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(Gothamist)   Investigators find MTA's description of plummeting chunks of subway as "isolated incidents" relied on reports from track inspectors who didn't bother with the doing-the-job part of doing their jobs   (gothamist.com) divider line
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2021-06-03 10:12:00 PM  
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2021-06-03 10:39:14 PM  
How is it I've never stumbled across one of these "Don't-do-the-job" Jobs? Is it that I've never had the balls to try to just not do it?

/I need to be the anti-Nike?
 
2021-06-03 11:28:17 PM  
The problem with society is people.
 
2021-06-04 12:51:18 AM  

Bootleg: How is it I've never stumbled across one of these "Don't-do-the-job" Jobs? Is it that I've never had the balls to try to just not do it?

/I need to be the anti-Nike?


They're called 'government jobs'.   Not much pay but huge benefits and you don't really have to do anything.
 
2021-06-04 12:58:09 AM  
'Severe penalties" = suspension. Look out, this might violate the "cruel and unusual" prohibition of the Constitution.
 
2021-06-04 1:00:08 AM  

Bootleg: How is it I've never stumbled across one of these "Don't-do-the-job" Jobs? Is it that I've never had the balls to try to just not do it?

/I need to be the anti-Nike?


Most of these don't last very long over the course of time. Eventually it gets found out.
 
2021-06-04 1:01:07 AM  
The subway system is 100 years old. In a thread just yesterday I expressed my love for New York public transit. I freely admit the MTA governance is a mess. It's run by members appointed by NYC and the state governments of New York, New Jersey, and Connecticut. They're always at each other's throats.
 
2021-06-04 1:02:29 AM  
Black Sheep - The Choice Is Yours (Official Video)
Youtube K9F5xcpjDMU
 
2021-06-04 1:05:05 AM  
Let's not fix the problem; just put up a net to catch the broken parts.

Works in New York and in San Francisco on the Golden Gate.
 
2021-06-04 1:05:53 AM  
They're weather balloons. 🛸
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2021-06-04 1:08:20 AM  
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2021-06-04 1:17:09 AM  

Bootleg: How is it I've never stumbled across one of these "Don't-do-the-job" Jobs? Is it that I've never had the balls to try to just not do it?

/I need to be the anti-Nike?


I had one. Very briefly.

You need to be a special kind of person to have one, and by special, I do mean "special."

It seems like an easy job to do, but really it isn't. If the guilt doesn't get to you, the grinding boredom will.
 
2021-06-04 1:25:09 AM  
How old is that viaduct, anyway? They probably should've replaced it long ago with one that had a deck.
 
2021-06-04 1:43:30 AM  
Marshmallow Jones:
They're called 'government jobs'.   Not much pay but huge benefits and you don't really have to do anything.

Or UNION, these a-holes got drunk and stoned on the job and did not get fired, my ass would be on the curb if I did that.


https://www.torquenews.com/106/chrysl​e​r-ordered-rehire-workers-caught-drinki​ng-smoking-pot-during-lunch

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2021-06-04 1:45:03 AM  

cyberspacedout: How old is that viaduct, anyway? They probably should've replaced it long ago with one that had a deck.


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Why a duck?
 
2021-06-04 1:45:12 AM  
As a professional inspector myself, I just have to say that preventive safety checks are just soooo boring. It's much more exciting and interesting to inspect things after a catastrophic failure.
 
2021-06-04 2:01:43 AM  
My wife works for the French railroad. Each time we see a show about American railroads, her reactions can go from anywhere to "wow that crap would not fly here" to "if I did that I would be SOOOO fired".
 
2021-06-04 2:03:02 AM  
I have never been Union, but I lived with two guys for 10 years who worked for different Unions. They both said how corrupt each one was but did not complain much because it kept their jobs and good pay.
One of them said the Union keeps only skilled workers and not people who will work for nothing, the funny thing is when he got hired he had zero skills, he got hired because his dad was already in the Union. I could run circles around the guy when it comes to experience.
Unions are so corrupt, I am in the family business with my parent and just to set up a display at a Los Angeles convention hall requires paying off the Unions. I can unload my truck by myself in the allotted time, but no the Teamsters are there to make sure you pay to unload.
The biggest B.S. was the Decorators Union to help set up your booth.  They say over one hour before they charge and that is B.S., we said we can do it in 45 minutes, they guy said I don't care looks like over an hour to me so he charged us $150.
I have never in my life seen my mom raise her voice to any one but my dad, but that day they Union steward got an earful.

