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(Las Vegas Review Journal)   Restauranteurs shocked to find that their applicant pool, 75% of whom have left in the last year over low wages, is hyperfocused on money - unlike the owners themselves, who only got into restauranting for the love of 18-hour days and over-buttering   (reviewjournal.com) divider line
    More: Dumbass, Wage, Employment, Unemployment, Minimum wage, Supply and demand, industry's labor shortage, Wage labour, Saru Jayaraman  
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2021-05-24 3:03:44 PM  
The argument of "how can you ask our small businessheroes to pay more when they barely held on themselves" is so bizarre to me.

Are people supposed to work for less than they're worth "because we're a family?"

Is capitalism just a one-way street?

Does having workers unable to afford to be customers really help a business?
 
2021-05-24 3:49:17 PM  
RAZOR-THIN MARGINS!
 
2021-05-24 3:51:26 PM  
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2021-05-24 3:51:34 PM  
Oh look, this thread again.  Hopefully it Voltrons into a tipping thread.
 
2021-05-24 3:52:36 PM  
Good job, subby.  Nothing like ignorant over generalizations to make a point.  If you bothered to spend any effort at all doing a little research it would take you about ten minutes to realize that there's no such thing as too much butter.
 
2021-05-24 3:53:19 PM  

Jeebus Saves: Oh look, this thread again.  Hopefully it Voltrons into a tipping thread.


Quit complaining. At least we're only doing one a day now.
 
2021-05-24 3:54:20 PM  
The same people who biatch about migrant workers, who set the floor for restaurant labor costs, are the ones yelling the loudest about not being able to get their daily dollar menu fast food fix. Boo frickity hoo.
 
2021-05-24 3:54:31 PM  

Louisiana_Sitar_Club: Good job, subby.  Nothing like ignorant over generalizations to make a point.  If you bothered to spend any effort at all doing a little research it would take you about ten minutes to realize that there's no such thing as too much butter.


I always knew Paula Deen had a Dark handle?
 
2021-05-24 3:55:53 PM  
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The most common reason restaurants fail: Greedy customers demanding extra cheese
 
2021-05-24 3:56:55 PM  
What the hell is "over-buttering?" You only stop adding butter when you run out of butter.
 
2021-05-24 3:57:15 PM  

Fabric_Man: Jeebus Saves: Oh look, this thread again.  Hopefully it Voltrons into a tipping thread.

Quit complaining. At least we're only doing one a day now.


And thankfully it's Five Lions VolTron and not the suck-ass one.  Or the even-more suck-ass one.
 
2021-05-24 3:58:05 PM  
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2021-05-24 3:58:22 PM  

omnimancer28: Louisiana_Sitar_Club: Good job, subby.  Nothing like ignorant over generalizations to make a point.  If you bothered to spend any effort at all doing a little research it would take you about ten minutes to realize that there's no such thing as too much butter.

I always knew Paula Deen had a Dark handle?


Dark....?
 
2021-05-24 3:58:53 PM  

Louisiana_Sitar_Club: Good job, subby.  Nothing like ignorant over generalizations to make a point.  If you bothered to spend any effort at all doing a little research it would take you about ten minutes to realize that there's no such thing as too much butter.


I was all set to be like RTFA DUDE, but then I larfed.

// Pittsburgh-seared a steak last week - the standard recipe (garlic & butter, forgot the rosemary because I'm dumb), and the only direction I remember is "use way more butter than you think you'll need, then put in a bunch more"
 
2021-05-24 3:58:55 PM  

dothemath: [Fark user image 307x164]
The most common reason restaurants fail: Greedy customers demanding extra cheese


And a distinct lack of brothers on the wall.

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2021-05-24 3:59:43 PM  
Sounds to me like the free market is telling them to either raise wages or shut down.

The only downside is that inflation is coming, so buckle up. Your $30/person meal is now going to be $50/person. Which isn't a big deal. The poors don't need to eat out. It's a rich people experience, like nice cars and your kids having their own bedrooms.
 
