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2021-05-17 10:15:44 PM  
You could just... not buy stupid shiat?
 
2021-05-17 10:29:12 PM  

kittyhas1000legs: You could just... not buy stupid shiat?


Or make more money.  You can safely buy tons of stupid shiat if your income is high enough.
 
2021-05-17 10:31:03 PM  

kittyhas1000legs: You could just... not buy stupid shiat?


So I play an alliance based game for fun.  It's one of those free to play, but you can buy extras to speed up your progress kind of games.

They have VIP levels for spenders.  If you spend $1 you are VIP 1. If you spend like $5 you move to VIP 2. I think $25 is vip 3.  Its exponential like that.

It goes to VIP 16.  To get to VIP 16, you have to spend $50,000 on this video game. Even VIP 12 is like $20,000.

I know multiple vip 12-16 players just on the server I play on.
I have watched people drop.+10k on a monthly event that gives them a special base skin that only last for 30 days.

They have events that reward you for spending.  One of them is a week long $100 a day event.  Another is a $1000 in a week event.


This is a farking video game that you have probably never even heard of.

Some people just have issues with money.
 
2021-05-17 10:41:28 PM  

blastoh: kittyhas1000legs: You could just... not buy stupid shiat?

So I play an alliance based game for fun.  It's one of those free to play, but you can buy extras to speed up your progress kind of games.

They have VIP levels for spenders.  If you spend $1 you are VIP 1. If you spend like $5 you move to VIP 2. I think $25 is vip 3.  Its exponential like that.

It goes to VIP 16.  To get to VIP 16, you have to spend $50,000 on this video game. Even VIP 12 is like $20,000.

I know multiple vip 12-16 players just on the server I play on.
I have watched people drop.+10k on a monthly event that gives them a special base skin that only last for 30 days.

They have events that reward you for spending.  One of them is a week long $100 a day event.  Another is a $1000 in a week event.


This is a farking video game that you have probably never even heard of.

Some people just have issues with money.


Good grief.  Cocaine and gambling have got nothing on online gaming, apparently.
 
2021-05-17 10:53:51 PM  

OptionC: blastoh: kittyhas1000legs: You could just... not buy stupid shiat?

So I play an alliance based game for fun.  It's one of those free to play, but you can buy extras to speed up your progress kind of games.

They have VIP levels for spenders.  If you spend $1 you are VIP 1. If you spend like $5 you move to VIP 2. I think $25 is vip 3.  Its exponential like that.

It goes to VIP 16.  To get to VIP 16, you have to spend $50,000 on this video game. Even VIP 12 is like $20,000.

I know multiple vip 12-16 players just on the server I play on.
I have watched people drop.+10k on a monthly event that gives them a special base skin that only last for 30 days.

They have events that reward you for spending.  One of them is a week long $100 a day event.  Another is a $1000 in a week event.


This is a farking video game that you have probably never even heard of.

Some people just have issues with money.

Good grief.  Cocaine and gambling have got nothing on online gaming, apparently.


The thing is, the game has a gambling like mindset.  A lot of the things you can buy are like lottery tickets.

You can buy packs that will give you from 1-3000 gems.  And there are other things like this.  Then you can spend gems on things that can give you anything from a useless thing you don't need to super valuable stuff.

Once a month they release a new base skin which will run about $200.  There are over twenty of of these skins and I know people who have every skin.

It is crazy.
What is weird is I have watched people in chat apologising because they have not been able to spend enough this month or this week to keep growing strong and help the alliance.
 
2021-05-17 11:33:33 PM  
Fine. I'll just quit being poor for more likes.

Click here for more details.
 
2021-05-18 3:47:13 AM  
Add this to the list of things made worse by social media along with narcissism, political disinformation, increasing the chance of hook-ups with exes, going through a day without seeing ridiculous "inspirational" god quotes and/or seeing someone's food or craft beer they are consuming, and potentially ruining your life/career when you post something stupid when you're drunk.
 
2021-05-18 7:10:06 AM  
Apparently it's actually being made worse by her own poor impulse control and not much else.

Christ, own you own bullshiat, people.
 
