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2021-05-30 9:45:08 PM  
Jesus. Farking. Christ.
 
2021-05-30 11:24:03 PM  
I'm not a fan of the death penalty in any case, but come on... Nitrogen isn't exactly in short supply, and kills with minimal suffering or chance of botched execution. If you're going to do it, why complicate things?

/It's because the suffering is the point
 
2021-05-31 12:04:19 AM  
This was... not what i expected.

Holy shiat.
 
2021-05-31 1:52:30 AM  
Death by cyanide inhalation should very easily meet the threshold of cruel and unusual punishment. You're literally suffocating them at a cellular level while they remain aware and conscious of what is going on around them. It's unimaginable horror and pain. They seize, they bleed, they vomit, they gurgle - it's a brutal death to watch. Quite possibly the only thing I can think of more horrific would be death from massive neutron radiation exposure in a criticality accident, or ricin.

It was so bad that the guards would quit after and at least one warden refused to carry them out when Arizona switched to lethal injection.

It's also incredibly dangerous to the body recovery crew and mortuary/forensic staff after.

This kind of thing belongs left in the 1920s. Not resurrected today.
 
2021-05-31 1:54:37 AM  

ryebread: I'm not a fan of the death penalty in any case, but come on... Nitrogen isn't exactly in short supply, and kills with minimal suffering or chance of botched execution. If you're going to do it, why complicate things?

/It's because the suffering is the point


a prisoner who is aware he is going to be breathing a deadly gas will likely hold their breath. Probably the only way a nitrogen asphyxiation could go off without suffering is under full medical anesthesia like a pentobarbital coma, and medical staff are universally frowned upon being in executions.

We don't even euthanize dogs, cats, or large animals like we execute human beings. A hot shot of heroin or a euthanasia compound of a lethal dose of pentobarbital would be more humane.

Ignoring the fact that the death penalty itself is a loaded idea.
 
2021-05-31 2:35:20 AM  

hardinparamedic: ryebread: I'm not a fan of the death penalty in any case, but come on... Nitrogen isn't exactly in short supply, and kills with minimal suffering or chance of botched execution. If you're going to do it, why complicate things?

/It's because the suffering is the point

a prisoner who is aware he is going to be breathing a deadly gas will likely hold their breath. Probably the only way a nitrogen asphyxiation could go off without suffering is under full medical anesthesia like a pentobarbital coma, and medical staff are universally frowned upon being in executions.

We don't even euthanize dogs, cats, or large animals like we execute human beings. A hot shot of heroin or a euthanasia compound of a lethal dose of pentobarbital would be more humane.

Ignoring the fact that the death penalty itself is a loaded idea.


There was no shortage of medical staff willing to take part in torture, excuse me, "enhanced interrogation" by being on hand to make sure the victims survived to be tortured again.
 
2021-05-31 3:27:38 AM  
For farks sake. . . Even the Onion satire would be better.
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2021-05-31 3:28:46 AM  
The atrocities will not be televised.
 
2021-05-31 3:29:22 AM  
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/has war been declared yet?
 
2021-05-31 3:30:22 AM  
Original Formula or Nu-zyxlon-b?
 
2021-05-31 3:32:04 AM  
It's just for delousing.
 
2021-05-31 3:33:15 AM  
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2021-05-31 3:36:50 AM  
Ooooh! So there's shortly going to be a cheap supply of prussian blue pigment up for grabs? That's wicked awesome!

/what do you mean 'read the room, toshy'?
 
2021-05-31 3:44:45 AM  
That is inhuman.

There are lots of quick and painless ways to die.

The Russians used to tell political to write a letter of apology to Stalin so they would be forgiven, then shoot them in the back of the head as they wrote it.
 
2021-05-31 3:44:56 AM  
One of the first people on death row expected to be executed is 65-year-old Frank Atwood who was convicted of killing a child in 1984.

1984? It's been 37 years and the guy is 65, may as well just let him do life in prison at this point.
 
2021-05-31 3:45:27 AM  
What the actual hell?
 
2021-05-31 3:47:03 AM  

Klyukva: It's just for delousing.


In the sense that lice need a live host.

Plus, the dead don't scratch.
 
2021-05-31 3:47:25 AM  
Oh my God.