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2021-06-04 3:17:29 AM  
What? A government paid transit inspector was negligent on the job? In New York? I'm sure they were fired...
*snicker*

In response to the findings, the MTA has agreed to implement more thorough inspection processes, including using electric sensors to identify the sections of track covered by inspectors.

See, that's how you fix the problem! You install electronic sensors to do the job of the inspectors that aren't doing theirs!
Wait...
 
2021-06-04 3:21:10 AM  

DigitalDirt: I have never been Union, but I lived with two guys for 10 years who worked for different Unions. They both said how corrupt each one was but did not complain much because it kept their jobs and good pay.
One of them said the Union keeps only skilled workers and not people who will work for nothing, the funny thing is when he got hired he had zero skills, he got hired because his dad was already in the Union. I could run circles around the guy when it comes to experience.
Unions are so corrupt, I am in the family business with my parent and just to set up a display at a Los Angeles convention hall requires paying off the Unions. I can unload my truck by myself in the allotted time, but no the Teamsters are there to make sure you pay to unload.
The biggest B.S. was the Decorators Union to help set up your booth.  They say over one hour before they charge and that is B.S., we said we can do it in 45 minutes, they guy said I don't care looks like over an hour to me so he charged us $150.
I have never in my life seen my mom raise her voice to any one but my dad, but that day they Union steward got an earful.

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We get it, you hate the middle class.
 
2021-06-04 3:30:10 AM  

DigitalDirt: Marshmallow Jones:
They're called 'government jobs'.   Not much pay but huge benefits and you don't really have to do anything.

Or UNION, these a-holes got drunk and stoned on the job and did not get fired, my ass would be on the curb if I did that.

https://www.torquenews.com/106/chrysle​r-ordered-rehire-workers-caught-drinki​ng-smoking-pot-during-lunch

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To be fair, they could probably still do their job with a buzz/high, and maybe better. That's just how farking boring and overpaid those jobs can be.
How do I know? I'm a journeyman machinist who has worked most of manufacturing from bottom to top, and unless you get into an interesting place or are good/lucky enough to get into R&D, a lot of it is mind numbingly boring/stupid.

I currently do machining, welding, mechanics, assembly, wiring, "programming" and testing at a small EV shop. One day the office manager walked up to me when I was cold sawing some stainless angle iron... I had my eyes closed and didn't see him. He was "concerned" that I was asleep on the job, and I told him "Yeah, I know it looks like schitt, but I was upright and can hear what is going on. I don't need to see it, and I was qualified to run this equipment before you were qualified to jack off. What is your point?".
We aren't really friends... yet?

That said, I was neither drunk nor high... (bad combo with real machinery), I was just tired and REALLY FARKING BORED.
 
2021-06-04 4:28:18 AM  

DigitalDirt: Unions are so corrupt, I am in the family business with my parent and just to set up a display at a Los Angeles convention hall requires paying off the Unions. I can unload my truck by myself in the allotted time, but no the Teamsters are there to make sure you pay to unload.
The biggest B.S. was the Decorators Union to help set up your booth.  They say over one hour before they charge and that is B.S., we said we can do it in 45 minutes, they guy said I don't care looks like over an hour to me so he charged us $150.
I have never in my life seen my mom raise her voice to any one but my dad, but that day they Union steward got an earful.


We rented out an entire room at a convention hall for work. They said we couldn't plug in anything into the wall outlets, even charging a cellphone, without paying the union. It was something like $45 an hour, minimum 3 hours, for the union member to come to our room to handle plugging anything in.

Then once you decided you wanted to pay the union member $135 to come over and plug something in, you'd have to pay some $100 supervisor fee, that pays whomever was supposedly supervising the dispatch of this person. We have to pay you to have someone supervise the person who is doing the job we're paying them to do?

Funny thing is attendees would just plug their phones and laptops into the wall outlets of the convention center to charge.
 
