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2021-06-06 1:36:00 AM  
You mean aside from manchego? Or pecorino? Or feta?

/at least the tag checks out
 
2021-06-06 2:30:39 AM  
Like Venezuelan beaver cheese?
 
2021-06-06 3:05:50 AM  
Because vegans should suffer a sad cheeseless life
 
2021-06-06 3:30:10 AM  

Farking Clown Shoes: You mean aside from manchego? Or pecorino? Or feta?

/at least the tag checks out


...and Kraft American Singles and Velveeta and....
 
2021-06-06 3:44:33 AM  
I had that moment of wondering what the fark was wrong with sheep or goat cheese based on the tag but after reading the article I can confirm. Pretend non dairy cheese like substances are terrible unless you have no taste buds or have never tasted good cheese.

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2021-06-06 4:19:46 AM  
Chevre doesn't count?
 
2021-06-06 4:38:06 AM  
The Impossible Burgers of cheese?

We've snipped dicks for millennia to avoid that.
 
2021-06-06 4:45:37 AM  
The biomolecular wizards are working on making whey, milk fats, and most importantly casein by fermentation. Decent non-cow cheese is on its way.
 
2021-06-06 4:48:43 AM  
Somehow this topic led me to look up milking a cat and the results were golden.
 
2021-06-06 4:59:51 AM  

red5ish: Somehow this topic led me to look up milking a cat and the results were golden.


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2021-06-06 5:12:58 AM  

Kat09tails: I had that moment of wondering what the fark was wrong with sheep or goat cheese based on the tag but after reading the article I can confirm. Pretend non dairy cheese like substances are terrible unless you have no taste buds or have never tasted good cheese.

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I really enjoy eating both lamb and goat meat but damn those cheeses are awful as far as I'm concerned. It's like what I imagine licking a sheep udder to taste like.

But yeah, pretend cheese also terrible.
 
2021-06-06 5:31:55 AM  

hubiestubert: Chevre doesn't count?


Nope, they said stretchy.  So pecorino romano, feta, ricotta salata and such don't work, either.

You'd need a manchego, petit basque, or a goat gouda.

The best non-cow cheese like they're asking for I ever had I can't remember the name of.  I had gotten it from Wegmans a few years ago, and I want to say it was a sheep cheese and had one word name.  When I went back the next time, I didn't see it and haven't seen it since.

It has a little sharpness to it, but still melted well. I think it said it had rosemary in it, but it wasn't one of those that was rolled in herbs.  It's been long enough that I can't even remember the country of origin. (Italian?  Spanish?  I remember it was European). It also came from a rounded wheel, like Gouda, not a cylindrical one like Manchego.

But as they're actually looking for a vegan cheese, I've had a good vegan mozzarella once when I was staying over at a friend's house.  It melted well, stretched, etc.  But I don't know what it was.  Might've been almond or coconut milk. Or even hemp (I was in Colorado). It wasn't bean-y like soy milk. Great for pizza, but I don't know if it was a good burger cheese.
 
2021-06-06 5:41:09 AM  

Aussie_As: Kat09tails: I had that moment of wondering what the fark was wrong with sheep or goat cheese based on the tag but after reading the article I can confirm. Pretend non dairy cheese like substances are terrible unless you have no taste buds or have never tasted good cheese.

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I really enjoy eating both lamb and goat meat but damn those cheeses are awful as far as I'm concerned. It's like what I imagine licking a sheep udder to taste like.

But yeah, pretend cheese also terrible.


There is a huge range of 'funkiness' in goat and sheep cheeses

I've heard that the major factor is if they keep males near the milking herd.  If they do, the females will emit pheromones that end up on the milk.

I noticed the greatest variety in soft cheeses like chèvre, but as I had to give up cows milk 10+ years ago, I don't know that I'm still as sensitive to it anymore

In general, I find people are more accepting of sheep cheeses than goat cheeses

One of my friends is okay with pecorino romano if it's grated, but not when it's shredded, so it's possible that there are other factors in play, too
 
2021-06-06 5:55:27 AM  
I also wonder if the gums used in booza (stretchy ice cream) would help in vegan cheese, or if that's still relying on the milk

(Those gums are rare, though.  There was even a point when one of them couldn't be exported from the county of origin as it was so limited)

And I vaguely remember a friend (the vegetarian from Colorado) sending me an article on making vegan cheese, but I never tried it.  I remember they advocated for *not* using a single type of plant milk.  I don't remember if they recommended mixing types like a nut milk plus a grain milk, but I suspect that's what's going to be needed in the end.

