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2021-05-31 5:53:41 PM  

hardinparamedic: This thread is proof that at least a good deal of FARK right-wingers never evolved beyond "jesus says it's bad" levels of morality.


Not just the right-wingers, apparently. Some people can't help but let their emotions dictate.
 
2021-05-31 5:53:47 PM  

Murkanen: hardinparamedic: This thread is proof that at least a good deal of FARK right-wingers never evolved beyond "jesus says it's bad" levels of morality.

Jesus wasn't big on state sanctioned murder.  That was more an old testament thing.


I grew up in an evangelical church. They're big on that eye for an eye shiat, while being very low-key on the forgiveness thing.
 
2021-05-31 5:54:41 PM  

jso2897: All I know about him is that incompetent corrections officials allowed him to murder while in their charge, and that some people seem to think that this is an argument that these incompetents should be authorized to take life ritually, deliberately, and at will. Now, I don't think I see the logic, there.


The most recent murder by a UK prisoner - that I know of - was committed by a man serving a very short sentence for threatening behaviour. The logic therefore seems to be that the sentence for threatening behaviour should be death.
 
2021-05-31 5:55:03 PM  

Corn_Fed: State-sponsored murder is still murder. No amount of semantics or rhetorical flourish will ever change that.
Even if today's appeals process were improved 100%, it would still be shiatty and flawed. The death penalty is stupid for a lot of reasons, and is more expensive than life imprisonment. Improving the appeals process would only make it even more expensive.
Your only rationalization for the death penalty is emotionalist blood-lust revenge. Just stupid.


This is why i changed my mind about capital punishment, and I'm not willing to make exceptions. Why do we kill people who kill people, to show that killing people is wrong?

There is no amount of "oops" that can make up for killing someone who is innocent.

Sure, some of these people are monsters.  But we don't have enough moral authority to make the decision to kill them.  Not with our justice system.
 
2021-05-31 5:55:31 PM  

Vlad_the_Inaner: austerity101: Vlad_the_Inaner: austerity101: Vlad_the_Inaner: austerity101: I don't think you know what "retcon" means. Maybe pick up that dictionary you brought along.

Retroactive continuity.  It means change the old story to fit the story the teller wants to tell now

So retcon away

Either you support the state killing innocent people or you don't.

Yet you are deaf to the statements that the the justice system is intended to strive to avoid that. If people supported killing innocent people they say 'more more, screw trials"

Bring the war analogy back into it. its similar to how we're supposed to avoid collateral damage in war

That's the theory.  If the execution is flawed, fix the execution

If you want to avoid it, you abolish it. The death penalty literally does not need to exist. At all. You have not made a good case for keeping it. You are okay with innocent people being killed without justification by the state. That is what you are fighting for.

Since you keep repeating that, when I point out it was done under due process of law, I have to choose whether you are simply lying, or do not believe in law.

/whynotboth.jpg
//if you don't like it, get people elected to change the law.  You'll probably find an obstacle in number people who do not agree with you


Please don't tell us that you think legality = morality. Slavery, women as chattel, and child labor would all like to have a word with you.

/for starters
 
2021-05-31 5:56:08 PM  

Mensch: Do you really believe Ratko Mladic, who killed 8,000 people and now is serving life in prison in the EU does not deserve to be put to death?


Dunno about them, but I do.
 
2021-05-31 5:58:42 PM  
Just a reminder for the "innocent people on death row don't happen" crowd - We found about 90 of them from 2000 to 2021.

Alabama and Arkansas both executed prisoners in 2021 who had exonerating evidence found after their deaths.

Maybe if we can't guarantee not executing innocent people based on how much of a lawyer they can or can't afford, we shouldn't be doing it period.
 
2021-05-31 5:59:45 PM  

austerity101: I'm just at a loss here. I don't get it.

The death penalty:
- potentially kills innocent people
- doesn't improve crime rates

Abolishing the death penalty:
- prevents execution of innocent people
- does not worsen crime rates

How is this even a discussion beyond that? The choice seems obvious to me.


I hate literally everything about the way you've chosen to live your life. But you are 100% correct about this.
 
2021-05-31 6:00:03 PM  

orbister: Mensch: Do you really believe Ratko Mladic, who killed 8,000 people and now is serving life in prison in the EU does not deserve to be put to death?

