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2021-05-17 7:10:22 PM  
FTFA;

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YIKES
 
2021-05-17 7:38:44 PM  
Two weeks from now we'll have a followup story about how he emailed his bosses separately about the crack and they said not to put it in the report.
 
2021-05-17 8:01:45 PM  

ShavedOrangutan: Two weeks from now we'll have a followup story about how he emailed his bosses separately about the crack and they said not to put it in the report.


A few years back, I spoke to a couple people bridge inspectors from Arkansas. The guy who got fired may have been one of them, I haven't looked into it to figure out who got canned yet.

The way they described the overall bridge inspection process to me was something like "We grade bridges on a 1-10 scale on a bunch of different aspects. A few of those aspects have to get a 4 or above, or the bridge is considered so unsafe that it has to be closed. We aren't exactly pressured to give a 4 on all of those aspects, or to say a bridge is safe when it isn't... But we are definitely reminded how much discretion we have when determining the 'appropriate' grade to give -- if something is a genuine toss-up between 3 (unsafe) and 4 (safe-ish), we'll almost always pick 4 for that reason."

I could have gotten some details about pass/fail points or something wrong there, but the point stands -- they get a ton of flexibility in grading, and are subtly (though not directly) guided towards grading in a way that left the bridges open for use.

I want to say the estimate they had was that something like 60% of bridges fell into that range, where the inspector's mood that day had as much to do with the bridge staying open as anything.

This was all under the previous director of the DOT, and I wouldn't be surprised if things were changing with Lorie in charge.
 
2021-05-17 8:56:10 PM  
the I-40 bridge repair will be conducted in two phases, and both steps must be completed
before the bridge can be reopened for road traffic


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2021-05-17 8:58:01 PM  
And how much did the crack progress from the last inspection?
 
2021-05-17 9:04:24 PM  

ryebread: they get a ton of flexibility in grading, and are subtly (though not directly) guided towards grading in a way that left the bridges open for use


I should say that I got the impression a lot of this pressure was self-imposed -- I genuinely never heard of management pushing for higher grades.

But, you know, nobody wants to be the bearer of bad news, and if you get it wrong and shut things down for no reason that's not a great look, and you'd have to defend that to your boss's boss's boss, and maybe it's borderline, but it will probably be fine until the next inspection, and then it'll be someone else's problem... So... Yeah, maybe we'll just call it a "low 4", and fingers crossed.
 
2021-05-17 10:34:51 PM  

I am Tom Joad's Complete Lack of Surprise: FTFA;

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YIKES


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2021-05-17 10:48:15 PM  

labman: And how much did the crack progress from the last inspection?


Based on the pic: Graduate School.
 
2021-05-17 11:49:32 PM  
A little Bondo and problem solved
 
2021-05-18 12:45:03 AM  

johnny_vegas: A little Bondo and problem solved


Some fiberglass sheets and epoxy. Maybe even some load bearing asbestos, if we have the budget.
 
2021-05-18 12:45:22 AM  

I am Tom Joad's Complete Lack of Surprise: FTFA;

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YIKES


Eh, some gorilla glue and duct tape will fix that up
 
2021-05-18 12:45:40 AM  
How do they know the crack wasn't there last time he checked?
 
2021-05-18 12:49:39 AM  
Is this the part where Elon Musk swoops in with a team of robots to wrap that beam with carbon fiber in-situ, making it 10x stronger than when it was originally manufactured?

/whats that? tunnel under the river instead?
//sure, why not
 
2021-05-18 12:51:29 AM  

MythDragon: How do they know the crack wasn't there last time he checked?


This being Fark, I embarrassed to say I read the article and know the answer to that. Archival drone footage.
 
2021-05-18 12:52:36 AM  
For a long time, "bridge inspector" was probably a job you get from your uncle or your frat buddy at college, and you got paid pretty good and basically don't do anything except fill out some paperwork. And you could get away with not doing anything because bridges didn't have problems.
 
2021-05-18 12:54:54 AM  

ryebread: The way they described the overall bridge inspection process to me was something like "We grade bridges on a 1-10 scale on a bunch of different aspects. A few of those aspects have to get a 4 or above, or the bridge is considered so unsafe that it has to be closed. We aren't exactly pressured to give a 4 on all of those aspects, or to say a bridge is safe when it isn't... But we are definitely reminded how much discretion we have when determining the 'appropriate' grade to give -- if something is a genuine toss-up between 3 (unsafe) and 4 (safe-ish), we'll almost always pick 4 for that reason."


So, in your professional opinion, is that crack a 3 or a 4?
 
2021-05-18 12:56:24 AM  

MythDragon: How do they know the crack wasn't there last time he checked?


