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2021-06-02 11:46:34 AM  
Don't write shiatty screenplays and you should be okay. Maybe.
 
2021-06-02 1:12:58 PM  
I too am deeply concerned about the high standards of a franchise that gave us "Moonraker" and "Die Another Day."
 
2021-06-02 1:30:48 PM  
What happens to the comradeship and quality control if there's an Amazonian overlord with analytics parsing every decision? What happens when focus groups report they don't like Bond drinking martinis? Or killing quite so many people? And that English accent's a bit alienating, so could we have more Americans in the story for marketability?


biatch, EON offered the role of James Bond to Burt farking Reynolds to follow Sean Connery.  Go fark yourself with this high an mighty bullshiat.
 
2021-06-02 1:33:16 PM  
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Where's my bloody money
 
2021-06-02 1:36:32 PM  
By screenwriter, they basically mean the guy who hammers out the written script after the story has been broken down and dictated to him by producers, pre-viz guys and (most-importantly) the sponsorship dealmakers. So maybe he should get over himself. James Bond movies do not spring forth from the fevered imaginations of lone creative geniuses.

I like James Bond. I'm excited for the next Bond... it's the first one since Die Another Day to look like it wants to be an actual James Bond movie instead of a 2-hour-long apology for being a James Bond movie. But Mission Impossible has been outbonding Bond pretty much since it's inception a quarter century ago. Frankly, it's worst entry (2, obviously) would be considered a middling-quality Bond film these days.

And if you want something more masculine but stupider, Fast and Furious has you covered.

If you want something leaner and weirder, John Wick exists.

Point being... actually I forgot what my point was I JUST WANNA GO SEE A DAMN MOVIE IN A THEATER
 
2021-06-02 1:36:52 PM  
What happens if a studio screws up a movie? Why, then movie won't be very good. That's it. Nobody's gonna die. Worst case scenario is maybe the movie bombs and they have to course correct like after Pierce Brosnan.
 
2021-06-02 1:39:35 PM  
This guys is worried about artistic integrity and possible corporate interference. For an espionage movie series based on pulp thrillers written by a guy who died almost sixty years ago. Your concern is noted dude but I believe that ship sailed really quite a long time ago.
 
2021-06-02 1:41:46 PM  
Pierce Brosnan's movies were more like Our Man Flint than Bond movies. Craig's been a great Bond with uneven writing. Casino Royale was a strong start. Quantum of Solace suffered from the writer's strike. Skyfall was excellent. I don't even remember what happened in SPECTRE. Hopefully he goes out on a high note.
 
2021-06-02 1:51:20 PM  
Heineken.
 
2021-06-02 1:54:00 PM  
Ragin' Asian:. I don't even remember what happened in SPECTRE.

That's probably for the best.
 
2021-06-02 2:02:40 PM  
Casino Royale was to suck us in. Once sucked in, they proceeded to cock-punch us repeatedly. I fear "No Time to Die" will be a Quantum Cock-Punch.

/and by "we" I mean "people who like non-ass James Bond movies".
 
2021-06-02 2:23:08 PM  

Michael J Faux: By screenwriter, they basically mean the guy who hammers out the written script after the story has been broken down and dictated to him by producers, pre-viz guys and (most-importantly) the sponsorship dealmakers. So maybe he should get over himself. James Bond movies do not spring forth from the fevered imaginations of lone creative geniuses.

I like James Bond. I'm excited for the next Bond... it's the first one since Die Another Day to look like it wants to be an actual James Bond movie instead of a 2-hour-long apology for being a James Bond movie. But Mission Impossible has been outbonding Bond pretty much since it's inception a quarter century ago. Frankly, it's worst entry (2, obviously) would be considered a middling-quality Bond film these days.

And if you want something more masculine but stupider, Fast and Furious has you covered.

If you want something leaner and weirder, John Wick exists.

