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2021-05-18 4:26:04 PM  
Climbers are like the disaffected suburban white males of the outdoor sports world (ignore the fact that these two venn diagrams would form an almost perfectly overlapping circle). They whine about every single change, even if they've enjoyed a carve-out or other special treatment for far longer than many other user groups.

And when I say "they" I often mean "we," but I've always been a little more realistic about sharing space and understanding the NPS's point of view. The days of dirtbagging your way through the whole summer in Camp 4 are long gone. FREE CHONGO!

I think the real issue that needs solving is general park overcrowding, not climbing specifically.
 
2021-05-18 4:45:19 PM  

NikolaiFarkoff: I think the real issue that needs solving is general park overcrowding, not climbing specifically.


Personally, I think they need to reduce road access.  Provide enough access for people to get their pics and see the outdoors but if you want to get up close, you need to hike in.

That being said, this is CA we're talking about and they have a *fark ton* of people hitting the trails out there so some place, they do indeed need permits.  But they don't need to improve the road or even provide one.

Years ago, I think I made a post about the South Colony Lakes road in CO.  It was 4wd from the valley to the lakes but they kept improving the hell out of it to the point where the Grizwalds in their Tribeca were making the trip.  Then they started talking permits and, thankfully, some smart person/people, said, "Fark that, close the road at the creek," which they did.  That reduced access to where the selfie-snapping, don't-give-a-fark-about-stomping-aroun​d-the-tundra, people take their photos from the valley's paved road.

And note, I own a wrangler but if someone in the NF decides to chain up a road and plant a sign saying, "park and carry your ass," it wouldn't bother me in the slightest.
 
2021-05-18 4:45:48 PM  
I gotta admit, when I got the notice from the Access Fund about the new permit system, I was like, "what is the problem?"

It's pretty innocuous.
 
2021-05-18 4:53:44 PM  

question_dj: I gotta admit, when I got the notice from the Access Fund about the new permit system, I was like, "what is the problem?"

It's pretty innocuous.


That's what I was thinking.  Maybe they just want to make money.

The quote from the person basically saying they're going to ignore it reminded me of Grand Teton.  That's the most strict permit system I've ever seen and I think half the unguided people up there didn't have permits and they were camping right next to the trail (there aren't many choices actually...and you have to tag tent).
 
2021-05-18 5:09:21 PM  
Oh no. Anyway....
 
2021-05-18 5:51:48 PM  

UberDave: NikolaiFarkoff: I think the real issue that needs solving is general park overcrowding, not climbing specifically.

Personally, I think they need to reduce road access.  Provide enough access for people to get their pics and see the outdoors but if you want to get up close, you need to hike in.

That being said, this is CA we're talking about and they have a *fark ton* of people hitting the trails out there so some place, they do indeed need permits.  But they don't need to improve the road or even provide one.

Years ago, I think I made a post about the South Colony Lakes road in CO.  It was 4wd from the valley to the lakes but they kept improving the hell out of it to the point where the Grizwalds in their Tribeca were making the trip.  Then they started talking permits and, thankfully, some smart person/people, said, "Fark that, close the road at the creek," which they did.  That reduced access to where the selfie-snapping, don't-give-a-fark-about-stomping-aroun​d-the-tundra, people take their photos from the valley's paved road.

And note, I own a wrangler but if someone in the NF decides to chain up a road and plant a sign saying, "park and carry your ass," it wouldn't bother me in the slightest.


Why do you hate disabled people?
 
2021-05-18 5:59:36 PM  

Troy Aikman's Giant Thumbs: UberDave: NikolaiFarkoff: I think the real issue that needs solving is general park overcrowding, not climbing specifically.

Personally, I think they need to reduce road access.  Provide enough access for people to get their pics and see the outdoors but if you want to get up close, you need to hike in.

That being said, this is CA we're talking about and they have a *fark ton* of people hitting the trails out there so some place, they do indeed need permits.  But they don't need to improve the road or even provide one.

