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2021-06-05 3:51:53 PM  
Rise of Skywalker was hilariously bad. Now the Destroyers are each Death-Star capable? They brought back the Emperor without any foreshadowing from the previous movies? It's beyond cartoonish now.

The kiss between Ren and Rey was ick since I thought of their bond being more sibling-like than romantic throughout the three movies. Then again, I guess that didn't stop Leia from smooching Luke to make Han jealous.
 
2021-06-05 4:21:34 PM  
Fandom tab post: Well, that's just like your opinion, man.

Politics tab post: This is why we need term limits for the federal bench.  This man is obviously insane.

/Yes the movies sucked.
 
2021-06-05 4:37:32 PM  
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He is a mass murderer who captured and tortured her on a prior occasion. How did this happen?
 
2021-06-05 4:50:33 PM  
Why doesn't this have the 'Hero' tag
 
2021-06-05 5:11:45 PM  
AMUSING tag seems apropos
 
2021-06-05 5:29:32 PM  
I blame all the hatred of The Last Jedi for Rise of Skywalker. Don't listen and change based on raging idiot fanatics on the internet. Good life lesson all around there.
 
2021-06-05 5:31:15 PM  
Read the rest of the opinion. Judge Lee was trying to drop some pop culture on the court, like his buddy Judge Owens. It's not just about Star Wars, either. Here's a more complete story.
 
2021-06-05 5:35:53 PM  
Not wrong at all. The more they make, the lower the batting average gets. I remember when Star Wars was a name brand that meant exceptional quality. Now there are three great, classic movies...and eight ones that are various levels of bad.
 
2021-06-05 5:42:27 PM  
Last Jedi at least tried to move the franchise and the story in a new direction. Rise of Skywalker on the other hand is garbage, a capitulation to unhinged, unhygienic haters.
 
2021-06-05 5:43:26 PM  

Wobambo: I blame all the hatred of The Last Jedi for Rise of Skywalker. Don't listen and change based on raging idiot fanatics on the internet. Good life lesson all around there.


This!
 
2021-06-05 5:48:40 PM  
It sounds like this judge has nothing to do all day but farking post.

If you're willing to put this nonsense in a completely unrelated opinion, you're getting paid too farking much
 
2021-06-05 5:51:38 PM  
Your honor, citing the Sickboy Theory....
Trainspotting (4/12) Movie CLIP - Sick Boy's Theory of Life (1996) HD
Youtube VnAR2qB24yQ
 
2021-06-05 5:55:12 PM  

moothemagiccow: It sounds like this judge has nothing to do all day but farking post.

If you're willing to put this nonsense in a completely unrelated opinion, you're getting paid too farking much


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2021-06-05 6:09:20 PM  

Bslim: Last Jedi at least tried to move the franchise and the story in a new direction. Rise of Skywalker on the other hand is garbage, a capitulation to unhinged, unhygienic haters.


They didn't need to move the franchise in a new direction with the ST. Younger Boomers and GenXers wanted to see the Big Three one last time the way they imagined, and Millennials who grew up on the Prequels wanted the same and to feel like a kids again (some Boomers and Xers wanted that, too.) Almost all of the fans were looking forward to this trilogy like it was comfort food, and RJ served up a shiat sandwich which Abrams tried to wash down with lemon flavored bile. After this series is when they should've tried experimenting with the formula not before.
 
2021-06-05 6:13:56 PM  

Wobambo: I blame all the hatred of The Last Jedi for Rise of Skywalker. Don't listen and change based on raging idiot fanatics on the internet. Good life lesson all around there.


The entire Sequel Trilogy was doomed to fail because the powers that be were more worried about placating the people who were still butthurt about the Prequel Trilogy.

https://www.cracked.com/article_27664​_​video-why-new-star-wars-trilogy-was-do​omed-from-start.html
 
2021-06-05 6:32:18 PM  
Maybe if I spent more time thinking about it I could compile some kind of checklist or something. But when something gets out of the hands of the original creator(s), it's difficult to retain the right "feel" of an IP. It can be done. But to me, it seems like even if a lot of the right elements are there, it often seems to be missing something you can't quite put your finger on. Just little tendencies and nuance that someone else wouldn't even think to replicate.

