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2021-05-27 2:52:22 PM  
Meanwhile 59% of guys play female characters online to get free stuff
 
2021-05-27 3:10:56 PM  
We've already instructed our daughter to pretend she's a boy as she's getting into online games.  After seeing some of the garbage that girls have to put up with, I can't understand why anyone would knowingly out themselves as a female.
 
2021-05-27 3:20:29 PM  
When I'm feeling particularly confrontational, I'll play Red Dead online. My character is a high-level woman with explosive shotgun shells and explosive bullets. I go terrorize little boys in their gangs when they get obnoxious, which is frequently. I get called every name, including some I've never heard!
 
2021-05-27 3:31:51 PM  
I can believe that.

Have you seen some of the shiatballs women gamer streamers have to put up with online? I don't mean casual streamers, I mean streamers who normally pull 5K-25K viewers per stream, and are in the top two tiers of the games they play. In other words, just below professional e-sports level of game play.

You should sit in on a twitch stream when a one is going through unban requests.

It's like Andrew Dice Clay meets Beavis and Butthead, writing to Dear Abby . . .

At first it's funny, then pathetic, and finally slam head into keyboard level of asinine.
 
2021-05-27 3:41:14 PM  
I know I don't have it nearly as rough as women online, but the general a-holish stuff is pervasive.
I play a lot of PS4 and enjoy games where you wear a headset and can talk to each other about the game, but the second I open my mouth someone will respond "lol are you gay or something?"
It's not even like it makes me mad or anything, but man it sure takes you out of the mood for playing online games.
 
2021-05-27 4:05:21 PM  

criscodisco: It's not even like it makes me mad or anything, but man it sure takes you out of the mood for playing online games.


That.  The only thing I ever play with VC on any more is TF2 and I never talk.  And I suspect the TF2 community is tame (now) compared to newer games.  Most of the time it is just goofy people but even *it* gets the jackholes.
 
2021-05-27 4:18:42 PM  
I've gotten spoiled by playing online with mostly the same group of people for the past few years (really just Destiny 2 raids, and drinking beer).

But every so often someone can't make it and we have to reach out to the wider world. And my goodness, if people are willing to be dickheads to 5 30-something men when we aren't  perfect (and we're more than willing to stick up for each other), I dread to think what it's like for women.
 
2021-05-27 4:23:29 PM  
Imagine if gamers had never accepted, excused, and eventually normalized this behavior.
 
2021-05-27 4:24:32 PM  
Heh, people play online games with strangers.
 
2021-05-27 4:25:31 PM  
My wife plays Overwatch and I just don't know how she can stand that toxic BS that goes on in the chats. I tend to curate my multiplayer experience to non-horrible people, or at least people who are horrible in similar ways to me personally.
 
2021-05-27 4:28:45 PM  
It's about ethics in gaming journalism.
 
2021-05-27 4:28:56 PM  

UberDave: criscodisco: It's not even like it makes me mad or anything, but man it sure takes you out of the mood for playing online games.

That.  The only thing I ever play with VC on any more is TF2 and I never talk.  And I suspect the TF2 community is tame (now) compared to newer games.  Most of the time it is just goofy people but even *it* gets the jackholes.


Since a recent liberation I've been indulging in a few old guilty pleasures.  TF2 might be the one I really need to get back to.
 
2021-05-27 4:34:07 PM  
To be fair, about 65% of the males in online act like their 12.
 
2021-05-27 4:38:47 PM  

Copperbelly watersnake: To be fair, about 65% of the males in online act like their there12.


FTFY. Sorry. Pet peave.
 
2021-05-27 4:39:03 PM  
So does this mean that 41% of women like the abuse?
 
2021-05-27 4:46:59 PM  
My 65-yo mother had to choose a gender-neutral name to play online belote, because she was tired of getting harassed.
 
2021-05-27 4:49:44 PM  

WhippingBoi: So does this mean that 41% of women like the abuse?


More that we're just hardened to it, for better or for worse.
 
