it easier for him to get re-elected.

• He has a shiat-ton of power as a D and would have zero power as an R
• In fact, he would likely get primaried and lose if he switched

The ONLY way to neuter Manchin is to elect more democratic senators. Sinema is another story. She can be primaried, and the winner still has a good shot at the general.


Yeah, good points. I just want him to stop pretending to be a Dem and slither away.
 
2021-06-06 11:22:32 AM  

NuclearPenguins: Fark's progressive brain trust isn't going to like that dose of reality. I don't foresee them reacting reasonably to your comment.


Even though reality sucks, it's better to face it, I find.

Then again, it's always easier to protest from the gallery than actually govern. Governing requires compromise, and, well, they don't do compromise.
 
2021-06-06 11:23:56 AM  

Nah'mean: I just want him to stop pretending to be a Dem and slither away.


If that happens, we lose the Senate and all is lost.

No other democrat could win that seat. It is what makes him uniquely powerful (and uniquely infuriating).
 
2021-06-06 11:29:54 AM  

FlashHarry: Nah'mean: I just want him to stop pretending to be a Dem and slither away.

If that happens, we lose the Senate and all is lost.

No other democrat could win that seat. It is what makes him uniquely powerful (and uniquely infuriating).


For now.  Let's see what happens in 2022 when a large number of R seats are up for grabs.  Still won't get 60 but removing the filibuster has to take a high priority.
 
2021-06-06 11:30:08 AM  
I'm currently working on a rough draft of an outline for Joe Manchin's ghostwritten autobiography. The working title is A Coal Miner's Dingleberries.

/fark that guy
//and fark WV "centrists"
 
2021-06-06 11:32:54 AM  

enry: Let's see what happens in 2022 when a large number of R seats are up for grabs.


We just need to vote in droves in '22.
 
2021-06-06 11:39:43 AM  

Nah'mean: Why doesn't this clown just switch parties and get it over with? He would feel more at home and it would make it easier for him to get re-elected.


Yeah..To me, this isn't being a "moderate".. or not a leftist.  This is being a moderate republican.  (none exist of course, so that's why he's a dem)
 
2021-06-06 12:12:09 PM  

FlashHarry: enry: Let's see what happens in 2022 when a large number of R seats are up for grabs.

We just need to vote in droves in '22.


For what? We voted in droves in 2020 and Biden refuses to cancel student loan debt, Dems can't raise the minimum wage, pass voting reform, the PRO act or farking anything. What the hell is the point of voting blue no matter who? It doesn't do anything whatsoever.

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2021-06-06 12:22:22 PM  

the unabomber was right: FlashHarry: enry: Let's see what happens in 2022 when a large number of R seats are up for grabs.

We just need to vote in droves in '22.

For what? We voted in droves in 2020 and Biden refuses to cancel student loan debt, Dems can't raise the minimum wage, pass voting reform, the PRO act or farking anything. What the hell is the point of voting blue no matter who? It doesn't do anything whatsoever.

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The Dems will choke and loose. The US people must want to be miserable
 
2021-06-06 12:32:42 PM  
He needs a primary challenger. I'd rather lose WV than keep this piece of crap.
 
2021-06-06 12:38:37 PM  

Nah'mean: Why doesn't this clown just switch parties and get it over with? He would feel more at home and it would make it easier for him to get re-elected.


We don't want that. If he switched, it would turn control of the Senate back to the GOP. McConnell leader, committees run by Republicans, etc.
 
2021-06-06 12:55:06 PM  

FlashHarry: enry: Let's see what happens in 2022 when a large number of R seats are up for grabs.

We just need to vote in droves in '22.


We do. My fear is this won't happen or the GOP will dance and gaslight Americans into voting them back into power....again.

Manchin needs to be less of a dick though. The optics won't be good. Coming to voters and saying "hey, we need the democrats to have the Senate"  worked in 2020 but saying "Well, actually, we need *more* senators to actually do something" won't work well in 2022.
 
2021-06-06 1:16:21 PM  
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2021-06-06 1:22:56 PM  

shastacola: He needs a primary challenger. I'd rather lose WV than keep this piece of crap.


Manchin permitted 40,000,000 Oxy pills into West Virginia when he was Governor. Don't tell me he didn't know. How much money did he pocket?

I'd be investigating this farker to hell and back.
 
2021-06-06 1:33:22 PM  
Joe Manchin we're stuck with for awhile.

https://www.dailypress.senate.gov/?pa​g​e_id=25246

Meanwhile this is the list of what we've got to work with in 2022 unless some of these dinosaurs die early.
 