The sequel trilogy was a prime example of this to me. I have numerous problems with those movies. But just on an aesthetic level, most of the right parts were there, but it still felt like expensive fan fiction to me.

Conversely, I was really surprised by the Mandalorian. That was the first thing to capture the "spirit" of Star Wars in a long time.

And I'm venturing into TL;DR territory, but I'm longtime disgruntled Star Wars fan. I grew with the original trilogy. But I haven't been a huge fan of anything Star Wars since the original run of RotJ. It's mostly been a continuous cycle of me going, "Oh God, why are you doing this?" The special editions, the awful writing in the prequels, a mountain of EU trash. The only Star Wars things between the original version of Return of the Jedi and the Mandolorian that I liked were the Heir to the Empire, Timothy Zahn books, Shadows of the Empire on N64, and Knights of the Old Republic on the original XBox. Otherwise I've been thinking, "This is all terrible. The entire concept is collapsing under it's own weight."
 
2021-06-05 6:42:20 PM  

PlanckSnail: I liked were the Heir to the Empire, Timothy Zahn books,


Worms that eat the Force and clones with unpronounceable double vowels? Really?

The sequel trilogy didn't work because they had dueling writer/directors.
 
2021-06-05 6:52:51 PM  

PlanckSnail: Maybe if I spent more time thinking about it I could compile some kind of checklist or something. But when something gets out of the hands of the original creator(s), it's difficult to retain the right "feel" of an IP. It can be done. But to me, it seems like even if a lot of the right elements are there, it often seems to be missing something you can't quite put your finger on. Just little tendencies and nuance that someone else wouldn't even think to replicate.

The sequel trilogy was a prime example of this to me. I have numerous problems with those movies. But just on an aesthetic level, most of the right parts were there, but it still felt like expensive fan fiction to me.

Conversely, I was really surprised by the Mandalorian. That was the first thing to capture the "spirit" of Star Wars in a long time.

And I'm venturing into TL;DR territory, but I'm longtime disgruntled Star Wars fan. I grew with the original trilogy. But I haven't been a huge fan of anything Star Wars since the original run of RotJ. It's mostly been a continuous cycle of me going, "Oh God, why are you doing this?" The special editions, the awful writing in the prequels, a mountain of EU trash. The only Star Wars things between the original version of Return of the Jedi and the Mandolorian that I liked were the Heir to the Empire, Timothy Zahn books, Shadows of the Empire on N64, and Knights of the Old Republic on the original XBox. Otherwise I've been thinking, "This is all terrible. The entire concept is collapsing under it's own weight."


The clone wars are really good.
 
2021-06-05 6:54:13 PM  
The only thing older fans of the series wanted to see was the big three together on screen one last time. We knew they weren't gonna be doing this again and we just wanted that one last moment of Han, Luke, and Leia.

Which we never got because they killed of Han in the first, Luke in the second, and Carrie Fisher died before the third. It was all wholly unnecessary. All three of them didn't need to be major components of the story. Show Leia as the leader of the New Republic, busy doing diplomatic stuff, temporarily interacting with the new characters and helping them along before going on her way. Have Han be retired, kicking back and chillaxin' on a beach somewhere, maybe helping them along with some underworld connections he still has.

Only Luke really needed to be featured in any major capacity. We all wanted to see how badass he became now the he was a full-fledged Jedi master. You know, like in the Mandalorian. Not the whole grouchy misanthrope that we got. There are ways to keep him from taking over the story or becoming the main focus over Rey and the other characters beyond that.

What it felt like was the writers/director didn't really understand what the audience wanted. Instead they killed off all the old characters in order to promote their new ones without first creating any sort of coherent narrative to link all three movies together. Disney bought the Star Wars brand and said "Okay, start cranking out the movies!". And when they were asked "Well what should the story be?" they just said "Who cares? We'll figure it out later! WE'VE GOT A LAND TO BUILD AND MERCHANDISE TO SELL!"
 
2021-06-05 7:01:41 PM  

Mugato: PlanckSnail: I liked were the Heir to the Empire, Timothy Zahn books,

Worms that eat the Force and clones with unpronounceable double vowels? Really?