2021-05-27 4:53:43 PM  
CSB:

I'm a dude playing World of Warcraft decade-plus back. Was a Blood Elf warlock at the time, a redhead female. Scored that buccaneer's outfit and it looked pretty damn good on my low-level self at the time, not to mention stats for whatever a WoW character needed then while leveling in the teens. Kinda looked like Miss Fortune, the League of Legends chick with the pistols, before she existed.

Then it got weird.

Over the next few days I got followed by guys in Ogr and other Horde cities wanting screen shots of their character next to mine, then having an entourage follow my character (I'm thinking, "Christ, aren't there enough Blood Elf Barbies on a server? Maybe I'm the only one not going for the anime hot girl look?"). Got cussed out when I said no or pretended to have/or actually did get dungeon runs, and I even had some guy sending me tons of messages wanting me to play with his character just so he could pretend to have a girlfriend.

OK, think I'll take a break from this character and try a male shaman ...

But yeah that. And I recall being on vent in dungeon run with a group of guilds and a French woman was explaining the fights with a very noticeable ESL accent. I'd say three or four in the 25-man run were either mocking her voice or wanting to jerk off to it. She quit the game from that experience, I later heard through the grapevine. Don't blame her.

/Later would level my main character warlock on the Alliance side of the server; don't recall being groped as a human female warlock.
//Did have a few whistles as a female dwarf monk, but I laughed those off as role play from dwarf players, plus playing the short and stout girl in a Barbie world, it's pretty hard to NOT look ridiculous in WoW female armor.
 
2021-05-27 4:55:28 PM  

Fart And Smunny: My wife plays Overwatch and I just don't know how she can stand that toxic BS that goes on in the chats. I tend to curate my multiplayer experience to non-horrible people, or at least people who are horrible in similar ways to me personally.


Overwatch is good about controlling toxic behavior. I only report people who use racist language or obviously throw games. Within a couple of days I get a notice stating something happened with my complaint. I wouldn't know who it was done to or what happened but I know something happened.
 
2021-05-27 4:55:58 PM  

GoldSpider: UberDave: criscodisco: It's not even like it makes me mad or anything, but man it sure takes you out of the mood for playing online games.

That.  The only thing I ever play with VC on any more is TF2 and I never talk.  And I suspect the TF2 community is tame (now) compared to newer games.  Most of the time it is just goofy people but even *it* gets the jackholes.

Since a recent liberation I've been indulging in a few old guilty pleasures.  TF2 might be the one I really need to get back to.


I play the GFLClan 2fort fast-respawn server most of the time.  There's annoyances on there from time to time but most of the time it is just people goofing around. Typically 20-somethings are the ones in VC just bs-ing about random crap but there are older and younger people on there - and there are girls and guys who all seem to be *not* acting like assholes.

I think that server is moderated fairly well.  Skail servers, OTOH, are sometimes just fine and other times the idiots drop in making racist comments and sprays and so on.
 
2021-05-27 4:57:15 PM  

syrynxx: Meanwhile 59% of guys play female characters online to get free stuff


Back in the day they often had hidden perks like in Mario 2 (doki doki panic) peach can float, which is amazing in a platformer, and in DQ 4 there's some pretty good female only armor you find about midway through that can turn the Hero into quite the tank at that level.

And, in the original mario kart, peach guzzles champagne if you win.
 
2021-05-27 5:03:15 PM  

syrynxx: Meanwhile 59% of guys play female characters online to get free stuff


Yeah, when I played my female dwarf character in WoW, during holidays where you had to find a female dwarf player to deliver a Valentine's card or some BS -- I was being asked by my guild to show up. And getting serious tips from Alliance and Horde players.

/may have been maybe three other leveled female dwarf players on the server, I recall high-fiving two of them and talking with them how rare our choice was
 
2021-05-27 5:18:44 PM  

padraig: My 65-yo mother had to choose a gender-neutral name to play online belote, because she was tired of getting harassed.


That reminds me of another game with a "tame" or more mature player base (than typical) - DDO.  When it was new, there was tons of older people and every PUG seemed to have mostly people my age or older.