2021-06-06 1:48:24 PM  
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2021-06-06 1:52:05 PM  
This guy HAS to be wearing a disguise when he walks around in public unless he surrounded by a ring of hired goons and wears his own suit of Iron Man armor. The odds of him getting coQpunched by some rando rise by X1000 every day!
 
2021-06-06 1:53:18 PM  

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If the GQP ever seizes power, won't he be surprised when he's been rounded up and loaded onto the cattle cars along with the rest of us.
 
2021-06-06 1:53:33 PM  
West Virginia has become like the Confederacy since 1865. Same with Ohio, Kentucky, and Missouri
 
2021-06-06 1:54:27 PM  

FlashHarry: Nah'mean: I just want him to stop pretending to be a Dem and slither away.

If that happens, we lose the Senate and all is lost.

No other democrat could win that seat. It is what makes him uniquely powerful (and uniquely infuriating).


He's smart enough, too, to know that if he actually did switch parties and flip the Senate, the reward for him will me Moscow Mitch telling him to go sit in the back row and keep his mouth shut.  He's in a uniquely powerful position in this current configuration.
 
2021-06-06 1:54:46 PM  
But he's Ok with partisan gerrymandering and partisan voter suppression laws. What a tool.  Especially when Manchin does not get re-elected by losing to a real Republican.
 
2021-06-06 1:56:09 PM  
vOtE bLuE nO mAtTeR wHo
 
2021-06-06 1:56:12 PM  
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2021-06-06 1:56:19 PM  
Good.

Especially the part where Manchin said he won't support eliminating the filibuster and points out the hypocrisy of Democrats who have benefited from it in the past
 
2021-06-06 1:58:20 PM  

FlashHarry: enry: Let's see what happens in 2022 when a large number of R seats are up for grabs.

We just need to vote in droves in '22.


Good news everyone!  You won't be allowed to, and if you do the newly empowered state legislatures will just overturn the election due to "fraud"

Wait, that's not good news at all...
 
2021-06-06 1:59:06 PM  
I'm tired of the word "partisan". Can we tell it to fark off, already?
 
2021-06-06 1:59:08 PM  

Sumo Surfer: Good.

Especially the part where Manchin said he won't support eliminating the filibuster and points out the hypocrisy of Democrats who have benefited from it in the past


Oh BS. The current moment is nothing like the past.

If the Dems don't get rid of the filibuster and pass voting reform there won't be anything left worth saving.
 
2021-06-06 1:59:38 PM  

Badmoodman: Joe Manchin primer:

There's country over party; there's party over country; and then there's hold-onto-my-job over party and country.


Somewhat. IIRC CNN had an article where they spoke to a number of Manchin voters and discovered that a lot of them are getting tired of his insistence that they play football with Lucy to get anything passed. They already know Lucy is just going to do what Lucy does constantly and nothing will get done.
 
2021-06-06 2:00:00 PM  
Of course it's partisan. The other party literally only wants "the right people" to vote, and is passing laws locally to do so. Christ, how can you be this dense?
 
2021-06-06 2:01:39 PM  

runwiz: But he's Ok with partisan gerrymandering and partisan voter suppression laws. What a tool.  Especially when Manchin does not get re-elected by losing to a real Republican.


He has said that he supports renewing the Voter Rights Act, which would give the federal government some powers to fight this, but I don't think that it's strong enough given what is being proposed and passed by Republican legislatures now.
 
2021-06-06 2:03:20 PM  
Yeah and under the Democrat machine he will win the primary and be re-elected.

I am really beginning to re-consider voting at all.
 
2021-06-06 2:04:39 PM  

jake_lex: FlashHarry: Nah'mean: I just want him to stop pretending to be a Dem and slither away.

If that happens, we lose the Senate and all is lost.

No other democrat could win that seat. It is what makes him uniquely powerful (and uniquely infuriating).

He's smart enough, too, to know that if he actually did switch parties and flip the Senate, the reward for him will me Moscow Mitch telling him to go sit in the back row and keep his mouth shut.  He's in a uniquely powerful position in this current configuration.


he's powerful and isn't doing anything with it!