The sequel trilogy didn't work because they had dueling writer/directors.


Yes, really. One reason, at that point in time, I thought there'd never be any more Star Wars movies. Heir to the Empire came out in 1991. I was 13 at the time, and I figured Star Wars was more or less done with. So those books felt more like a "one last thing" kind of deal.

My only real problem with it was Thrawn always figuring stuff out so weirdly. "See the way [insert alien race] hooks their brush strokes? That means they're going to [insert planet]." And I was always like, "Wait, what! That's dumb."

And I'm not going to list my grievances with the sequel trilogy. I'd be here all day. But the disjointed appraoch they took in creating it, with dueling directors, certainly took a toll.
 
2021-06-05 7:04:07 PM  

frankb00th: PlanckSnail: Maybe if I spent more time thinking about it I could compile some kind of checklist or something. But when something gets out of the hands of the original creator(s), it's difficult to retain the right "feel" of an IP. It can be done. But to me, it seems like even if a lot of the right elements are there, it often seems to be missing something you can't quite put your finger on. Just little tendencies and nuance that someone else wouldn't even think to replicate.

The sequel trilogy was a prime example of this to me. I have numerous problems with those movies. But just on an aesthetic level, most of the right parts were there, but it still felt like expensive fan fiction to me.

Conversely, I was really surprised by the Mandalorian. That was the first thing to capture the "spirit" of Star Wars in a long time.

And I'm venturing into TL;DR territory, but I'm longtime disgruntled Star Wars fan. I grew with the original trilogy. But I haven't been a huge fan of anything Star Wars since the original run of RotJ. It's mostly been a continuous cycle of me going, "Oh God, why are you doing this?" The special editions, the awful writing in the prequels, a mountain of EU trash. The only Star Wars things between the original version of Return of the Jedi and the Mandolorian that I liked were the Heir to the Empire, Timothy Zahn books, Shadows of the Empire on N64, and Knights of the Old Republic on the original XBox. Otherwise I've been thinking, "This is all terrible. The entire concept is collapsing under it's own weight."

The clone wars are really good.


I always here that, but it's just not for me. I've seen bits and pieces of it and it just doesn't do it for me.
 
2021-06-05 7:09:16 PM  

kryptoknightmare: I remember when Star Wars was a name brand that meant exceptional quality.


it never meant exceptional quality. Maybe ESB and Tie Fighter.
 
2021-06-05 7:17:31 PM  
At this point does anyone really think Lucas' ideas for the final trilogy would have been any worse than what Disney came up with?
 
2021-06-05 7:20:14 PM  
Every additional Star Wars thread and movie makes me more and more glad I forsook the series forever after witnessing the Phantom Menace.
 
2021-06-05 7:21:42 PM  

Wadded Beef: Now the Destroyers are each Death-Star capable?


They are, but they don't know how to fly up. Apparently moving up is just too much to ask. Look, you can either be Death-Star capable or fly up, you can't do both.

Wobambo: I blame all the hatred of The Last Jedi for Rise of Skywalker. Don't listen and change based on raging idiot fanatics on the internet. Good life lesson all around there.


I blame not having a plan and someone who knows that a firm hand on the tiller is how you make a franchise work. If you're going to let a director do whatever, at least give them a one-shot, not the middle movie of a trilogy. If Johnson had been given a standalone movie, it probably would be even more highly regarded than Rogue One.

Stargazer86: The only thing older fans of the series wanted to see was the big three together on screen one last time. We knew they weren't gonna be doing this again and we just wanted that one last moment of Han, Luke, and Leia.


Yes! This! For a trilogy that's all about fan service, they missed the most obvious one of all. That promotional shot of the entire cast together for the table read is the closest we'll get, unfortunately.

Bslim: Last Jedi at least tried to move the franchise and the story in a new direction.


And that could have been good had everyone been on the same page before they started writing Episode VII. There were many ways to move the franchise forward, and like I said above, they needed someone in charge who kept everyone going in the same direction, had oversight, and knew what needed to be set up for Episode IX. This is why Endgame holds up and Ep IX is a disappointing meh.
 