Drones picked this up in 2019.
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The inspector that was supposed to be reviewing that footage to find problems? Yeah, seems like they missed that.

Whoops!
 
2021-05-18 12:59:13 AM  

Remnants of Santa: ryebread: The way they described the overall bridge inspection process to me was something like "We grade bridges on a 1-10 scale on a bunch of different aspects. A few of those aspects have to get a 4 or above, or the bridge is considered so unsafe that it has to be closed. We aren't exactly pressured to give a 4 on all of those aspects, or to say a bridge is safe when it isn't... But we are definitely reminded how much discretion we have when determining the 'appropriate' grade to give -- if something is a genuine toss-up between 3 (unsafe) and 4 (safe-ish), we'll almost always pick 4 for that reason."

So, in your professional opinion, is that crack a 3 or a 4?


I'm pretty sure a 3 means "Wait, what bridge?", so... 4?
 
2021-05-18 1:08:14 AM  
The unnamed inspector, pictured below, is expected to file lawsuit because he wasn't provided cool drones and stuff to make his job high tech and not sweaty or so much time around dangerous sharp edges.

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2021-05-18 1:09:06 AM  

ryebread: ryebread: they get a ton of flexibility in grading, and are subtly (though not directly) guided towards grading in a way that left the bridges open for use

I should say that I got the impression a lot of this pressure was self-imposed -- I genuinely never heard of management pushing for higher grades.

But, you know, nobody wants to be the bearer of bad news, and if you get it wrong and shut things down for no reason that's not a great look, and you'd have to defend that to your boss's boss's boss, and maybe it's borderline, but it will probably be fine until the next inspection, and then it'll be someone else's problem... So... Yeah, maybe we'll just call it a "low 4", and fingers crossed.


Then the right thing to do is recommend further inspection of the particular span.  There is no shame in getting a second opinion and it covers your ass either way.
 
2021-05-18 1:10:44 AM  
They'll come up with a fix.
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2021-05-18 1:11:47 AM  
Was he fired for not finding the problem last year, of was he fired for finding the problem last week instead of covering it up again?
 
2021-05-18 1:12:56 AM  

OgreMagi: Then the right thing to do is recommend further inspection of the particular span.  There is no shame in getting a second opinion and it covers your ass either way.


Then what's the point of wearing chaps? Think, man, think!
 
2021-05-18 1:15:38 AM  

ryebread: MythDragon: How do they know the crack wasn't there last time he checked?

Drones picked this up in 2019.
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The inspector that was supposed to be reviewing that footage to find problems? Yeah, seems like they missed that.

Whoops!


So in the last 18 months it progressed from ~75% of the way through the bridge member to 100%, we're damn lucky that wasn't a repeat of the I35W but with way more traffic.
 
2021-05-18 1:18:01 AM  
I haven't been able to find out just where on the span the break is. Since it was an Arkansas inspector I assume it is somewhere on the western half, but there's a LOT of bridge west of center...
 
2021-05-18 1:19:46 AM  

Jeff5: I haven't been able to find out just where on the span the break is. Since it was an Arkansas inspector I assume it is somewhere on the western half, but there's a LOT of bridge west of center...


I believe Arkansas is completely responsible for the bridge but the two states share costs on it so it could be anywhere on the bridge.
 
2021-05-18 1:25:20 AM  

robodog: Jeff5: I haven't been able to find out just where on the span the break is. Since it was an Arkansas inspector I assume it is somewhere on the western half, but there's a LOT of bridge west of center...

I believe Arkansas is completely responsible for the bridge but the two states share costs on it so it could be anywhere on the bridge.


Found it. Arkansas does inspections, Tennessee does repairs, and the break is about the middle of the "M"...

https://www.commercialappeal.com/stor​y​/news/2021/05/12/tennessee-department-​of-transportation-updates-closed-40-br​idge/5055208001/
 
2021-05-18 1:26:28 AM  

ryebread: MythDragon: How do they know the crack wasn't there last time he checked?

Drones picked this up in 2019.
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The inspector that was supposed to be reviewing that footage to find problems? Yeah, seems like they missed that.

Whoops!


I graduated with that degree.

I am not shocked. Too many fratboys who had the attention span of a gnat are CEs.
 
2021-05-18 1:28:04 AM  
So, this "person" just gets to walk?  They get to keep all the pay we as taxpayers paid them for not doing the work we paid them to do?  Seems like a soft landing for whoever got to sit in their ass and bait all day instead of reviewing drone footage.

Put the "person" in the uranium mines and replace the? With AI that can flag questionable areas for manual review, and randomized review of images to spot check the AI.  When the AI  succeeds when this person failed, start feeding it parts of the failure humxn.  Make the AI crave human flesh.
 
