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2021-06-05 6:22:05 PM  
Didn't you get that memo?
 
2021-06-05 6:27:34 PM  
Kay Rodgers graduated from Lee High School in 1961, when it was still segregated. She told the March 25 town hall that she comes from a military family and has lived in Jacksonville since 1958.

So you come from a military family but you want to commemorate an officer who betrayed his country and waged war against them?  Ever seen Corialanus?


"I am not racist, I never have been racist," she said. "I want you to save the name. I want you to save the history. I want you to save the school. And I want you to save it for our future generations. But if you keep on going the way it is, and if you change the name, I can promise you in 10 years this will not be a good school."


I have news for you, dear.  You're a racist.
 
2021-06-05 6:28:25 PM  
[There was] nostalgia for what people in the American South at that time still saw as kind of a lingering feeling of a region that had been marginalized by the rest of the United States

Well, yeah, go declare war on anybody and they'll probably marginalize you upside the head a few times.
 
2021-06-05 6:31:14 PM  
Aw, I thought that this was going to be about you know who.
 
2021-06-05 6:32:18 PM  
I'm so goddamned sick of these racist-ass white people.
 
2021-06-05 6:32:19 PM  
School was built in 1927.  The only way the racism could be more blatant is if they called it Ku Klux Klan high.
 
2021-06-05 6:33:45 PM  

KarmicDisaster: Aw, I thought that this was going to be about you know who.


No, that's a middle school.

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2021-06-05 6:34:11 PM  
Why name a building after a ... what was it, Colonel?
 
2021-06-05 6:34:55 PM  

Snapper Carr: Kay Rodgers graduated from Lee High School in 1961, when it was still segregated. She told the March 25 town hall that she comes from a military family and has lived in Jacksonville since 1958.

So you come from a military family but you want to commemorate an officer who betrayed his country and waged war against them?  Ever seen Corialanus?


"I am not racist, I never have been racist," she said. "I want you to save the name. I want you to save the history. I want you to save the school. And I want you to save it for our future generations. But if you keep on going the way it is, and if you change the name, I can promise you in 10 years this will not be a good school."


I have news for you, dear.  You're a racist.


+1 for obscure Shakespeare reference.
 
2021-06-05 6:35:53 PM  

Snapper Carr: Kay Rodgers graduated from Lee High School in 1961, when it was still segregated. She told the March 25 town hall that she comes from a military family and has lived in Jacksonville since 1958.

So you come from a military family but you want to commemorate an officer who betrayed his country and waged war against them?  Ever seen Corialanus?

"I am not racist, I never have been racist," she said. "I want you to save the name. I want you to save the history. I want you to save the school. And I want you to save it for our future generations. But if you keep on going the way it is, and if you change the name, I can promise you in 10 years this will not be a good school."

I have news for you, dear.  You're a racist.


Also from TFA: Robert Lawrence, who is white, told NPR he still feels a strong connection to his alma mater. He graduated from Lee in 1980. "To us, it's not Robert E. Lee, the general. It's Robert E. Lee, the high school," Lawrence said. "I haven't heard anybody offended by the name until recently." Robert Lawrence graduated from Robert E. Lee High School in 1980. Lawrence is among the Lee alumni who oppose changing the school's name. Lawrence spent his senior year portraying the school's mascot, a Confederate general, during football games.

Also this guy.
 
2021-06-05 6:36:25 PM  

Snapper Carr: Kay Rodgers graduated from Lee High School in 1961, when it was still segregated. She told the March 25 town hall that she comes from a military family and has lived in Jacksonville since 1958.

So you come from a military family but you want to commemorate an officer who betrayed his country and waged war against them?  Ever seen Corialanus?


"I am not racist, I never have been racist," she said. "I want you to save the name. I want you to save the history. I want you to save the school. And I want you to save it for our future generations. But if you keep on going the way it is, and if you change the name, I can promise you in 10 years this will not be a good school."


I have news for you, dear.  You're a racist.


Was she ever able to explain why the name of a school determines how good it will be?? Also, that sounded more like a threat than a promise.
 