2021-05-24 4:01:11 PM  

Rapmaster2000: dothemath: [Fark user image 307x164]
The most common reason restaurants fail: Greedy customers demanding extra cheese

And a distinct lack of brothers on the wall.

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You wanna hang pictures of brothers on the wall then go open your own pizzeria.
 
2021-05-24 4:01:48 PM  
What is this "over" buttering?
 
2021-05-24 4:02:34 PM  

shut_it_down: What the hell is "over-buttering?"


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2021-05-24 4:02:37 PM  
Maybe they should shut down their restaurant and learn to code.
 
2021-05-24 4:03:18 PM  

Mr. Coffee Nerves: The argument of "how can you ask our small businessheroes to pay more when they barely held on themselves" is so bizarre to me.

Are people supposed to work for less than they're worth "because we're a family?"

Is capitalism just a one-way street?

Does having workers unable to afford to be customers really help a business?


Pay a living wage, raise your prices, and eliminate tipping at your restaurant.  Establish a system for patrons to leave positive reviews for their servers and cooks that can be used to distribute bonuses.

It's time we stopped asking restaurant patrons to subsidize wages.
 
2021-05-24 4:03:44 PM  
If you have to pay the same wages as your competitors- you're not being placed at an economic disadvantage.

Also- remember that the law of supply and demand isn't revoked only when it comes to your labor supply.
 
2021-05-24 4:03:54 PM  
"A small business like me, we don't have that luxury. We can't do $18 an hour at a local place in Henderson."

Then maybe don't open a sushi place in Henderson? If your business model is only viable on wages below the prevailing reservation wage, and could only operate previously when benefitting from socially subsidized labor rates, perhaps its time to do something else?

Restaurants have been in a bubble with 75%+ yearly turnover in businesses for years now. This is just the labor part of the market finally catching up.
 
2021-05-24 4:04:13 PM  
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/I recently took the family to one of the finest steakhouses in town. The food was delicious and the service was impeccable.
Turns out when you pay your employees well, it's not hard to attract and keep staff.
 
2021-05-24 4:04:15 PM  
restaurateur

No farkin' Millers
 
2021-05-24 4:05:01 PM  

Wanderlusting: Sounds to me like the free market is telling them to either raise wages or shut down.

The only downside is that inflation is coming, so buckle up. Your $30/person meal is now going to be $50/person. Which isn't a big deal. The poors don't need to eat out. It's a rich people experience, like nice cars and your kids having their own bedrooms.


In California, all restaurant workers are paid a minimum of $14 / hr ($15 in some spots) and they haven't nearly doubled the cost for eating out.
 
2021-05-24 4:06:47 PM  

Private_Citizen: [Fark user image 425x428]

/I recently took the family to one of the finest steakhouses in town. The food was delicious and the service was impeccable.
Turns out when you pay your employees well, it's not hard to attract and keep staff.


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In my hometown, Sizzler would have been considered the finest steakhouse in town.  It would also be the only steakhouse because we only had a diner and a Dairy Queen.
 
2021-05-24 4:07:01 PM  

Jeebus Saves: Oh look, this thread again.  Hopefully it Voltrons into a tipping thread.


Tipping should be mandatory 25% if margins are that low.
 
2021-05-24 4:07:31 PM  

Wanderlusting: Sounds to me like the free market is telling them to either raise wages or shut down.

The only downside is that inflation is coming, so buckle up. Your $30/person meal is now going to be $50/person. Which isn't a big deal. The poors don't need to eat out. It's a rich people experience, like nice cars and your kids having their own bedrooms.


The bottom end of the restaurant market is a mess.  A drive-through meal from Popeye's is about the same price as one of the specials at Chili's.  Think about how much alcohol they have to sell to make up for the much higher rent and facilities cost, the larger kitchen, wait-staff who bathe more than 3 times a week, etc.
 
2021-05-24 4:09:11 PM  

Wanderlusting: Sounds to me like the free market is telling them to either raise wages or shut down.

The only downside is that inflation is coming, so buckle up. Your $30/person meal is now going to be $50/person. Which isn't a big deal. The poors don't need to eat out. It's a rich people experience, like nice cars and your kids having their own bedrooms.


