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(NPR)   Remember the Castle Fire in California last year? Turns out it killed about 10% of the world's giant Sequoias   (npr.org) divider line
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2021-06-04 2:42:51 AM  
Guess they shouldn't have put all their giant sequoias in one castle. It was bound to fall over and sink into the swamp eventually.
 
2021-06-04 5:35:32 AM  
I don't remember the castle fire, what happened?
 
2021-06-04 5:40:58 AM  

Cormee: I don't remember the castle fire, what happened?


You had to be there.
 
2021-06-04 5:41:58 AM  
That said, big oof. Godspeed, good trees, and may god help us all as this becomes the new normal.
 
2021-06-04 5:47:29 AM  

foxyshadis: That said, big oof. Godspeed, good trees, and may god help us all as this becomes the new normal.


God got bored of this Sims game and is just putting us all in a locked house with no bathrooms now.
 
2021-06-04 5:54:00 AM  

Cormee: I don't remember the castle fire, what happened?


Lightning happened, which in California is a pretty rare occurrence and it took place right in middle of fire season, so fire season was particularly bad and in places that fires rarely start in.
 
2021-06-04 5:54:26 AM  
Sad. But wildfires also activate the seeding process in coniferous trees.
 
2021-06-04 6:01:11 AM  

foxyshadis: That said, big oof. Godspeed, good trees, and may god help us all as this becomes the new normal.


Its the new normal because humans are farking morons who didnt understand why fires are good for a forests health. Now instead of just clearing the underbrush and overgrowth out while leaving the big trees alive everything will turn to ash because there is so much fuel
 
2021-06-04 6:15:50 AM  

lifeslammer: foxyshadis: That said, big oof. Godspeed, good trees, and may god help us all as this becomes the new normal.

Its the new normal because humans are farking morons who didnt understand why fires are good for a forests health. Now instead of just clearing the underbrush and overgrowth out while leaving the big trees alive everything will turn to ash because there is so much fuel


So you're saying we need to rake the forests now?
 
2021-06-04 6:21:41 AM  

RoyFokker'sGhost: Sad. But wildfires also activate the seeding process in coniferous trees.


And in 300 years or so, MAYBE we'll have some giant trees there.

I heard something about that local microclimate being now too warm and/or dry for sequoias to grow well.
 
2021-06-04 6:26:23 AM  

Bovine Diarrhea Virus: lifeslammer: foxyshadis: That said, big oof. Godspeed, good trees, and may god help us all as this becomes the new normal.

Its the new normal because humans are farking morons who didnt understand why fires are good for a forests health. Now instead of just clearing the underbrush and overgrowth out while leaving the big trees alive everything will turn to ash because there is so much fuel

So you're saying we need to rake the forests now?


We need one moderate clean out of the underbrush where we've stopped fires from happening for the last 5 to 15 years and then for the most part leave s*** alone.
 
2021-06-04 6:31:52 AM  
You ain't seen nothing yet, folks!

\thanks, global warming deniers
\\and that includes people who don't deny glonal warming, but still approve fossil fuel development
 
2021-06-04 6:50:03 AM  
By number or by volume?
 
2021-06-04 7:12:19 AM  

RoyFokker'sGhost: Sad. But wildfires also activate the seeding process in coniferous trees.


that was my first thought, and I'm just a dirty East Coaster.

From death comes rebirth, or something.
 
2021-06-04 7:34:07 AM  
Yeah, that's bad. But the good news is that as we begin wildfire season about 30% of the forestry firefighter positions are vacant because of sub-minimum wages and overtime caps. Sure our forests are going to burn, but just look at all the money we're saving!
 
2021-06-04 7:34:56 AM  
Sequoias decimated.
 
2021-06-04 7:37:32 AM  

ToughActinProlactin: foxyshadis: That said, big oof. Godspeed, good trees, and may god help us all as this becomes the new normal.

God got bored of this Sims game and is just putting us all in a locked house with no bathrooms now.


Stop putting out every fire and it will actually save the trees.
 