There were women all the time who played without issue.  One really awesome raid PUG saw a woman with the name "Bassive Moobies".  I think she was mid to late 30s.  Some of us snickered at the name when joining but other than that, it was "Bassive, over here."...."Bassive, are you buffed?"..."Bassive! Help!" and otherwise normal.   I couldn't imagine someone with a character name like that lasting an hour in WoW.
 
2021-05-27 5:53:07 PM  

syrynxx: Meanwhile 59% of guys play female characters online to get free stuff


I keep wanting to create an alt account to try that. But I am too lazy.
 
2021-05-27 6:19:29 PM  
huh.  I do online crossword puzzles and sudoku and no one ever bothers me.
 
2021-05-27 6:44:27 PM  

Fart And Smunny: Copperbelly watersnake: To be fair, about 65% of the males in online act like their there12.

FTFY. Sorry. Pet peave.


Better typo?
 
2021-05-27 6:52:50 PM  
My best friend is kind of a name among Valorant players.
She only plays while using a voice changer because of the hateful bullshiat everyone spews while she's playing. She doesn't even want her teammates to know she's female.

Gamers need to fix their farking culture.
 
2021-05-27 7:09:32 PM  
More like 69%
 
2021-05-27 7:10:55 PM  
"want better representation in ads"

and then i vomited and consign myself to our doom.
 
2021-05-27 7:16:44 PM  
Sad and Obvious tags must have had a knock-down, drag-out fight for this one.  How's obvious doing since it lost?
 
2021-05-27 7:39:08 PM  
And this is why I only play single player.
 
2021-05-27 7:52:29 PM  

PvtStash: "want better representation in ads"

and then i vomited and consign myself to our doom.


I don't want any real person representation in my video game ads.
 
2021-05-27 8:01:49 PM  
One of the first female to male characters I knew was "TS" from Star Wars Galaxies. She was a merciless Bounty Hunter erasing a shocking amount of new Jedi XP.

We were Dark Side aligned so "he" couldn't hunt me, though regularly biatched about that. Eventually, with the 0 0 Endor grind the number of out and about Jedi got out of hand.

So we, meaning my Jedi guild, linked up with "his" guild and we got to work killing Light Side Jedi.

Sadly the NGE came and we all decided to move on, TS showed up to our fairwell teamspeak chat and boy were we surprised to find out "he" was a she.

Good for anyone who wants or doesn't want attention for their gender.
 
2021-05-27 8:05:08 PM  

Practical_Draconian: CSB:

I'm a dude playing World of Warcraft decade-plus back. Was a Blood Elf warlock at the time, a redhead female. Scored that buccaneer's outfit and it looked pretty damn good on my low-level self at the time, not to mention stats for whatever a WoW character needed then while leveling in the teens. Kinda looked like Miss Fortune, the League of Legends chick with the pistols, before she existed.

Then it got weird.

Over the next few days I got followed by guys in Ogr and other Horde cities wanting screen shots of their character next to mine, then having an entourage follow my character (I'm thinking, "Christ, aren't there enough Blood Elf Barbies on a server? Maybe I'm the only one not going for the anime hot girl look?"). Got cussed out when I said no or pretended to have/or actually did get dungeon runs, and I even had some guy sending me tons of messages wanting me to play with his character just so he could pretend to have a girlfriend.

OK, think I'll take a break from this character and try a male shaman ...

But yeah that. And I recall being on vent in dungeon run with a group of guilds and a French woman was explaining the fights with a very noticeable ESL accent. I'd say three or four in the 25-man run were either mocking her voice or wanting to jerk off to it. She quit the game from that experience, I later heard through the grapevine. Don't blame her.

/Later would level my main character warlock on the Alliance side of the server; don't recall being groped as a human female warlock.
//Did have a few whistles as a female dwarf monk, but I laughed those off as role play from dwarf players, plus playing the short and stout girl in a Barbie world, it's pretty hard to NOT look ridiculous in WoW female armor.


My main on WoW was a dwarf female hunter with a wolf named Blumpkin.

Very rare to get propositions as a dwarf female.  It was nice to be fugly.
 