2021-05-18 1:32:49 AM  
Up where i live we have a dam thats been here since 1912, which was topped wirh a 2 lane road bridge in 1921. Standing on it in 2004 with a concrete truck rolling over it you could physically feel the vibration of the road. Caltrans designed and built an amazing arch bridge just below the old one. I made video of several of the blasting events. Our gas tax dollars at work for once...
 
2021-05-18 1:34:50 AM  

ryebread: MythDragon: How do they know the crack wasn't there last time he checked?

Drones picked this up in 2019.
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The inspector that was supposed to be reviewing that footage to find problems? Yeah, seems like they missed that.

Whoops!


Why is it just one Inspector looking at this stuff? Several people could be looking at drone footage. In fact, it could be made publicly available so that anyone could inspect public infrastructure in their free time and point out anything that looks off (like a giant crack).

I would be fine with inspecting significant portions of highways and bridges that I travel over regularly.
 
2021-05-18 1:35:36 AM  
 2+2 does not equal 5
 
2021-05-18 1:35:48 AM  
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Did someone say crack? I-40 bridge here I COME!!!
 
2021-05-18 1:42:34 AM  

khatores: ryebread: MythDragon: How do they know the crack wasn't there last time he checked?

Drones picked this up in 2019.
[Fark user image image 850x471]

The inspector that was supposed to be reviewing that footage to find problems? Yeah, seems like they missed that.

Whoops!

Why is it just one Inspector looking at this stuff? Several people could be looking at drone footage. In fact, it could be made publicly available so that anyone could inspect public infrastructure in their free time and point out anything that looks off (like a giant crack).

I would be fine with inspecting significant portions of highways and bridges that I travel over regularly.


Having non-professionals give their input, perish the thought. In many states you'd be charged with performing as an engineer without a license unless you went to the media and had the story go viral (seriously, it's happened at least a half dozen times in the last decade that I'm aware of).
 
2021-05-18 1:43:03 AM  

bearded clamorer: the I-40 bridge repair will be conducted in two phases, and both steps must be completed
before the bridge can be reopened for road traffic

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Sad thing is, you did use it the damn thing would probably stay up another 20 years.

/not actually recommending that
//obviously not the way to fix something like a bridge that's that critical
///but damn does it hold when it works
 
2021-05-18 1:44:02 AM  

skiinstructor: Up where i live we have a dam thats been here since 1912, which was topped wirh a 2 lane road bridge in 1921. Standing on it in 2004 with a concrete truck rolling over it you could physically feel the vibration of the road. Caltrans designed and built an amazing arch bridge just below the old one. I made video of several of the blasting events. Our gas tax dollars at work for once...


Are you implying there is something wrong with that dam?
 
2021-05-18 1:53:09 AM  

Some Junkie Cosmonaut: bearded clamorer: the I-40 bridge repair will be conducted in two phases, and both steps must be completed
before the bridge can be reopened for road traffic

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Sad thing is, you did use it the damn thing would probably stay up another 20 years.

/not actually recommending that
//obviously not the way to fix something like a bridge that's that critical
///but damn does it hold when it works


Sheer strength of JB Weld is ~1,200 psi, mild steel 50,000 psi. Since the steel sheered I think it's safe to say that JB wouldn't last long =)
 
2021-05-18 2:05:58 AM  
That's not a crack. That's a big-ass steel beam that has been severed in two.
 
2021-05-18 2:14:09 AM  
Bridge Inspector: "That crack wasn't there last inspection."
Bridge Inspector Supervisor: 'Dude, the exposed metal is completely corroded!"
Bridge Inspector: "The sun was in my eyes! I ran out of gas. I... I had a flat tire. I didn't have enough money for cab fare. My tux didn't come back from the cleaners. An old friend came in from out of town. Someone stole my car. There was an earthquake. A terrible flood. Locusts! IT WASN'T MY FAULT, I SWEAR TO GOD!"
 
2021-05-18 2:15:20 AM  
To be fair, Arkansas can't even get bridges to fail when packed with explosives.

Raw: Arkansas Bridge Withstands Demolition Blast
Youtube m5mxjzDbECg


This little crack? It's probably fine.
 
2021-05-18 2:18:49 AM  

robodog: Some Junkie Cosmonaut: bearded clamorer: the I-40 bridge repair will be conducted in two phases, and both steps must be completed
before the bridge can be reopened for road traffic

[Fark user image 324x500]

Sad thing is, you did use it the damn thing would probably stay up another 20 years.