2021-06-05 7:22:13 PM  

EvilElecBlanket: Bslim: Last Jedi at least tried to move the franchise and the story in a new direction. Rise of Skywalker on the other hand is garbage, a capitulation to unhinged, unhygienic haters.

They didn't need to move the franchise in a new direction with the ST.


Yes they did.

Younger Boomers and GenXers wanted to see the Big Three one last time the way they imagined,

Right, then Lucas waited until everyone was old as dirty.

and Millennials who grew up on the Prequels wanted the same and to feel like a kids again (some Boomers and Xers wanted that, too.) Almost all of the fans were looking forward to this trilogy like it was comfort food,

And so we got the A New Hope reboot The Force Awakens

and RJ served up a shiat sandwich which Abrams tried to wash down with lemon flavored bile. After this series is when they should've tried experimenting with the formula not before.


What formula? None of the original movies followed a formula, it is a big part of why they are so good. And the prequels were just a mess
 
2021-06-05 7:30:45 PM  

ReaverZ: EvilElecBlanket: Bslim: Last Jedi at least tried to move the franchise and the story in a new direction. Rise of Skywalker on the other hand is garbage, a capitulation to unhinged, unhygienic haters.

They didn't need to move the franchise in a new direction with the ST.

Yes they did.

Younger Boomers and GenXers wanted to see the Big Three one last time the way they imagined,

Right, then Lucas waited until everyone was old as dirty.

and Millennials who grew up on the Prequels wanted the same and to feel like a kids again (some Boomers and Xers wanted that, too.) Almost all of the fans were looking forward to this trilogy like it was comfort food,

And so we got the A New Hope reboot The Force Awakens

and RJ served up a shiat sandwich which Abrams tried to wash down with lemon flavored bile. After this series is when they should've tried experimenting with the formula not before.

What formula? None of the original movies followed a formula, it is a big part of why they are so good. And the prequels were just a mess


i can't tell which one of you idiots thinks millennials grew up on the prequels
 
2021-06-05 7:31:42 PM  

The Silver Mullet: moothemagiccow: It sounds like this judge has nothing to do all day but farking post.

If you're willing to put this nonsense in a completely unrelated opinion, you're getting paid too farking much

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i haven't seen whatever movie this is
you're old
 
2021-06-05 7:49:33 PM  

moothemagiccow: ReaverZ: EvilElecBlanket: Bslim: Last Jedi at least tried to move the franchise and the story in a new direction. Rise of Skywalker on the other hand is garbage, a capitulation to unhinged, unhygienic haters.

They didn't need to move the franchise in a new direction with the ST.

Yes they did.

Younger Boomers and GenXers wanted to see the Big Three one last time the way they imagined,

Right, then Lucas waited until everyone was old as dirty.

and Millennials who grew up on the Prequels wanted the same and to feel like a kids again (some Boomers and Xers wanted that, too.) Almost all of the fans were looking forward to this trilogy like it was comfort food,

And so we got the A New Hope reboot The Force Awakens

and RJ served up a shiat sandwich which Abrams tried to wash down with lemon flavored bile. After this series is when they should've tried experimenting with the formula not before.

What formula? None of the original movies followed a formula, it is a big part of why they are so good. And the prequels were just a mess

i can't tell which one of you idiots thinks millennials grew up on the prequels


Millennials were born between 1982 to 1994, so the PT was something that they, especially younger Millennials, grew up with.
 
2021-06-05 8:08:43 PM  

PlanckSnail: frankb00th: PlanckSnail: Maybe if I spent more time thinking about it I could compile some kind of checklist or something. But when something gets out of the hands of the original creator(s), it's difficult to retain the right "feel" of an IP. It can be done. But to me, it seems like even if a lot of the right elements are there, it often seems to be missing something you can't quite put your finger on. Just little tendencies and nuance that someone else wouldn't even think to replicate.

The sequel trilogy was a prime example of this to me. I have numerous problems with those movies. But just on an aesthetic level, most of the right parts were there, but it still felt like expensive fan fiction to me.

Conversely, I was really surprised by the Mandalorian. That was the first thing to capture the "spirit" of Star Wars in a long time.