2021-06-04 4:28:37 AM  

NoGodsButtMan: DigitalDirt: I have never been Union, but I lived with two guys for 10 years who worked for different Unions. They both said how corrupt each one was but did not complain much because it kept their jobs and good pay.
One of them said the Union keeps only skilled workers and not people who will work for nothing, the funny thing is when he got hired he had zero skills, he got hired because his dad was already in the Union. I could run circles around the guy when it comes to experience.
Unions are so corrupt, I am in the family business with my parent and just to set up a display at a Los Angeles convention hall requires paying off the Unions. I can unload my truck by myself in the allotted time, but no the Teamsters are there to make sure you pay to unload.
The biggest B.S. was the Decorators Union to help set up your booth.  They say over one hour before they charge and that is B.S., we said we can do it in 45 minutes, they guy said I don't care looks like over an hour to me so he charged us $150.
I have never in my life seen my mom raise her voice to any one but my dad, but that day they Union steward got an earful.

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We get it, you hate the middle class.


I am middle class, I hate getting robbed by Unions when doing a show at a convention center, is that hard to understand?  They say they are protecting the workers but we are family, me, my mom, my dad and brother and yet the Union would shake us down for money at every show.
 
2021-06-04 4:30:36 AM  

NoGodsButtMan: DigitalDirt: I have never been Union, but I lived with two guys for 10 years who worked for different Unions. They both said how corrupt each one was but did not complain much because it kept their jobs and good pay.
One of them said the Union keeps only skilled workers and not people who will work for nothing, the funny thing is when he got hired he had zero skills, he got hired because his dad was already in the Union. I could run circles around the guy when it comes to experience.
Unions are so corrupt, I am in the family business with my parent and just to set up a display at a Los Angeles convention hall requires paying off the Unions. I can unload my truck by myself in the allotted time, but no the Teamsters are there to make sure you pay to unload.
The biggest B.S. was the Decorators Union to help set up your booth.  They say over one hour before they charge and that is B.S., we said we can do it in 45 minutes, they guy said I don't care looks like over an hour to me so he charged us $150.
I have never in my life seen my mom raise her voice to any one but my dad, but that day they Union steward got an earful.

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We get it, you hate the middle class.


Read the response from lilfry14 above, he has dealt with the same corruption from Unions.
 
2021-06-04 4:42:48 AM  

Percise1: DigitalDirt: Marshmallow Jones:
They're called 'government jobs'.   Not much pay but huge benefits and you don't really have to do anything.

Or UNION, these a-holes got drunk and stoned on the job and did not get fired, my ass would be on the curb if I did that.

https://www.torquenews.com/106/chrysle​r-ordered-rehire-workers-caught-drinki​ng-smoking-pot-during-lunch

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To be fair, they could probably still do their job with a buzz/high, and maybe better. That's just how farking boring and overpaid those jobs can be.
How do I know? I'm a journeyman machinist who has worked most of manufacturing from bottom to top, and unless you get into an interesting place or are good/lucky enough to get into R&D, a lot of it is mind numbingly boring/stupid.

I currently do machining, welding, mechanics, assembly, wiring, "programming" and testing at a small EV shop. One day the office manager walked up to me when I was cold sawing some stainless angle iron... I had my eyes closed and didn't see him. He was "concerned" that I was asleep on the job, and I told him "Yeah, I know it looks like schitt, but I was upright and can hear what is going on. I don't need to see it, and I was qualified to run this equipment before you were qualified to jack off. What is your point?".
We aren't really friends... yet?

That said, I was neither drunk nor high... (bad combo with real machinery), I was just tired and REALLY FARKING BORED.


I have done many a project at home while having more than few beers, makes the time go by faster and it tends to make me focus more.  But that is at my house not at a job making cars that can change peoples lives.
 
2021-06-04 4:43:32 AM  
"they are paying severe penalties for those violations"

How much are these penalties? For all we know it could be $10000 and the person made $50000 not doing work for 6 months.

When I went to UC Berkeley there was some secretary for the vice chancellor that got her boyfriend contractor raises illegally, where he was making like 134k instead of 90k.

When the investigation concluded after several months, she was fined something fined some thing around $10,000-$20,000, can't remember the exact number, but it was less than the raises.
 