Dunno about them, but I do.


Pretty sure Ratko Mladic didn't have evidence withheld by a maliciously-oriented prosecutor and wasn't defended by a overworked public defender with 10 other cases being handled at the same time.

Also pretty sure he had overwhelming evidence of a crime against humanity.
 
2021-05-31 6:00:39 PM  

austerity101: I'm just at a loss here. I don't get it.

The death penalty:
- potentially kills innocent people
- doesn't improve crime rates

Abolishing the death penalty:
- prevents execution of innocent people
- does not worsen crime rates

How is this even a discussion beyond that? The choice seems obvious to me.


I don't think the argument needs to go that far. The death penalty is the state killing people. Abolishing the death penalty means that the state stops killing people.

Americans (collectively) are weird. You don't let your government censor your speech, permit your enslavement or quarter troops in your house except in time of war ... but you let your government kill you. Odd.
 
2021-05-31 6:03:25 PM  

thiefofdreams: So you again have not refuted how a gas used to gas the Jews during the Holocaust and now wants to be used by Arizona doesn't have nazi connotations.


Let me help:

Nazis drank water.  Water obviously has nazi connotations.  In fact  HCN and H2O are both a simple three atom molecules.  See a connection!

Hitler was a vegetarian: Vegetarians obviously have nazi connotations

OK gestures have nazi connotations , and ergo always have.

Goodwin's Law was created because people can find nazi connotations with virtually everything when they look hard enough, and I guess that's your hobby now

I don't have to refute anything, because it is so easy to gin up a connotation if you try hard enough.  And you are trying real hard.  I am saying your making the connection is nothing significant because its so easy

/you know who else had nazi connotations?
 
2021-05-31 6:04:05 PM  

Vlad_the_Inaner: thiefofdreams: So you again have not refuted how a gas used to gas the Jews during the Holocaust and now wants to be used by Arizona doesn't have nazi connotations.

Let me help:

Nazis drank water.  Water obviously has nazi connotations.  In fact  HCN and H2O are both a simple three atom molecules.  See a connection!

Hitler was a vegetarian: Vegetarians obviously have nazi connotations

OK gestures have nazi connotations , and ergo always have.

Goodwin's Law was created because people can find nazi connotations with virtually everything when they look hard enough, and I guess that's your hobby now

I don't have to refute anything, because it is so easy to gin up a connotation if you try hard enough.  And you are trying real hard.  I am saying your making the connection is nothing significant because its so easy

/you know who else had nazi connotations?


Appeal to absurdity. Take a lap.
 
2021-05-31 6:06:37 PM  

thiefofdreams: P.a. Being pedantic about what is and is not nazi is pretty telling.


When virtually everything has nazi connations?  pish-posh, its well neigh impossible
 
2021-05-31 6:06:46 PM  
Vlad_the_Inaner:

you know who else had nazi connotations?

The government officials you're white knighting in this thread?
 
2021-05-31 6:09:32 PM  

Vlad_the_Inaner: jso2897: governments to arbitrarily take the lives


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compare: Legal System and Justice System
related: Due Process


Do you think the poor and black get the same treatment from the US legal system as the rich and white? I'm not sure "arbitrarily" is the word, but "capriciously" fits.
 
2021-05-31 6:11:09 PM  

Murkanen: Vlad_the_Inaner:

Says the guy who says states are never justified in  killing

At what point do you feel it is okay for a government to murder its own citizenry?


Its never OK to murder them.  That, among other things, is why we have a justice system with courts and such, to not convict the innocent.

btw, that's another thing about murder.  It involves intent.  Care to prove that the justice system kills innocents with intent?
 
2021-05-31 6:14:29 PM  

hardinparamedic: orbister: Mensch: Do you really believe Ratko Mladic, who killed 8,000 people and now is serving life in prison in the EU does not deserve to be put to death?

Dunno about them, but I do.

Pretty sure Ratko Mladic didn't have evidence withheld by a maliciously-oriented prosecutor and wasn't defended by a overworked public defender with 10 other cases being handled at the same time.

Also pretty sure he had overwhelming evidence of a crime against humanity.


True. And I still don't think he should be put to death, because I don't think anyone should be put to death.
 
