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2021-05-28 6:11:35 AM  
Wow. That's some hate right there. Josh Trank must be livid after hearing about this.

Also, Kate Mara is still hot.

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2021-05-28 6:13:34 AM  

FatherChaos: Wow. That's some hate right there. Josh Trank must be livid after hearing about this.

Also, Kate Mara is still hot.

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I have seen the movie. The hate is well deserved.
 
2021-05-28 6:48:23 AM  

batlock666: FatherChaos: Wow. That's some hate right there. Josh Trank must be livid after hearing about this.

Also, Kate Mara is still hot.

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I have seen the movie. The hate is well deserved.


Yeah, that was a special kind of awful.  It was so bad Marvel just iced the entire franchise and kept it there while the smell of that movie slowly dissipates.
 
2021-05-28 7:33:28 AM  
FTFA: Punisher Vol. 10 #12 and Marvel's fleeting Inhumans push proves that companies can be just as vindictive and petty as individuals.

No, it's just another reminder that Perlmutter is and always has been petty and vindictive.
 
2021-05-28 8:00:43 AM  

Neondistraction: batlock666: FatherChaos: Wow. That's some hate right there. Josh Trank must be livid after hearing about this.

Also, Kate Mara is still hot.

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I have seen the movie. The hate is well deserved.

Yeah, that was a special kind of awful.  It was so bad Marvel just iced the entire franchise and kept it there while the smell of that movie slowly dissipates.


They relaunched the FF around 2 years ago.
 
2021-05-28 8:43:15 AM  
I tried 3 times to finish the movie. I just couldn't. It physically made me sick.
 
2021-05-28 9:13:37 AM  
How do I know the movie was bad?  My wife didn't insist we see it and she has almost every Marvel movie on disk.  She even sat through BvS to see WW at the end.
 
2021-05-28 9:34:21 AM  
The actors weren't the problem.
 
2021-05-28 9:40:25 AM  
I don't know much about the comic except they farked up Dr. Doom in both movies.
 
2021-05-28 9:41:19 AM  

natazha: How do I know the movie was bad?  My wife didn't insist we see it and she has almost every Marvel movie on disk.  She even sat through BvS to see WW at the end.


BvS was a pretty bad Marvel movie.
 
2021-05-28 9:45:27 AM  

batlock666: FatherChaos: Wow. That's some hate right there. Josh Trank must be livid after hearing about this.

Also, Kate Mara is still hot.

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I have seen the movie. The hate is well deserved.


I had the misfortune of seeing it in a theater with a friend.  I'm a passive Marvel follower, and he's a major Doctor Doom guy.  I'm pretty sure we were both considering a lawsuit for false advertisement over their version of Doom.

/ Seriously... he was more like an off-brand Galactus, and they still couldn't get THAT right.
 
2021-05-28 10:27:09 AM  
Fox did almost nothing of value with the Marvel characters. The exceptions were Deadpool 1 & 2, and Logan.

Foxtastic Four always sucked.

FoX-Men always sucked.

FoX-Men First Class sucked, too. They totally messed up characters, timelines, backgrounds, powers, etc. It was an insult to X-Men comic book fans. Maybe the people who only knew them from the 90s cartoon liked it, but they were already used to a butchered story and farked-up characters.

I can't wait to see what Marvel does with the FF and X-Men. I know anything they do will make Fox's efforts look like amateur writer/director hour.
 
2021-05-28 10:42:09 AM  
The documentary DOOMED: etc...., about the Corman Fantastic Four, is pretty interesting (and also, that's still [sadly] the best-looking screen version of The Thing so far...)
 
2021-05-28 10:59:27 AM  
Fantastic Four and X-Men got to moved to the back once Marvel's movies started picking up steam. No point giving plotlines and development to characters when you can't make a movie out of it later. Better to test run new characters and ideas you do own the rights to in the comics and if they prove popular move them over to the MCU for a couple hundred million in profit.
 