Like if he seemed to be leveraging his position in order to get funds sent to WV for whatever he wanted like we expected at the beginning of the year, that'd be understandable, but that appears not to be the case, and he's even allowing a mechanism that would prevent that action from being taken in the first place to persist! If he swapped to R and became some nobody (assuming he kept his seat), he'd be no worse off, because he's not doing anything
 
2021-06-06 2:04:52 PM  
Manchin, and his army of white knights, all need to be punted in the genitals so hard their grand children will feel the after effects.
 
2021-06-06 2:06:09 PM  

andrewagill: Nah'mean: Why doesn't this clown just switch parties and get it over with? He would feel more at home and it would make it easier for him to get re-elected.

No. He'd be absolutely eviscerated in the GOP primary. He might lose the general, but staying a Democrat ensures he makes it to the general.


In Canada, his riding association would refuse to have him as their candidate in the next election anyway.

How does it work that someone can be a Republican in action but run as a Democrat, and the Democratic Party actually lets that happen?
 
2021-06-06 2:07:54 PM  

Nah'mean: FlashHarry: Nah'mean: Why doesn't this clown just switch parties and get it over with? He would feel more at home and it would make it easier for him to get re-elected.

• He has a shiat-ton of power as a D and would have zero power as an R
• In fact, he would likely get primaried and lose if he switched

The ONLY way to neuter Manchin is to elect more democratic senators. Sinema is another story. She can be primaried, and the winner still has a good shot at the general.

Yeah, good points. I just want him to stop pretending to be a Dem and slither away.


Why do you want so desperately for McConnell to have control of the Senate again?
 
2021-06-06 2:08:51 PM  

FlashHarry: The ONLY way to neuter Manchin is to elect more democratic senators.


So much THIS.

It's funny, you'd think that given the Manchin/Sinema problem, the obvious response of those of us who care would be "What can we do to make them not a problem anymore?".

Yet plenty of online politics nerds go with "Who can I accuse of drinking mimosas and eating brunch?" instead.
 
2021-06-06 2:09:01 PM  

psilocyberguy: shastacola: He needs a primary challenger. I'd rather lose WV than keep this piece of crap.

Manchin permitted 40,000,000 Oxy pills into West Virginia when he was Governor. Don't tell me he didn't know. How much money did he pocket?

I'd be investigating this farker to hell and back.


Someone needs to ask Psaki a question about this.
 
2021-06-06 2:10:22 PM  
But the real issue is that Bernie isn't a Democrat.
 
2021-06-06 2:10:43 PM  

shastacola: He needs a primary challenger. I'd rather lose WV than keep this piece of crap.


At least you're honest about that.  So that's something, I guess.
 
2021-06-06 2:10:45 PM  

the unabomber was right: FlashHarry: enry: Let's see what happens in 2022 when a large number of R seats are up for grabs.

We just need to vote in droves in '22.

For what? We voted in droves in 2020 and Biden refuses to cancel student loan debt, Dems can't raise the minimum wage, pass voting reform, the PRO act or farking anything. What the hell is the point of voting blue no matter who? It doesn't do anything whatsoever.

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*Manchin declares he's not voting for the voting rights act or to end the filibuster, despite the fact that the entire Democratic party is for those things*

"Curse you Biden and Pelosi, I'm never voting Democrat again!"
 
2021-06-06 2:12:16 PM  
The thing about this too partisan bullshiat is that the people that are getting cut out don't belong to either party. They're just lowly tax paying Americans seeking to vote for the candidate they believe will best represent them.

How stupid, right?
 
2021-06-06 2:12:47 PM  

bluejeansonfire: vOtE bLuE nO mAtTeR wHo


I mean, yes, though? If you're a West Virginian and you have a choice between Manchin and a Republican, he's obviously the better choice. And FPTP ensures there are only two choices.

In the primaries, "Blue no matter who" doesn't apply, because they're all blue.

Don't get me wrong, I despise Manchin and I look forward to what will hopefully be a horrible, terror-filled death for him, but I'm not really sure what the counterpart to "vote blue no matter who is," since the other choice is voting Republican.
 
2021-06-06 2:14:02 PM  
Pass the John Lewis Voting Rights Act instead.

It's not everything but it is something

Manchin & Sinema already support it

When it passes without a single Republican vote back Manchin into a corner and ask

WTF you ass-brained asshole!?
One voting rights act was too partisan but the other one is fine!?

What's wrong with you you farking dipshiat!?

Can't you find 10 Republicans to suck you off?
 
2021-06-06 2:14:06 PM  
But as to the headline, yeah, voting rights are an incredibly partisan issue.  THAT'S THE WHOLE FARKING PROBLEM.
 
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