2021-06-05 6:36:57 PM  

Telephone Sanitizer Second Class: KarmicDisaster: Aw, I thought that this was going to be about you know who.

No, that's a middle school.

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More schools should be named after him

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On a side note, I highly recommend his Live at Ronnie Scott's DVD/Blu Ray.  It's fantastic
 
2021-06-05 6:41:31 PM  
"I am not racist, I never have been racist," she said.

narrator: she absolutely is a racist
 
2021-06-05 6:42:37 PM  

austerity101: I'm so goddamned sick of these racist-ass white people.


As a white person, you have no idea how much i loathe these white racist trash.
 
2021-06-05 6:45:41 PM  
"To us, it's not Robert E. Lee, the general. It's Robert E. Lee, the high school," Lawrence said. "I haven't heard anybody offended by the name until recently."

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It is intentional.
 
2021-06-05 6:46:48 PM  
This is the same Robert E Lee HS where a teacher was suspended for supporting BLM.

https://www.cnn.com/2021/06/03/us/flo​r​ida-teacher-blm-flag-lawsuit-trnd/inde​x.html?utm_source=fark&utm_medium=webs​ite&utm_content=link&ICID=ref_fark
A Florida teacher is suing her school district for allegedly retaliating against her after she spoke out about racism


I expect  Florida Education commissioner Richard Corcoran to step in and screw with the situation.
https://www.fark.com/comments/1147802​5​/It-seems-faculty-race-relations-at-Ro​bert-E-Lee-High-School-could-use-some-​improvement#new


> The state's education commissioner Richard Corcoran recently announced a proposal to prohibit teachers from expressing personal views or attempting to "indoctrinate or persuade students" to perspectives inconsistent with the state's learning standards.
> "I'm getting sued right now in Duval County, which is in Jacksonville, because there was an entire classroom memorialized to Black Lives Matter," he said at an event in May for Hillsdale College in Michigan. "We made sure she was terminated and now we're being sued by every one of the liberal left groups for freedom of speech issues."



Education commissioner Richard Corcoran seems to be the real problem here. Lets see, what is his personal opinion on public education?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Richard​_​Corcoran#Personal_life
Corcoran resides in Land o' Lakes, Florida. His wife, Anne Corcoran, is active in the Barney Charter School Initiative affiliated with Hillsdale College.[42][51] They have six children, who were homeschooled[2] and then attended Classical Prep in Spring Hill, Florida, which Anne Corcoran founded and where she acted as CEO.[52]


So he is a mini de Vos who wants to destroy public education, has never used it, and his only qualification for the job is that he is a Republican politician.

And their association with Hillsdale College?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hillsda​l​e_College
Since the late 20th century, in order to opt out of federal affirmative action policies, Hillsdale has been among a small number of US colleges to decline governmental financial support, instead depending entirely on private funding to supplement students' tuition.[6][7][5]
 
2021-06-05 6:47:03 PM  
What kind of life does she have where the renaming of a school she went to for 3 years over 40 years ago has that big of an impact on her??
Can't really say I talk to anyone from my highschool let alone care what happens to it
 
2021-06-05 6:48:10 PM  
Only a the greatest losers-in-life give a shiat about the name of their high school after they've left high school.  If the majority of kids that go there now want to change the name to honor whoever they want, the name should be changed.
 
2021-06-05 6:49:15 PM  
It's so sad these people are so wrapped up in their identity as graduates of this high school, even 20-30 years later. It's not "Robert Lawrence, city councilman and local bakery owner" it's "Robert Lawrence, that guy who wore the school mascot costume that one year."

It reveals a kind of hopelessness and desperation to cling to the last remnants of dreams that are long gone. Bruce Springsteen's Glory Days, John Mellencamp's Jack and Diane, and Tracy Chapman's Fast Car tell this story so well.
 
2021-06-05 6:56:38 PM  
How pathetic do you have to be to care about the name of your high school?
 
2021-06-05 6:59:46 PM  
Someone should propose renaming it to Benedict Arnold High School, and record the reactions of the patriots. You could really screw with them and propose William Sherman High School, and then ask them how they feel.
 
