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2021-05-17 7:59:09 PM  
The Deep State is a circle of accountability!

The KGB circle of accountability - HBO Chernobyl 2019
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2021-05-17 9:29:09 PM  
I've never been in the military myself, but all the people I've known who were have given me the impression that being active in any politically oriented groups is generally not done if you're active duty. The way it was explained to me is that someone who is in a branch of the military supporting a group could give the impression that that branch supports them as well.
Is (or was) this a thing that is not allowed, or is it just frowned upon?
 
2021-05-17 10:30:41 PM  
They'll send them to the Group W bench.  And we all know what happens on the Group W bench.
 
2021-05-17 10:34:26 PM  

Exluddite: Is (or was) this a thing that is not allowed, or is it just frowned upon?


All military hierarchies are designed so that the opinion of the people below you is not to be taken into consideration.  If you discover that the people below you DO have an opinion, then they are obviously not busy enough soldiering, and maybe need a 60 mile overnight double time march, or perhaps extra tasks until the opinions cease.

Soldiers with time to think are a very dangerous thing.
 
2021-05-17 11:02:48 PM  

Exluddite: I've never been in the military myself, but all the people I've known who were have given me the impression that being active in any politically oriented groups is generally not done if you're active duty. The way it was explained to me is that someone who is in a branch of the military supporting a group could give the impression that that branch supports them as well.
Is (or was) this a thing that is not allowed, or is it just frowned upon?


Essentially correct. You can vote but that's about it. Many flag officers don't even vote until they retire.
 
2021-05-17 11:40:55 PM  
Sounds like some kind of Comedian
 
2021-05-17 11:41:02 PM  
Remember: right-wing extremists believe there is no such thing as right-wing extremism.
 
2021-05-17 11:45:40 PM  

Pants full of macaroni!!: Remember: right-wing extremists believe there is no such thing as right-wing extremism.


Bears repeating: one man's terrorist is another man's freedom fighter.

Be it ISIS or Oath Keepers.
 
2021-05-17 11:46:28 PM  
Yeah, if the US military dug deep and identified and kicked out all the latent and active psychos, we'd have an "elite" force the size of Lichtenstein's.
 
2021-05-17 11:50:27 PM  
This kind of categorical mismatch in allAmerican policing agencies is a sibstantial part of why I think Gorsuch and Biden have acted too slowly to stop the fascist insurrection. They'e worked too sowly without any attempt to promote the people they need. Boht the DoJ and the WH have fallen vitim to the specious reasoning that experience is the only way to become good police. For that, they have no possible route to democratic policing before the elction campaiogns of 2022. They also have no pathway to convict the Trump Administration and its corrupt accomplices. 

That bumper sticker isn't a personal declamation of his political opponents. It is a badge of his social identity, which signifies his critical reflection about those policing experiences. The USA is the wrong country to vaccinate first, since they currently need outside help if they are going to have fair elections next year, and outside help if they are going to gether evidence against the insurrectionists before those campaigns.
 
2021-05-17 11:51:25 PM  

The Pope of Manwich Village: Yeah, if the US military dug deep and identified and kicked out all the latent and active psychos, we'd have an "elite" force the size of Lichtenstein's.


If they are fascists, what does anybody want those troops for in their own countries? They are of no benefit to anyone armed and patrolling.
 
2021-05-17 11:51:30 PM  

Exluddite: I've never been in the military myself, but all the people I've known who were have given me the impression that being active in any politically oriented groups is generally not done if you're active duty. The way it was explained to me is that someone who is in a branch of the military supporting a group could give the impression that that branch supports them as well.
Is (or was) this a thing that is not allowed, or is it just frowned upon?


Most people dumb enough to sign up for the military can't form their own opinions
 
2021-05-17 11:56:52 PM  
The Hatch Act was not enforced among civilian Trump administration members, but it still has teeth among the active duty military. Major violations can end your career. And taking part in extremist politics or actual attempts to overthrow the government are considered major violations.
 
2021-05-17 11:57:48 PM  

Bennie Crabtree: That bumper sticker isn't a personal declamation of his political opponents. It is a badge of his social identity, which signifies his critical reflection about those policing experiences. The USA is the wrong country to vaccinate first, since they currently need outside help if they are going to have fair elections next year, and outside help if they are going to gether evidence against the insurrectionists before those campaigns.


The bumper sticker was just a rhetorical device. It's not actually mentioned in the article.