2021-05-18 7:24:14 AM  

GregInIndy: Apparently it's actually being made worse by her own poor impulse control and not much else.

Christ, own you own bullshiat, people.


I've definitely bought some stuff on impulse, but I'm also paranoid about my money and make sure I move any "extra" before the next payday into my savings.  It probably helps that my wife and I would try to out-cheap each other at the grocery store when we were dating, and she's pretty good about letting me know how stupid some impulse purchases would be.  Yes, I'd love a Pentax 67 II and could just drop the cash to buy one, but how much would I really use it, and film processing at 10 shots per roll would also add up quickly.  AND I should probably stick to the six cameras I have now.

Though the Olympus Six is a rangefinder, while the 67 II has TTL metering and the lenses could be adapted to my Pentax K1000, and it would just be so satisfying to have three formats of SLR from Pentax (110, 35mm, and 120).  WAIT. No. I'm good with what I have for now.

For now.
 
2021-05-18 7:36:15 AM  
America has made having debt as something to strive for.

With debt you know you are overpaying for everything and the easy access to it creates higher prices for expensive things like homes and vehicles.

I am frugal , own a home that is right for me and I don't have any debt. I learned the value of couponing when I was hurt.

Life is so much easier when you only have to worry about utilities and saving for the next home improvement you would like to do.
 
2021-05-18 7:41:08 AM  

OptionC: Or make more money.  You can safely buy tons of stupid shiat if your income is high enough.


For some people.  There are others who will always find a way to blow more money than they have.
 
2021-05-18 7:48:09 AM  
In a world of Pelotons and Yeti Coolers, premium brands dont have to even be of better quality these days.
 
2021-05-18 7:58:12 AM  
As much fun as was heaped on the hipster community in the 00s, it turns out that looking and living broke as an aesthetic was the way to go.  I know a lot of aging hipsters and all of them have comfortable 40-something lives because they drank $1 beers at dive bars in their 20s, never went to clubs, and never leased nice cars.
 
2021-05-18 8:08:32 AM  
"Welcome to Facebook, would you like to see what the Joneses are up to? Also here's this targeted ad for the thing Mr Jones just bought and posted about."
 
2021-05-18 8:15:24 AM  
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2021-05-18 8:18:09 AM  

blastoh: OptionC: blastoh: kittyhas1000legs: You could just... not buy stupid shiat?

So I play an alliance based game for fun.  It's one of those free to play, but you can buy extras to speed up your progress kind of games.

They have VIP levels for spenders.  If you spend $1 you are VIP 1. If you spend like $5 you move to VIP 2. I think $25 is vip 3.  Its exponential like that.

It goes to VIP 16.  To get to VIP 16, you have to spend $50,000 on this video game. Even VIP 12 is like $20,000.

I know multiple vip 12-16 players just on the server I play on.
I have watched people drop.+10k on a monthly event that gives them a special base skin that only last for 30 days.

They have events that reward you for spending.  One of them is a week long $100 a day event.  Another is a $1000 in a week event.


This is a farking video game that you have probably never even heard of.

Some people just have issues with money.

Good grief.  Cocaine and gambling have got nothing on online gaming, apparently.

The thing is, the game has a gambling like mindset.  A lot of the things you can buy are like lottery tickets.

You can buy packs that will give you from 1-3000 gems.  And there are other things like this.  Then you can spend gems on things that can give you anything from a useless thing you don't need to super valuable stuff.

Once a month they release a new base skin which will run about $200.  There are over twenty of of these skins and I know people who have every skin.

It is crazy.
What is weird is I have watched people in chat apologising because they have not been able to spend enough this month or this week to keep growing strong and help the alliance.


What's really fun is that most countries don't consider this gambling, so it's unregulated.
 
2021-05-18 8:19:25 AM  
You can say it's poor impulse control, bit that doesn't really excuse the constant mining of data to exploit the poor impulse control and ability to exploit you at your weakest.

It's like saying it's OK to be a conman/grifter because you're taking from people that make poor decisions.

It's bad enough to tolerate or excuse the actions of those who prey on those weaker than them. It's much worse to encourage them, as social media does.
 