(And the mozzarella might've been cashew?   Or coconut?  I think it was either before oat milk was out there, or maybe when it was only in coffee shops)
 
2021-06-06 6:01:06 AM  
As someone who is allergic to all milk products, please keep researching it. There are some decent ones out there. Daiya gluten free (yes, allergic to gluten too) dairy free pizza satisfies my pizza lust, some times.

My milk allergy causes sinus infections and they are not fun. I miss my casomorphine.
 
2021-06-06 9:21:42 AM  
So...tofu?
 
2021-06-06 9:39:35 AM  
There's a place near me that specializes in goat cheeses, both plain and various additions.  Great stuff, if a little expensive.
 
2021-06-06 10:05:58 AM  

theteacher: As someone who is allergic to all milk products, please keep researching it. There are some decent ones out there. Daiya gluten free (yes, allergic to gluten too) dairy free pizza satisfies my pizza lust, some times.

My milk allergy causes sinus infections and they are not fun. I miss my casomorphine.


If you're just allergic to lactose, there are good lactose free cheeses available.
 
2021-06-06 11:19:28 AM  
There's a stuff I found called chao - better than cheese, at least my variety is. (Don't know threw the wrapper away). Melts well and everything.

You just have to try them. I found a cheddar variety that does well cold but doesn't melt well, a similar mozzarella etc.
 
2021-06-06 12:29:42 PM  

LouisZepher: So...tofu?


Was about to say that.  You want vegetarian cheese, you need a decent source of vegetable fat.
 
2021-06-06 12:38:55 PM  
The limitation on Vegan cheeses stems mostly from how hard it is to milk a Vegan.
Get consent, people.
 
2021-06-06 1:05:58 PM  

theteacher: As someone who is allergic to all milk products, please keep researching it. There are some decent ones out there. Daiya gluten free (yes, allergic to gluten too) dairy free pizza satisfies my pizza lust, some times.

My milk allergy causes sinus infections and they are not fun. I miss my casomorphine.


I like the fermented cashew cheese spreads, but they don't really work for pizza.
 
2021-06-06 1:25:09 PM  
Goat cheese is good.

Goat meat is tasty also, but it is a bit stringy and gets caught in my teeth more than lamb or beef.

Things I do not need:

horse cheese
sheep cheese
female of the Yak cheese* *I forget what they call them, but they are not yaks, yaks are the bulls, the cows are something else.
 
2021-06-06 1:26:20 PM  
It's not milk unless it comes from a female mammal. Or possibly a pigeon. There may be a few other exceptions, most likely among marsupials and other odd birds.
 
2021-06-06 3:13:45 PM  

brantgoose: Goat cheese is good.

Goat meat is tasty also, but it is a bit stringy and gets caught in my teeth more than lamb or beef.

Things I do not need:

horse cheese
sheep cheese
female of the Yak cheese* *I forget what they call them, but they are not yaks, yaks are the bulls, the cows are something else.


Dri
 
2021-06-06 3:43:09 PM  
Lots of cheese is made from not-cows....

It's "cheese" that isn't made from the milk of a creature that sucks.
 
2021-06-06 3:44:58 PM  
The proletariat needs to wake up, Kraft is keeping pig cheese from us!
 
2021-06-06 4:13:13 PM  
If you're going to give up eating animal products then you are giving up eating cheese which is an animal product. That's the price you pay. Nobody is forcing you to give up eating cheese; that's a decision you made for yourself. Personally I don't see any moral problem with cheese.
 
2021-06-06 5:48:01 PM  

brantgoose: It's not milk unless it comes from a female mammal. Or possibly a pigeon. There may be a few other exceptions, most likely among marsupials and other odd birds.


Nonsense. Almond milk, by that name, goes back to at least the 12th century in Persian, Baghdadi, and European cookbooks.
 
2021-06-06 7:01:07 PM  
I know there are awesome professional food scientists working on this, but it *seems* like it wouldn't be that hard.  Make an emulsion of fat/moisture/protein that can be gooey when you get it hot.