2021-05-28 11:15:04 AM  

WilderKWight: FoX-Men always sucked.


X2 was one of the best superhero movies, at the time.
 
2021-05-28 11:20:42 AM  

FatherChaos: Wow. That's some hate right there. Josh Trank must be livid after hearing about this.

Also, Kate Mara is still hot.

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Fortunately she was in space rescuing Matt Damon from Mars and escaped harm.
 
2021-05-28 11:21:16 AM  

Michael J Faux: The documentary DOOMED: etc...., about the Corman Fantastic Four, is pretty interesting (and also, that's still [sadly] the best-looking screen version of The Thing so far...)


Yeah they did it only to keep the rights but then they never did anything with them.
 
2021-05-28 11:46:07 AM  
Is it time for Trank to get weirdly defensive of what by all accounts was a resounding turd again?
 
2021-05-28 11:48:47 AM  
In order to make a great FF4 movie, you only need to get one of the characters correct.

No one gives a shiat about Mr. Fantastic.
 
2021-05-28 12:03:28 PM  

HugeMistake: FTFA: Punisher Vol. 10 #12 and Marvel's fleeting Inhumans push proves that companies can be just as vindictive and petty as individuals.

No, it's just another reminder that Perlmutter is and always has been petty and vindictive.


Well he is one of the guys who led the charge that lead to him basically controlling Marvel due to the bankruptcy. Oh and he helped kill Coleco.
 
2021-05-28 12:08:25 PM  
Like 3/4 of that page was just color graded photographs. And it was all in service of pointless self-reference. People pay money for this sort of thing?
 
2021-05-28 12:15:38 PM  

skyotter: WilderKWight: FoX-Men always sucked.

X2 was one of the best superhero movies, at the time.


Yeah, well treating cancer by drilling holes in people's heads in the 1700s was the one of the best treatments, at the time.

'Doesn't mean it was good by any means. The only good thing about X2 was Alan Cumming as the (non-fuzzy, tattooed, poorly utilized) Nightcrawler, who they then promptly forgot about and removed from the series as if he never existed in the first place. And he was still stuck acting against Halle Berry's phoned-in "I'm reduced to playing a comic character" version of Storm, which sort of canceled everything out. In the end, Nightcrawler's sole purpose for being in the movie was to teleport them in and out of the complex and then STFU and GTFO so Halle Berry could have more screen time.
 
2021-05-28 12:22:59 PM  
It's one of the few movies I've watched on an airplane where the fact that the engines overwhelmed the dialog actually improved it.
 
2021-05-28 12:33:38 PM  

LeftisRightisWrong: Is it time for Trank to get weirdly defensive of what by all accounts was a resounding turd again?


According to his side of things, the movie we saw wasn't his movie. He made one movie and the studio chopped it up and reshot large portions of it to make an entirely different movie. He was an idiot to get as upset as he did, because he should've known when he signed on to a major studio that it was never "his" movie. But as an artist I can understand how it would feel to not only have your work butchered but to also have to take the blame for the butchered product you had no hand in.
 
2021-05-28 12:58:37 PM  

WhippingBoi: In order to make a great FF4 movie, you only need to get one of the characters correct.

No one gives a shiat about Mr. Fantastic.


Go away, Perlmutter.
 
2021-05-28 1:31:32 PM  

FatherChaos: Wow. That's some hate right there. Josh Trank must be livid after hearing about this.

Also, Kate Mara is still hot.

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Yup, that's not going to change any time soon (if ever).

With that cast that movie SHOULD have worked.  Jordan and Mara are excellent actors, but they just can't seem to get that set of characters done well in a movie...unless it's The Incredibles. ;)
 
2021-05-28 1:55:08 PM  

WhippingBoi: In order to make a great FF4 movie, you only need to get one of the characters correct.

No one gives a shiat about Mr. Fantastic.