2021-06-04 7:42:16 AM  

lifeslammer: foxyshadis: That said, big oof. Godspeed, good trees, and may god help us all as this becomes the new normal.

Its the new normal because humans are farking morons who didnt understand why fires are good for a forests health. Now instead of just clearing the underbrush and overgrowth out while leaving the big trees alive everything will turn to ash because there is so much fuel


I'm 46. This has been understood my whole life. But the money has always rejected that as inconvenient. National forests are for commercial logging and national parks are for tourism by the well-to-do. Policies were set for them, not for the long term health of forests.
 
2021-06-04 7:48:23 AM  
The maples and the oaks did it.
 
2021-06-04 7:48:50 AM  
if a tree could talk
it would say that every day
was mostly the same
 
2021-06-04 7:50:37 AM  

lifeslammer: foxyshadis: That said, big oof. Godspeed, good trees, and may god help us all as this becomes the new normal.

Its the new normal because humans are farking morons who didnt understand why fires are good for a forests health. Now instead of just clearing the underbrush and overgrowth out while leaving the big trees alive everything will turn to ash because there is so much fuel


shiatty management contributed, but it isn't the entire reason. When average temps rise each decade and average rainfall drops, it doesn't take a genius to figure out fires will get worse every year. And they are!

If that fire had started fifty years ago and been left to burn itself out with no firefighting effort whatsoever, it would still not have been as devastating as it was last year.
 
2021-06-04 7:55:02 AM  
Dr.Seuss The Lorax - I Speak For The Trees
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2021-06-04 8:07:44 AM  

RoyFokker'sGhost: Sad. But wildfires also activate the seeding process in coniferous trees.


One reason I love Fark is that I learn at least one new word per day. "Coniferous."
 
2021-06-04 8:13:09 AM  

dickfreckle: RoyFokker'sGhost: Sad. But wildfires also activate the seeding process in coniferous trees.

One reason I love Fark is that I learn at least one new word per day. "Coniferous."


It's a perfectly cromulent word.
 
2021-06-04 8:34:26 AM  

lifeslammer: foxyshadis: That said, big oof. Godspeed, good trees, and may god help us all as this becomes the new normal.

Its the new normal because humans are farking morons who didnt understand why fires are good for a forests health. Now instead of just clearing the underbrush and overgrowth out while leaving the big trees alive everything will turn to ash because there is so much fuel


Tribes would do controlled burns to prevent major fires. It helps native plants, puts nutrients in the soil, and prevents megafires. You can rake all you want but it's going to take more time and energy and not be as effective.
 
2021-06-04 8:36:31 AM  
Don't sequoias use fire as part of their lifecycle?
 
2021-06-04 8:58:36 AM  

Target Builder: Don't sequoias use fire as part of their lifecycle?


No, you have that backwards. Fire uses Sequoias as part of it's lifecycle.
 
2021-06-04 9:08:03 AM  
That's not too bad. They'll recover.
 
2021-06-04 9:15:37 AM  

dickfreckle: RoyFokker'sGhost: Sad. But wildfires also activate the seeding process in coniferous trees.

One reason I love Fark is that I learn at least one new word per day. "Coniferous."


Also, Sequoia is the shortest word with all five vowels.
 
2021-06-04 9:19:57 AM  
So the new talking point for climate change denier types is that fires are good?

Ok.

So yeah.  There are circumstances where fire is indeed a part of the natural cycle.  Fire is widely used in huge parts of our forestry system for...counterintuitively, fire prevention.

Those areas are in non-arid temperate climates.   Fire is generally NOT used in arid climates because of course it's not.  Plants that have been deprived of water for extensive (unprecedented) periods of time simply can't survive.

This is why trees that are thousands of years old died in this fire when they've likely survived dozens of fires before this.

Please stop cherry picking science.
 
2021-06-04 9:21:36 AM  

Dadoody: That's not too bad. They'll recover.


No.  No they won't.  Not in the next thousand years.  Probably not ever.
 