And I'm venturing into TL;DR territory, but I'm longtime disgruntled Star Wars fan. I grew with the original trilogy. But I haven't been a huge fan of anything Star Wars since the original run of RotJ. It's mostly been a continuous cycle of me going, "Oh God, why are you doing this?" The special editions, the awful writing in the prequels, a mountain of EU trash. The only Star Wars things between the original version of Return of the Jedi and the Mandolorian that I liked were the Heir to the Empire, Timothy Zahn books, Shadows of the Empire on N64, and Knights of the Old Republic on the original XBox. Otherwise I've been thinking, "This is all terrible. The entire concept is collapsing under it's own weight."

The clone wars are really good.

I always here that, but it's just not for me. I've seen bits and pieces of it and it just doesn't do it for me.


Its all good. The first seasons are a bit of a slog but it definitely gets much better
 
2021-06-05 8:11:22 PM  
Clerks The Animated Series: George Lucas - Star Wars: The Phantom Menace
Youtube NE2Gi455xHw
 
2021-06-05 8:36:31 PM  

soporific: Wadded Beef: Now the Destroyers are each Death-Star capable?

They are, but they don't know how to fly up. Apparently moving up is just too much to ask. Look, you can either be Death-Star capable or fly up, you can't do both.


Why do they have to fly up in the first place?  You build a fleet of Death Star Destroyers, on a planet that's so secret it's considered a myth, and you keep them buried underground like farking pirate treasure?  Who are you hiding them from?
 
2021-06-05 8:39:34 PM  

EvilElecBlanket: Millennials who grew up on the Prequels


Now I feel sorry for Millennials.
 
2021-06-05 9:02:16 PM  
And the Judge is absolutely correct.
 
2021-06-05 9:17:04 PM  

ReaverZ: EvilElecBlanket: Bslim: Last Jedi at least tried to move the franchise and the story in a new direction. Rise of Skywalker on the other hand is garbage, a capitulation to unhinged, unhygienic haters.

They didn't need to move the franchise in a new direction with the ST.

Yes they did.

Younger Boomers and GenXers wanted to see the Big Three one last time the way they imagined,

Right, then Lucas waited until everyone was old as dirty.

and Millennials who grew up on the Prequels wanted the same and to feel like a kids again (some Boomers and Xers wanted that, too.) Almost all of the fans were looking forward to this trilogy like it was comfort food,

And so we got the A New Hope reboot The Force Awakens

and RJ served up a shiat sandwich which Abrams tried to wash down with lemon flavored bile. After this series is when they should've tried experimenting with the formula not before.

What formula? None of the original movies followed a formula, it is a big part of why they are so good. And the prequels were just a mess


They all follow the classic tale format.  Read the Power of Myth by Joseph Campbell or watch the PBS or Netflix series.  George Lucas was a huge fan of Campbell and called him constantly while writing/filming and editing the first movie.
 
2021-06-05 9:43:00 PM  

ReaverZ: EvilElecBlanket: Bslim: Last Jedi at least tried to move the franchise and the story in a new direction. Rise of Skywalker on the other hand is garbage, a capitulation to unhinged, unhygienic haters.

They didn't need to move the franchise in a new direction with the ST.

Yes they did.

Younger Boomers and GenXers wanted to see the Big Three one last time the way they imagined,

Right, then Lucas waited until everyone was old as dirty.

and Millennials who grew up on the Prequels wanted the same and to feel like a kids again (some Boomers and Xers wanted that, too.) Almost all of the fans were looking forward to this trilogy like it was comfort food,

And so we got the A New Hope reboot The Force Awakens

and RJ served up a shiat sandwich which Abrams tried to wash down with lemon flavored bile. After this series is when they should've tried experimenting with the formula not before.

What formula? None of the original movies followed a formula, it is a big part of why they are so good. And the prequels were just a mess


Well two parts of the formula were:

Have the best special effects the audience has ever seen.  Either they didn't have the imagination of the original or everybody was more or less capable of creating any special effect you could imagine.  I think it was the later and Lucas didn't know how to deal with it.  Also it didn't help that WETA didn't have similar problems and used CGI as a last resort if they couldn't build a (huge) model.
Rip off the old serials This got him in trouble as by now everybody knew that Jar Jar was straight out of a minstrel show.  You could get away with the in the 1940s, not the 2000s.
 