2021-05-31 6:16:18 PM  

jso2897: "Tolerating the ritualized murder of potentially innocent people" and "Not having a justice system" would be a very false dichotomy, and far from the only two alternatives available to us.


Except you are the one arguing the false dichotomy.

You keep insisting that until we can prove to your satisfaction that the death penalty can be administered without error, it must be abolished.

Flawless or abolished.

However, you are evidently willing to countenance some amount of error in the justice system, because you're not arguing on behalf of eliminating prison sentences despite knowing that some number of people are wrongly incarcerated every year, and you probably know that some people who were wrongly convicted will die in prison.

You rely on the distinction that if a mistake of incarceration is made, the doors of the prison can swing wide. But you cannot strip people of their freedom, dignity, good reputation, trust and hope, place them in a relentlessly traumatizing living situation, traumatize their family and friends, take away everything important to a person, on the presumption that can be restored.

It cannot. The wrongly taken life of a falsely incarcerated person can no more be restored than the wrongly taken life of an executed person.

You are simply unwilling to give the same grace to the administration of the death penalty that you are to the prison system, while insisting that this moral inconsistency is somehow presumptive evidence of your moral superiority.

I cannot agree.

If you choose to take the position that "the death penalty is murder and all murders are wrong," do that.

But don't insist that all death-penalty proponents are amoral slavering sociopathic monsters merely because you have decided that your willingness to accept some amount of error is somehow morally permissible, but theirs isn't.
 
2021-05-31 6:16:33 PM  

Vlad_the_Inaner: Care to prove that the justice system kills innocents with intent?


You think people are injected, shot, gassed, electrocuted and hanged by accident?
 
2021-05-31 6:18:00 PM  

tekmo: The wrongly taken life of a falsely incarcerated person can no more be restored than the wrongly taken life of an executed person.


If you think imprisonment is just as bad as death, why not kill anyone convicted of any offence, so matter how slight?
 
2021-05-31 6:21:34 PM  

austerity101: I'm just at a loss here. I don't get it.

The death penalty:
- potentially kills innocent people
- doesn't improve crime rates

Abolishing the death penalty:
- prevents execution of innocent people
- does not worsen crime rates

How is this even a discussion beyond that? The choice seems obvious to me.


Retribution is part of the punishment process. Killing someone who killed a family member of mine offers justice and closure. Letting them live and play basketball every day, watch tv and get used to and even enjoy their dinners while they live a long life does not offer the sense of retribution that is required to balance the scales for someone who's left behind after their loved one has been murdered.
 
2021-05-31 6:23:28 PM  

orbister: Vlad_the_Inaner: jso2897: If that fantasy were really the case, wouldn't you balance that against all the lives of all the innocent people not executed if there were no death penalty, as long as we are evaluating things on a Benthamist basis?

First, you are the person insisting on absolute numbers.

S/he has consistently asked for relative, not absolute numbers. How hard would it be for you to say "It would be OK to me if <insert number here> percent of those executed were actually innocent"? It's clearly non-zero, so why not quantify?


The demand was for either absolute numbers or a real ratio as 'price'  with a gimmick that a ratio with a zero in denominator is always greater (better) in magnitude than one with a non-zero number.  Ratios are absolute too in the sense that they are not indefinite probabilities, for the rejected answers.  A definite X and a definite Y where for a ratio X/Y answer was the alternative given.  no abouts.  no less-thans,

Yet when the shoe is on the other foot, then its suddenly ok to guesstimate good vs mistakes
 
2021-05-31 6:25:00 PM  
Vlad_the_Inaner:

Its never OK to murder them.

Then why have you invested so much time defending it?
 
2021-05-31 6:27:30 PM  

austerity101: Wolf892: How about instead of killing people on death row we just remove their eyes when their appeals are up? Let them spend the rest of their lives in darkness in a cell. Never teach them braille, just let them sit in the dark with just their thoughts forever until they die of old age.

"Disability is a punishment that the state should impose" is really, really ableist.


So? Should I feel bad that it's horrifying to lose your sight?
 
2021-05-31 6:28:19 PM  

orbister: Abolishing the death penalty means that the state stops killing people.


Oh, if only that were true.
 
2021-05-31 6:28:22 PM  

Wolf892: austerity101: I'm just at a loss here. I don't get it.