Seriously, the gamut of villains they have can each easily carry a film provided you get the baddie done right - Doom, Galactus, Annihilus, Molecule Man, the Beyonder (not to be confused with the Beyonders) etc are all capable of delivering in a big way.
 
2021-05-28 2:07:53 PM  
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2021-05-28 4:47:28 PM  
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2021-05-28 5:02:28 PM  
The Inhumans suck.
 
2021-05-28 5:03:35 PM  

Michael J Faux: The documentary DOOMED: etc...., about the Corman Fantastic Four, is pretty interesting (and also, that's still [sadly] the best-looking screen version of The Thing so far...)


Corman's F4 is not too hard to find and honestly it's not that bad, it's the closest any of the films have been to the comic. It's still not good but it's kinda amazing that it's the one considered so bad it shouldn't be released.
 
2021-05-28 5:45:04 PM  
A movie so bad my dvd player force ably ejected it without warning.
 
2021-05-28 6:05:08 PM  

EqualOpportunityEnslaver: WhippingBoi: In order to make a great FF4 movie, you only need to get one of the characters correct.

No one gives a shiat about Mr. Fantastic.

Seriously, the gamut of villains they have can each easily carry a film provided you get the baddie done right - Doom, Galactus, Annihilus, Molecule Man, the Beyonder (not to be confused with the Beyonders) etc are all capable of delivering in a big way.


And yet, they still can't manage to get Doctor Doom right.

/ ...and Doom grows tired of this constant defamation to the point he doesn't blame Richards for this one.
 
2021-05-28 6:07:40 PM  

Night Train to Wakanda: The Inhumans suck.


The "movie" and series did.   Didn't have to but sure did.
 
2021-05-28 6:09:39 PM  

DrunkenGator: EqualOpportunityEnslaver: WhippingBoi: In order to make a great FF4 movie, you only need to get one of the characters correct.

No one gives a shiat about Mr. Fantastic.

Seriously, the gamut of villains they have can each easily carry a film provided you get the baddie done right - Doom, Galactus, Annihilus, Molecule Man, the Beyonder (not to be confused with the Beyonders) etc are all capable of delivering in a big way.

And yet, they still can't manage to get Doctor Doom right.

/ ...and Doom grows tired of this constant defamation to the point he doesn't blame Richards for this one.


Doom witnessed the fall of Sokovia and has been compelled by duty to reestablish it under its historical name.
 
2021-05-28 6:14:38 PM  
I was a big FF fan for decades.
Now they got the kids in the comic on a regular basis and don't like it.
The girl who's smarter than her dad and Doctor Doom combined.
And the boy, that when the plot calls for it is the most powerful being in the multiverse.
No Thanks.
 
2021-05-28 6:21:10 PM  

Weird Hal: DrunkenGator: EqualOpportunityEnslaver: WhippingBoi: In order to make a great FF4 movie, you only need to get one of the characters correct.

No one gives a shiat about Mr. Fantastic.

Seriously, the gamut of villains they have can each easily carry a film provided you get the baddie done right - Doom, Galactus, Annihilus, Molecule Man, the Beyonder (not to be confused with the Beyonders) etc are all capable of delivering in a big way.

And yet, they still can't manage to get Doctor Doom right.

/ ...and Doom grows tired of this constant defamation to the point he doesn't blame Richards for this one.

Doom witnessed the fall of Sokovia and has been compelled by duty to reestablish it under its historical name.


I was totally waiting for that serum lab to blow up and turn Zemo into Doom.
 
2021-05-28 6:37:36 PM  

Trik: I was a big FF fan for decades.
Now they got the kids in the comic on a regular basis and don't like it.
The girl who's smarter than her dad and Doctor Doom combined.
And the boy, that when the plot calls for it is the most powerful being in the multiverse.
No Thanks.


Oh my God... that sounds horrible. (It's been years since I read a contemporary FF4 comic).
 