I have a bunch of proteins and emulsifiers and weird sh*t in the cupboard - maybe i should try making some of the vegan cheese recipes on youtube before I go shooting my mouth off about how easy it seems.  I do like projects.
 
2021-06-06 8:17:46 PM  

anuran: brantgoose: It's not milk unless it comes from a female mammal. Or possibly a pigeon. There may be a few other exceptions, most likely among marsupials and other odd birds.

Nonsense. Almond milk, by that name, goes back to at least the 12th century in Persian, Baghdadi, and European cookbooks.


And that's the crux of a decades old argument about usage.  Ditto "meat" and "flesh" since we use those with plants too, though that specific term seems to be debated for centuries rather than decades.

All of the most common varieties of the major brands like Silk, Almond Breeze, and Pacific Organic load their up with other stuff like sugar, thickeners, and salt.  It's the extra added sugar that gets me, though many do make unsweentened kind that are harder to find for me.  There have even been a few brands that were sneaking in animal milk and arguing that "Almond milk" is a product name and not descriptive.

/give me a good Gouda, Brie, and caciaocavallo any day.
 
2021-06-06 10:18:39 PM  

red5ish: If you're going to give up eating animal products then you are giving up eating cheese which is an animal product. That's the price you pay. Nobody is forcing you to give up eating cheese; that's a decision you made for yourself. Personally I don't see any moral problem with cheese.


A small amount can be fine, but on an industrial scale, they are keeping the cows pregnant all the time basically to keep them producing milk year-round. Then they (and their calves) all get slaughtered for low-grade meat.

That being said, I'm vegetarian but still eat cheese.
 
2021-06-06 10:41:20 PM  

anuran: The biomolecular wizards are working on making whey, milk fats, and most importantly casein by fermentation. Decent non-cow cheese is on its way.


So instead of exploiting a couple hundred cows that get 24/7 room and board and free medical, vegans are happy exploiting a few billion yeast and bacteria that then get flushed down the toilet
 
2021-06-06 10:43:19 PM  

whither_apophis: anuran: The biomolecular wizards are working on making whey, milk fats, and most importantly casein by fermentation. Decent non-cow cheese is on its way.

So instead of exploiting a couple hundred cows that get 24/7 room and board and free medical, vegans are happy exploiting a few billion yeast and bacteria that then get flushed down the toilet


Guys get used to flushing a few billion living organisms on a regular basis!
 
2021-06-06 11:02:52 PM  

whither_apophis: anuran: The biomolecular wizards are working on making whey, milk fats, and most importantly casein by fermentation. Decent non-cow cheese is on its way.

So instead of exploiting a couple hundred cows that get 24/7 room and board and free medical, vegans are happy exploiting a few billion yeast and bacteria that then get flushed down the toilet


to be fair, yeast are a bunch of dicks
 
2021-06-06 11:14:24 PM  

Farking Clown Shoes: You mean aside from manchego? Or pecorino? Or feta?

/at least the tag checks out


Came here for this, leaving for some chevre & herbs on fettucine.
 
2021-06-06 11:34:10 PM  

red5ish: Somehow this topic led me to look up milking a cat and the results were golden.


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2021-06-07 12:51:47 AM  

The Brains: There's a stuff I found called chao - better than cheese, at least my variety is. (Don't know threw the wrapper away). Melts well and everything.

You just have to try them. I found a cheddar variety that does well cold but doesn't melt well, a similar mozzarella etc.


hunh, that brand was new to me! - I do like to try on the fake-cheeses every couple years or so. looks like Tarzhe carries it, will ask the waifu to keep an eye out.
 
2021-06-07 1:49:17 AM  

cousin-merle: red5ish: If you're going to give up eating animal products then you are giving up eating cheese which is an animal product. That's the price you pay. Nobody is forcing you to give up eating cheese; that's a decision you made for yourself. Personally I don't see any moral problem with cheese.

A small amount can be fine, but on an industrial scale, they are keeping the cows pregnant all the time basically to keep them producing milk year-round. Then they (and their calves) all get slaughtered for low-grade meat.

That being said, I'm vegetarian but still eat cheese.


I just finished reading an article about some dairy farms in Northern California that are getting better prices for their grass-fed, pasture-raised organic cows (these are not grain-fed pen-raised industrial dairies). If they can make this practice financially viable/attractive to more dairies it will mean better lives for more cows.

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