2021-05-27 8:14:51 PM  

Bonzo_1116: Practical_Draconian: CSB:

I'm a dude playing World of Warcraft decade-plus back. Was a Blood Elf warlock at the time, a redhead female. Scored that buccaneer's outfit and it looked pretty damn good on my low-level self at the time, not to mention stats for whatever a WoW character needed then while leveling in the teens. Kinda looked like Miss Fortune, the League of Legends chick with the pistols, before she existed.

Then it got weird.

Over the next few days I got followed by guys in Ogr and other Horde cities wanting screen shots of their character next to mine, then having an entourage follow my character (I'm thinking, "Christ, aren't there enough Blood Elf Barbies on a server? Maybe I'm the only one not going for the anime hot girl look?"). Got cussed out when I said no or pretended to have/or actually did get dungeon runs, and I even had some guy sending me tons of messages wanting me to play with his character just so he could pretend to have a girlfriend.

OK, think I'll take a break from this character and try a male shaman ...

But yeah that. And I recall being on vent in dungeon run with a group of guilds and a French woman was explaining the fights with a very noticeable ESL accent. I'd say three or four in the 25-man run were either mocking her voice or wanting to jerk off to it. She quit the game from that experience, I later heard through the grapevine. Don't blame her.

/Later would level my main character warlock on the Alliance side of the server; don't recall being groped as a human female warlock.
//Did have a few whistles as a female dwarf monk, but I laughed those off as role play from dwarf players, plus playing the short and stout girl in a Barbie world, it's pretty hard to NOT look ridiculous in WoW female armor.

My main on WoW was a dwarf female hunter with a wolf named Blumpkin.

Very rare to get propositions as a dwarf female.  It was nice to be fugly.


My first real main was a warlock named Halima Saranov, and one time someone started harassing me in gen chat (he ended up getting banned for the things he said, once again, in GENERAL chat) someone else replied "Based on the WoT name I don't think he'd appreciate what you're offering to do."

Never did make a dwarf female, had a dwarf male priest named amaninadress that was one of my pvp characters though.
 
2021-05-27 8:20:08 PM  

padraig: My 65-yo mother had to choose a gender-neutral name to play online belote, because she was tired of getting harassed.


Is she hot? If I go through you, shes not being harassed. Follow me for more online hookup ideas at enlightenedstalker.com
 
2021-05-27 8:23:07 PM  
Always try to shut down toxicity when encountered. Your need to win doesn't mean you can act like a coont.
 
2021-05-27 8:45:16 PM  
Oh well, boys dominate the gaming sphere but women make bank selling sexuality on YouTube and twitch. It evens out.
 
2021-05-27 8:53:08 PM  
Odd bot-like typing detected.

Nice try bot.
 
2021-05-27 9:48:57 PM  

UberDave: padraig: My 65-yo mother had to choose a gender-neutral name to play online belote, because she was tired of getting harassed.

That reminds me of another game with a "tame" or more mature player base (than typical) - DDO.  When it was new, there was tons of older people and every PUG seemed to have mostly people my age or older.

There were women all the time who played without issue.  One really awesome raid PUG saw a woman with the name "Bassive Moobies".  I think she was mid to late 30s.  Some of us snickered at the name when joining but other than that, it was "Bassive, over here."...."Bassive, are you buffed?"..."Bassive! Help!" and otherwise normal.   I couldn't imagine someone with a character name like that lasting an hour in WoW.


It's almost like certain games attract crappy userbases... So in games like WoW and Overwatch and Diablo III (interesting, Blizzard games); LoL and DoTA; Battlefield, Call of Duty, Fortnite, Valorant, Among Us public servers... All are full of trashy people and they are primarily irresponsible children.

Every game I play, the interactions are like you mention. Mostly uneventful, no one cares, certainly not pursues or harassed women. Final Fantasy XIV has a phenomenal community, I've met one jerk the whole time I've played, everyone else is great.

People need to understand that wildly popular games with no system requirements and voice chat built in... Are a an absolutely terrible experience. Their communities are unilaterally toxic. They will not change.