2021-06-05 7:01:38 PM  

RasIanI: "To us, it's not Robert E. Lee, the general. It's Robert E. Lee, the high school," Lawrence said. "I haven't heard anybody offended by the name until recently."

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It is intentional.


I'm sure her one black "friend," who also happens to clean her house, has never said anything about it being offensive, so it's all just a bunch of BLM and antifa gobbledygook.
 
2021-06-05 7:02:23 PM  
"I want to help students, I want to help them learn, I want to help them become good citizens, but I don't see how changing the name is going to do that," Lawrence said. "If you do change the name, the alumni will disappear. Their support will disappear."

So the alumni are petty enough to say "Screw the students. Screw the community I grew up in. They aren't getting a penny from me because they changed the name of the school."?

Then perhaps you aren't as good of a person as you think you are.
 
2021-06-05 7:03:29 PM  

UNC_Samurai: How pathetic do you have to be to care about the name of your high school?


If that is the highest level of education you could have obtained, based on your abilities or finances, then that was your end-all and be-all. Look at how people defend their college alma matter, no matter what scandal hits the press.
Personally, I would rather forget about my years in high school, and reflect on my subsequent better days.
 
2021-06-05 7:04:52 PM  
Today I learned Kirby Smithdom was a thing....
 
2021-06-05 7:06:59 PM  
A good compromise *LOL* would be to change all the Lee Elementary to Longstreet Elementary.

/ For those who don't know, Longstreet supported The Reconstruction and Grant. He's about as welcome as interracial marriage.
 
2021-06-05 7:10:59 PM  

PiperArrow: Snapper Carr: Kay Rodgers graduated from Lee High School in 1961, when it was still segregated. She told the March 25 town hall that she comes from a military family and has lived in Jacksonville since 1958.

So you come from a military family but you want to commemorate an officer who betrayed his country and waged war against them?  Ever seen Corialanus?

"I am not racist, I never have been racist," she said. "I want you to save the name. I want you to save the history. I want you to save the school. And I want you to save it for our future generations. But if you keep on going the way it is, and if you change the name, I can promise you in 10 years this will not be a good school."

I have news for you, dear.  You're a racist.

Also from TFA: Robert Lawrence, who is white, told NPR he still feels a strong connection to his alma mater. He graduated from Lee in 1980. "To us, it's not Robert E. Lee, the general. It's Robert E. Lee, the high school," Lawrence said. "I haven't heard anybody offended by the name until recently." Robert Lawrence graduated from Robert E. Lee High School in 1980. Lawrence is among the Lee alumni who oppose changing the school's name. Lawrence spent his senior year portraying the school's mascot, a Confederate general, during football games.

Also this guy.


Like we needed the "who is white" bit..
 
2021-06-05 7:16:19 PM  

RasIanI: "I am not racist, I never have been racist," she said.

narrator: she absolutely is a racist


Only racists have to tell you they aren't racist.
 
2021-06-05 7:16:24 PM  
I went to Lee Academy (7-12). On Lee Drive. Private Xtian Gilead shiat. Prayer/pledge every morning. Grew up with a picture of Lee/Jackson in our living room, which is now hanging in my mom's nursing home room. Burn it all down. Take that shiat to the museum where they just took NBF.
*spits on ground*
 
2021-06-05 7:16:46 PM  
So you went to Robert E Lee in 1980.  Your grandkid D's will be delighted to attend Standard Education Center, Grades 9 through 12 #8675309.

Crap that number has stalker history.  Is 8675310 available?
 
2021-06-05 7:18:57 PM  
I went to Fort Lee, Fort Jackson, Fort Eustis and Fort Hood.  Not sure about Eustis.  Just wanted so easy pity because I was at Fort Eustis.  Even Uncle Sam Thinks It Sucks.
 
2021-06-05 7:19:55 PM  
White Males clinging to the power structure that gave them their privilege.
Vs
Minority Women trying to tear it down and make society more egalitarian.

You would think that white men would pick their battles wisely instead of clinging to idolatry and systemic abuses.
 
