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2021-06-02 2:28:26 PM  
Murica fark yeah.

They ask where have we gone wrong? Just about everywhere. If only there had been more guns around to stop this from happening.
 
2021-06-02 2:52:29 PM  
If they try a 14 year old as an adult does that mean she's fair game for child molesters?
 
2021-06-02 2:53:08 PM  
The kids were standing their ground!
 
2021-06-02 2:53:37 PM  

edmo: Murica fark yeah.

They ask where have we gone wrong? Just about everywhere. If only there had been more guns around to stop this from happening.


Somehow I and hundreds of millions of Americans have managed to grow up without shooting anyone.
America is not to blame, it's called having shiatty parents.
 
2021-06-02 2:54:06 PM  
What the hell is the Department of Juvenile Justice doing sending these kids to places that can't handle them?

Might have something to do with the cops having the budget and manpower to surround the house with a couple dozen officers armed to the teeth with full body armor, while juvie can't afford enough beds and has to send kids to adult prisons.
 
2021-06-02 2:55:40 PM  
I take umbrage with the article stating deputies were forced to fire because the Kid shot first. They were not strictly obligated to fire back, especially if the kids were in a house in the area was clear. Hunker down behind your cars and shoot some tear gas or something in there
 
2021-06-02 2:56:04 PM  

dothemath: If they try a 14 year old as an adult does that mean she's fair game for child molesters?


Goddamn this thread got dark fast.
 
2021-06-02 2:56:44 PM  

hardinparamedic: dothemath: If they try a 14 year old as an adult does that mean she's fair game for child molesters?

Goddamn this thread got dark fast.


It's about teenagers shooting at police, who shot back at them, after the kids broke into her house. It got dark before it started
 
2021-06-02 2:57:21 PM  
Better article about the teenage and preteen Bonnie & Clyde:

https://www.clickorlando.com/news/loc​a​l/2021/06/02/deputy-involved-shooting-​reported-in-volusia-county/

"The 14-year-old comes out of the garage with a pump shotgun, levels it at deputies and despite warnings to drop it, she walked back into the garage, she comes back a second time, and that's when deputies opened fire after taking multiple rounds," Chitwood said.

"My deputies showed more restraint than I'm showing right now because I am furious that we could be burying somebody tonight. They took multiple multiple rounds... And I know for a fact one banana clip was empty from the AK-47. I know from the radio transmissions that a 12-year-old opened fire on us. I know that the 14-year-old opened fire on us with a shotgun and then walked out and threatened one of my sergeants and told him she was going to kill him. And we didn't returned fire. But after she came out of the garage, hey, there was nothing left that we could do. We had to do we had to do," Chitwood said.

He described the Jackson and O'Brien as "Bonnie and Clyde" and said they shot at deputies from several vantage points in the home, including the pool deck, the bedroom and from the garage. He also called the pair "evil."

"Their conversation was they were going to kill my sergeant. They were coming out to kill cops. They were coming out to kill deputies, that's the conversation," Chitwood said.
 
2021-06-02 2:58:51 PM  
I don't know about I Fought the Law, but there is the Sandanista! version of The Guns of Brixton, which may be appropriate here.

The Clash - Guns of Brixton (Sandinista version)
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2021-06-02 2:59:05 PM  
https://www.clickorlando.com/news/loc​a​l/2021/06/02/deputy-involved-shooting-​reported-in-volusia-county/

The children have previous history of committing really horrible stuff, such as setting places on fire. The cops really had no choice but to fight back. They've been shot at for a long time and those two kids were seriously trying to kill them (they were loudly talking about killing the cops). There was no other way to handle this situation unless there's a real life Superman or Batman who can avoid getting shot or are invincible against firearms.
 
2021-06-02 2:59:16 PM  

chawco: I take umbrage with the article stating deputies were forced to fire because the Kid shot first. They were not strictly obligated to fire back, especially if the kids were in a house in the area was clear. Hunker down behind your cars and shoot some tear gas or something in there


Bullets pass through cars pretty easily, unless you're behind the engine block, and you're still pretty exposed even then.
 
2021-06-02 3:00:19 PM  
More American Taliban child soldiers?
 
2021-06-02 3:01:18 PM  
Much more detailed article:  https://www.clickorlando.co​m/news/loca​l/2021/06/02/deputy-involved-shooting-​reported-in-volusia-county/

They name the kids...who does that in an article like this?
 
2021-06-02 3:01:25 PM  

chawco: hardinparamedic: dothemath: If they try a 14 year old as an adult does that mean she's fair game for child molesters?