2021-06-04 4:56:10 AM  

lilfry14: DigitalDirt: Unions are so corrupt, I am in the family business with my parent and just to set up a display at a Los Angeles convention hall requires paying off the Unions. I can unload my truck by myself in the allotted time, but no the Teamsters are there to make sure you pay to unload.
The biggest B.S. was the Decorators Union to help set up your booth.  They say over one hour before they charge and that is B.S., we said we can do it in 45 minutes, they guy said I don't care looks like over an hour to me so he charged us $150.
I have never in my life seen my mom raise her voice to any one but my dad, but that day they Union steward got an earful.

We rented out an entire room at a convention hall for work. They said we couldn't plug in anything into the wall outlets, even charging a cellphone, without paying the union. It was something like $45 an hour, minimum 3 hours, for the union member to come to our room to handle plugging anything in.

Then once you decided you wanted to pay the union member $135 to come over and plug something in, you'd have to pay some $100 supervisor fee, that pays whomever was supposedly supervising the dispatch of this person. We have to pay you to have someone supervise the person who is doing the job we're paying them to do?

Funny thing is attendees would just plug their phones and laptops into the wall outlets of the convention center to charge.


This was back in 1998, so prices have changed.  We had to pay $150 bucks for a guy to help us put our booth that we had already set up in 45 minutes yet they still charged us. He put in light bulbs and did decorations, cleaned the carpet and cleaned the glass for an hour.  My mom asked him what he was making, I don't remember for sure but it was $16-19 dollars an hour. So about $130 of what we paid was going to the Union.
That is complete corruption for a business family like mine who was not taking any Union jobs and was just a family business.
 
2021-06-04 4:57:12 AM  
Sorry meant to say 1988, not 1998!
 
2021-06-04 4:57:24 AM  

DigitalDirt: NoGodsButtMan: DigitalDirt: I have never been Union, but I lived with two guys for 10 years who worked for different Unions. They both said how corrupt each one was but did not complain much because it kept their jobs and good pay.
One of them said the Union keeps only skilled workers and not people who will work for nothing, the funny thing is when he got hired he had zero skills, he got hired because his dad was already in the Union. I could run circles around the guy when it comes to experience.
Unions are so corrupt, I am in the family business with my parent and just to set up a display at a Los Angeles convention hall requires paying off the Unions. I can unload my truck by myself in the allotted time, but no the Teamsters are there to make sure you pay to unload.
The biggest B.S. was the Decorators Union to help set up your booth.  They say over one hour before they charge and that is B.S., we said we can do it in 45 minutes, they guy said I don't care looks like over an hour to me so he charged us $150.
I have never in my life seen my mom raise her voice to any one but my dad, but that day they Union steward got an earful.

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We get it, you hate the middle class.

Read the response from lilfry14 above, he has dealt with the same corruption from Unions.


I noticed they didn't say where they were and what union they had to pay. About as much details as Marine Todd stories.
 
2021-06-04 4:58:02 AM  

padraig: My wife works for the French railroad. Each time we see a show about American railroads, her reactions can go from anywhere to "wow that crap would not fly here" to "if I did that I would be SOOOO fired".


Just how often are there shows about American railroads on French TV?
 
2021-06-04 5:03:50 AM  
thatboyoverthere: I noticed they didn't say where they were and what union they had to pay. About as much details as Marine Todd stories.

First of all never heard of Marine Todd, second who is "they"?
 
2021-06-04 5:12:10 AM  

Marshmallow Jones: Not much pay


The base salary averages around $80k but nobody makes the base salary. There are plenty of opportunities for overtime and the pension-padding plain old fraud that comes with it. A few of them get too greedy but if you're not a damn idiot about the sleaze, a six figure pension (free of state taxes forever and ever amen) isn't hard to come by.
 
2021-06-04 5:23:39 AM  

DigitalDirt: NoGodsButtMan: DigitalDirt: I have never been Union, but I lived with two guys for 10 years who worked for different Unions. They both said how corrupt each one was but did not complain much because it kept their jobs and good pay.
One of them said the Union keeps only skilled workers and not people who will work for nothing, the funny thing is when he got hired he had zero skills, he got hired because his dad was already in the Union. I could run circles around the guy when it comes to experience.
Unions are so corrupt, I am in the family business with my parent and just to set up a display at a Los Angeles convention hall requires paying off the Unions. I can unload my truck by myself in the allotted time, but no the Teamsters are there to make sure you pay to unload.
The biggest B.S. was the Decorators Union to help set up your booth.  They say over one hour before they charge and that is B.S., we said we can do it in 45 minutes, they guy said I don't care looks like over an hour to me so he charged us $150.
I have never in my life seen my mom raise her voice to any one but my dad, but that day they Union steward got an earful.