What is happening to my country? This is madness, and it's getting worse.
 
2021-05-31 3:49:39 AM  
Well I'll be damned, it looks like we have gone full NAZI.
 
2021-05-31 3:52:19 AM  

hardinparamedic: a prisoner who is aware he is going to be breathing a deadly gas will likely hold their breath. Probably the only way a nitrogen asphyxiation could go off without suffering is under full medical anesthesia


He said "minimal," not absolute zero, and holding a single breath involves rather minimal suffering (and what suffering it does entail is entirely up to the victim, rather than the unavoidable pain of the other methods).
 
2021-05-31 3:52:41 AM  
We need a "4-letter N-word" tag for this state.

Or just a swastika.
 
2021-05-31 3:54:06 AM  
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"Talk to your doctor, and ask him if Zyklon B is right for you..."
 
2021-05-31 3:56:32 AM  

Monkeyfark Ridiculous: hardinparamedic: a prisoner who is aware he is going to be breathing a deadly gas will likely hold their breath. Probably the only way a nitrogen asphyxiation could go off without suffering is under full medical anesthesia

He said "minimal," not absolute zero, and holding a single breath involves rather minimal suffering (and what suffering it does entail is entirely up to the victim, rather than the unavoidable pain of the other methods).


have you ever actually witnessed a death from asphyxia?

I have.

The way those people act when they die is the reason they give a paralytic during lethal injection before giving the potassium. It's to mask the agony and agonal throes of dying and give the impression we're putting them to sleep.

It's the reason why the press has openly been critical of watching someone take 35 minutes to die suffocating when they just use massive doses of opiates or anesthetics with cardiac effects.

The death penalty In the United States is not about justice, and it's definitely not about humanely ending life. It is all about blood atonement for their crimes.
 
2021-05-31 3:58:35 AM  
Also, the reason they instruct the condemned to take a deep breath when the gas hits his face it's because it results in the perception of loss of consciousness. Hydrogen Cyanide does not just absorb to the respiratory system, it also absorbs to the skin and mucous membranes and has a horrific effect as it slowly builds up rather than as it reaches a lethal concentration all at once through the lungs.

Nearly everyone recorded has held their breath. And the results are horrific and cruel.
 
2021-05-31 3:58:41 AM  
Zyklon B was a pesticide that contained Hydrogen Cyanide, this is just straight up Hydrogen Cyanide they're using.

It's not Zyklon B so quit calling it that, but do keep pointing out the cruelty.
 
2021-05-31 3:59:14 AM  
Have fun getting sued back to the farking dark ages, Arizona... I literally cannot see a defense attorney letting this slide even slightly.
 
2021-05-31 3:59:51 AM  

fragMasterFlash: The atrocities will not be televised.


Was going to say. If the state feels free to execute prisoners the process should be mandated to be published. Deterrence and all.
 
2021-05-31 4:01:16 AM  

crumblecat: That is inhuman.

There are lots of quick and painless ways to die.

The Russians used to tell political to write a letter of apology to Stalin so they would be forgiven, then shoot them in the back of the head as they wrote it.


There was a scene in "The Americans" with a similar concept. I don't remember exactly, but the woman was being interrogated and another officer just walked up and shot her in the back of the head mid sentence.
 
2021-05-31 4:04:16 AM  

hardinparamedic: a prisoner who is aware he is going to be breathing a deadly gas will likely hold their breath. Probably the only way a nitrogen asphyxiation could go off without suffering is under full medical anesthesia like a pentobarbital coma, and medical staff are universally frowned upon being in executions.

We don't even euthanize dogs, cats, or large animals like we execute human beings. A hot shot of heroin or a euthanasia compound of a lethal dose of pentobarbital would be more humane.

Ignoring the fact that the death penalty itself is a loaded idea.


I doubt there's much you can do about the mental suffering of knowing you're going to die, but physically, nitrogen asphyxiation wouldn't be too difficult to do. Nonrebreather mask on room air, switched to nitrogen in a way the condemned can't see.

Hotshots of opiates and pentobarbital have been done. Joseph Wood needed 15 doses of midazolam\hydromorphone before he expired, and autopsy has shown a possibility of suffering in pentobarbital only lethal injections.
 