Because poor people buying two ramen instead of one is going to drive inflation?

I think there's going to be a lot of slack in the system.  When you pay people a living wage, they'll start working one job instead of three.  And they'll work 40-50 hours at that job.  Then they'll go home and have dinner with their kids, help them with homework, balance their checkbook, get some exercise, etc.  Point is, we've made poor people such an insignificant part of our economy that paying them more will not lead to significant inflation.  Never has.
 
2021-05-24 4:09:46 PM  

Wanderlusting: Sounds to me like the free market is telling them to either raise wages or shut down.

The only downside is that inflation is coming, so buckle up. Your $30/person meal is now going to be $50/person. Which isn't a big deal. The poors don't need to eat out. It's a rich people experience, like nice cars and your kids having their own bedrooms.


Prices don't increase 1:1 with worker pay because workers are only like a third of restaurant overhead. Even if you theoretically increased worker pay by 50%, the total overhead would only go up by like 15%. So to compensate, a $30 meal becomes a $34.50 meal. Big whoop.
 
2021-05-24 4:10:00 PM  

Rapmaster2000: Private_Citizen: [Fark user image 425x428]

/I recently took the family to one of the finest steakhouses in town. The food was delicious and the service was impeccable.
Turns out when you pay your employees well, it's not hard to attract and keep staff.

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In my hometown, Sizzler would have been considered the finest steakhouse in town.  It would also be the only steakhouse because we only had a diner and a Dairy Queen.


Five O'clock Steakhouse

/Really good food, and great service!
 
2021-05-24 4:10:46 PM  

Louisiana_Sitar_Club: Good job, subby.  Nothing like ignorant over generalizations to make a point.  If you bothered to spend any effort at all doing a little research it would take you about ten minutes to realize that there's no such thing as too much butter.


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2021-05-24 4:11:25 PM  

shut_it_down: Wanderlusting: Sounds to me like the free market is telling them to either raise wages or shut down.

The only downside is that inflation is coming, so buckle up. Your $30/person meal is now going to be $50/person. Which isn't a big deal. The poors don't need to eat out. It's a rich people experience, like nice cars and your kids having their own bedrooms.

Prices don't increase 1:1 with worker pay because workers are only like a third of restaurant overhead. Even if you theoretically increased worker pay by 50%, the total overhead would only go up by like 15%. So to compensate, a $30 meal becomes a $34.50 meal. Big whoop.


And that's for mom & pop. Larger chains like Papa John's refused to give their employees health benefits and a living wage because it would cause a $0.25 increase per pizza.
 
2021-05-24 4:11:25 PM  

Louisiana_Sitar_Club: Good job, subby.  Nothing like ignorant over generalizations to make a point.  If you bothered to spend any effort at all doing a little research it would take you about ten minutes to realize that there's no such thing as too much butter.


Especially if it's garlic butter.
 
2021-05-24 4:12:44 PM  
My Kid was offered a "job" in a local restaurant.  Work three hours, go home then come back two hours later to work some more.

People actually agree to this?  Like having two jobs and still.part time.
 
2021-05-24 4:13:41 PM  

brilett: If you have to pay the same wages as your competitors- you're not being placed at an economic disadvantage.


If you pay slightly more than your competitors, you can place yourself at a service advantage.

We pay our housekeepers $3 per hour more than [well-known area food chain] does its back of house staff, guarantee hours and don't expect people in to cover at 30 minutes' notice. We also offer healthcare to all 20+ hour a week staff. My staff are reliable, clean and sober, vaccinated, and many have been with the business for years.
 
2021-05-24 4:20:32 PM  

Louisiana_Sitar_Club: Good job, subby.  Nothing like ignorant over generalizations to make a point.  If you bothered to spend any effort at all doing a little research it would take you about ten minutes to realize that there's no such thing as too much butter.


We've found Paula Dean's Fark handle.
 
2021-05-24 4:21:19 PM  

Mr. Coffee Nerves: The argument of "how can you ask our small businessheroes to pay more when they barely held on themselves" is so bizarre to me.