2021-05-18 8:20:23 AM  

Tyrone Slothrop: blastoh: OptionC: blastoh: kittyhas1000legs: You could just... not buy stupid shiat?

So I play an alliance based game for fun.  It's one of those free to play, but you can buy extras to speed up your progress kind of games.

They have VIP levels for spenders.  If you spend $1 you are VIP 1. If you spend like $5 you move to VIP 2. I think $25 is vip 3.  Its exponential like that.

It goes to VIP 16.  To get to VIP 16, you have to spend $50,000 on this video game. Even VIP 12 is like $20,000.

I know multiple vip 12-16 players just on the server I play on.
I have watched people drop.+10k on a monthly event that gives them a special base skin that only last for 30 days.

They have events that reward you for spending.  One of them is a week long $100 a day event.  Another is a $1000 in a week event.


This is a farking video game that you have probably never even heard of.

Some people just have issues with money.

Good grief.  Cocaine and gambling have got nothing on online gaming, apparently.

The thing is, the game has a gambling like mindset.  A lot of the things you can buy are like lottery tickets.

You can buy packs that will give you from 1-3000 gems.  And there are other things like this.  Then you can spend gems on things that can give you anything from a useless thing you don't need to super valuable stuff.

Once a month they release a new base skin which will run about $200.  There are over twenty of of these skins and I know people who have every skin.

It is crazy.
What is weird is I have watched people in chat apologising because they have not been able to spend enough this month or this week to keep growing strong and help the alliance.

What's really fun is that most countries don't consider this gambling, so it's unregulated.


In fairness, it's not gambling, because in gambling the person MIGHT actually win something of value.
 
2021-05-18 8:22:46 AM  
Is advertising on social media any more prevalent or persuasive than advertising on TV, in print, on websites, embedded in mobile gaming, etc?
 
2021-05-18 8:23:18 AM  

blastoh: OptionC: blastoh: kittyhas1000legs: You could just... not buy stupid shiat?

So I play an alliance based game for fun.  It's one of those free to play, but you can buy extras to speed up your progress kind of games.

They have VIP levels for spenders.  If you spend $1 you are VIP 1. If you spend like $5 you move to VIP 2. I think $25 is vip 3.  Its exponential like that.

It goes to VIP 16.  To get to VIP 16, you have to spend $50,000 on this video game. Even VIP 12 is like $20,000.

I know multiple vip 12-16 players just on the server I play on.
I have watched people drop.+10k on a monthly event that gives them a special base skin that only last for 30 days.

They have events that reward you for spending.  One of them is a week long $100 a day event.  Another is a $1000 in a week event.


This is a farking video game that you have probably never even heard of.

Some people just have issues with money.

Good grief.  Cocaine and gambling have got nothing on online gaming, apparently.

The thing is, the game has a gambling like mindset.  A lot of the things you can buy are like lottery tickets.

You can buy packs that will give you from 1-3000 gems.  And there are other things like this.  Then you can spend gems on things that can give you anything from a useless thing you don't need to super valuable stuff.

Once a month they release a new base skin which will run about $200.  There are over twenty of of these skins and I know people who have every skin.

It is crazy.
What is weird is I have watched people in chat apologising because they have not been able to spend enough this month or this week to keep growing strong and help the alliance.


These type of games are super popular and I personally stay away from them (although one recently got me for a brief period) as while I find it pretty easy to avoid a $1k money drop, i find it pretty easy to justify small $20-$50 purchases and can be convinced to even grab a $100 purchase if it's valuable enough to my current position. The real problem for me is I have enough disposable income that I could legitimately drop $1k-$2k a month and not really feel the loss for months on end because I have a good income and solid nest egg/emergency fund built up so spending $100 on a recreational activity every now and then isn't a big deal, especially for a game/community I love to participate in.

That said, I have enough self control after seeing the purchases stack up over a few weeks to see how negatively it will impact my finances if I continue and can normally stop and quit before I drop too much on any particular game.

Now, especially for mobile, I tend to stick to the free games I can pay a couple bucks to unlock ad free, that don't have the pay to win scheme and that's enough to keep me happy. I try to set myself a limit of $200 a month on recreational activities which can be new game purchases, computer equipment or even in game purchase. I might not be able to control my impulse buys from time to time but I'm glad I've been able to be pretty religious about sticking to a budget that overall keeps me moving in the right direction financially and still let's me get my kicks and hang out with friends.