2021-05-31 4:06:08 AM  

IsThatYourFinalAnswer: hardinparamedic: a prisoner who is aware he is going to be breathing a deadly gas will likely hold their breath. Probably the only way a nitrogen asphyxiation could go off without suffering is under full medical anesthesia like a pentobarbital coma, and medical staff are universally frowned upon being in executions.

We don't even euthanize dogs, cats, or large animals like we execute human beings. A hot shot of heroin or a euthanasia compound of a lethal dose of pentobarbital would be more humane.

Ignoring the fact that the death penalty itself is a loaded idea.

I doubt there's much you can do about the mental suffering of knowing you're going to die, but physically, nitrogen asphyxiation wouldn't be too difficult to do. Nonrebreather mask on room air, switched to nitrogen in a way the condemned can't see.

Hotshots of opiates and pentobarbital have been done. Joseph Wood needed 15 doses of midazolam\hydromorphone before he expired, and autopsy has shown a possibility of suffering in pentobarbital only lethal injections.


Heroin has been openly advocated as a way to end life euphorically, especially in those who have never had it.

If we've got to euthanize human beings for being "bad", there are better ways of doing it. Not strapping contraptions to them and suffocating them.
 
2021-05-31 4:06:14 AM  

ReapTheChaos: One of the first people on death row expected to be executed is 65-year-old Frank Atwood who was convicted of killing a child in 1984.

1984? It's been 37 years and the guy is 65, may as well just let him do life in prison at this point.


Murdered an 8 year old girl while on parole for sexual assault of an 8 year old boy? I'm not a death penalty proponent, but I can make exceptions.
 
2021-05-31 4:06:38 AM  
This is exactly why they were so desperate to stack the Supreme Court with far right wingers.

There is no doubt whatsoever that this horrible action meets the Constitutional definition of cruel and unusual punishment.

This kind of thing is a lawsuit magnet. Most people would be extremely unhappy if they found out someone was suing them. The Republicans not only enjoy when this happens, they are practically begging for it to happen.

Because there are so many outrages committed by lower level Republican officials, there are many, many lawsuits against them. With all the judge stacking they have been doing, it is inevitable that with appeals and counter appeals some of these lawsuits move higher and higher in America's court system until they are heard by the Supremes.

And that is when the Republican puppetmasters cream their jeans. That is when, because of their Supreme Court manipulations, there is a VERY good chance that the final decision by the top judges in the land will be:

"Yes, we know that many Americans, possibly even the majority of Americans will find our ruling a disgusting travesty that will annihilate the capacity for ordinary citizens to be treated decently and fairly. But guess what? We don't give a crap about your feelings, this is the law of the land now. So suck it up, peons, and accept your fate- we are your masters and don't you EVER forget it!"
 
2021-05-31 4:08:24 AM  

IsThatYourFinalAnswer: hardinparamedic: a prisoner who is aware he is going to be breathing a deadly gas will likely hold their breath. Probably the only way a nitrogen asphyxiation could go off without suffering is under full medical anesthesia like a pentobarbital coma, and medical staff are universally frowned upon being in executions.

We don't even euthanize dogs, cats, or large animals like we execute human beings. A hot shot of heroin or a euthanasia compound of a lethal dose of pentobarbital would be more humane.

Ignoring the fact that the death penalty itself is a loaded idea.

I doubt there's much you can do about the mental suffering of knowing you're going to die, but physically, nitrogen asphyxiation wouldn't be too difficult to do. Nonrebreather mask on room air, switched to nitrogen in a way the condemned can't see.

Hotshots of opiates and pentobarbital have been done. Joseph Wood needed 15 doses of midazolam\hydromorphone before he expired, and autopsy has shown a possibility of suffering in pentobarbital only lethal injections.


the proposal for nitrogen asphyxiation includes strapping an anesthesia mask similar to that of a supplied air respirator to the person and then rapidly switching from
Oxygen to nitrogen.
 
2021-05-31 4:08:29 AM  
Well, those are some poor optics, yeah?
 
2021-05-31 4:10:23 AM  

ryebread: I'm not a fan of the death penalty in any case, but come on... Nitrogen isn't exactly in short supply, and kills with minimal suffering or chance of botched execution. If you're going to do it, why complicate things?