Years ago, I think I made a post about the South Colony Lakes road in CO.  It was 4wd from the valley to the lakes but they kept improving the hell out of it to the point where the Grizwalds in their Tribeca were making the trip.  Then they started talking permits and, thankfully, some smart person/people, said, "Fark that, close the road at the creek," which they did.  That reduced access to where the selfie-snapping, don't-give-a-fark-about-stomping-aroun​d-the-tundra, people take their photos from the valley's paved road.

And note, I own a wrangler but if someone in the NF decides to chain up a road and plant a sign saying, "park and carry your ass," it wouldn't bother me in the slightest.

Why do you hate disabled people?


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2021-05-18 6:26:49 PM  

UberDave: Troy Aikman's Giant Thumbs: UberDave: NikolaiFarkoff: I think the real issue that needs solving is general park overcrowding, not climbing specifically.

Personally, I think they need to reduce road access.  Provide enough access for people to get their pics and see the outdoors but if you want to get up close, you need to hike in.

That being said, this is CA we're talking about and they have a *fark ton* of people hitting the trails out there so some place, they do indeed need permits.  But they don't need to improve the road or even provide one.

Years ago, I think I made a post about the South Colony Lakes road in CO.  It was 4wd from the valley to the lakes but they kept improving the hell out of it to the point where the Grizwalds in their Tribeca were making the trip.  Then they started talking permits and, thankfully, some smart person/people, said, "Fark that, close the road at the creek," which they did.  That reduced access to where the selfie-snapping, don't-give-a-fark-about-stomping-aroun​d-the-tundra, people take their photos from the valley's paved road.

And note, I own a wrangler but if someone in the NF decides to chain up a road and plant a sign saying, "park and carry your ass," it wouldn't bother me in the slightest.

Why do you hate disabled people?

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Not sure what good that will be for a blind person who just wants to drive around Yosemite.
 
2021-05-18 6:33:13 PM  

Troy Aikman's Giant Thumbs: UberDave: Troy Aikman's Giant Thumbs: UberDave: NikolaiFarkoff: I think the real issue that needs solving is general park overcrowding, not climbing specifically.

Personally, I think they need to reduce road access.  Provide enough access for people to get their pics and see the outdoors but if you want to get up close, you need to hike in.

That being said, this is CA we're talking about and they have a *fark ton* of people hitting the trails out there so some place, they do indeed need permits.  But they don't need to improve the road or even provide one.

Years ago, I think I made a post about the South Colony Lakes road in CO.  It was 4wd from the valley to the lakes but they kept improving the hell out of it to the point where the Grizwalds in their Tribeca were making the trip.  Then they started talking permits and, thankfully, some smart person/people, said, "Fark that, close the road at the creek," which they did.  That reduced access to where the selfie-snapping, don't-give-a-fark-about-stomping-aroun​d-the-tundra, people take their photos from the valley's paved road.

And note, I own a wrangler but if someone in the NF decides to chain up a road and plant a sign saying, "park and carry your ass," it wouldn't bother me in the slightest.

Why do you hate disabled people?

[Fark user image 425x315]

Not sure what good that will be for a blind person who just wants to drive around Yosemite.


The clips on the back are for a jetpack, so the blind person can fly instead
 
2021-05-19 9:38:01 AM  

UberDave: NikolaiFarkoff: I think the real issue that needs solving is general park overcrowding, not climbing specifically.

Personally, I think they need to reduce road access.  Provide enough access for people to get their pics and see the outdoors but if you want to get up close, you need to hike in.


AfarkingMen.  Yosemite needs this bad.  Nothing like enjoying the great outdoors as you climb up Yosemite Falls to the serenade of the constant backup sirens of garbage trucks and honking from down below.  The backcountry of Yosemite is amazing, but man that first day sucked.

UberDave: That's the most strict permit system I've ever seen and I think half the unguided people up there didn't have permits and they were camping right next to the trail (there aren't many choices actually...and you have to tag tent).


More strict than Glacier?
 