It's hard for some people to do that, and I know first hand it the cost add up quickly. Ironically one of the newer tools that I use to keep on top of my spending and squash impulse buys is my Apple Card. Something so simple as being able to see my current up to date balance every time I open the app to spend helps me immensely squash any truly frivolous spending before it happens. So much easier to go "oh, I'm close to my budget, better not" when you always have the balance in front of you... at least for me.
 
2021-05-18 8:30:29 AM  

FrancoFile: Is advertising on social media any more prevalent or persuasive than advertising on TV, in print, on websites, embedded in mobile gaming, etc?


Yes, they are.
 
2021-05-18 8:40:01 AM  
Somebody has to fuel the pyramid scheme that is our economy.
 
2021-05-18 8:47:54 AM  

blastoh: kittyhas1000legs: You could just... not buy stupid shiat?

So I play an alliance based game for fun.  It's one of those free to play, but you can buy extras to speed up your progress kind of games.

They have VIP levels for spenders.  If you spend $1 you are VIP 1. If you spend like $5 you move to VIP 2. I think $25 is vip 3.  Its exponential like that.

It goes to VIP 16.  To get to VIP 16, you have to spend $50,000 on this video game. Even VIP 12 is like $20,000.

I know multiple vip 12-16 players just on the server I play on.
I have watched people drop.+10k on a monthly event that gives them a special base skin that only last for 30 days.

They have events that reward you for spending.  One of them is a week long $100 a day event.  Another is a $1000 in a week event.


This is a farking video game that you have probably never even heard of.

Some people just have issues with money.


Or the person running it could be handing out high end freebies to friends.
 
2021-05-18 8:49:29 AM  
*shrug*
 
2021-05-18 8:53:33 AM  

kittyhas1000legs: You could just... not buy stupid shiat?


but they keep selling them guns!
 
2021-05-18 8:54:05 AM  

IAmRight: FrancoFile: Is advertising on social media any more prevalent or persuasive than advertising on TV, in print, on websites, embedded in mobile gaming, etc?

Yes, they are.


I don't have the hours on social media to estimate the quantity, but ads there will surely be far more influential. The sites know a tremendous amount about your life & likes, and I expect even ads for one product can be effectively tailored to different viewers. Even without that, the content on social media is much more personalized than broadcast tv or print, so even a static advertisement becomes inserted in a fairly personal process. YOU cultivate the content stream, and it's often filled with personal and nearly private interactions. I expect ads are especially effective in that context.
 
2021-05-18 8:59:07 AM  
My parents think I'm crazy for downsizing to a modest home and cutting back my work hours to under 40/week.

I'd rather spend time with my kids than acquire shiat.
 
2021-05-18 9:06:15 AM  

tdyak: blastoh: kittyhas1000legs: You could just... not buy stupid shiat?

So I play an alliance based game for fun.  It's one of those free to play, but you can buy extras to speed up your progress kind of games.

They have VIP levels for spenders.  If you spend $1 you are VIP 1. If you spend like $5 you move to VIP 2. I think $25 is vip 3.  Its exponential like that.

It goes to VIP 16.  To get to VIP 16, you have to spend $50,000 on this video game. Even VIP 12 is like $20,000.

I know multiple vip 12-16 players just on the server I play on.
I have watched people drop.+10k on a monthly event that gives them a special base skin that only last for 30 days.

They have events that reward you for spending.  One of them is a week long $100 a day event.  Another is a $1000 in a week event.


This is a farking video game that you have probably never even heard of.

Some people just have issues with money.

Or the person running it could be handing out high end freebies to friends.


It immediately occurred to me that you probably bootstrap a system like this with staff/early adopters who are given expensive status for free in order to normalize that. Staff probably even take on persona for hard sell/soft sell and contacts are monitored to see which is more effective, potentially tracked to specific payers for followup contacts.
 