Oxygen deprivation is far too painless, the perp won't even realize it has happened.

Takes all the fun out of it for the families of the victims and the legal system.
 
2021-05-31 4:11:04 AM  
The nazis used bullets too but a majority of Americans favour the second amendment. I'm not in favour of zyklon B but the nazi connotations are not at the top of my list of reasons why that's the case.

The death penalty is the problem. Every method the US has ever tried has been cruel and unusual in my book. Getting hung up on "but nazis" at this point is really missing the obvious.
 
2021-05-31 4:11:05 AM  

hardinparamedic: Monkeyfark Ridiculous: hardinparamedic: a prisoner who is aware he is going to be breathing a deadly gas will likely hold their breath. Probably the only way a nitrogen asphyxiation could go off without suffering is under full medical anesthesia

He said "minimal," not absolute zero, and holding a single breath involves rather minimal suffering (and what suffering it does entail is entirely up to the victim, rather than the unavoidable pain of the other methods).

have you ever actually witnessed a death from asphyxia?

I have.

The way those people act when they die is the reason they give a paralytic during lethal injection before giving the potassium. It's to mask the agony and agonal throes of dying and give the impression we're putting them to sleep.

It's the reason why the press has openly been critical of watching someone take 35 minutes to die suffocating when they just use massive doses of opiates or anesthetics with cardiac effects.

The death penalty In the United States is not about justice, and it's definitely not about humanely ending life. It is all about blood atonement for their crimes.


You obviously doesn't know what death by nitrogen looks like.  It's incredibly dangerous when used in industrial settings precisely because you don't exhibit any ill effects until you simply drop dead, aside from tiredness or confusion right at the end, so it can kill a bunch of people without any alarm being raised.  Your body has no warning system for a lack of oxygen or too much nitrogen, only for an excess of carbon dioxide in the blood.  One of the quirks of evolution.

Since air is already 78% nitrogen, your body doesn't see anything wrong with it, it doesn't raise any foreign chemical red flags that might cause autonomic responses like coughing or choking, so you happily breathe it in, and still expel what carbon dioxide is still in you, so no feeling like you're running out of air or anything.  One second you're fine, the next you're dead.
 
2021-05-31 4:14:32 AM  

Iczer: Have fun getting sued back to the farking dark ages, Arizona... I literally cannot see a defense attorney letting this slide even slightly.


Sued for what? The SCROTUS will say "There was due process, and the Eighth Amendment doesn't apply."
 
2021-05-31 4:15:09 AM  

Do you know the way to Mordor: This is exactly why they were so desperate to stack the Supreme Court with far right wingers.

There is no doubt whatsoever that this horrible action meets the Constitutional definition of cruel and unusual punishment.

This kind of thing is a lawsuit magnet. Most people would be extremely unhappy if they found out someone was suing them. The Republicans not only enjoy when this happens, they are practically begging for it to happen.

Because there are so many outrages committed by lower level Republican officials, there are many, many lawsuits against them. With all the judge stacking they have been doing, it is inevitable that with appeals and counter appeals some of these lawsuits move higher and higher in America's court system until they are heard by the Supremes.

And that is when the Republican puppetmasters cream their jeans. That is when, because of their Supreme Court manipulations, there is a VERY good chance that the final decision by the top judges in the land will be:

"Yes, we know that many Americans, possibly even the majority of Americans will find our ruling a disgusting travesty that will annihilate the capacity for ordinary citizens to be treated decently and fairly. But guess what? We don't give a crap about your feelings, this is the law of the land now. So suck it up, peons, and accept your fate- we are your masters and don't you EVER forget it!"


We really need a country wide general strike. That's honestly the only nonviolent thing I can think of that could possibly start fixing all this and I can't see enough Americans coming around to that idea then actually doing it.

Anyway, any Farkers in relatively sane countries want to put up a refugee or dozen?
 
2021-05-31 4:15:16 AM  

LrdPhoenix: You obviously doesn't know


Well, that will teach me to type at 4am.
 
2021-05-31 4:16:26 AM  

Inebriated Bolshevik Muppet: Zyklon B was a pesticide that contained Hydrogen Cyanide, this is just straight up Hydrogen Cyanide they're using.