2021-06-05 9:50:23 PM  

Darth Funjamin: [YouTube video: Clerks The Animated Series: George Lucas - Star Wars: The Phantom Menace]


This clip is funnier when you realize it's making fun of the Randals of the world, and not George or the prequels.
 
2021-06-05 9:53:38 PM  

yet_another_wumpus: Also it didn't help that WETA didn't have similar problems and used CGI as a last resort if they couldn't build a (huge) model.


That's pretty funny. Do you know how many of the VFX in TFM were practical? Well you don't.

Weta? CGI? Are you kidding? The guy in the suit looked better in the 1976 King Kong than then Weta CGI version.
 
2021-06-05 9:58:20 PM  
Franchises are a mistake.

Tell your story then move on. Leave the fan-fiction to the fans. When you start producing fan-fiction as the canon of the franchise you've already lost the point or what created the franchise in the first place. Franchises are the antithesis of art. The best you can hope for is someone creates an original, thought provoking story and then finds a way to shoehorn it into all the fan-theory.

Take Star Trek: Discovery for example. It had the bones to be a good sci-fi theory with something to say. But anything new and original about that series had to be shoe-horned into the established Star Trek canon. You can't just have a story about a civ that needs to send its knowledge into the future to avoid it falling into the hands of a rogue AI. No. Now you need to have a character nobody ever heard of related to a character everybody has heard of so that there's no doubt in the audience minds this is STAR TREK because character is the sister of character you know.

Hollywood is bankrupt of ideas because they won't take a chance on anything that hasn't already been proven to generate money. Money is the death of art. Money degrades art into marketing.

That's why I'm pretty much done with franchises. They're a format that is intellectually dead and I have no interest in watching dead ideas.
 
2021-06-05 10:09:51 PM  

Bslim: Last Jedi at least tried to move the franchise and the story in a new direction. Rise of Skywalker on the other hand is garbage, a capitulation to unhinged, unhygienic haters.


Yup. The diggest problem with the sequels is that there was no coherent plan going forward. No singular vision. That's why the Original Trilogy and the MCU are such successes.

Last Jedi tried to do something interesting, and actually succeeded in turning Star Wars from a standard 'Hero's Journey' narrative, into a more specific retelling of the Arthurian Cycle with starships and laser swords. Luke is Arthur, Kylo Ren/Ben is Mordred, Rey is Galahad, Obi-wan is Merlin and Anakin is Uther.

Then you had Episode 9: The Rise of The Incels
 
2021-06-05 10:11:07 PM  
The thing is, if you read what he said, if George Lucas promised "no more mediocre movies," that would refer more to the prequels than the sequels -- Lucas can't make another Attack of the Clones or Revenge of the Sith if he no longer has control of the series, just as ConAgra no longer has control over Wesson Oil.

But sure, haters, latch on to this random bit of nothing as if it means something.  Keep watching those Doomcock videos where he promises that Kathleen Kennedy will be fired any day now, and George Lucas will return most gloriously to make his "Kira and Whills" trilogy that will retcon Rey Skywalker out of existence, as a geriatric Hamill, Ford, and Williams go on a brand new awesome pew-pew space adventure alongside a CGI Carrie Fisher against Grand Admiral Thrawn.

Y'all funny.

^__^
 
2021-06-05 10:21:14 PM  

RoyFokker'sGhost: Then you had Episode 9: The Rise of The Incels


The thing is, the Incels don't even like Rise of Skywalker.  They saw a girl do a cool flip with a kill a ship with a lightsaber, and their nads retracted even further back into their fatpads.  They openly brag about never watching it as a point of pride (although most of them undoubtedly have.)

It's weird.  This began in 2017 with "I hate Rian Johnson and The Last Jedi" and it's turned into "I hate all Star Wars, I hate The Mandalorian, I hate Disney, I hate Marvel, I hate Zack Snyder, I left the room when my sister was watching Raya & the Last Dragon because I hate Kelly Marie Tran!"