\Even if you want to play one of those, do it in private servers or guilds run by adults with other adults. It will be a much better experience
 
2021-05-27 10:01:22 PM  

pueblonative: Fart And Smunny: Copperbelly watersnake: To be fair, about 65% of the males in online act like their there12.

FTFY. Sorry. Pet peave.

Better typo?


Old Fark running joke. :)
 
2021-05-27 10:33:16 PM  
I made a female Kryptonian in DC Online just because I was bored with my main and was on a Supergirl TV show kick at the time. Ended up becoming my main just because I put so much time into her. Playing that character gave me a lot of respect for what women deal with online. At one point I had to literally wait until off hours to hit the social hub vendors because any time spent in the hub during peak hours meant wave after wave of unsolicited private messages from creeps.
 
2021-05-27 10:59:22 PM  
I have pretty thick skin after years of gaming.  You can't play and not just learn to ignore it. What irritates me is that when I bother to spend the time reporting bad behavior, usually because it ruined the gaming experience (i.e. not just some jerk asking if I was hot, but disgusting, rude, or disruptive behavior)... how little was done about it. Like what is so difficult about banning people who write disgusting things in chat. Should take 2 seconds to review.
That's what gets me after all these years- not the disgusting children, but all the people who shrug their shoulders and go "yeah, but its easier to just ignore them".
 
2021-05-28 12:15:48 AM  
Guild Wars 2 has a really great player community. I've never seen any real abuse aimed at the ladies I know through that game. Other than the occasional "there are no girls on the internet."

I have heard of a few notorious women playing girl gamer ego or catfish games.

The whole damn PVE community is super mellow and helpful. The PVP has the usual dickheads, and WvW has a bit of of mix between the two.

The game as a whole kinda flies under the radar so we don't draw the crappy people the bigger names get.
 
2021-05-28 1:02:53 AM  

Driedsponge: We've already instructed our daughter to pretend she's a boy as she's getting into online games.  After seeing some of the garbage that girls have to put up with, I can't understand why anyone would knowingly out themselves as a female.


I did that once, long ago.  It was hard to get into that mindset, but once you're there, it really is interesting to glimpse the other side. I always stayed serious and focused, and had real women help me with some situations I didn't know how to handle.

It did give me an awareness I wouldn't have, otherwise. And I couldn't keep it up.  But it was educational.  Having said that, the game choice made a HUGE difference in how you were treated.  Many games plain old work better as a male.

Games that drew the highly technical crowd were the most fair and even a bit deferential.  Not a Single problem over a whole summer.  But fighting games were a den of bullshiat and dumbarses.
 
2021-05-28 1:46:23 AM  

hammer85: Never did make a dwarf female, had a dwarf male priest named amaninadress that was one of my pvp characters though.


Had a PVP healing paladin named ChevyImpaladin. Male draenei for dat laugh, to mock Horde players trying to kill me (it often took their entire team, or just one guy who had equipment and knew stuns and silences in rotations).

Also heard "that was my first car" a lot.
 
2021-05-28 1:50:28 AM  

UberDave: That.  The only thing I ever play with VC on any more is TF2 and I never talk.  And I suspect the TF2 community is tame (now) compared to newer games.  Most of the time it is just goofy people but even *it* gets the jackholes


Funny story, I've been playing TF2 forever and a day, like since it launched.  In the last two months I changed  my display name from gender-neutral gadian to an obviously female one.  I get shiat like "oh hey, yeah, you're finally catching on" and "that was cute, but try this" over VC. I'd rather be called all of the toxic masculine bullshiat put downs when they can't take down my sentry than stupid, over patronizing patting on the head 'encouragement' and suggestions that I play medic.  fark that, I'm battle engie now and forever.

So, yes, pretty tame still just awful.
 
2021-05-28 1:58:14 AM  

Katie98_KT: I have pretty thick skin after years of gaming.  You can't play and not just learn to ignore it. What irritates me is that when I bother to spend the time reporting bad behavior, usually because it ruined the gaming experience (i.e. not just some jerk asking if I was hot, but disgusting, rude, or disruptive behavior)... how little was done about it. Like what is so difficult about banning people who write disgusting things in chat. Should take 2 seconds to review.
That's what gets me after all these years- not the disgusting children, but all the people who shrug their shoulders and go "yeah, but its easier to just ignore them".