2021-06-05 7:23:50 PM  

Harry Freakstorm: I went to Fort Lee, Fort Jackson, Fort Eustis and Fort Hood.  Not sure about Eustis.  Just wanted so easy pity because I was at Fort Eustis.  Even Uncle Sam Thinks It Sucks.


The Army honored John Bell Hood and Braxton Bragg with forts, because of their contributions to the Union war effort.  They did more for the north than many federal generals.
 
2021-06-05 7:25:03 PM  
The amount of alumni who give a shiat about what the name of their highschool is farking pathetic.  How boring are you and how pathetic is your life that your identity is wrapped around a highschool?

It's gotta be that, because if it's not about the highschool and it's name it just means YOU'RE A farkING RACIST.  Or it could be both, you're racist and have done nothing with your life so your highschool's racist name is the only defining feature of your life.

Both are pathetic at the same level.  If highschool you went to is the biggest defining thing in your life that your identity is wrapped around it, you've done absolutely nothing with your life.

Don't get me wrong, I had a blast in highschool, great memories, and I wouldn't change much about my time there, but my highschool doesn't define me.  It could get torn down, it could change it's name, it wouldn't have any positive or negative effect on me.  Those memories and experiences would still exist.

Being so wrapped up in your school's name that it upsets you is worse than the AL Bundy HS QB that's done nothing with their life and has nothing to talk about but their "famous" HS football career.

At least people like that did something in highschool to make it memorable.  But just going to a school you were forced to by law and you're this attached to it?

Just farking pathetic you racists.
 
2021-06-05 7:44:03 PM  

Al Tsheimers: Someone should propose renaming it to Benedict Arnold High School, and record the reactions of the patriots. You could really screw with them and propose William Sherman High School, and then ask them how they feel.


How about Adolph Hitler High School? Pretty sure they'd be okay with that.
 
2021-06-05 7:47:33 PM  

Exile On Beale Street: I went to Lee Academy (7-12). On Lee Drive. Private Xtian Gilead shiat. Prayer/pledge every morning. Grew up with a picture of Lee/Jackson in our living room, which is now hanging in my mom's nursing home room. Burn it all down. Take that shiat to the museum where they just took NBF.
*spits on ground*


Check the thread from 06/02 about the disabled kid for more...
/sorry, got no linking skills...
 
2021-06-05 7:56:17 PM  

Night Train to Wakanda: White Males clinging to the power structure that gave them their privilege.
Vs
Minority Women trying to tear it down and make society more egalitarian.

You would think that white men would pick their battles wisely instead of clinging to idolatry and systemic abuses.


Well you showed why they wouldn't.  They're scared that getting rid of the thing that gave them their privilege/advantage.

Irony being their primary argument against doing this is that we already live in a meritocracy, so there is no need to change the system.  If they're already superior, they shouldn't be so scared.
 
2021-06-05 7:59:55 PM  

UNC_Samurai: Harry Freakstorm: I went to Fort Lee, Fort Jackson, Fort Eustis and Fort Hood.  Not sure about Eustis.  Just wanted so easy pity because I was at Fort Eustis.  Even Uncle Sam Thinks It Sucks.

The Army honored John Bell Hood and Braxton Bragg with forts, because of their contributions to the Union war effort.  They did more for the north than many federal generals.


My dad always enjoys a good discussion about the best fortune the union had during the civil war. It's usually Jackson being shot by his own troops or finding Lee's marching orders in the cigar wrapping. Occasionally he'll bring up Bragg coming back to the military as an option. His favorite is Lincoln assigning Grant to the western front. Then he looks at you, nudges your should and winks while saying "because that's where the whiskey was."
 
2021-06-05 8:01:56 PM  

SonOfSpam: Al Tsheimers: Someone should propose renaming it to Benedict Arnold High School, and record the reactions of the patriots. You could really screw with them and propose William Sherman High School, and then ask them how they feel.

How about Adolph Hitler High School? Pretty sure they'd be okay with that.


If we're naming schools after people who had major impacts on our history we should also add:

Osama Bin Laden
Stalin
Chairman Mao
King George III

To name a handful.
 