Point being... actually I forgot what my point was I JUST WANNA GO SEE A DAMN MOVIE IN A THEATER


If you want to see James Bond, but turned to 11, go see Kingman.
 
2021-06-02 2:32:24 PM  
Bond.
James Bond, Prime.
 
2021-06-02 2:41:20 PM  

Michael J Faux: By screenwriter, they basically mean the guy who hammers out the written script after the story has been broken down and dictated to him by producers, pre-viz guys and (most-importantly) the sponsorship dealmakers. So maybe he should get over himself. James Bond movies do not spring forth from the fevered imaginations of lone creative geniuses.

I like James Bond. I'm excited for the next Bond... it's the first one since Die Another Day to look like it wants to be an actual James Bond movie instead of a 2-hour-long apology for being a James Bond movie. But Mission Impossible has been outbonding Bond pretty much since it's inception a quarter century ago. Frankly, it's worst entry (2, obviously) would be considered a middling-quality Bond film these days.

And if you want something more masculine but stupider, Fast and Furious has you covered.

If you want something leaner and weirder, John Wick exists.

Point being... actually I forgot what my point was I JUST WANNA GO SEE A DAMN MOVIE IN A THEATER


Me too. I'm surprised that no one has pushed any blockbuster releases forward now that we're on the tail end of the pandemic. We already missed Memorial Day in the US and theaters are opening with not a lot to fill their multiplexes. Is it that hard to master and ship the digital media for a big movie release?  Did they prepare any of that in March of 2020?
 
2021-06-02 2:46:03 PM  
Sorry, didn't they select a female to take over the 007 role in the next movie?

Yeah, I wouldn't worry about it then.
 
2021-06-02 2:56:36 PM  

shut_it_down: What happens if a studio screws up a movie? Why, then movie won't be very good. That's it. Nobody's gonna die. Worst case scenario is maybe the movie bombs and they have to course correct like after Pierce Brosnan.


If the franchise survived Timothy Dalton, it can survive anything.
 
2021-06-02 3:07:16 PM  

ZMugg: shut_it_down: What happens if a studio screws up a movie? Why, then movie won't be very good. That's it. Nobody's gonna die. Worst case scenario is maybe the movie bombs and they have to course correct like after Pierce Brosnan.

If the franchise survived Timothy Dalton, it can survive anything.


The Living Daylights was horrendous for so many reasons, whether it was casting Mitchell as the villain, sledding in a cello case, or Bond palling around with the Taliban.  However, License to Kill was a perfectly cromulent movie that holds up surprisingly well post-Casino Royale, considering most of the critical reviews for LTK focused on the film's grim storyline and excessive violence.

I'd call his years a wash.
 
2021-06-02 3:13:19 PM  

Outshined_One: ZMugg: shut_it_down: What happens if a studio screws up a movie? Why, then movie won't be very good. That's it. Nobody's gonna die. Worst case scenario is maybe the movie bombs and they have to course correct like after Pierce Brosnan.

If the franchise survived Timothy Dalton, it can survive anything.

The Living Daylights was horrendous for so many reasons, whether it was casting Mitchell as the villain, sledding in a cello case, or Bond palling around with the Taliban.  However, License to Kill was a perfectly cromulent movie that holds up surprisingly well post-Casino Royale, considering most of the critical reviews for LTK focused on the film's grim storyline and excessive violence.

I'd call his years a wash.


Point taken.
 
2021-06-02 3:59:21 PM  
Commercial interests could water down a franchise where even the author of the books was doing ads and product placements before most of them were even in talks to become movies?

I mean, no hate from me here, all of Fleming's work was explicitly and honestly be his own admission commercial fiction with more pulp influences than anything else.  He was the vanilla version of Raymond Chandler for a more family-friendly demographic, very intentionally, and he did an excellent job of being that.  I'm not going to diss a man for finding something he was good at that people want to pay him for and going for it.  I'm just pointing out that taking a position that James Bond is some sort of High Art snobbish property with a great deal of proud dignity that shouldn't be soiled with matters of finance is the stupidest thing any of us will read on the internet all day.
 
