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2021-06-04 10:33:21 PM  
Let's hope the US points this out the next time China decides to criticize us.
 
2021-06-04 10:35:50 PM  
I remember hearing a news bit a few years ago that some journo located the guy who stood in front of the tank - all those years later - he was alive, and he never knew that he was seen on TV around the world.
 
2021-06-04 10:36:36 PM  
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2021-06-04 10:38:28 PM  
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2021-06-04 10:42:06 PM  

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The strange part of that photo is that it happened the day after, and he's blocking them to leave.
 
2021-06-04 10:46:12 PM  
Continue breathing to commemorate Tiananmen square.
 
2021-06-04 10:47:03 PM  

Kumana Wanalaia: I remember hearing a news bit a few years ago that some journo located the guy who stood in front of the tank - all those years later - he was alive, and he never knew that he was seen on TV around the world.


Huh. I thought he was disappeared and we didn't know his identity. Neat, I'mma have to look that up later.
 
2021-06-04 10:52:08 PM  
Someone find a pic of Tank Girl, make her Asian, spread that around and see what happens.

fark Whiney the 💩.
 
2021-06-04 11:02:58 PM  
Why don't they just call the Democratic People's Republic of China, or some crap, hold some bs fake election every 10 years or whatever and keep doing what they're doing. It works everywhere else.
 
2021-06-04 11:07:15 PM  
Wonder what happened to Chinese tank commander there.

Think about it.

His superior: "Why didn't you just run that idiot over or use a bullet?"
 
DVD
2021-06-04 11:07:32 PM  

dailygrinds: Why don't they just call the Democratic People's Republic of China, or some crap, hold some bs fake election every 10 years or whatever and keep doing what they're doing. It works everywhere else.


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I'd bet that the CCP is afraid that enough of their 1.5 billion citizens will get the idea that the elections should be meaningful instead of just for show.
 
2021-06-04 11:13:15 PM  
They way I read this is China blinked hard. They promised another massacre if the people showed up. They executed all the people who work with the charities and organizers, as a show of force. Then the people showed up en masse, and China blinked. Wow.
 
2021-06-04 11:20:50 PM  

Practical_Draconian: Wonder what happened to Chinese tank commander there.

Think about it.

His superior: "Why didn't you just run that idiot over or use a bullet?"


Remember that time during the Vietnam war that one of our soldiers executed a Viet cong point blank in the head on camera?  Many historians point to that moment as the turning point in the war.
 
2021-06-04 11:28:29 PM  
West Taiwan really has thin-skinned leaders like Xi the Pooh.
 
2021-06-04 11:32:09 PM  
People on the opposite side of the country show solidarity for a movement that they had nothing to do with, for no other reason than to antagonise the government?

Reminds me of the Lilly white high schoolers in my suburb who wanted to have a BLM March. Sure, you do whatever you want, but don't pretend like you have any level of authenticity. You're just out there to make a scene.
 
2021-06-04 11:34:59 PM  

hotrod2001: Practical_Draconian: Wonder what happened to Chinese tank commander there.

Think about it.

His superior: "Why didn't you just run that idiot over or use a bullet?"

Remember that time during the Vietnam war that one of our soldiers executed a Viet cong point blank in the head on camera?  Many historians point to that moment as the turning point in the war.


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2021-06-04 11:43:28 PM  
There was no protest, right?  At least if you're a multinational corporation trying to do business in China you'd agree, right? Microsoft, Adobe, Ford, Sky/Fox, Viacom, Coke, Koch, etc.?
 
2021-06-04 11:45:26 PM  

austerity101: Let's hope the US points this out the next time China decides to criticize us.


Do you really think China cares about outside criticism?
 
2021-06-04 11:46:20 PM  

MattytheMouse: Kumana Wanalaia: I remember hearing a news bit a few years ago that some journo located the guy who stood in front of the tank - all those years later - he was alive, and he never knew that he was seen on TV around the world.

Huh. I thought he was disappeared and we didn't know his identity. Neat, I'mma have to look that up later.


If you find info about it, posting it here would be appreciated. I think the story I heard was on NPR but all I really remember for sure is.he was alive and had never learned he was on tv.

I remember watching the feed cut off when I was 10.
Definitely a "where were you when" moment. Definitely. Yeah, definitely.
Gotta watch Wapner.
 
2021-06-04 11:55:06 PM  
Interview

Reporter- What happened to that man?

Chinese official- I think ,not dead.
 
2021-06-04 11:59:21 PM  
As long as the rest of the world remind China every year, forever, we will never forget.
 
2021-06-05 12:09:05 AM  

DVD: dailygrinds: Why don't they just call the Democratic People's Republic of China, or some crap, hold some bs fake election every 10 years or whatever and keep doing what they're doing. It works everywhere else.