Exluddite: I've never been in the military myself, but all the people I've known who were have given me the impression that being active in any politically oriented groups is generally not done if you're active duty. The way it was explained to me is that someone who is in a branch of the military supporting a group could give the impression that that branch supports them as well.
Is (or was) this a thing that is not allowed, or is it just frowned upon?


It's not generally done, but it's mostly on the honor system. People recognize that regardless of their political beliefs, it's best to put country first, before oneself.

Unfortunately with the Trump "administration", all pretenses about honor and putting anyone else before oneself went into the gutter. Trump taught that selfishness, suspicion, force and single-minded obsession with sticking it to the other side is the best way.

What we now have is a broad age group that has decided it's far more important to poke the eyes of those they disagree with than work for the betterment of their fellow Americans. This has traditionally marked the definite begin of the decline of most major societies in the past.
 
2021-05-17 11:57:51 PM  
Oh not to worry, pentagon has been monitoring all Americans for quite a few years now.
 
2021-05-18 12:04:00 AM  
The USA is a failed state and has been for several decades. It's like the dinosaur with not enough brains to realise it's running off a cliff and too much momentum to stop even if it did. In 1861 Lincoln should've cut the deep Southern states loose and considered himself lucky.
 
2021-05-18 12:05:59 AM  

Marcus Aurelius: Exluddite: Is (or was) this a thing that is not allowed, or is it just frowned upon?

All military hierarchies are designed so that the opinion of the people below you is not to be taken into consideration.  If you discover that the people below you DO have an opinion, then they are obviously not busy enough soldiering, and maybe need a 60 mile overnight double time march, or perhaps extra tasks until the opinions cease.


This is one of the reasons for why the Air Force was split into its own branch.  The Army will have thousands  privates under a colonel but some groups of the Air Force might have less than a dozen of that rank.  If one of those privates see something they see as a problem, they can ask an officer in the AF, but in the army they need to go find their sergeant or a corporal even if there is a officer within talking distance who isn't doing anything.
 
2021-05-18 12:07:18 AM  
When I was in the military in the 80s, we were VERY strongly advised to never show via speech or actions (such as bumper stickers or talking to ANYONE about opinions while in uniform).  Has that gone out the window?  I don't think so.
 
2021-05-18 12:11:40 AM  
The main problem with programs like this is they suffer from mission creep when they become useful. The patriot act methods for catching extremest terrorists are now used for almost normal policing.

What happens if a future administration wants to retool this to weed out people who are disloyal so they turn the ,military into a fascist supporter?

Trump and his team didn't know what they were doing for the first 3 years and Trump largely followed the rails of business as usual for the first couple. It wasn't until the last year or two where he'd found that he could get away with almost anything that he *really* tried to purge the military and national security apparatus.

Imagine what would happen if he gets another turn in 2024? Or if someone comes in that learned from Trump?

Trump's Presidency was a training run for these guys. They now know exactly what they need to do if they want to run around Congress and expand executive power.

And programs like this will be used by them.
 
2021-05-18 12:21:07 AM  

chitownmike: Exluddite: I've never been in the military myself, but all the people I've known who were have given me the impression that being active in any politically oriented groups is generally not done if you're active duty. The way it was explained to me is that someone who is in a branch of the military supporting a group could give the impression that that branch supports them as well.
Is (or was) this a thing that is not allowed, or is it just frowned upon?

Most people dumb enough to sign up for the military can't form their own opinions


Most people dumb poor enough to sign up for the military can't form their own opinions

Military takes advantage of the lack of options for the poor and minorities. The working class are the ones that truly pay for our wars
 
2021-05-18 12:22:50 AM  

Exluddite: I've never been in the military myself, but all the people I've known who were have given me the impression that being active in any politically oriented groups is generally not done if you're active duty. The way it was explained to me is that someone who is in a branch of the military supporting a group could give the impression that that branch supports them as well.
Is (or was) this a thing that is not allowed, or is it just frowned upon?


Political activities are allowed if you're there as a private citizen with no obvious military affiliation.  Showing up to a political rally in uniform, or writing a political book and declaring "I'm a Lt Col in the United States Space Force" are both violations.

In practice, a lot of folks keep their opinions to themselves, although stuff tends to come out behind closed doors with small groups of friends / coworkers.
 
2021-05-18 12:28:30 AM  

khatores: Bennie Crabtree: That bumper sticker isn't a personal declamation of his political opponents. It is a badge of his social identity, which signifies his critical reflection about those policing experiences. The USA is the wrong country to vaccinate first, since they currently need outside help if they are going to have fair elections next year, and outside help if they are going to gether evidence against the insurrectionists before those campaigns.