The death penalty:
- potentially kills innocent people
- doesn't improve crime rates

Abolishing the death penalty:
- prevents execution of innocent people
- does not worsen crime rates

How is this even a discussion beyond that? The choice seems obvious to me.

Retribution is part of the punishment process. Killing someone who killed a family member of mine offers justice and closure. Letting them live and play basketball every day, watch tv and get used to and even enjoy their dinners while they live a long life does not offer the sense of retribution that is required to balance the scales for someone who's left behind after their loved one has been murdered.


Exain how "retribution" has a materially positive effect on society and not just on people's push toward vengeance. Right now from your post I'm getting "We need to make sure bad people suffer because they deserve to suffer and we should get to witness it." And that's really f*cking gross.
 
2021-05-31 6:28:54 PM  

Wolf892: austerity101: Wolf892: How about instead of killing people on death row we just remove their eyes when their appeals are up? Let them spend the rest of their lives in darkness in a cell. Never teach them braille, just let them sit in the dark with just their thoughts forever until they die of old age.

"Disability is a punishment that the state should impose" is really, really ableist.

So? Should I feel bad that it's horrifying to lose your sight?


No, you should feel bad that you want it instituted as a form of state-sanctioned violence.
 
2021-05-31 6:29:19 PM  
I mean, Jesus Christ, talk about cruel and unusual punishment.
 
2021-05-31 6:29:49 PM  
Wolf892:

Retribution is part of the punishment process.

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It's not the age of Hammurabi anymore; "eye for an eye" is not supposed to be part of a system that claims to be focused on "justice".
 
2021-05-31 6:31:42 PM  

orbister: tekmo: The wrongly taken life of a falsely incarcerated person can no more be restored than the wrongly taken life of an executed person.

If you think imprisonment is just as bad as death, why not kill anyone convicted of any offence, so matter how slight?


The woosh of my point going over your head must've parted your goddam hair.
 
2021-05-31 6:32:44 PM  
Wolf892:

So? Should I feel bad that it's horrifying to lose your sight?

...Yes?
 
2021-05-31 6:32:51 PM  

Murkanen: hardinparamedic: This thread is proof that at least a good deal of FARK right-wingers never evolved beyond "jesus says it's bad" levels of morality.

Jesus wasn't big on state sanctioned murder.  That was more an old testament thing.


Mr "Sell your cloak and buy a Sword" himself

Mr "Obey the government, for God is the One who has put it there. ... There is no government anywhere that God has not placed in power. So those who refuse to obey the law of the land are refusing to obey God, and punishment will follow." himself

/although I guess you could argue that God doesn't kill people as punishment
//I mean, the Bible is full of both that, and orders  to do that in his name, but I guess you could try arguing it if you really wanted to
 
2021-05-31 6:35:10 PM  

austerity101: Wolf892: austerity101: I'm just at a loss here. I don't get it.

The death penalty:
- potentially kills innocent people
- doesn't improve crime rates

Abolishing the death penalty:
- prevents execution of innocent people
- does not worsen crime rates

How is this even a discussion beyond that? The choice seems obvious to me.

Retribution is part of the punishment process. Killing someone who killed a family member of mine offers justice and closure. Letting them live and play basketball every day, watch tv and get used to and even enjoy their dinners while they live a long life does not offer the sense of retribution that is required to balance the scales for someone who's left behind after their loved one has been murdered.

Exain how "retribution" has a materially positive effect on society and not just on people's push toward vengeance. Right now from your post I'm getting "We need to make sure bad people suffer because they deserve to suffer and we should get to witness it." And that's really f*cking gross.


If killing the person who raped and murdered your child makes you feel better that's all that matters. Here in Canada we have to live with the fact that someone can rape, torture and murder your child and they get to live out the rest of their life punishment free in a prison. Prison isn't a punishment when you grow used to the routine and learn to laugh and love again. Only death can equal the scales in cases like I described. If that's vengeance then so be it.
 
2021-05-31 6:37:07 PM  

austerity101: Wolf892: austerity101: Wolf892: How about instead of killing people on death row we just remove their eyes when their appeals are up? Let them spend the rest of their lives in darkness in a cell. Never teach them braille, just let them sit in the dark with just their thoughts forever until they die of old age.

"Disability is a punishment that the state should impose" is really, really ableist.

So? Should I feel bad that it's horrifying to lose your sight?