Are people supposed to work for less than they're worth "because we're a family?"

Is capitalism just a one-way street?

Does having workers unable to afford to be customers really help a business?


If a business cannot survive paying its workers a living wage it should not survive.
 
2021-05-24 4:22:04 PM  

Wendigogo: Louisiana_Sitar_Club: Good job, subby.  Nothing like ignorant over generalizations to make a point.  If you bothered to spend any effort at all doing a little research it would take you about ten minutes to realize that there's no such thing as too much butter.

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That Woman's recipe for deep fried butter, topped with butter cream frosting and served with a lemon butter dipping sauce is to die for!

/Seriously, see a cardiologist.
 
2021-05-24 4:22:23 PM  

meanmutton: In California, all restaurant workers are paid a minimum of $14 / hr ($15 in some spots) and they haven't nearly doubled the cost for eating out.


Are restaurants not having trouble with employment in California?

https://www.sacbee.com/news/local/sacr​amento-tipping-point/article250670114.​html

It looks like $15/hr is still too low. I wonder what prices of food will do at $30/hr?
 
2021-05-24 4:23:02 PM  
Sorry, but no.

I have worked for family business owners.  They all complain about the labor costs, and how expensive it is to run a business in California.  Yet, they do the following:
- Complain about the cost of private boarding school in Cali because their daughter and wife fight so much that it was becoming a distraction to wife doing their own company taxes, and since she had no time for business, she had to hire an accountant, a nanny and a driver so she could concentrate on their daughter and 3 other kids, since you know, it is so hard to be working mom.  She needs all the help she could get.
- The son of the owner could not find a decent girl to marry so they grow the business together, while such son on his 30's would spend the weekends at the local nightclub hitting on sorority girls.
- The fact that their out of state expenses meant they had to pay for tax preparers across 3 different states, and the cost was so high that they could no longer afford to go on vacation to the Bahamas this summer.
... and all their troubles meant that they could not afford higher wages for their employees.  I mean, how could they?  Don't they know how razor thin the margins are?
 
2021-05-24 4:24:37 PM  

Turbo Cojones: My Kid was offered a "job" in a local restaurant.  Work three hours, go home then come back two hours later to work some more.

People actually agree to this? Like having two jobs and still.part time.


It's called desperation. You and your kid (and me and, likely, 99% of people reading) are fortunate to be able to have at least some choice over your work.
 
2021-05-24 4:25:17 PM  

Jeebus Saves: Oh look, this thread again.  Hopefully it Voltrons into a tipping thread.


Question: if you're eating at an incorporated chain restaurant, how much are you supposed to tip the major shareholders? I usually go with 5% for each board member and 10% for the chairman, maybe a little more if I liked the meal.
 
2021-05-24 4:26:39 PM  
One world government.  And then nationalize (worldize?) All businesses.

All the problems solved.
 
2021-05-24 4:27:22 PM  
They have all been Door Dash driving for the past year.  While it pays crap, it does pay better than being a dishwasher or a fast food cook.  They also all learned how much of a cut Doordash was getting on all those to-go orders, and know the restaurant can afford to pay them the same for in-house serving.
 
2021-05-24 4:28:12 PM  
In this thread:
A bunch of people who have never worked in hospitality, let alone ran something in it, telling people how tipping should work, how supply chains work, how customer perception works. Also they are all economists.
 
2021-05-24 4:29:08 PM  
If you want to motivate your food service workers, you need to give them a decent reason to be there. Provide something that makes them feel like they matter. Like a restaurant on one side and an activist bookstore space on the other side. Then food service will be more than a job. It will be a purpose and something to look back on later in life.

Otherwise, it's just a job. Pay up.
 
2021-05-24 4:29:40 PM  
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2021-05-24 4:29:42 PM  

Algebrat: Jeebus Saves: Oh look, this thread again.  Hopefully it Voltrons into a tipping thread.

Question: if you're eating at an incorporated chain restaurant, how much are you supposed to tip the major shareholders? I usually go with 5% for each board member and 10% for the chairman, maybe a little more if I liked the meal.


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