The bumper sticker was just a rhetorical device. It's not actually mentioned in the article.

Exluddite: I've never been in the military myself, but all the people I've known who were have given me the impression that being active in any politically oriented groups is generally not done if you're active duty. The way it was explained to me is that someone who is in a branch of the military supporting a group could give the impression that that branch supports them as well.
Is (or was) this a thing that is not allowed, or is it just frowned upon?

It's not generally done, but it's mostly on the honor system. People recognize that regardless of their political beliefs, it's best to put country first, before oneself.

Unfortunately with the Trump "administration", all pretenses about honor and putting anyone else before oneself went into the gutter. Trump taught that selfishness, suspicion, force and single-minded obsession with sticking it to the other side is the best way.

What we now have is a broad age group that has decided it's far more important to poke the eyes of those they disagree with than work for the betterment of their fellow Americans. This has traditionally marked the definite begin of the decline of most major societies in the past.


Nazis. We call them nazis. And thats exactly right; they are all ages.
 
2021-05-18 12:28:36 AM  

Claude Ballse: Pants full of macaroni!!: Remember: right-wing extremists believe there is no such thing as right-wing extremism.

Bears repeating: one man's terrorist is another man's freedom fighter.

Be it ISIS or Oath Keepers.


BLM Vs. Capitol Insurgency.

Mujahideen vs. Russia... Al-Qaeda Vs. "The West"... Taliban Vs. Turkey... ISIS Vs. EVERYBODY!
 
2021-05-18 12:31:06 AM  

ansius: What happens if a future administration wants to retool this to weed out people who are disloyal so they turn the ,military into a fascist supporter?


Abuse of authority is an inherent risk to all governmental powers. There is no known way to design any system of government--and especially any system of law enforcement--that is completely resistant to autocratic takeover.

Keeping autocrats away from the levers of power is, historically, a much more effective way to defend society than kneecapping government out of fear that autocrats will eventually misuse government power.
 
2021-05-18 12:31:53 AM  

khatores: Bennie Crabtree: That bumper sticker isn't a personal declamation of his political opponents. It is a badge of his social identity, which signifies his critical reflection about those policing experiences. The USA is the wrong country to vaccinate first, since they currently need outside help if they are going to have fair elections next year, and outside help if they are going to gether evidence against the insurrectionists before those campaigns.

The bumper sticker was just a rhetorical device. It's not actually mentioned in the article.

Exluddite: I've never been in the military myself, but all the people I've known who were have given me the impression that being active in any politically oriented groups is generally not done if you're active duty. The way it was explained to me is that someone who is in a branch of the military supporting a group could give the impression that that branch supports them as well.
Is (or was) this a thing that is not allowed, or is it just frowned upon?

It's not generally done, but it's mostly on the honor system. People recognize that regardless of their political beliefs, it's best to put country first, before oneself.

Unfortunately with the Trump "administration", all pretenses about honor and putting anyone else before oneself went into the gutter. Trump taught that selfishness, suspicion, force and single-minded obsession with sticking it to the other side is the best way.

What we now have is a broad age group that has decided it's far more important to poke the eyes of those they disagree with than work for the betterment of their fellow Americans. This has traditionally marked the definite begin of the decline of most major societies in the past.


Fark your Teal Blue chariot faction

LEEK GREEN FTW
 
2021-05-18 12:32:51 AM  

Bennie Crabtree: This kind of categorical mismatch in allAmerican policing agencies is a sibstantial part of why I think Gorsuch and Biden have acted too slowly to stop the fascist insurrection. They'e worked too sowly without any attempt to promote the people they need. Boht the DoJ and the WH have fallen vitim to the specious reasoning that experience is the only way to become good police. For that, they have no possible route to democratic policing before the elction campaiogns of 2022. They also have no pathway to convict the Trump Administration and its corrupt accomplices. 

That bumper sticker isn't a personal declamation of his political opponents. It is a badge of his social identity, which signifies his critical reflection about those policing experiences. The USA is the wrong country to vaccinate first, since they currently need outside help if they are going to have fair elections next year, and outside help if they are going to gether evidence against the insurrectionists before those campaigns.


catlike typing detected

/it's okay bro, I'm drunk too
 
2021-05-18 12:40:56 AM  

chitownmike: Exluddite: I've never been in the military myself, but all the people I've known who were have given me the impression that being active in any politically oriented groups is generally not done if you're active duty. The way it was explained to me is that someone who is in a branch of the military supporting a group could give the impression that that branch supports them as well.
Is (or was) this a thing that is not allowed, or is it just frowned upon?