Goddamn this thread got dark fast.

It's about teenagers shooting at police, who shot back at them, after the kids broke into her house. It got dark before it started


Sentencing people to child rape is a plan I guess, Cotton.
 
2021-06-02 3:01:49 PM  

WhoGAS: Much more detailed article:  https://www.clickorlando.com​/news/local/2021/06/02/deputy-involved​-shooting-reported-in-volusia-county/

They name the kids...who does that in an article like this?


*looks up*  Nevermind...I should type faster
 
2021-06-02 3:04:34 PM  
Ha.  i went to a Kidz Bop concert.  my kids loved it, my wife really got into it.  there were about 2,000 people there, and virtually every father just sat there nursing his 3rd, 4th, or 5th alcoholic beverage, checking their watch every 43 seconds (except me, i just sat there and checked my watch every 53 seconds).

but the kids had a blast.
 
2021-06-02 3:05:14 PM  
Article omits that the girl burned down the first home she was placed in prior to running away from the current group home she and the boy were in. She has a bright future in the license plate manufacturing industry.
 
2021-06-02 3:05:49 PM  
And here I was in middle school thinking a risque evening was watching the scrambled porn channel for the occasional hint of boobies.

Some people live dramatically more exciting lives than I have.
 
2021-06-02 3:09:00 PM  

Herr Flick's Revenge: edmo: Murica fark yeah.

They ask where have we gone wrong? Just about everywhere. If only there had been more guns around to stop this from happening.

Somehow I and hundreds of millions of Americans have managed to grow up without shooting anyone.
America is not to blame, it's called having shiatty parents.


They ran away from a foster home. So it's more like "no parents" or "foster parents so bad they'd rather be shot at by cops".
 
2021-06-02 3:09:06 PM  

edmo: Murica fark yeah.

They ask where have we gone wrong? Just about everywhere. If only there had been more guns around to stop this from happening.


if only    (._. )
 
2021-06-02 3:09:14 PM  
That article didn't smack of "pre-emptive cover," now, did it?

Because, at the end of the day, the cops shot a girl because she came out holding a shotgun.

Here's another article. Read the language carefully.

Deputies were met with gunfire "multiple times" without initially returning fire Chitwood said. At one point, deputies threw a cellphone into the home to communicate with the children, but multiple attempts to de-escalate the situation were unsuccessful.
The situation spanned several hours, Chitwood said.
Around 8:40 p.m., the girl emerged from the home saying she was going to kill the sergeant, Chitwood said.
The girl later pointed a shotgun at the deputies from the garage at one point and, after not dropping it as instructed by law enforcement, deputies opened fire.
The girl is "fighting for her life" at a nearby hospital, Chitwood said.
At one point, the boy was holding an AK-47 but eventually dropped it, Chitwood said. The boy was also a diabetic and requires frequent insulin, Chitwood said.
Neither the boy nor the deputies were hurt, Chitwood said.


The situation "spanned several hours," but deputies "negotiated for two hours." The deputies claim multiple rounds of gunfire, but apparently no one & nothing was hit.

Yeah, I'm gonna want to see the bodycams on this one.
 
2021-06-02 3:10:24 PM  

hardinparamedic: dothemath: If they try a 14 year old as an adult does that mean she's fair game for child molesters?

Goddamn this thread got dark fast.


You will show respect to the Congressman from Florida, citizen.
 
2021-06-02 3:10:27 PM  
Damn he was hanging out with an older chick, that kid is pretty cool
 
2021-06-02 3:11:30 PM  

wiwille: chawco: I take umbrage with the article stating deputies were forced to fire because the Kid shot first. They were not strictly obligated to fire back, especially if the kids were in a house in the area was clear. Hunker down behind your cars and shoot some tear gas or something in there

Bullets pass through cars pretty easily, unless you're behind the engine block, and you're still pretty exposed even then.


Are they firing freakin magnums? I'm not gonna read this, I've had enough madness in my life today. But when police are trained to shoot first, all other options become non options.
 
2021-06-02 3:11:39 PM  

chawco: I take umbrage with the article stating deputies were forced to fire because the Kid shot first. They were not strictly obligated to fire back, especially if the kids were in a house in the area was clear. Hunker down behind your cars and shoot some tear gas or something in there


It's just a damn shame they didn't have someone with your experience and wisdom in charge.
 
2021-06-02 3:12:06 PM  
Where have we gone wrong?  

Foster care is a mess in this country
Mental care is a mess in this country.
Educational system is a mess in this country
Guns are more common than salt shakers in this country.