2021-06-05 8:27:16 PM  

dkulprit: Night Train to Wakanda: White Males clinging to the power structure that gave them their privilege.
Vs
Minority Women trying to tear it down and make society more egalitarian.

You would think that white men would pick their battles wisely instead of clinging to idolatry and systemic abuses.

Well you showed why they wouldn't.  They're scared that getting rid of the thing that gave them their privilege/advantage.

Irony being their primary argument against doing this is that we already live in a meritocracy, so there is no need to change the system.  If they're already superior, they shouldn't be so scared.


Which is ultimately what it comes down to.

If they're so afraid of being forced to compete instead of being handed things on a silver platter that shows how fundamentally flawed white nationalism is. The system they built on top, has kept them undeservedly so on top. And that is what "legacy" and "culture" means to them.
 
2021-06-05 8:47:34 PM  
Donald Trump High School!
 
2021-06-05 8:56:56 PM  

Snapper Carr: and if you change the name, I can promise you in 10 years this will not be a good school."


LOL

Rosa Parks Elementary in my city is only 4% black.  Mary Todd Elementary (Abraham Lincoln's wife, slaveholding family) is only 20% white.

Name doesn't do shiat about the neighborhood.
 
2021-06-05 9:00:21 PM  
This happened with one of the two high schools in my home town, with extremely disappointing results. Cue wimble, mumble, shuffle, 'legacy,' and the closed-doors committee on diversity opted not to change the name.

It had the unexpected side effect of producing the following comments from a woman I'd known for over twenty years: "If the Blacks don't want to be looked down upon, then raise yourselves up," she said. "Quit being the ones on television shooting policemen."

I'm glad I don't live there anymore.
 
2021-06-05 9:12:42 PM  
In 2020, Fairfax County, Va., renamed its Lee High School for late Congressman John Lewis.

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2021-06-05 9:18:51 PM  
"We were proud to say we went to Robert E. Lee. Everybody was.

I'm not proud to say what high school I went to. It's not that I am ashamed of it; I just don't care.

Well, maybe a bit, okay? The nickname was The Pill Box. We did earn that one.
 
2021-06-05 9:23:11 PM  

Telephone Sanitizer Second Class: KarmicDisaster: Aw, I thought that this was going to be about you know who.

No, that's a middle school.

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Everyone who's ever attended Beck Junior High is a loser, baby.
 
2021-06-05 9:26:29 PM  

Snapper Carr: Telephone Sanitizer Second Class: KarmicDisaster: Aw, I thought that this was going to be about you know who.

No, that's a middle school.

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More schools should be named after him

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On a side note, I highly recommend his Live at Ronnie Scott's DVD/Blu Ray.  It's fantastic


His recent albums show an amazing complex but accessible approach to rock guitar.  As far as I'm concerned he's at the top of his game in his old age.  Check out Loud Hailer, an album from 2016.
 
2021-06-05 9:42:38 PM  

We Ate the Necco Wafers: It's so sad these people are so wrapped up in their identity as graduates of this high school, even 20-30 years later. It's not "Robert Lawrence, city councilman and local bakery owner" it's "Robert Lawrence, that guy who wore the school mascot costume that one year."

It reveals a kind of hopelessness and desperation to cling to the last remnants of dreams that are long gone. Bruce Springsteen's Glory Days, John Mellencamp's Jack and Diane, and Tracy Chapman's Fast Car tell this story so well.


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2021-06-05 9:44:48 PM  

Harry Freakstorm: So you went to Robert E Lee in 1980.  Your grandkid D's will be delighted to attend Standard Education Center, Grades 9 through 12 #8675309.

Crap that number has stalker history.  Is 8675310 available?


Found Hari Seldon's Fark handle.
 
2021-06-05 10:07:59 PM  

saturn badger: "We were proud to say we went to Robert E. Lee. Everybody was.

I'm not proud to say what high school I went to. It's not that I am ashamed of it; I just don't care.

Well, maybe a bit, okay? The nickname was The Pill Box. We did earn that one.


I'm proud of the high school I came from. It was a good school in a state known for the quality of education. But the name is completely irrelevant; it's the teachers that made it good. The school was just named after the town.
 
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