I dunno, what I see happening is an extension of GamerGate.

The targets change, but the constant is that there are a lot of unhappy white guys out there who use internet hate & memes as a psychological salve, because they all thought they'd grow up to run video game companies or direct movies themselves, but are stuck driving for UberEats and renting their parents' basement.  Anything that smacks of success, anything made by a woman, people younger than them, anything made by "lucky" people who broke into the creative industries instead of them... hating everything "mainstream" and "corporate" is their modus operandi.  Solidarity among the memers and shiatlords.

I have a former client who started out as a young, hopeful guy who wanted to make comic books and maybe become a voice actor in Santa Barbara.  Now he's cleaning floors with his uncle in Texas.  He worships Trump like a god, and hates Disney Star Wars with an almost psychotic passion.  Every day he posts memes about Lucas taking back control of Star Wars, and Trump being reinstated into the White House after the audits.

The psychology here is not hard to understand.
 
2021-06-05 11:53:03 PM  

RoyFokker'sGhost: Bslim: Last Jedi at least tried to move the franchise and the story in a new direction. Rise of Skywalker on the other hand is garbage, a capitulation to unhinged, unhygienic haters.

Yup. The diggest problem with the sequels is that there was no coherent plan going forward. No singular vision. That's why the Original Trilogy and the MCU are such successes.

Last Jedi tried to do something interesting, and actually succeeded in turning Star Wars from a standard 'Hero's Journey' narrative, into a more specific retelling of the Arthurian Cycle with starships and laser swords. Luke is Arthur, Kylo Ren/Ben is Mordred, Rey is Galahad, Obi-wan is Merlin and Anakin is Uther.

Then you had Episode 9: The Rise of The Incels


Not even incels liked it...
 
2021-06-06 12:02:21 AM  

FkYouFkYouFkYou-WhosNext: ReaverZ: EvilElecBlanket: Bslim: Last Jedi at least tried to move the franchise and the story in a new direction. Rise of Skywalker on the other hand is garbage, a capitulation to unhinged, unhygienic haters.

They didn't need to move the franchise in a new direction with the ST.

Yes they did.

Younger Boomers and GenXers wanted to see the Big Three one last time the way they imagined,

Right, then Lucas waited until everyone was old as dirty.

and Millennials who grew up on the Prequels wanted the same and to feel like a kids again (some Boomers and Xers wanted that, too.) Almost all of the fans were looking forward to this trilogy like it was comfort food,

And so we got the A New Hope reboot The Force Awakens

and RJ served up a shiat sandwich which Abrams tried to wash down with lemon flavored bile. After this series is when they should've tried experimenting with the formula not before.

What formula? None of the original movies followed a formula, it is a big part of why they are so good. And the prequels were just a mess

They all follow the classic tale format.  Read the Power of Myth by Joseph Campbell or watch the PBS or Netflix series.  George Lucas was a huge fan of Campbell and called him constantly while writing/filming and editing the first movie.


I feel like that is a bit of a retcon. It seems like he was mainly doing a sci-fi version of The Hidden Fortress and then kept cutting down the story until he got to something filmable. The Phantom Menace is basically a revised version of the first drafts of Star Wars.
 
2021-06-06 12:04:12 AM  

kryptoknightmare: I remember when Star Wars was a name brand that meant exceptional quality.


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2021-06-06 12:33:02 AM  
It's all been said, but Rise of Skywalker is bad,  and should have never happened. Now, JJ decides a plan would be helpful? That's great! I'll tell John Harrison about it.
 
2021-06-06 12:38:17 AM  

Socrofece: RoyFokker'sGhost: Then you had Episode 9: The Rise of The Incels

The thing is, the Incels don't even like Rise of Skywalker.  They saw a girl do a cool flip with a kill a ship with a lightsaber, and their nads retracted even further back into their fatpads.  They openly brag about never watching it as a point of pride (although most of them undoubtedly have.)

It's weird.  This began in 2017 with "I hate Rian Johnson and The Last Jedi" and it's turned into "I hate all Star Wars, I hate The Mandalorian, I hate Disney, I hate Marvel, I hate Zack Snyder, I left the room when my sister was watching Raya & the Last Dragon because I hate Kelly Marie Tran!"