My money is blaming Grand Theft Auto and movies over what I just mentioned.
 
2021-06-02 3:13:07 PM  

UltimaCS: What the hell is the Department of Juvenile Justice doing sending these kids to places that can't handle them?

Might have something to do with the cops having the budget and manpower to surround the house with a couple dozen officers armed to the teeth with full body armor, while juvie can't afford enough beds and has to send kids to adult prisons.


I liked how they had 8 different lottery results running on a crawl under the news report. The extreme wealth inequality likely has something to do with it too.
 
2021-06-02 3:13:19 PM  

WhoGAS: Much more detailed article:  https://www.clickorlando.com​/news/local/2021/06/02/deputy-involved​-shooting-reported-in-volusia-county/

They name the kids...who does that in an article like this?


So far, the focus appears to be on how the halfway house is a failure because scared kids were willing to use guns to avoid being taken by cops or going back, and how this is a failure on society's part.

They couldn't give a shiat about the kids.
 
2021-06-02 3:16:21 PM  
Volusia County Sheriff Mike Chitwood said they tried to negotiate with the children to stop for two hours.

"Our deputies did everything they could tonight to deescalate..."


Wow, two whole hours!??!
 
2021-06-02 3:16:29 PM  

GreenSun: The children have previous history of committing really horrible stuff, such as setting places on fire.


I emailed the sheriff to ask about that because details in articles were scarce other than saying the 14-year-old was in custody for "stealing puppies." Even if we are talking some purebred with a dollar value attached to make it a felony, I was asking WTF is a 14-year-old doing in pre-trial juvenile detention for a theft charge. Seriously, why?

Apparently the 14-year-old intentionally burned down her foster parents' house.

A child in foster care points to some problems at home. A child in foster care that intentionally burns down a foster home has some really, REALLY big emotional and psychological problems going on there. And even after committing arson, she still didn't get secured detention...
 
2021-06-02 3:17:29 PM  
I haven't got time for any of this shiat about why kids are violent, I need to go next door and watch a Nightline special about teenage gun crime - oh wait a minute - it's been replaced by a Breaking News item about a mass shooting at a school.
 
2021-06-02 3:18:14 PM  
Seriously, every article I can find on this shooting has focused on the conference given after the event and the spiel about how brave & restrained the deputies were in dealing with two kids with guns, and how it's everyone else's fault that they had to shoot the girl - it's a full-court press to frame the story before anyone, anyone at all, has talked with the kids, or gotten any information other than that of the conference.

It could very well be my anti-police bias talking, but, I'll be damned if this doesn't feel forced.
 
2021-06-02 3:18:48 PM  
FLORIDUH SHERIFF: Where have we gone wrong that 12-year-old and 14-year-old think it's okay to take on law enforcement?

JAN. 6, 2021: LOL

Republicans really are the most worthless piles of shiat imaginable. None of them should have jobs in law enforcement. Or government. Or really any important job in which they are required to make decisions on behalf of the public.
 
2021-06-02 3:18:55 PM  

chawco: wiwille: chawco: I take umbrage with the article stating deputies were forced to fire because the Kid shot first. They were not strictly obligated to fire back, especially if the kids were in a house in the area was clear. Hunker down behind your cars and shoot some tear gas or something in there

Bullets pass through cars pretty easily, unless you're behind the engine block, and you're still pretty exposed even then.

Are they firing freakin magnums?


Rifles. Rifle bullets go right through car doors, car fenders, etc.
 
2021-06-02 3:20:27 PM  
I like that the lean of this thread is blaming the foster kids.  Yes, they're guilty of bad things, but guess what?  THEY'RE KIDS with bad pasts and deserve second, third and fourth chances.
 
2021-06-02 3:24:23 PM  
And for those who wonder why I'm assuming a sheriff in Floriduh yapping about how children ever got the idea that it's OK to fire on police is a Republican ... LOL.

Maybe they got the idea from the arsenal of weapons they encountered in the house they broke into, an arsenal that apparently the sheriff doesn't think is the problem, so he didn't mention it. Instead, he shiat all over the Department of Juvenile Justice, because of course it's THEIR fault two children had a bunch of ammo and guns with which to fire on police.

Can't blame the innocent guns in a situation like this. Duh.
 
2021-06-02 3:25:50 PM  

InfoFreako: chawco: I take umbrage with the article stating deputies were forced to fire because the Kid shot first. They were not strictly obligated to fire back, especially if the kids were in a house in the area was clear. Hunker down behind your cars and shoot some tear gas or something in there

It's just a damn shame they didn't have someone with your experience and wisdom in charge.