2021-06-02 4:07:53 PM  

TeddyRooseveltsMustache: Sorry, didn't they select a female to take over the 007 role in the next movie?

Yeah, I wouldn't worry about it then.


Did they, though? There was a rush of news about it for awhile, but once the trailers started coming out, nothing's being promised other than Bond starring in another outing. I'm starting to wonder if they didn't quietly step back from that plan.

If the movie is supposed to introduce a new lead, she should be prominently featured in the advertising. You want the public to know if you're passing the torch, because that's a hook that might help sell some extra tickets. If they haven't changed their minds, they're seriously bungling the salespitch.
 
2021-06-02 4:24:10 PM  

TeddyRooseveltsMustache: Sorry, didn't they select a female to take over the 007 role in the next movie?

Yeah, I wouldn't worry about it then.


(Brings out whiteboard)

....MGM cast Lashawna Lynch as 007 - but NOT as James Bond - in No Time To Die because (and this isn't a spoiler; they've already told us) James Bond has retired and is living in peace and quiet with Madeline Swann (Lea Seydoux).  Remember, the 00 number gets passed down to different people when the current holder retires/gets whacked.

And IIRC, Barbara Broccoli, who effectively owns the cinematic Bond (all Amazon is buying is the rights to distribute, which MGM owns) has already said that Bond is and will continue to be a white male.  My concerns are some alleged plot points which have leaked in the last year that suggest Bond might be trading in the DB5 for a minivan.

/Still say this one should have been a reboot of OHMSS
 
2021-06-02 4:31:13 PM  

AtlanticCoast63: TeddyRooseveltsMustache: Sorry, didn't they select a female to take over the 007 role in the next movie?

Yeah, I wouldn't worry about it then.

(Brings out whiteboard)

....MGM cast Lashawna Lynch as 007 - but NOT as James Bond - in No Time To Die because (and this isn't a spoiler; they've already told us) James Bond has retired and is living in peace and quiet with Madeline Swann (Lea Seydoux).  Remember, the 00 number gets passed down to different people when the current holder retires/gets whacked.

And IIRC, Barbara Broccoli, who effectively owns the cinematic Bond (all Amazon is buying is the rights to distribute, which MGM owns) has already said that Bond is and will continue to be a white male.  My concerns are some alleged plot points which have leaked in the last year that suggest Bond might be trading in the DB5 for a minivan.

/Still say this one should have been a reboot of OHMSS


He didn't say she was announced to be the new Bond, just the new 007. Which is pretty obvious, since they weren't going to have Daniel Craig shake her hand and say "Good luck, new James, you're me now." Austin Powers had time travel and clones, but the Bond series hasn't gone quite that far off the rails yet.
 
2021-06-02 4:44:59 PM  
I'm a big Bond film fan but, as a number have said here, this series has chased down money-making trends for decades now: blaxploitation, marital arts, sci-fi (for all the fuss about the Fast and Furious series maybe having a space scene, Bond went to space in '79), vigilante revenge killing, Cold War and post-Cold War intrigue, mass media criticism, gritty back to basics spy action, and everything in between.  Can you water down a series that has thrown every movie element into its mix?
 
2021-06-02 4:59:12 PM  

Dr. Opossum: I'm a big Bond film fan but, as a number have said here, this series has chased down money-making trends for decades now: blaxploitation, marital arts, sci-fi (for all the fuss about the Fast and Furious series maybe having a space scene, Bond went to space in '79), vigilante revenge killing, Cold War and post-Cold War intrigue, mass media criticism, gritty back to basics spy action, and everything in between.  Can you water down a series that has thrown every movie element into its mix?