It's not Zyklon B so quit calling it that, but do keep pointing out the cruelty.


So they omitted the cautionary eye irritant and didn't use diatomaceous earth to absorb it. The end result is the same, death by hydrogen cyanide gas.

Memorial Day: the day we remember those who fought against the Nazis. What would they think of the fact that their country is becoming what they fought?
 
2021-05-31 4:24:51 AM  

hardinparamedic: Monkeyfark Ridiculous: hardinparamedic: a prisoner who is aware he is going to be breathing a deadly gas will likely hold their breath. Probably the only way a nitrogen asphyxiation could go off without suffering is under full medical anesthesia

He said "minimal," not absolute zero, and holding a single breath involves rather minimal suffering (and what suffering it does entail is entirely up to the victim, rather than the unavoidable pain of the other methods).

have you ever actually witnessed a death from asphyxia?

I have.

The way those people act when they die is the reason they give a paralytic during lethal injection before giving the potassium. It's to mask the agony and agonal throes of dying and give the impression we're putting them to sleep.

It's the reason why the press has openly been critical of watching someone take 35 minutes to die suffocating when they just use massive doses of opiates or anesthetics with cardiac effects.

The death penalty In the United States is not about justice, and it's definitely not about humanely ending life. It is all about blood atonement for their crimes.



I'm not in favor of the death penalty and I'm not recommending poisoning. I'm saying that freely breathing a pure inert gas leads rapidly to unconsciousness without great suffering and is therefore a preferable alternative to the typical methods.
 
2021-05-31 4:25:58 AM  

ryebread: I'm not a fan of the death penalty in any case, but come on... Nitrogen isn't exactly in short supply, and kills with minimal suffering or chance of botched execution. If you're going to do it, why complicate things?

/It's because the suffering is the point


Since they have a gas chamber, just put in a coal grill?

It really does seem like they're trying to be as special and complicated as possibly as if to hide the fact that they're not murdering people.
 
2021-05-31 4:28:23 AM  
Nitrogen or Fentanyl would be better and less dangerous to the guards.
 
2021-05-31 4:28:28 AM  

Boojum2k: For farks sake. . . Even the Onion satire would be better.
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Well, the French were also murdering people.

But they but the science into doing it as humane as possible.
 
2021-05-31 4:29:49 AM  

hardinparamedic: Heroin has been openly advocated as a way to end life euphorically, especially in those who have never had it.

If we've got to euthanize human beings for being "bad", there are better ways of doing it. Not strapping contraptions to them and suffocating them.


The main problem with opiate based lethal injections is time.  As a society, we don't want our execution to take a lot of time and be "messy". Opiate ODs, as we both know, can take a good minute to kill, and involve gasping, snorting, agonal respiration, aspiration of vomitus...

Hence the three drug cocktail. That Pancuronium or succ just makes the person look like they're quietly going to sleep.

If we wanted actual painless execution, we'd do something that involved massively physical destruction of the brain faster than nerve impulses travel. That would be again messy, and unacceptable to the populace.
 
2021-05-31 4:30:33 AM  
I've said this before, I'm against the death penalty (in about 99% of cases) but if you're gonna do it, just stick them in a hyperbaric chamber and suck all the air out.
 
2021-05-31 4:30:59 AM  

ReapTheChaos: One of the first people on death row expected to be executed is 65-year-old Frank Atwood who was convicted of killing a child in 1984.

1984? It's been 37 years and the guy is 65, may as well just let him do life in prison at this point.


Or let him out?
 
2021-05-31 4:33:13 AM  

Monkeyfark Ridiculous: hardinparamedic: a prisoner who is aware he is going to be breathing a deadly gas will likely hold their breath. Probably the only way a nitrogen asphyxiation could go off without suffering is under full medical anesthesia

He said "minimal," not absolute zero, and holding a single breath involves rather minimal suffering (and what suffering it does entail is entirely up to the victim, rather than the unavoidable pain of the other methods).


Oh, you're saying it's the victims own fault if they're tortured before they're murdered.

People like you exist, just a reminder to everyone. People like you exist.
 
2021-05-31 4:33:16 AM  
GOP gonna GOP.
 
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