2021-05-28 7:07:38 PM  

Trik: I was a big FF fan for decades.
Now they got the kids in the comic on a regular basis and don't like it.
The girl who's smarter than her dad and Doctor Doom combined.
And the boy, that when the plot calls for it is the most powerful being in the multiverse.
No Thanks.


Valeria is great. She doesn't have any superpowers and is exactly as moral as Reed and Doom (which is to say, not at all). She's utterly ruthless, but, thanks to Sue, Alicia, and Ben, she actually is on the side of the angels. Most of the time.

As to Franklin, I hate that they have nerfed his power. He should be involved in cosmic struggles.
 
2021-05-28 7:37:16 PM  

luidprand: As to Franklin, I hate that they have nerfed his power. He should be involved in cosmic struggles.


He will be that powerful again when the plot calls for it.
Everyone would need a rest after recreating the multiverse. Or making a brand new one. Whichever it was.
 
2021-05-28 7:55:28 PM  
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2021-05-28 8:02:12 PM  

Lumbar Puncture: Michael J Faux: The documentary DOOMED: etc...., about the Corman Fantastic Four, is pretty interesting (and also, that's still [sadly] the best-looking screen version of The Thing so far...)

Corman's F4 is not too hard to find and honestly it's not that bad, it's the closest any of the films have been to the comic. It's still not good but it's kinda amazing that it's the one considered so bad it shouldn't be released.


It was made to keep licensing rights, and only that.  Good or bad, it was never going to be released.
 
2021-05-28 8:17:03 PM  

OkieDookie: It was made to keep licensing rights, and only that.  Good or bad, it was never going to be released.


Yeah, I already said that. Except they didn't do anything with the licensing rights.
 
2021-05-28 8:48:37 PM  

OkieDookie: Lumbar Puncture: Michael J Faux: The documentary DOOMED: etc...., about the Corman Fantastic Four, is pretty interesting (and also, that's still [sadly] the best-looking screen version of The Thing so far...)

Corman's F4 is not too hard to find and honestly it's not that bad, it's the closest any of the films have been to the comic. It's still not good but it's kinda amazing that it's the one considered so bad it shouldn't be released.

It was made to keep licensing rights, and only that.  Good or bad, it was never going to be released.


Yeah, my point was it is still the best F4 movie even with that caveat
 
2021-05-28 9:29:38 PM  

WilderKWight: Fox did almost nothing of value with the Marvel characters. The exceptions were Deadpool 1 & 2, and Logan.

Foxtastic Four always sucked.

FoX-Men always sucked.

FoX-Men First Class sucked, too. They totally messed up characters, timelines, backgrounds, powers, etc. It was an insult to X-Men comic book fans. Maybe the people who only knew them from the 90s cartoon liked it, but they were already used to a butchered story and farked-up characters.

I can't wait to see what Marvel does with the FF and X-Men. I know anything they do will make Fox's efforts look like amateur writer/director hour.


I expect Marvel's X-Men to lean heavily into the 80s/90s teams/stories. And because this is the Internet and I'm waiting to pick up my kid from her first job, I'm going to tell you why.

Rogue. She was the Mary Sue audience guide to this new mutant world and made a big impression on people. But the version Fox out out was essentially Rogue from before she depowered Ms. Marvel, an early version, tentative and rarely effective with her power. The 80s/90s Rogue has a different powerset (flight, invulnerable and superstrength) than just the power vampire of early issues. This is a very different character and not just because of Carol Danvers influence.

So, Marvel has to incorporate mutants as something the whole world hates and fears, within a world where the MCU has happened. At the same time, Endgame has overpowered Scarlet Witch and Captain Marvel to the point of being unrelatable in the MCU power scale. So kill 2 birds with 1 stone:  the new Disney Rogue character will depower Carol in public to establish why mutants should be terrifying. It is comics accurate, opens the door to a new, tried and true version of Rogue to hang their team around AND would be able to be done about the time a Captain Maevel 3 would be up - make that movie a backdoor X-Men movie a la Ragnarok and Hulk AND you can gracefully exit Brie Larson for the next phase.