2021-05-18 9:22:26 AM  
Social Media:

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2021-05-18 9:22:32 AM  
George Carlin - advertising and bull shit
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2021-05-18 9:49:34 AM  

IAmRight: You can say it's poor impulse control, bit that doesn't really excuse the constant mining of data to exploit the poor impulse control and ability to exploit you at your weakest.

It's like saying it's OK to be a conman/grifter because you're taking from people that make poor decisions.

It's bad enough to tolerate or excuse the actions of those who prey on those weaker than them. It's much worse to encourage them, as social media does.


This is the real problem to me. They have scientifically determined the exact hacks to bang an addict's brain and have carefully calculated the reward pay out and we blame the people victimized by it. Like blaming toddlers for having their lunch money taken from them by Hafnor Bjornnson
 
2021-05-18 11:58:21 AM  

blastoh: OptionC: blastoh: kittyhas1000legs: You could just... not buy stupid shiat?

So I play an alliance based game for fun.  It's one of those free to play, but you can buy extras to speed up your progress kind of games.

They have VIP levels for spenders.  If you spend $1 you are VIP 1. If you spend like $5 you move to VIP 2. I think $25 is vip 3.  Its exponential like that.

It goes to VIP 16.  To get to VIP 16, you have to spend $50,000 on this video game. Even VIP 12 is like $20,000.

I know multiple vip 12-16 players just on the server I play on.
I have watched people drop.+10k on a monthly event that gives them a special base skin that only last for 30 days.

They have events that reward you for spending.  One of them is a week long $100 a day event.  Another is a $1000 in a week event.


This is a farking video game that you have probably never even heard of.

Some people just have issues with money.

Good grief.  Cocaine and gambling have got nothing on online gaming, apparently.

The thing is, the game has a gambling like mindset.  A lot of the things you can buy are like lottery tickets.

You can buy packs that will give you from 1-3000 gems.  And there are other things like this.  Then you can spend gems on things that can give you anything from a useless thing you don't need to super valuable stuff.

Once a month they release a new base skin which will run about $200.  There are over twenty of of these skins and I know people who have every skin.

It is crazy.
What is weird is I have watched people in chat apologising because they have not been able to spend enough this month or this week to keep growing strong and help the alliance.


I'm told a certain online game is 80% financed by exactly one player, who is the grandson of an arab oil baron. To him, money is not any more a real thing than GOLDs. Every other player plays at free or near-free because all the developers are paid out by what this one guy spends; there are whole teams devoted to figuring out what he would like to have in the game. He thinks nothing of dropping $100k+ on a new item.

The online store's pricing structure is kind of bifurcated towards 'aimed at this guy' and 'not aimed at this guy', but they're commingled together to try and normalize his behavior, so he's more likely to spend.
 
2021-05-18 12:29:43 PM  

Rapmaster2000: As much fun as was heaped on the hipster community in the 00s, it turns out that looking and living broke as an aesthetic was the way to go.  I know a lot of aging hipsters and all of them have comfortable 40-something lives because they drank $1 beers at dive bars in their 20s, never went to clubs, and never leased nice cars.


Out of college in my early 20's I bought a new Mazda Protege some friends would make fun of while they were turning around 1-year leases on BMW 3-Series and the like because they felt they needed to drive something that made a statement. Total waste of money. Pure ego.

And now, in my late 40's, that money that went into my 401(k) 25 years ago rather than buying things I didn't need is among the best financial decisions I ever made.
 
2021-05-18 3:25:26 PM  

Sim Tree: blastoh: OptionC: blastoh: kittyhas1000legs: You could just... not buy stupid shiat?

So I play an alliance based game for fun.  It's one of those free to play, but you can buy extras to speed up your progress kind of games.

They have VIP levels for spenders.  If you spend $1 you are VIP 1. If you spend like $5 you move to VIP 2. I think $25 is vip 3.  Its exponential like that.

It goes to VIP 16.  To get to VIP 16, you have to spend $50,000 on this video game. Even VIP 12 is like $20,000.

I know multiple vip 12-16 players just on the server I play on.
I have watched people drop.+10k on a monthly event that gives them a special base skin that only last for 30 days.

They have events that reward you for spending.  One of them is a week long $100 a day event.  Another is a $1000 in a week event.