Hehehehe... ."marital arts"

(doesn't make your point any less correct)
 
2021-06-02 5:13:36 PM  

Michael J Faux: Dr. Opossum: I'm a big Bond film fan but, as a number have said here, this series has chased down money-making trends for decades now: blaxploitation, marital arts, sci-fi (for all the fuss about the Fast and Furious series maybe having a space scene, Bond went to space in '79), vigilante revenge killing, Cold War and post-Cold War intrigue, mass media criticism, gritty back to basics spy action, and everything in between.  Can you water down a series that has thrown every movie element into its mix?

Hehehehe... ."marital arts"

(doesn't make your point any less correct)


Well, the series did include Bond getting married as a gimmick too so my typo is not entirely wrong.
 
2021-06-02 5:55:46 PM  

Ragin' Asian: Pierce Brosnan's movies were more like Our Man Flint than Bond movies. Craig's been a great Bond with uneven writing. Casino Royale was a strong start. Quantum of Solace suffered from the writer's strike. Skyfall was excellent. I don't even remember what happened in SPECTRE. Hopefully he goes out on a high note.


I love Quantum of Solace. It's just leaner than the rest. Spectre is the weakest of those 4, I think. It just keeps going on and on and on.
 
2021-06-02 6:09:06 PM  

yakmans_dad: Ragin' Asian: Pierce Brosnan's movies were more like Our Man Flint than Bond movies. Craig's been a great Bond with uneven writing. Casino Royale was a strong start. Quantum of Solace suffered from the writer's strike. Skyfall was excellent. I don't even remember what happened in SPECTRE. Hopefully he goes out on a high note.

I love Quantum of Solace. It's just leaner than the rest. Spectre is the weakest of those 4, I think. It just keeps going on and on and on.


Quantum of Solace's main fault is that it was affected so much by the Writer's Strike.  Watched back-to-back with Casino Royale, though, it's great.

Skyfall, obvious plot contrivances aside, is one of my favorites.  Everyone brings their A-game.

Spectre...not so much.  They tried too hard to do too much, and it bit them in the ass.  The movie works a lot better when it's playing to what Bond in the 2010s should be, and not pandering to those who wanted 1960s silliness in 2015.

I hope No Time To Die is more modern-day Bond and not something that pines for the days of Goldfinger and You Only Live Twice.

/Speaking of Goldfinger...that movie is seriously overrated.  Bond is a complete idiot in it, and the plot moves along almost independent of his actions.
 
2021-06-02 7:09:28 PM  

EdgeRunner: TeddyRooseveltsMustache: Sorry, didn't they select a female to take over the 007 role in the next movie?

Yeah, I wouldn't worry about it then.

Did they, though? There was a rush of news about it for awhile, but once the trailers started coming out, nothing's being promised other than Bond starring in another outing. I'm starting to wonder if they didn't quietly step back from that plan.

If the movie is supposed to introduce a new lead, she should be prominently featured in the advertising. You want the public to know if you're passing the torch, because that's a hook that might help sell some extra tickets. If they haven't changed their minds, they're seriously bungling the salespitch.


IIRC, there was a rush of news about it for a while, then rumours of "negative feedback from test audiences", then rumours of reshoots (although I think the reshoots were to insert *this years* model of various product placement items).
 
2021-06-02 7:15:35 PM  
Just shove it on Prime already so we can catch up on two years of overdue accrimonious deconstruction
 
2021-06-02 8:20:16 PM  

Clutch2013: Quantum of Solace's main fault is that it was affected so much by the Writer's Strike. Watched back-to-back with Casino Royale, though, it's great.


I like to stop Casino Royale when James and Vesper are together in the boat, as a happy ending, and then watch the rest of it and QoS the next day / time I watch a movie
 
2021-06-02 8:33:50 PM  
Amazon took over The Expanse and it was fine.  Invincible, The Boys and Marvelous Ms. Maisel also shows that Amazon is capable of putting together good content on existing and new properties.  It's not like Disney bought the franchise or JJ Abrams is helming upcoming installments.  Bond will be fine.
 