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We get it, you hate the middle class.

I am middle class, I hate getting robbed by Unions when doing a show at a convention center, is that hard to understand?  They say they are protecting the workers but we are family, me, my mom, my dad and brother and yet the Union would shake us down for money at every show.


Wait til you see what executives get away with.
 
2021-06-04 5:27:40 AM  

padraig: My wife works for the French railroad. Each time we see a show about American railroads, her reactions can go from anywhere to "wow that crap would not fly here" to "if I did that I would be SOOOO fired".


I am from California and I met a lady who was a train conductor when she was younger, she messed up a RED/GREEN light and rammed another train and is no longer a train conductor.
She was in her 20's and drove trains, she messed up.  I have never been a train conductor.
Been to France once, everyone was so nice, except one really old grumpy bartender, he would not even serve me, he had the younger guy help me. After 2 hours I won him over and he gave me gifts for my trip when I left.  Racism, nationalism, religionism, I don't get it.

The picture I took before it burned.
Notre-Dame de Paris

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2021-06-04 5:38:18 AM  

DigitalDirt: thatboyoverthere: I noticed they didn't say where they were and what union they had to pay. About as much details as Marine Todd stories.

First of all never heard of Marine Todd, second who is "they"?


You've been here since 2003 yet don't know a recurring copypasta/joke/meme that gets pasted around here a lot. Interesting.
 
2021-06-04 5:39:06 AM  

sojourner: DigitalDirt: NoGodsButtMan: DigitalDirt: I have never been Union, but I lived with two guys for 10 years who worked for different Unions. They both said how corrupt each one was but did not complain much because it kept their jobs and good pay.
One of them said the Union keeps only skilled workers and not people who will work for nothing, the funny thing is when he got hired he had zero skills, he got hired because his dad was already in the Union. I could run circles around the guy when it comes to experience.
Unions are so corrupt, I am in the family business with my parent and just to set up a display at a Los Angeles convention hall requires paying off the Unions. I can unload my truck by myself in the allotted time, but no the Teamsters are there to make sure you pay to unload.
The biggest B.S. was the Decorators Union to help set up your booth.  They say over one hour before they charge and that is B.S., we said we can do it in 45 minutes, they guy said I don't care looks like over an hour to me so he charged us $150.
I have never in my life seen my mom raise her voice to any one but my dad, but that day they Union steward got an earful.

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We get it, you hate the middle class.

I am middle class, I hate getting robbed by Unions when doing a show at a convention center, is that hard to understand?  They say they are protecting the workers but we are family, me, my mom, my dad and brother and yet the Union would shake us down for money at every show.

Wait til you see what executives get away with.


Executives always win. How they treat their employees is different.
I have been on both ends, working for a company that does not give a shiat about employees (worked for a huge telephone Bell company that merged with another shiat company)
I have been around the block and I will say look at COX Communications if they are in your area.  I only left because I am taking over my parents business.
 
2021-06-04 5:42:48 AM  

thatboyoverthere: Marine Todd


Nope, I know a thousand memes, Marine Todd is not one that stuck in my my mind.  Even after Googling it, still seems lame and something I would not remember.
Not sure how this is funny or a meme.

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2021-06-04 5:58:11 AM  

thatboyoverthere: DigitalDirt:

You've been here since 2003 yet don't know a recurring copypasta/joke/meme that gets pasted around here a lot. Interesting.


Yeah a bunch of horribly done text over pictures that I never read.  It hurts my eyes, I do graphic design and this is just the worst no matter what it says. I may even agree with your political philosophies, but I will never read them on those terrible photoshop pictures.

Learn to be concise and make a point.