No, you should feel bad that you want it instituted as a form of state-sanctioned violence.


Why? It's the perfect middle ground for people who don't want the death penalty. Instead of killing someone just pluck out their eyes and leave them blind in their tiny cells. Let them sit in their darkness and think forever about why they are there. If it turns out they are innocent, remove them from prison, compensate them and give them a really great seeing eye dog.
 
2021-05-31 6:37:30 PM  

Murkanen: Wolf892:

So? Should I feel bad that it's horrifying to lose your sight?

...Yes?


Why?
 
2021-05-31 6:39:01 PM  

Murkanen: Wolf892:

Retribution is part of the punishment process.

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It's not the age of Hammurabi anymore; "eye for an eye" is not supposed to be part of a system that claims to be focused on "justice".


Like it or not retribution is part of the punishment process. Most people who have killed will never do it again. They don't need 25 years or life in bars to teach them that. We keep them locked up for retribution. I'm only arguing that prison doesn't go far enough in certain cases and in those that's where the death penalty comes in.
 
2021-05-31 6:40:23 PM  

Wolf892: If killing the person who raped and murdered your child makes you feel better that's all that matters.


F*cking wow.

I have nothing more to say to you because you're a bloodthirsty monster. Bye.
 
2021-05-31 6:42:12 PM  

austerity101: Wolf892: If killing the person who raped and murdered your child makes you feel better that's all that matters.

F*cking wow.

I have nothing more to say to you because you're a bloodthirsty monster. Bye.


And you lack empathy for the very real people who've lost their loved ones to actual bloodthirsty monsters.
 
2021-05-31 6:43:24 PM  

orbister: jso2897: All I know about him is that incompetent corrections officials allowed him to murder while in their charge, and that some people seem to think that this is an argument that these incompetents should be authorized to take life ritually, deliberately, and at will. Now, I don't think I see the logic, there.

The most recent murder by a UK prisoner - that I know of - was committed by a man serving a very short sentence for threatening behaviour. The logic therefore seems to be that the sentence for threatening behaviour should be death.


Or, and I know this is a radical idea for you, that one guy could be tried for the additional crime he committed.

Hey did you know that in times of war on immanent war, the 13th Protocol of the European Commission on Human Rights allows capital punishment?

Funny on how something supposedly absolute has an exception ready to roll.
 
2021-05-31 6:43:45 PM  

Wolf892: austerity101: Wolf892: austerity101: I'm just at a loss here. I don't get it.

The death penalty:
- potentially kills innocent people
- doesn't improve crime rates

Abolishing the death penalty:
- prevents execution of innocent people
- does not worsen crime rates

How is this even a discussion beyond that? The choice seems obvious to me.

Retribution is part of the punishment process. Killing someone who killed a family member of mine offers justice and closure. Letting them live and play basketball every day, watch tv and get used to and even enjoy their dinners while they live a long life does not offer the sense of retribution that is required to balance the scales for someone who's left behind after their loved one has been murdered.

Exain how "retribution" has a materially positive effect on society and not just on people's push toward vengeance. Right now from your post I'm getting "We need to make sure bad people suffer because they deserve to suffer and we should get to witness it." And that's really f*cking gross.

If killing the person who raped and murdered your child makes you feel better that's all that matters. Here in Canada we have to live with the fact that someone can rape, torture and murder your child and they get to live out the rest of their life punishment free in a prison. Prison isn't a punishment when you grow used to the routine and learn to laugh and love again. Only death can equal the scales in cases like I described. If that's vengeance then so be it.


and when you kill the wrong person? What then?
 
2021-05-31 6:46:58 PM  
Fantasy: we should execute those people who do heinous things like murder children! Have you no heart for their parents?

Reality: the getaway driver who had no hand in the murder is executed while the actual murderer himself spends life in prison for testifying against him.
 
2021-05-31 6:47:45 PM  

KingOfTown: Please don't tell us that you think legality = morality. Slavery, women as chattel, and child labor would all like to have a word with you.


I'm sure that everyone eagerly awaits your distribution of the absolute morality meters so everyone can scientifically test such things.

Until then, we're stuck with laws.  So adjust them if you have issues
 
2021-05-31 6:48:43 PM  

hardinparamedic: Wolf892: austerity101: Wolf892: austerity101: I'm just at a loss here. I don't get it.