Most people dumb enough to sign up for the military can't form their own opinions


Wow.  You seen like a nice, reasonable fellow.  2/10.
 
2021-05-18 1:20:03 AM  
Why stop at soldiers? Let's roll it out to the masses and red flag everyone who doesn't think the "correct" way!

"AHA, Trump supporter! We are watching you!"

"AHA, voter ID supporter! We are watching you!"

"AHA, legal immigration supporter! We are watching you!"

"AHA, critical thinker! We are watching you!"
 
2021-05-18 1:23:52 AM  

WalkingSedgwick: ansius: What happens if a future administration wants to retool this to weed out people who are disloyal so they turn the ,military into a fascist supporter?

Abuse of authority is an inherent risk to all governmental powers. There is no known way to design any system of government--and especially any system of law enforcement--that is completely resistant to autocratic takeover.

Keeping autocrats away from the levers of power is, historically, a much more effective way to defend society than kneecapping government out of fear that autocrats will eventually misuse government power.


Non-consentual democracy is the future of equitable states. Once the ability to discern preferences in real time on a mass scale exists, communism, capitalism, and democracy become meaningless distinctions, and all before is the basest Fascism.
 
2021-05-18 1:35:53 AM  

GreenSun: Why stop at soldiers? Let's roll it out to the masses and red flag everyone who doesn't think the "correct" way!

"AHA, Trump supporter! We are watching you!"

"AHA, voter ID supporter! We are watching you!"

"AHA, legal immigration supporter! We are watching you!"

"AHA, critical thinker! We are watching you!"


Always appreciate a fellow Sesame Street fan.
 
2021-05-18 1:39:05 AM  
Actually, POV stickers are a good way to identify extremists.

Re: politics: I was quietly politically active. I distinguished myself in 2 ways: a) Sailor Lurk in uniform who did not identify himself with any particular group, and b) Civilian Lurk who privately & quietly voted & contributed to causes & campaigns but stayed out of camera. Anyone who wears a uniform to a political rally us an idiot. I knew an idiot who decided to give an intetview at a KKK rally at Stone Mtn, GA circa 1992. His life became a merry hell after that. Don't wear your uniform or use your rank, any part of it, and look for & avoid cameras.
 
2021-05-18 1:54:51 AM  
Subby has obviously never paid to expedite a passport renewal only to get a sit-down with a retired grunt turned civil servant who berates you endlessly for half an hour before promising you nothing and slowing the whole process down by purposely losing your paperwork.
 
2021-05-18 2:40:14 AM  
I figured that was what Light Antitank Weapons were for.
 
2021-05-18 3:15:35 AM  

doofusgumby: When I was in the military in the 80s, we were VERY strongly advised to never show via speech or actions (such as bumper stickers or talking to ANYONE about opinions while in uniform).  Has that gone out the window?  I don't think so.


You tell me.

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2021-05-18 3:30:56 AM  

GreenSun: Why stop at soldiers? Let's roll it out to the masses and red flag everyone who doesn't think the "correct" way!

"AHA, Trump supporter! We are watching you!"

"AHA, voter ID supporter! We are watching you!"

"AHA, legal immigration supporter! We are watching you!"

"AHA, critical thinker! We are watching you!"


Why are only losers and nose-picking trailer trash being persecuted in your fantasy?
Don't the your imaginary authoritarians pick on any good people?
 
2021-05-18 4:05:18 AM  
jso2897:

Why are only losers and nose-picking trailer trash being persecuted in your fantasy?
Don't the your imaginary authoritarians pick on any good people?


I assume you only focused on one group (Trump supporters). I can't imagine anyone thinking that supporting voter id, legal immigration, and critical thinking to be "losers and nose-picking trailer trash" lol!
 
2021-05-18 4:07:36 AM  

GreenSun: jso2897:

Why are only losers and nose-picking trailer trash being persecuted in your fantasy?
Don't the your imaginary authoritarians pick on any good people?

I assume you only focused on one group (Trump supporters). I can't imagine anyone thinking that supporting voter id, legal immigration, and critical thinking to be "losers and nose-picking trailer trash" lol!


We can see through the double talk.
 
2021-05-18 4:33:31 AM  

cynicalbastard: The USA is a failed state and has been for several decades. It's like the dinosaur with not enough brains to realise it's running off a cliff and too much momentum to stop even if it did. In 1861 Lincoln should've cut the deep Southern states loose and considered himself lucky.


WW1...and, therefore, WW2...would've looked different.
 