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2021-06-04 6:01:22 AM  

thatboyoverthere: DigitalDirt: NoGodsButtMan: DigitalDirt: I have never been Union, but I lived with two guys for 10 years who worked for different Unions. They both said how corrupt each one was but did not complain much because it kept their jobs and good pay.
One of them said the Union keeps only skilled workers and not people who will work for nothing, the funny thing is when he got hired he had zero skills, he got hired because his dad was already in the Union. I could run circles around the guy when it comes to experience.
Unions are so corrupt, I am in the family business with my parent and just to set up a display at a Los Angeles convention hall requires paying off the Unions. I can unload my truck by myself in the allotted time, but no the Teamsters are there to make sure you pay to unload.
The biggest B.S. was the Decorators Union to help set up your booth.  They say over one hour before they charge and that is B.S., we said we can do it in 45 minutes, they guy said I don't care looks like over an hour to me so he charged us $150.
I have never in my life seen my mom raise her voice to any one but my dad, but that day they Union steward got an earful.

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We get it, you hate the middle class.

Read the response from lilfry14 above, he has dealt with the same corruption from Unions.

I noticed they didn't say where they were and what union they had to pay. About as much details as Marine Todd stories.


Ok, so lets say you are not trolling but are actually asking me for details, then just ask me for details.
 
2021-06-04 6:07:23 AM  

DigitalDirt: thatboyoverthere: DigitalDirt: NoGodsButtMan: DigitalDirt: I have never been Union, but I lived with two guys for 10 years who worked for different Unions. They both said how corrupt each one was but did not complain much because it kept their jobs and good pay.
One of them said the Union keeps only skilled workers and not people who will work for nothing, the funny thing is when he got hired he had zero skills, he got hired because his dad was already in the Union. I could run circles around the guy when it comes to experience.
Unions are so corrupt, I am in the family business with my parent and just to set up a display at a Los Angeles convention hall requires paying off the Unions. I can unload my truck by myself in the allotted time, but no the Teamsters are there to make sure you pay to unload.
The biggest B.S. was the Decorators Union to help set up your booth.  They say over one hour before they charge and that is B.S., we said we can do it in 45 minutes, they guy said I don't care looks like over an hour to me so he charged us $150.
I have never in my life seen my mom raise her voice to any one but my dad, but that day they Union steward got an earful.

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We get it, you hate the middle class.

Read the response from lilfry14 above, he has dealt with the same corruption from Unions.

I noticed they didn't say where they were and what union they had to pay. About as much details as Marine Todd stories.

Ok, so lets say you are not trolling but are actually asking me for details, then just ask me for details.


So you have heard of Marine Todd, but are just playing stupid to avoid having to admit that you don't actually have any actual proof about how bad Unions are. You rant and rave about how Unions are bad but can't bring up any actual proof or even anecdotes. Just generic scare tactics that got old in the 90's on AM radio. 

Fark Deserves Better Mod Trolls.
 
2021-06-04 6:41:38 AM  

GardenWeasel: The problem with society is people.


So's Soilent Green.
 
2021-06-04 6:46:14 AM  

Purple_Urkle: They're weather balloons. 🛸
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What book is that from?
 
2021-06-04 6:47:28 AM  
Also, they could've saved a lot of money and just asked Charlie to inspect things on his way through the MTA tunnels. Give him something to do while he's stuck down there.
 
2021-06-04 7:44:36 AM  
thatboyoverthere:

Good night...or day. We will talk another day.
 
2021-06-04 8:02:43 AM  

DigitalDirt: NoGodsButtMan: DigitalDirt: I have never been Union, but I lived with two guys for 10 years who worked for different Unions. They both said how corrupt each one was but did not complain much because it kept their jobs and good pay.
One of them said the Union keeps only skilled workers and not people who will work for nothing, the funny thing is when he got hired he had zero skills, he got hired because his dad was already in the Union. I could run circles around the guy when it comes to experience.
Unions are so corrupt, I am in the family business with my parent and just to set up a display at a Los Angeles convention hall requires paying off the Unions. I can unload my truck by myself in the allotted time, but no the Teamsters are there to make sure you pay to unload.
The biggest B.S. was the Decorators Union to help set up your booth.  They say over one hour before they charge and that is B.S., we said we can do it in 45 minutes, they guy said I don't care looks like over an hour to me so he charged us $150.
I have never in my life seen my mom raise her voice to any one but my dad, but that day they Union steward got an earful.

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We get it, you hate the middle class.