Same. And I don't bother hiding that I'm a woman. I tend to push back so maybe that's why I don't get harrassed, not sure.

But agreed about the blatant toxic behaviors being ignored. Opened an in-game ticket once for some jerk preaching antisemitism and race-based eugenics. Literally telling people to watch Nazi propaganda to see it's not so bad, the hate for Nazis is overblown, there are facts in them, etc. Person was doing this for over a week in genchat. Reported it, saw they weren't on for a day while ticket was open, got notice ticket was closed, and they were back at it the next day. I have a fairly high tolerance for people spouting stupidity in chats (debating abortion on Imperial fleet at 11 p.m. good times, and Dromund Kaas chat is...well...), and in the 8 or so years of being in that game this was the second ticket I opened for abuse. Ignoring doesn't make it go away, it emboldens this behavior. Speaking out at least lets others see that not everyone shrugs and accepts, even if others feel the same but don't want to get involved.
 
2021-05-28 2:06:03 AM  

hammer85: Bonzo_1116: Practical_Draconian: CSB:

I'm a dude playing World of Warcraft decade-plus back. Was a Blood Elf warlock at the time, a redhead female. Scored that buccaneer's outfit and it looked pretty damn good on my low-level self at the time, not to mention stats for whatever a WoW character needed then while leveling in the teens. Kinda looked like Miss Fortune, the League of Legends chick with the pistols, before she existed.

Then it got weird.

Over the next few days I got followed by guys in Ogr and other Horde cities wanting screen shots of their character next to mine, then having an entourage follow my character (I'm thinking, "Christ, aren't there enough Blood Elf Barbies on a server? Maybe I'm the only one not going for the anime hot girl look?"). Got cussed out when I said no or pretended to have/or actually did get dungeon runs, and I even had some guy sending me tons of messages wanting me to play with his character just so he could pretend to have a girlfriend.

OK, think I'll take a break from this character and try a male shaman ...

But yeah that. And I recall being on vent in dungeon run with a group of guilds and a French woman was explaining the fights with a very noticeable ESL accent. I'd say three or four in the 25-man run were either mocking her voice or wanting to jerk off to it. She quit the game from that experience, I later heard through the grapevine. Don't blame her.

/Later would level my main character warlock on the Alliance side of the server; don't recall being groped as a human female warlock.
//Did have a few whistles as a female dwarf monk, but I laughed those off as role play from dwarf players, plus playing the short and stout girl in a Barbie world, it's pretty hard to NOT look ridiculous in WoW female armor.

My main on WoW was a dwarf female hunter with a wolf named Blumpkin.

Very rare to get propositions as a dwarf female.  It was nice to be fugly.

My first real main was a warlock named Halima Saranov, and one time som ...


Played a female warlock on WoW as well and never had any issues.  Once had somebody tried to flirt, but I explained that I was a guy and they knocked it off pretty quickly.  Maybe playing an undead had something to do with it...

But I also never had issues playing SWTOR as a female either.  Honestly, I think that it's more that I'm a slow typist when gaming so I do really do much in chat.  I also don't really do much voice chat either, so that distance may have something to do with it.

OTOH, I'm well aware of how bad it can get for women.  Back when I played Tribes I was part of a guild that, while well-natured and friendly, wasn't the most skilled.  We had a female player that was one of the best that joined us because of that well-natured aspect and the sheer volume of harassment that she experienced.  Top competitive teams would try to get her to join, but while she'd play for one in competition, it was only as a associate.

She'd actually had been with us for several months before I even knew she was a woman because she did hide her gender and even that was just as a heads up for when I was admin on our server.
 
2021-05-28 2:38:09 AM  

Chris Crude: padraig: My 65-yo mother had to choose a gender-neutral name to play online belote, because she was tired of getting harassed.

Is she hot? If I go through you, shes not being harassed. Follow me for more online hookup ideas at enlightenedstalker.com


Okay, I had to laugh
 
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