This is a farking video game that you have probably never even heard of.

Some people just have issues with money.

Good grief.  Cocaine and gambling have got nothing on online gaming, apparently.

The thing is, the game has a gambling like mindset.  A lot of the things you can buy are like lottery tickets.

You can buy packs that will give you from 1-3000 gems.  And there are other things like this.  Then you can spend gems on things that can give you anything from a useless thing you don't need to super valuable stuff.

Once a month they release a new base skin which will run about $200.  There are over twenty of of these skins and I know people who have every skin.

It is crazy.
What is weird is I have watched people in chat apologising because they have not been able to spend enough this month or this week to keep growing strong and help the alliance.

I'm told a certain online game is 80% financed by exactly one player, who is the grandson of an arab oil baron. To him, money is not any more a real thing than GOLDs. Every other player plays at free or near-free because all the developers are paid out by what this one guy spends; there are whole teams devoted to figuring out what he would like to have in the game. He thinks nothing of dropping $100k+ on a new item.

The online store's pricing structure is kind of bifurcated towards 'aimed at this guy' and 'not aimed at this guy', but they're commingled together to try and normalize his behavior, so he's more likely to spend.


https://kotaku.com/someone-spent-over​-​150-000-in-microtransactions-on-a-t-18​39040151
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It's a problem because I have watched people talk about spending money they don't have to keep up with the rest.

At some point, sunken cost fallacy comes into play.

For me the game is a fidget spinner... For other people, it is exactly like watching someone with a gambling problem.
 
2021-05-18 4:27:58 PM  

blastoh: Sim Tree: blastoh: OptionC: blastoh: kittyhas1000legs: You could just... not buy stupid shiat?

So I play an alliance based game for fun.  It's one of those free to play, but you can buy extras to speed up your progress kind of games.

They have VIP levels for spenders.  If you spend $1 you are VIP 1. If you spend like $5 you move to VIP 2. I think $25 is vip 3.  Its exponential like that.

It goes to VIP 16.  To get to VIP 16, you have to spend $50,000 on this video game. Even VIP 12 is like $20,000.

I know multiple vip 12-16 players just on the server I play on.
I have watched people drop.+10k on a monthly event that gives them a special base skin that only last for 30 days.

They have events that reward you for spending.  One of them is a week long $100 a day event.  Another is a $1000 in a week event.


This is a farking video game that you have probably never even heard of.

Some people just have issues with money.

Good grief.  Cocaine and gambling have got nothing on online gaming, apparently.

The thing is, the game has a gambling like mindset.  A lot of the things you can buy are like lottery tickets.

You can buy packs that will give you from 1-3000 gems.  And there are other things like this.  Then you can spend gems on things that can give you anything from a useless thing you don't need to super valuable stuff.

Once a month they release a new base skin which will run about $200.  There are over twenty of of these skins and I know people who have every skin.

It is crazy.
What is weird is I have watched people in chat apologising because they have not been able to spend enough this month or this week to keep growing strong and help the alliance.

I'm told a certain online game is 80% financed by exactly one player, who is the grandson of an arab oil baron. To him, money is not any more a real thing than GOLDs. Every other player plays at free or near-free because all the developers are paid out by what this one guy spends; there are whole teams devoted to figuring out what he would like to have in the game. He thinks nothing of dropping $100k+ on a new item.

The online store's pricing structure is kind of bifurcated towards 'aimed at this guy' and 'not aimed at this guy', but they're commingled together to try and normalize his behavior, so he's more likely to spend.

https://kotaku.com/someone-spent-over-​150-000-in-microtransactions-on-a-t-18​39040151
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It's a problem because I have watched people talk about spending money they don't have to keep up with the rest.

At some point, sunken cost fallacy comes into play.

For me the game is a fidget spinner... For other people, it is exactly like watching someone with a gambling problem.


Being able to just spend money to do better in or win a game seems like it sucks. It's unsportsmanlike.

It's one thing to try to own the best or most appropriate equipment to do the best you can, but purchasing leverage over others to uneven the field in your favor is simply douchetastic.
 
2021-05-18 5:38:17 PM  
Social media can only be as terrible as the people using it.
 
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