The death penalty:
- potentially kills innocent people
- doesn't improve crime rates

Abolishing the death penalty:
- prevents execution of innocent people
- does not worsen crime rates

How is this even a discussion beyond that? The choice seems obvious to me.

Retribution is part of the punishment process. Killing someone who killed a family member of mine offers justice and closure. Letting them live and play basketball every day, watch tv and get used to and even enjoy their dinners while they live a long life does not offer the sense of retribution that is required to balance the scales for someone who's left behind after their loved one has been murdered.

Exain how "retribution" has a materially positive effect on society and not just on people's push toward vengeance. Right now from your post I'm getting "We need to make sure bad people suffer because they deserve to suffer and we should get to witness it." And that's really f*cking gross.

If killing the person who raped and murdered your child makes you feel better that's all that matters. Here in Canada we have to live with the fact that someone can rape, torture and murder your child and they get to live out the rest of their life punishment free in a prison. Prison isn't a punishment when you grow used to the routine and learn to laugh and love again. Only death can equal the scales in cases like I described. If that's vengeance then so be it.

and when you kill the wrong person? What then?


Compensate the family and move on. Life's a little rough and unfair. Wear a helmet.
 
2021-05-31 6:49:46 PM  

hardinparamedic: Fantasy: we should execute those people who do heinous things like murder children! Have you no heart for their parents?

Reality: the getaway driver who had no hand in the murder is executed while the actual murderer himself spends life in prison for testifying against him.


Just to be clear, I'm against that use of the DP.
 
2021-05-31 6:50:42 PM  
Wolf892:

Like it or not retribution is part of the punishment process.

Not in a modern democratic society.
 
2021-05-31 6:52:27 PM  

Murkanen: Vlad_the_Inaner:

you know who else had nazi connotations?

The government officials you're white knighting in this thread?


no

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no wait, that means yes.

But I'm sure not exclusively
 
2021-05-31 6:53:29 PM  

Murkanen: Wolf892:

Like it or not retribution is part of the punishment process.

Not in a modern democratic society.


Wrong. a man looks at his mobile phone while driving. Slams into a school bus and kills three children.
The fact that he killed three kids most likely taught him to never drive distracted again.
His prison sentence is not about reformation, it's about retribution to offer some kind of justice and closure to the victim's families and society as a whole.
 
2021-05-31 6:54:05 PM  
Vlad_the_Inaner:

no

Apparently you don't know much about Arizona's political scene.
 
2021-05-31 6:55:15 PM  

Wolf892: hardinparamedic: Wolf892: austerity101: Wolf892: austerity101: I'm just at a loss here. I don't get it.

The death penalty:
- potentially kills innocent people
- doesn't improve crime rates

Abolishing the death penalty:
- prevents execution of innocent people
- does not worsen crime rates

How is this even a discussion beyond that? The choice seems obvious to me.

Retribution is part of the punishment process. Killing someone who killed a family member of mine offers justice and closure. Letting them live and play basketball every day, watch tv and get used to and even enjoy their dinners while they live a long life does not offer the sense of retribution that is required to balance the scales for someone who's left behind after their loved one has been murdered.

Exain how "retribution" has a materially positive effect on society and not just on people's push toward vengeance. Right now from your post I'm getting "We need to make sure bad people suffer because they deserve to suffer and we should get to witness it." And that's really f*cking gross.

If killing the person who raped and murdered your child makes you feel better that's all that matters. Here in Canada we have to live with the fact that someone can rape, torture and murder your child and they get to live out the rest of their life punishment free in a prison. Prison isn't a punishment when you grow used to the routine and learn to laugh and love again. Only death can equal the scales in cases like I described. If that's vengeance then so be it.

and when you kill the wrong person? What then?

Compensate the family and move on. Life's a little rough and unfair. Wear a helmet.


How many innocent people do you think is acceptable to kill in your pursuit of a justice which is shown in the long run not to bring families peace and will create further hatred and pain? A form of justice which doesn't factually solve anything?

Why do you think the state as a entity should be able to kill innocent people so that one guilty one might not go free?

How much money is an innocent life worth to that family?
 
2021-05-31 6:55:39 PM  
Wolf892:

His prison sentence is not about reformation

Rehabilitation, and yes it is.
 
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