Read the response from lilfry14 above, he has dealt with the same corruption from Unions.


As have many of us.  The problem is the corruption from companies where Unions do not exist makes Union corruption look like an airline bag of peanuts.  Unions are setting a power structure to fight with the power structure companies have by nature.  They're not cuddly, or saintly, they're just necessary.  One side has all the power in a situation, the other side gets farked - every time.  Two sides have power, they'll both fark around and abuse it, but they balance each other off and overall you do better.  That's why they need to be there, not because they're Jesus in a hardhat.  They're goons to counter the company's goons - 'cause without that the side without goons is 400% farked.  It's just a realist's version of checks and balances, without it you're relying 100% on goodwill to not get bent over by the employer.  Sure, some of us have had employers that are decent people - some.  Anyone here think that's a great idea taken as a whole considering the bosses and companies you've seen over your lifetime?

/yes, there's always the government - they can step in to try to protect employees with laws and such, and they do to an extent
//but the government, being dependent of tax revenue from said companies - conflict of interest/greed much?
///which is - once again - why Unions or the like exist, and need to exist
 
2021-06-04 8:08:31 AM  

thatboyoverthere: DigitalDirt: thatboyoverthere: DigitalDirt: NoGodsButtMan: DigitalDirt: 
I noticed they didn't say where they were and what union they had to pay. About as much details as Marine Todd stories.

Ok, so lets say you are not trolling but are actually asking me for details, then just ask me for details.

So you have heard of Marine Todd, but are just playing stupid to avoid having to admit that you don't actually have any actual proof about how bad Unions are. You rant and rave about how Unions are bad but can't bring up any actual proof or even anecdotes. Just generic scare tactics that got old in the 90's on AM radio. 

Fark Deserves Better Mod Trolls.


If you think that unions, and the executive suite, aren't both in severe need of changes and improvement, then you are just cheerleading for one side or the other. We have extremely highly paid executives that complain about having to raise the price of a pizza $.25 in order to give employees health insurance, while they treat themselves to the best benefits, while making 200x as much money as their employees that can't afford to be sick.
My best friend of 50 years was a postal union rep. for a decade. He went back to line work because he said he was spending the majority of his time defending employees that should have been fired in 5 minutes in the private sector. That 5% of the workers took up 95% of his time. He stayed at USPS because the union wages, benefits, and pension cannot be matched in the private sector. People need to stop saying that government workers give up pay in order to serve. That only applies to the very top of the ladder.
My dad was a small business owner with union employees, so I have seen that side also.
I think we need a lot more unions, and especially at the bottom of the economic ladder. But, we need those unions to actually work for the members, rather than just for themselves. In that, they are no different than the executives on the other side of the table. The head of the union makes his $250K whether it has 50K members, or their demands and work rules strangle and shrink it to 5K. The executive makes his $250K whether or not his business is growing or shrinking. Neither side wants to look at the long range viability. It's always owners vs. workers, and never owners WITH workers.

Yes, I know how my unicorn farm has been working out. That doesn't mean we shouldn't be trying to make life better for people other than ourselves.
 
2021-06-04 8:49:51 AM  
"Seven employees have since been suspended."

Well that will teach them.
 
2021-06-04 9:13:10 AM  

DigitalDirt: Marshmallow Jones:
They're called 'government jobs'.   Not much pay but huge benefits and you don't really have to do anything.

Or UNION, these a-holes got drunk and stoned on the job and did not get fired, my ass would be on the curb if I did that.

https://www.torquenews.com/106/chrysle​r-ordered-rehire-workers-caught-drinki​ng-smoking-pot-during-lunch

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Ma's gotta do what a man's gotta do.

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What book is that from?


Millennial Hospitality

/read the pics, too
//looked interesting
 
2021-06-04 10:23:06 AM  
"Trust, but verify" is an important part of that kind of work - sure, trust the inspectors to independently do their jobs, but spot-check on a regular, random basis whether they're actually doing them.

So, my question would be "while we see you firing the inspectors that didn't bother to show up & do their jobs, why aren't you also firing the supervisors who clearly didn't bother to do their jobs & check that inspectors were, y'know, inspecting?"
 
2021-06-04 10:35:52 AM  
Hrm, seems to be a fresh Lazarus Goblin.

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