The only other option is to drop Rogue entirely and use a real Kitty Pryde as the new viewpoint and go 70s/80s pre-Australia, small school. Look at the Prude of the X-Men cartoon for an idea of how the team would go.

Both are very interesting to me as an obvious X nerd. My 15 and 13 yr olds grew up with the MCU. I look forward to my 5 yr old growing up with FF and X-Men.

Thanks for coming to my TED Talk. Here's some machine embroidery designs I made.

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2021-05-28 9:48:07 PM  

TelemonianAjax: you can gracefully exit Brie Larson for the next phase.


Usually a nap, or a snack.
 
2021-05-28 10:06:12 PM  

Esroc: LeftisRightisWrong: Is it time for Trank to get weirdly defensive of what by all accounts was a resounding turd again?

According to his side of things, the movie we saw wasn't his movie. He made one movie and the studio chopped it up and reshot large portions of it to make an entirely different movie. He was an idiot to get as upset as he did, because he should've known when he signed on to a major studio that it was never "his" movie. But as an artist I can understand how it would feel to not only have your work butchered but to also have to take the blame for the butchered product you had no hand in.


This is true. They reshot over 30% of the film and completely cut a lot of things out, the fantasticar being one of them.

I'm not claiming it would have been a good movie, but what was shot originally was considerably different from the released product.
 
2021-05-28 10:30:21 PM  

TelemonianAjax: WilderKWight: Fox did almost nothing of value with the Marvel characters. The exceptions were Deadpool 1 & 2, and Logan.

Foxtastic Four always sucked.

FoX-Men always sucked.

FoX-Men First Class sucked, too. They totally messed up characters, timelines, backgrounds, powers, etc. It was an insult to X-Men comic book fans. Maybe the people who only knew them from the 90s cartoon liked it, but they were already used to a butchered story and farked-up characters.

I can't wait to see what Marvel does with the FF and X-Men. I know anything they do will make Fox's efforts look like amateur writer/director hour.

I expect Marvel's X-Men to lean heavily into the 80s/90s teams/stories. And because this is the Internet and I'm waiting to pick up my kid from her first job, I'm going to tell you why.

Rogue. She was the Mary Sue audience guide to this new mutant world and made a big impression on people. But the version Fox out out was essentially Rogue from before she depowered Ms. Marvel, an early version, tentative and rarely effective with her power. The 80s/90s Rogue has a different powerset (flight, invulnerable and superstrength) than just the power vampire of early issues. This is a very different character and not just because of Carol Danvers influence.

So, Marvel has to incorporate mutants as something the whole world hates and fears, within a world where the MCU has happened. At the same time, Endgame has overpowered Scarlet Witch and Captain Marvel to the point of being unrelatable in the MCU power scale. So kill 2 birds with 1 stone:  the new Disney Rogue character will depower Carol in public to establish why mutants should be terrifying. It is comics accurate, opens the door to a new, tried and true version of Rogue to hang their team around AND would be able to be done about the time a Captain Maevel 3 would be up - make that movie a backdoor X-Men movie a la Ragnarok and Hulk AND you can gracefully exit Brie Larson for the next phase.


The only other opti ...


Jubilee.

They'll make Jubilee the audience proxy. But they'll avoid Wolverine entirely.

I suspect they'll lean hard into the mutants we haven't seen much of in Fox.
 
2021-05-28 11:12:02 PM  

Neondistraction: batlock666: FatherChaos: Wow. That's some hate right there. Josh Trank must be livid after hearing about this.

Also, Kate Mara is still hot.

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I have seen the movie. The hate is well deserved.

Yeah, that was a special kind of awful.  It was so bad Marvel just iced the entire franchise and kept it there while the smell of that movie slowly dissipates.


If Marvel goes all-in with the Multiverse, they could redeem the movie by bringing back Miles Teller as this guy:

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2021-05-29 12:00:56 AM  
this is just odd
 
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