2021-05-18 4:37:15 AM  

Gyrfalcon: I figured that was what Light Antitank Weapons were for.


Lay down the LAW?
 
2021-05-18 5:02:20 AM  

PunGent: cynicalbastard: The USA is a failed state and has been for several decades. It's like the dinosaur with not enough brains to realise it's running off a cliff and too much momentum to stop even if it did. In 1861 Lincoln should've cut the deep Southern states loose and considered himself lucky.

WW1...and, therefore, WW2...would've looked different.


WW1? Questionable.
 
2021-05-18 6:01:28 AM  
I think the ability to see what your servicepeople  are posting isn't a bad thing from a chain of command point of view but I doubt the way they're going about it, if laws matter again, will survive legal challenges.
 
2021-05-18 6:08:29 AM  

GreenSun: Why stop at soldiers? Let's roll it out to the masses and red flag everyone who doesn't think the "correct" way!

"AHA, Trump supporter! We are watching you!"

"AHA, voter ID supporter! We are watching you!"

"AHA, legal immigration supporter! We are watching you!"

"AHA, critical thinker! We are watching you!"


Thanks for the laugh.  You guys think with your skin.
 
2021-05-18 6:11:38 AM  
Batou: Chief, you've ever questioned the ethics of the neuro-surgeons who monkey around inside your brain?

Chief Aramaki: They undergo constant psychological evaluations, especially those in security, as well as a stringent screening of their personal lives.  Of course the ones who check... are only human.

Batou: I guess once you start doubting there's no end to it.
 
2021-05-18 6:36:24 AM  

GreenSun: Why stop at soldiers? Let's roll it out to the masses and red flag everyone who doesn't think the "correct" way!

"AHA, Trump supporter! We are watching you!"


This seems like a good idea, actually. As I recall, they're the ones who attempted to overthrow the government.
 
2021-05-18 8:03:43 AM  

Pants full of macaroni!!: GreenSun: Why stop at soldiers? Let's roll it out to the masses and red flag everyone who doesn't think the "correct" way!

"AHA, Trump supporter! We are watching you!"

"AHA, voter ID supporter! We are watching you!"

"AHA, legal immigration supporter! We are watching you!"

"AHA, critical thinker! We are watching you!"

Thanks for the laugh.  You guys think with your skin.


That's the issue.  They don't actually think.

They let the wealthy and corporate types do that for them.
 
2021-05-18 8:08:48 AM  

GreenSun: Why stop at soldiers? Let's roll it out to the masses and red flag everyone who doesn't think the "correct" way!

"AHA, Trump supporter! We are watching you!"

"AHA, voter ID supporter! We are watching you!"

"AHA, legal immigration supporter! We are watching you!"

"AHA, critical thinker! We are watching you!"


If you say something political on social media or slap political bumper stickers on your car, can you really claim any privacy about your politics?
 
2021-05-18 8:29:39 AM  
Show us on the doll where the sticker hurt you

XD Pathetic
 
2021-05-18 8:37:19 AM  

cynicalbastard: PunGent: cynicalbastard: The USA is a failed state and has been for several decades. It's like the dinosaur with not enough brains to realise it's running off a cliff and too much momentum to stop even if it did. In 1861 Lincoln should've cut the deep Southern states loose and considered himself lucky.

WW1...and, therefore, WW2...would've looked different.

WW1? Questionable.


Not that questionable, really. Think about all the shiat that went down in the 50 years between Appomattox and Frank Ferdinand's ill-fated drive. The Spanish-American War. The Franco-Prussian War. The social upheavals in Mexico and Russia that resulted in revolutions. The Boxer Rebellion and the 10/10 Revolution. The Dawes Act. This is just the merest scratch of the surface, yeah? And some of it plays out very differently indeed if there is a working CSA.
 
2021-05-18 9:04:41 AM  

Exluddite: I've never been in the military myself, but all the people I've known who were have given me the impression that being active in any politically oriented groups is generally not done if you're active duty. The way it was explained to me is that someone who is in a branch of the military supporting a group could give the impression that that branch supports them as well.
Is (or was) this a thing that is not allowed, or is it just frowned upon?


The problem will be with everyone else that you have permitted access. Think good ole crazy uncle joe and his stories about vietnam or they're taking our jerbs friend.

At least we get to feel safe since now you are guilty until proven innocent so we have that going for us. Which is good.
 
2021-05-18 9:07:04 AM  

Pants full of macaroni!!: Remember: right-wing extremists believe there is no such thing as right-wing extremism.


Wanting things to remain the same is extreme?
 
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