/not actually recommending that
//obviously not the way to fix something like a bridge that's that critical
///but damn does it hold when it works

Sheer strength of JB Weld is ~1,200 psi, mild steel 50,000 psi. Since the steel sheered I think it's safe to say that JB wouldn't last long =)


You'd think that - hell I'd think that.  And I've seen it hold up in some of the damndest situations...

/there is no way in hell any sane person depends on it
//hell even insane people unless there's literally no other choice that's not even worse
///sometimes it even fails way below what the specs for the epoxy are too
////but man when it decides to hold... sheesh
 
2021-05-18 2:19:31 AM  

robodog: Some Junkie Cosmonaut: bearded clamorer: the I-40 bridge repair will be conducted in two phases, and both steps must be completed
before the bridge can be reopened for road traffic

[Fark user image 324x500]

Sad thing is, you did use it the damn thing would probably stay up another 20 years.

/not actually recommending that
//obviously not the way to fix something like a bridge that's that critical
///but damn does it hold when it works

Sheer strength of JB Weld is ~1,200 psi, mild steel 50,000 psi. Since the steel sheered I think it's safe to say that JB wouldn't last long =)


Yeah, this is really more of a duct tape job, anyway.
 
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2021-05-18 2:20:24 AM  
Mother's backs matter
 
2021-05-18 2:23:35 AM  

skiinstructor: Up where i live we have a dam thats been here since 1912, which was topped wirh a 2 lane road bridge in 1921. Standing on it in 2004 with a concrete truck rolling over it you could physically feel the vibration of the road. Caltrans designed and built an amazing arch bridge just below the old one. I made video of several of the blasting events.


Sounds like you're talking about Big Bear Lake? That dam is a multiple arch concrete buttress dam, one of the most elegant and efficient dam types, mostly shut down as an overreaction to the St. Francis Dam disaster (because of course the correct response to an avoidable disaster caused by an untrained non-engineer is obviously to reject out of hand any dam that relies on engineering rather than pure mass).

https://www.amazon.com/Building-Ultim​a​te-Dam-Eastwood-Control/dp/0806137339 is a good book on the design, the designer, and the history of the of this type of dam, if you're into that sort of thing.
 
2021-05-18 2:26:28 AM  

robodog: khatores: ryebread: MythDragon: How do they know the crack wasn't there last time he checked?

Drones picked this up in 2019.
[Fark user image image 850x471]

The inspector that was supposed to be reviewing that footage to find problems? Yeah, seems like they missed that.

Whoops!

Why is it just one Inspector looking at this stuff? Several people could be looking at drone footage. In fact, it could be made publicly available so that anyone could inspect public infrastructure in their free time and point out anything that looks off (like a giant crack).

I would be fine with inspecting significant portions of highways and bridges that I travel over regularly.

Having non-professionals give their input, perish the thought. In many states you'd be charged with performing as an engineer without a license unless you went to the media and had the story go viral (seriously, it's happened at least a half dozen times in the last decade that I'm aware of).


I think I've heard of at least one of those cases.

Personally I'd be fine with the public re-checking my work if it were a life-or-death issue. Or at least a second or third Inspector going over the work and making sure we all got close to the same conclusions. Presumably these people have to drive over bridges too?
 
2021-05-18 2:36:51 AM  
The sweet thing is that all the extra traffic diverting across the old I-55 bridge, known locally as "The Old Bridge", now get to experience the bounce.

It literally bounces.

Nobody would be real surprised to wake up to a news report that the Old Bridge fell into the river overnight.
 
2021-05-18 3:04:33 AM  
Sum Dum Gai:   Yeah, this is really more of a duct tape job, anyway.

We got Marines on here again?  Dammit there goes the neighborhood...

/once again there's a sad part
//they could make the duct tape work
///long enough to get a couple platoons and some support vehicles over it at least
 
2021-05-18 3:07:19 AM  
The Arkansas Trucking Association on Friday estimated the closure would cost the trucking industry at least $2.4 million a day.

Then maybe the trucking industry, disproportionately responsible for most of the wear-and-tear on our nation's roads, should consider doing something about it.
 
2021-05-18 3:32:41 AM  

puffy999: ryebread: MythDragon: How do they know the crack wasn't there last time he checked?

Drones picked this up in 2019.
[Fark user image 850x471]

The inspector that was supposed to be reviewing that footage to find problems? Yeah, seems like they missed that.

Whoops!

I graduated with that degree.

I am not shocked. Too many fratboys who had the attention span of a gnat are CEs.


You misspelled "most of"
 
2021-05-18 4:12:17 AM  

bearded clamorer: the I-40 bridge repair will be conducted in two phases, and both steps must be completed
before the bridge can be reopened for road traffic

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