2021-06-04 9:35:28 AM  

JamesSirBensonMum: dickfreckle: RoyFokker'sGhost: Sad. But wildfires also activate the seeding process in coniferous trees.

One reason I love Fark is that I learn at least one new word per day. "Coniferous."

Also, Sequoia is the shortest word with all five vowels.


Eunoia.

Also it depends on which vowels you count from which languages.
 
2021-06-04 9:59:30 AM  
Should have raked when they were warned. Or do rakes give cancer too?
 
2021-06-04 10:12:05 AM  
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2021-06-04 10:18:52 AM  
Well, no I'll have to take a trip there. That seems like an overly dire number as there are a lot of Sequoias in California (and elsewhere). It is true that I haven't counted them, but they're a fav and I live near them so I see them often. They're are also several types so maybe they just mean this one type.

Grant Grove is a miraculous place. So is Calaveras Big Trees. And the forests along Highway 1 in the North State. Dinky little Foresthill has some junior trees that might begin to look stately by the time I die. There are two lovely sentinels along Highway 4 on the way to Bear Valley. The Coast Range has many groves. You can hike among the redwoods and have time for a shower before heading out to a swanky dinner in San Francisco.

If you haven't seen redwoods I can't recommend them enough. Put it at the top of your bucket list.
 
2021-06-04 10:33:55 AM  

foxyshadis: Cormee: I don't remember the castle fire, what happened?

You had to be there.


Anyone who says they remember it wasn't really there.
 
2021-06-04 11:12:58 AM  

Hell Poodle: lifeslammer: foxyshadis: That said, big oof. Godspeed, good trees, and may god help us all as this becomes the new normal.

Its the new normal because humans are farking morons who didnt understand why fires are good for a forests health. Now instead of just clearing the underbrush and overgrowth out while leaving the big trees alive everything will turn to ash because there is so much fuel

Tribes would do controlled burns to prevent major fires. It helps native plants, puts nutrients in the soil, and prevents megafires. You can rake all you want but it's going to take more time and energy and not be as effective.


Slash and burn technique 👍
 
2021-06-04 12:11:41 PM  

lifeslammer: foxyshadis: That said, big oof. Godspeed, good trees, and may god help us all as this becomes the new normal.

Its the new normal because humans are farking morons who didnt understand why fires are good for a forests health. Now instead of just clearing the underbrush and overgrowth out while leaving the big trees alive everything will turn to ash because there is so much fuel


This isn't really the case anymore. I mean it's a contributing factor but the real problem is that about 1 out of every 5 trees in the southern Sierra is dead or dying. There is a vast amount of fuel that isn't going to go away in any other way than huge fires. This is driven by climate change and droughts.

I was down there a few years ago and the number of dead trees was amazing. All I could think was 'this is all going to burn.'
 
2021-06-04 12:14:19 PM  

dionysusaur: RoyFokker'sGhost: Sad. But wildfires also activate the seeding process in coniferous trees.

And in 300 years or so, MAYBE we'll have some giant trees there.

I heard something about that local microclimate being now too warm and/or dry for sequoias to grow well.


Yeah, Amos, that's how it works.

Ten percent is not that many, and for a giant sequoia to die in a fire means it was probably almost dead anyway. Seedlings need room and light to grow, and the big trees have to come down to give them a chance.

And if conditions are not optimal, there are still trees that can drop cones for the next fire. Nature isn't about letting you look at pretty trees. It's about making room for new ones to grow.
 
2021-06-04 12:29:51 PM  

Cormee: I don't remember the castle fire, what happened?


It's only a model.
 
2021-06-04 6:04:15 PM  

RoyFokker'sGhost: Sad. But wildfires also activate the seeding process in coniferous trees.


All well and good when these fires are a 100-year disaster. When they're an annual occurrence, the saplings have no time to grow before they too are destroyed. See how much overlap huge wildfires are getting in the last couple decades: http://projects.capradio.org/californ​i​a-fire-history/ And it doesn't even include the gigantic 2020 fires.
 
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