I'd say its more a damn shame that in the last 30 years police have been retrained to shoot first, and not try anything but. I guess thats jsut me, who thinks police opening fire on people even, in almsot any circumstances, is the worst case outcome.
 
2021-06-02 3:25:51 PM  

Thank You Black Jesus!: hardinparamedic: dothemath: If they try a 14 year old as an adult does that mean she's fair game for child molesters?

Goddamn this thread got dark fast.

You will show respect to the Congressman from Florida, citizen.


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2021-06-02 3:29:40 PM  
That's what you get for letting them watch The Mickey and Mallory Mouse Clubhouse all day.
 
2021-06-02 3:34:45 PM  

Smelly Pirate Hooker: Maybe they got the idea from the arsenal of weapons they encountered in the house they broke into, an arsenal that apparently the sheriff doesn't think is the problem, so he didn't mention it.


In any other civilized country, this would be what people would focus on as the catalyst of the tragedy.
 
2021-06-02 3:35:18 PM  
TFAThe sheriff's office said the foster kids ran away from a juvenile home on Tuesday. They broke into a house where they found an AK-47, a pump shotgun, a handgun, and 200 rounds of ammunition. When deputies arrived, the children shot at them.

Did you notice they completely missed the word UNSECURED? Why do people do this?
 
2021-06-02 3:36:48 PM  
Again, it should be stressed - the girl wasn't shot because she shot at police. They weren't returning fire.

She was shot because she didn't drop a shotgun she was holding.

"The 14-year-old comes out of the garage with a pump shotgun, levels it at deputies and despite warnings to drop it, she walked back into the garage, she comes back a second time, and that's when deputies opened fire after taking multiple rounds," Chitwood said.

Chitwood's doing his level best to paint a picture here, but the "before" (all the radio chatter & times, which paints two murderous moppets who lucked out on a house full of guns & ammo, repeatedly opening fire on cops) and the "after" (the witnessed shooting, where cops shoot a 14-year-old girl because she didn't drop a shotgun and watch the 12-year-old immediately drop his gun "30 seconds later") don't really match up.

It's as if Chitwood's trying to forestall the inevitable by running a bunch of timestamped radio reports as justification for the shooting. It's going to be interesting to see what kind of damage 2 kids with an AK-47 and a shotgun who shot multiple times at deputies over a period of just 26 minutes (from 8:28, from "the first to arrive," to 8:54, when the kid "armed with an AK-47, opens fire on deputies") did to deputies, or vehicles, or the neighborhood.
 
2021-06-02 3:39:25 PM  
Did someone say Kidz Bop?!

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2021-06-02 3:40:06 PM  
And before folks jump on the "after taking multiple rounds" bit of Chitwood's statement, other articles also indicated the she hadn't fired the shotgun - that she had "pointed it at them" and "didn't drop it according to deputies' instructions."

He's playing fast & loose there, by working that bit in without mentioning that the "multiple rounds" to which he's referring apparently occurred much earlier, according to the radio chatter.

There's a lot here that looks & sounds hinky.
 
2021-06-02 3:40:06 PM  

chawco: wiwille: chawco: I take umbrage with the article stating deputies were forced to fire because the Kid shot first. They were not strictly obligated to fire back, especially if the kids were in a house in the area was clear. Hunker down behind your cars and shoot some tear gas or something in there

Bullets pass through cars pretty easily, unless you're behind the engine block, and you're still pretty exposed even then.

Are they firing freakin magnums? I'm not gonna read this, I've had enough madness in my life today. But when police are trained to shoot first, all other options become non options.


Utilizing a vehicle as cover during an ambush or gunfight
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Everything but the engine block is considered soft cover, even against basic handgun ammo and shotguns.
 
2021-06-02 3:42:01 PM  
Is subby suggesting Kidz Bop makes one violent?
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/you may be on to something there...
 
2021-06-02 3:43:06 PM  
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2021-06-02 3:43:53 PM  
I'm not drawing judgement until we find out if any cops were molesting these kids
 
2021-06-02 3:44:02 PM  

stuhayes2010: I like that the lean of this thread is blaming the foster kids.  Yes, they're guilty of bad things, but guess what?  THEY'RE KIDS with bad pasts and deserve second, third and fourth chances.


You take them, then. Seriously, call up and volunteer to let them into your house. Sleep with them under your roof. Also, keep a fire extinguisher handy.
 
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