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I'd bet that the CCP is afraid that enough of their 1.5 billion citizens will get the idea that the elections should be meaningful instead of just for show.


Hong Kong confirms their biggest fears. Or it used to. After the pandemic Hong Kong seems lost. :(
 
2021-06-05 12:23:47 AM  
I guess you could say that Communist Chinese officials "pooh-pooh" the incident
 
2021-06-05 12:31:39 AM  

MattytheMouse: Kumana Wanalaia: I remember hearing a news bit a few years ago that some journo located the guy who stood in front of the tank - all those years later - he was alive, and he never knew that he was seen on TV around the world.

Huh. I thought he was disappeared and we didn't know his identity. Neat, I'mma have to look that up later.


This is a hoax. The protests directly lead to the authoritarian hardliners in the party gaining control and suppressing the internal liberalization/reformist movement in the party started by Deng Xiaoping once Mao died. His closest subordinates were the ones pushing the most liberal reforms during this time as Deng was elderly and he and his subordinates were permanently marginalized during and then after the protests.

China then ruthlessly cracked down by staging nationwide arrests and executions of anyone who was perceived to be against the regime or engaged in protests against the the government. These were published on national television, radio, and media before the CCP decided the entire event needed to be censored years later. If still alive, the person who stopped the tanks from leaving the square watched those stories or at least heard about it and spent decades looking over their shoulder. He understands better than the majority of people out protesting today what happens to anyone directly related to the 1989 protests and there is no way they would admit they were that person. Everyone who was old enough to understand what was going on, knows not to bring that subject up. The current generation is the first one that would have no direct knowledge of the protest and most importantly the crackdown that happened right after.
 
2021-06-05 12:34:17 AM  

Shaggy_C: People on the opposite side of the country show solidarity for a movement that they had nothing to do with, for no other reason than to antagonise the government?

Reminds me of the Lilly white high schoolers in my suburb who wanted to have a BLM March. Sure, you do whatever you want, but don't pretend like you have any level of authenticity. You're just out there to make a scene.


Why is it strange that people would want to show solidarity with a democratic movement if they believe in democracy? It's the same with people honking sometimes when driving by protesters or strikers.
 
2021-06-05 12:45:06 AM  

Shaggy_C: People on the opposite side of the country show solidarity for a movement that they had nothing to do with, for no other reason than to antagonise the government?

Reminds me of the Lilly white high schoolers in my suburb who wanted to have a BLM March. Sure, you do whatever you want, but don't pretend like you have any level of authenticity. You're just out there to make a scene.


Contrarian gatekeeping, so succinctly summarized. Well done.

"Something out there is objectively bad? Well, you're a poseur for disliking it!"
 
2021-06-05 12:46:04 AM  

ZMugg: hotrod2001: Practical_Draconian: Wonder what happened to Chinese tank commander there.

Think about it.

His superior: "Why didn't you just run that idiot over or use a bullet?"

Remember that time during the Vietnam war that one of our soldiers executed a Viet cong point blank in the head on camera?  Many historians point to that moment as the turning point in the war.

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CSB: The executioner used to run a restaurant a few miles from my childhood home. Never saw him shoot a customer but he made a decent pizza.
 
2021-06-05 12:56:39 AM  
Troy Aikman's Giant Thumbs:CSB: The executioner used to run a restaurant a few miles from my childhood home. Never saw him shoot a customer but he made a decent pizza.
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I still don't believe you
 
2021-06-05 1:01:23 AM  
I was watching this as it happened. From my home in California on cable TV. I was in high school at the time but were on an abbreviated schedule on account of finals or something like that. Just before the crackdown began I watched the broadcast networks and CNN get their China bureau visited by government officials coming with papers to cut their satellite feed, and the TV crews tried to negotiate, claim the paperwork wasn't in order, maybe even consider a bribe all to delay the shutdown. But eventually, one by one the networks cut their feeds.

But they didn't cut the phone lines. Not right away at least.

So they kept on talking about what was going on. They even managed to push some still photos through. It took about two minutes for each SD video still to scan through. It was 1989 and this was being done with an equivalent of Fax technology, but it was better than nothing.

Despite the best efforts of the CCP, the world saw what they were trying to cover up in almost real time.

/This is the best of my recollection. It's been over 30 years but it's still pretty vivid, though I'm sure I've fudged some details.
 
2021-06-05 1:20:39 AM  

Kumana Wanalaia: I remember hearing a news bit a few years ago that some journo located the guy who stood in front of the tank - all those years later - he was alive, and he never knew that he was seen on TV around the world.


Now, that's journalism. He's been a mystery (and a hero) for decades.
 
2021-06-05 1:29:11 AM  

berylman: Troy Aikman's Giant Thumbs:CSB: The executioner used to run a restaurant a few miles from my childhood home. Never saw him shoot a customer but he made a decent pizza.
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Les Trois Continents in Burke, VA.
 