2021-06-02 9:55:29 PM  
Mission impossible:Fallout is the best Bond movie since Casino Royale
 
2021-06-02 10:19:04 PM  

Space Station Wagon: Mission impossible:Fallout is the best Bond movie since Casino Royale


If that's the game then Sicario is the best Bond ever.
 
2021-06-03 12:08:31 AM  

shut_it_down: What happens if a studio screws up a movie? Why, then movie won't be very good. That's it. Nobody's gonna die. Worst case scenario is maybe the movie bombs and they have to course correct like after Pierce Brosnan.


https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti​c​le-2608293/Daniel-Craigs-James-Bond-st​unt-double-jumped-plane-dressed-007-Lo​ndon-2012-died-wing-suit-jump-went-wro​ng-inquest-hears.html

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2021-06-03 12:38:26 AM  

Trocadero: shut_it_down: What happens if a studio screws up a movie? Why, then movie won't be very good. That's it. Nobody's gonna die. Worst case scenario is maybe the movie bombs and they have to course correct like after Pierce Brosnan.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/artic​le-2608293/Daniel-Craigs-James-Bond-st​unt-double-jumped-plane-dressed-007-Lo​ndon-2012-died-wing-suit-jump-went-wro​ng-inquest-hears.html

>.>


I'm not sure if I should be pedantic and ruin the joke, or just let you roll with it.
 
2021-06-03 9:12:18 AM  

Outshined_One: ZMugg: shut_it_down: What happens if a studio screws up a movie? Why, then movie won't be very good. That's it. Nobody's gonna die. Worst case scenario is maybe the movie bombs and they have to course correct like after Pierce Brosnan.

If the franchise survived Timothy Dalton, it can survive anything.

The Living Daylights was horrendous for so many reasons, whether it was casting Mitchell as the villain, sledding in a cello case, or Bond palling around with the Taliban.  However, License to Kill was a perfectly cromulent movie that holds up surprisingly well post-Casino Royale, considering most of the critical reviews for LTK focused on the film's grim storyline and excessive violence.

I'd call his years a wash.


In both cases, Timothy Dalton wasn't what was wrong with those movies.
 
2021-06-03 9:27:50 AM  

Outshined_One: ZMugg: shut_it_down: What happens if a studio screws up a movie? Why, then movie won't be very good. That's it. Nobody's gonna die. Worst case scenario is maybe the movie bombs and they have to course correct like after Pierce Brosnan.

If the franchise survived Timothy Dalton, it can survive anything.

The Living Daylights was horrendous for so many reasons, whether it was casting Mitchell as the villain, sledding in a cello case, or Bond palling around with the Taliban.  However, License to Kill was a perfectly cromulent movie that holds up surprisingly well post-Casino Royale, considering most of the critical reviews for LTK focused on the film's grim storyline and excessive violence.

I'd call his years a wash.


Really? I'm the exact opposite. I enjoyed the hell out of The Living Daylights. Sure, the cello case seen was silly, but the entirety of License to Kill was just cartoonish.

In any case, I prefer to watch Dalton in The Rocketeer.
 
2021-06-03 9:44:35 AM  

TeddyRooseveltsMustache: Sorry, didn't they select a female to take over the 007 role in the next movie?

Yeah, I wouldn't worry about it then.


yakmans_dad: Space Station Wagon: Mission impossible:Fallout is the best Bond movie since Casino Royale

If that's the game then Sicario is the best Bond ever.


If we're gonna reach THAT far, Shawshank Redemption was easily the best episode of Women in Prison.
 
2021-06-03 10:06:05 AM  

Michael J Faux: TeddyRooseveltsMustache: Sorry, didn't they select a female to take over the 007 role in the next movie?

Yeah, I wouldn't worry about it then.

yakmans_dad: Space Station Wagon: Mission impossible:Fallout is the best Bond movie since Casino Royale

If that's the game then Sicario is the best Bond ever.

If we're gonna reach THAT far, Shawshank Redemption was easily the best episode of Women in Prison.



Very Zen.
 
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