2021-05-19 10:12:34 AM  

FLMountainMan: More strict than Glacier?


Glacier has very strict camping regs, but essentially zero climbing regs.
 
2021-05-19 10:38:09 AM  

wiredroach: FLMountainMan: More strict than Glacier?

Glacier has very strict camping regs, but essentially zero climbing regs.


Yeah, I made a mess of the cut-and-paste in my search for brevity, but I inferred that Uberdave was referring to camping -

UberDave: question_dj: I gotta admit, when I got the notice from the Access Fund about the new permit system, I wThe quote from the person basically saying they're going to ignore it reminded me of Grand Teton.  That's the most strict permit system I've ever seen and I think half the unguided people up there didn't have permits and they were camping right next to the trail (there aren't many choices actually...and you have to tag tent).


Yeah, I've only backpacked Glacier once and the permit system was very strict.  The route they gave us was less than ideal - two consecutive nights by a bug-infested lake.  Still the best 4th of July I've ever had.  And that's the most photogenic park I've been to.
 
2021-05-19 11:22:59 AM  

FLMountainMan: wiredroach: FLMountainMan: More strict than Glacier?

Glacier has very strict camping regs, but essentially zero climbing regs.

Yeah, I made a mess of the cut-and-paste in my search for brevity, but I inferred that Uberdave was referring to camping -

UberDave: question_dj: I gotta admit, when I got the notice from the Access Fund about the new permit system, I wThe quote from the person basically saying they're going to ignore it reminded me of Grand Teton.  That's the most strict permit system I've ever seen and I think half the unguided people up there didn't have permits and they were camping right next to the trail (there aren't many choices actually...and you have to tag tent).

Yeah, I've only backpacked Glacier once and the permit system was very strict.  The route they gave us was less than ideal - two consecutive nights by a bug-infested lake.  Still the best 4th of July I've ever had.  And that's the most photogenic park I've been to.


You can actually propose an itinerary of your own for off-trail camping, but you need to demonstrate that your campsites are needed to accommodate your larger trip. Say if you're climbing a peak that'll take more than a day's travel to reach but isn't close to a designated campground. It's not much publicized, but it's a way to get around the lack of established camping if you're able and willing to go off-trail.
 
2021-05-19 11:30:48 AM  

wiredroach: You can actually propose an itinerary of your own for off-trail camping, but you need to demonstrate that your campsites are needed to accommodate your larger trip. Say if you're climbing a peak that'll take more than a day's travel to reach but isn't close to a designated campground. It's not much publicized, but it's a way to get around the lack of established camping if you're able and willing to go off-trail.


I did not know that.  Thanks.  I really want to take my family backpacking there - I went with a friend in my twenties.  I've been taking the family to somewhat off-the-beaten path places just to not have to deal with the hassle and crowds.  Really dig the Sangre de Cristos for family trips.  So convenient.
 
2021-05-19 12:14:13 PM  

FLMountainMan: wiredroach: You can actually propose an itinerary of your own for off-trail camping, but you need to demonstrate that your campsites are needed to accommodate your larger trip. Say if you're climbing a peak that'll take more than a day's travel to reach but isn't close to a designated campground. It's not much publicized, but it's a way to get around the lack of established camping if you're able and willing to go off-trail.

I did not know that.  Thanks.  I really want to take my family backpacking there - I went with a friend in my twenties.  I've been taking the family to somewhat off-the-beaten path places just to not have to deal with the hassle and crowds.  Really dig the Sangre de Cristos for family trips.  So convenient.


Another option is to look at are the Nyack and Coal Creek valleys in the southwest part of the park. They're administered as wilderness rather than designated backcountry, so you can camp anywhere. But you have to ford the Flathead River to get in and out, so it can be more daunting to get there. I've not done it, but the Nyack-Coal Creek loop would make for some epic, remote trekking while circumambulating Mount Stimson in the bargain. I've looked down into the area from the top of Dawson Pass, and it looks big and empty and full of wilderness.
 
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