2021-06-05 1:30:45 AM  
It was more than just the "Tank man"

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2021-06-05 1:32:20 AM  

berylman: Troy Aikman's Giant Thumbs:CSB: The executioner used to run a restaurant a few miles from my childhood home. Never saw him shoot a customer but he made a decent pizza.
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I still don't believe you


In 1975, during the fall of Saigon, Loan fled South Vietnam to the United States.[4] There he moved to Dale City, Virginia.[19] He then opened a restaurant called "Les Trois Continents" in the Washington, D.C. suburb of Burke, Virginia at Rolling Valley Mall.[20][21][22] The restaurant served hamburgers, Vietnamese cuisine, and pizza, but was described as more of a pizzeria.

From here.
 
2021-06-05 1:35:23 AM  
 
2021-06-05 1:36:03 AM  

mrparks: berylman: Troy Aikman's Giant Thumbs:CSB: The executioner used to run a restaurant a few miles from my childhood home. Never saw him shoot a customer but he made a decent pizza.
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Les Trois Continents in Burke, VA.


Lắc nắm tay nhỏ*

* Shakes tiny fist
 
2021-06-05 1:42:41 AM  
ZMugg:In 1975, during the fall of Saigon, Loan fled South Vietnam to the United States.[4] There he moved to Dale City, Virginia.[19] He then opened a restaurant called "Les Trois Continents" in the Washington, D.C. suburb of Burke, Virginia at Rolling Valley Mall.[20][21][22] The restaurant served hamburgers, Vietnamese cuisine, and pizza, but was described as more of a pizzeria.

Ok, thanks for the clarification. It is admittedly a rather crazy backstory, I believe you now. Still hesitant on getting a pizza from there though
 
2021-06-05 1:44:27 AM  

Kuta: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wu%27er​k​aixi


Uh...

"Wu'erkaixi claimed that he was present at the square when the soldiers arrived after martial law was declared and that he had personally seen around 200 student protesters cut down by gunfire in Tiananmen square. However, according to the Columbia Journalism Review, all verified eyewitness accounts had attested that the students who remained in the square when troops arrived to clear them, had all been allowed to leave the square peacefully. It was later "proven" that Wu'erkaixi himself had already left the square several hours before the massacre inside the square that he claimed allegedly occurred.[4] US embassy cables obtained and released by Wikileaks in 2011 describe how while there were killings in the larger Beijing area, there were, in fact, no killings in Tiananmen Square. [5][6]"
 
2021-06-05 2:16:05 AM  

berylman: ZMugg:In 1975, during the fall of Saigon, Loan fled South Vietnam to the United States.[4] There he moved to Dale City, Virginia.[19] He then opened a restaurant called "Les Trois Continents" in the Washington, D.C. suburb of Burke, Virginia at Rolling Valley Mall.[20][21][22] The restaurant served hamburgers, Vietnamese cuisine, and pizza, but was described as more of a pizzeria.

Ok, thanks for the clarification. It is admittedly a rather crazy backstory, I believe you now. Still hesitant on getting a pizza from there though


The OP was Troy Aikman's Giant Thumbs. I just found the citation.
 
2021-06-05 2:18:12 AM  
Weird fact: Around this time of the year, Chinese online ESL platforms block any messages with the number 64 in them (for example, "4 cubed is 64") because of Tiananmen on 6/4.

But why does China use the US date format? Why isn't it 4/6, like normal countries?
 
2021-06-05 2:21:55 AM  

ZMugg: The OP was Troy Aikman's Giant Thumbs. I just found the citation.


It's not a big deal but recognized that shortly after posting. Apologies to all giant thumbs out there, Troy's or others
 
2021-06-05 2:33:10 AM  

KB202: Weird fact: Around this time of the year, Chinese online ESL platforms block any messages with the number 64 in them (for example, "4 cubed is 64") because of Tiananmen on 6/4.

But why does China use the US date format? Why isn't it 4/6, like normal countries?


So when people are trying to get around filters or censors they sometimes use alternative means to reference what they really want to talk about.

So instead of using a local date time group for example they might use one that a different country uses, especially if the other country hosts information about the event they want to discuss.
 
2021-06-05 3:32:35 AM  

Shaggy_C: People on the opposite side of the country show solidarity for a movement that they had nothing to do with, for no other reason than to antagonise the government?

Reminds me of the Lilly white high schoolers in my suburb who wanted to have a BLM March. Sure, you do whatever you want, but don't pretend like you have any level of authenticity. You're just out there to make a scene.


Where do you live in China?
 
2021-06-05 3:44:09 AM  

ZMugg: hotrod2001: Practical_Draconian: Wonder what happened to Chinese tank commander there.

Think about it.

His superior: "Why didn't you just run that idiot over or use a bullet?"