I dunno, what I see happening is an extension of GamerGate.

The targets change, but the constant is that there are a lot of unhappy white guys out there who use internet hate & memes as a psychological salve, because they all thought they'd grow up to run video game companies or direct movies themselves, but are stuck driving for UberEats and renting their parents' basement.  Anything that smacks of success, anything made by a woman, people younger than them, anything made by "lucky" people who broke into the creative industries instead of them... hating everything "mainstream" and "corporate" is their modus operandi.  Solidarity among the memers and shiatlords.

I have a former client who started out as a young, hopeful guy who wanted to make comic books and maybe become a voice actor in Santa Barbara.  Now he's cleaning floors with his uncle in Texas.  He worships Trump like a god, and hates Disney Star Wars with an almost psychotic passion.  Every day he posts memes about Lucas taking back control of Star Wars, and Trump being reinstated into the White House after the audits.

The psychology here is not hard to understand.


It really boils down to the 'He-Man Wimmen Hater's Club' that is comics/gaming/sci-fi fandom being forced to allow in women and 'those people', besides a few token 'Buckwheats'. I mean...There's a hue and cry on the internet over the casting choices for the Sandman series; like the *audacity* of forcing the Librul PC Ungodliness of casting a *gasps!* transsexshuil as Desire. DO YOU NOT FEEL OUTRAGED BY THIS? Neil is keeping his pimp hand strong by smacking these internet biatches around when they start spouting their mental diarrhea on social media.
 
2021-06-06 2:25:41 AM  

RoyFokker'sGhost: Bslim: Last Jedi at least tried to move the franchise and the story in a new direction. Rise of Skywalker on the other hand is garbage, a capitulation to unhinged, unhygienic haters.

Yup. The diggest problem with the sequels is that there was no coherent plan going forward. No singular vision. That's why the Original Trilogy and the MCU are such successes.

Last Jedi tried to do something interesting, and actually succeeded in turning Star Wars from a standard 'Hero's Journey' narrative, into a more specific retelling of the Arthurian Cycle with starships and laser swords. Luke is Arthur, Kylo Ren/Ben is Mordred, Rey is Galahad, Obi-wan is Merlin and Anakin is Uther.

Then you had Episode 9: The Rise of The Incels


Episode 8 could have been decent if it at least fit into the existing universe and didn't do stupid shiat like hyperspace ramming, not showing Luke grieve for Han, or give the liked character of Ackbar a "blink and you miss it" dead. Yes, even if he was famous only for that one line, he shouldn't have had a corner of a shot death.

The mutiny bit also makes no sense.nif Poe was a spy, he wouldn't have helped up Starkiller Base. That was a way to important asset for the First Order to give up to keep a spy in place. If they still wanted to have that plot point, move Poe to the other side of the conflict. Have him be part of Management who had to keep it a secret from everyone else. Seeing how they tried to position him as the free going everyman's friend it should build some character conflict as well. Maybe provide us a reason as to why they think there is a mole on the ship. And actually move on that info, because what we got now is that the highly regarded (both Leia and Holdo said they liked him) and high ranked member of the organisation gets stonewalled and suspected of being a spy, but former First Order stormtrooper Finn can just take a shuttle and fly of and come back without anyone batting an eye at it.
 
2021-06-06 3:46:52 AM  
I don't have the time to rehash everything for a tenth time, but I just want to say that if you watch the Sequels again, they are perfectly coherent and nothing conflicts with anything else.

Give it a few years, and you'll be seeing plenty of "Why the Star Wars Sequels Were Actually Brilliant" on your Facebooks and Buzzfeeds.
 
2021-06-06 6:18:34 AM  

Olympic Trolling Judge: soporific: Wadded Beef: Now the Destroyers are each Death-Star capable?

They are, but they don't know how to fly up. Apparently moving up is just too much to ask. Look, you can either be Death-Star capable or fly up, you can't do both.

Why do they have to fly up in the first place?  You build a fleet of Death Star Destroyers, on a planet that's so secret it's considered a myth, and you keep them buried underground like farking pirate treasure?  Who are you hiding them from?


common sense
 
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