Remember that time during the Vietnam war that one of our soldiers executed a Viet cong point blank in the head on camera?  Many historians point to that moment as the turning point in the war.

[Fark user image 471x584]


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Executi​o​n_of_Nguy%E1%BB%85n_V%C4%83n_L%C3%A9m

The individual executed was a Viet Cong soldier out of uniform who had killed a Lt Colonel and murdered his family.  He was acting as a "spy" and therefore summary execution was seen as authorized under the laws of war however it may have been illegal under the laws of South Vietnam although that country no longer existed or had a government to prosecute.
 
2021-06-05 3:56:03 AM  
I remember The Onion's headline of that day:

Stirring Symbol Of Human Spirit Difficult To Clean Out of Tank Treads

 
2021-06-05 4:41:24 AM  

austerity101: Let's hope the US points this out the next time China decides to criticize us.


If all you ever do is live in the past you will never get excited for the future.
 
2021-06-05 6:50:16 AM  

Troy Aikman's Giant Thumbs: ZMugg: hotrod2001: Practical_Draconian: Wonder what happened to Chinese tank commander there.

Think about it.

His superior: "Why didn't you just run that idiot over or use a bullet?"

Remember that time during the Vietnam war that one of our soldiers executed a Viet cong point blank in the head on camera?  Many historians point to that moment as the turning point in the war.

[Fark user image image 471x584]

CSB: The executioner used to run a restaurant a few miles from my childhood home. Never saw him shoot a customer but he made a decent pizza.


I was wondering about that I could have sworn I saw an interview with him and he fled to the states after the war. But his bio posted above you said he died in Saigon.
 
2021-06-05 7:20:47 AM  

groppet: Troy Aikman's Giant Thumbs: ZMugg: hotrod2001: Practical_Draconian: Wonder what happened to Chinese tank commander there.

Think about it.

His superior: "Why didn't you just run that idiot over or use a bullet?"

Remember that time during the Vietnam war that one of our soldiers executed a Viet cong point blank in the head on camera?  Many historians point to that moment as the turning point in the war.

[Fark user image image 471x584]

CSB: The executioner used to run a restaurant a few miles from my childhood home. Never saw him shoot a customer but he made a decent pizza.

I was wondering about that I could have sworn I saw an interview with him and he fled to the states after the war. But his bio posted above you said he died in Saigon.


The bio posted was for the guy that was killed, not the guy doing the killing.
 
2021-06-05 7:49:24 AM  
🎶
We were watching T.V.
Watching T.V.
We were Watching T.V.
Watching T.V.
In Tiananmen Square
Lost my baby there
My yellow rose
In her bloodstained clothes
She was a short order pastry chef
In a Dim Sum dive on the Yangtze tideway
She had shiny hair
She was the daughter of an engineer
Won't you shed a tear
For my yellow rose
My yellow rose
In her bloodstained clothes
She had perfect breasts
She had high hopes
She had almond eyes
She had yellow thighs
She was a student of philosophy
Won't you grieve with me
For my yellow rose
Shed a tear
For her bloodstained clothes
She had shiny hair
She had perfect breasts
She had high hopes
She had almond eyes
She had yellow thighs
She was the daughter of an engineer
So get out your pistols
Get out your stones
Get out your knives
Cut them to the bone
They are the lackeys of the grocers machine
They built the dark satanic mills
That manufacture hell on earth
They bought the front row seats on Calvary
They are irrelevant to me
But I grieve for my sister
People of China
Do not forget do not forget
The children who died for you
Long live the Republic
Did we do anything after this
I've a feeling we did
We were watching T.V.
Watching T.V.
We were watching T.V.
Watching T.V.
She wore a white bandanna that said
Freedom now
She thought the Great Wall of China
Would come tumbling down
She was a student
Her father was an engineer
Won't you shed a tear
For my yellow rose
My yellow rose
In her bloodstained clothes
Her grandpa fought old Chiang Kai-shek
That no-good low-down dirty rat
Who used to order his troops
To fire on the women and children
Imagine that imagine that
And in the spring of '48
Mao Tse-tung got quite irate
And he kicked that old dictator Chiang
Out of the state of China
Chiang Kai-shek came down in Formosa
And they armed the island of Quemoy
And the shells were flying across the China Sea
And they turned Formosa into a shoe factory
Called Taiwan
And she is different from Cro-Magnon man
She's different from Anne Boleyn
She is different from the Rosenbergs
And from the unknown Jew
She is different from the unknown Nicaraguan
Half superstar half victim
She's a victor star conceptually new
And she is different from the Dodo
And from the Kankanbono
She is different from the Aztec
And from the Cherokee
She's everybody's sister
She's symbolic of our failure
She's the one in fifty million
Who can help us to be free
Because she died on T.V.
And I grieve for my sister🎶

Watching TV
Amused to Death
Roger Waters
 
2021-06-05 9:14:28 AM  
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