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2021-05-17 9:10:20 AM  
Ain't nuthin' gonna hurr durr derp derp derp
 
2021-05-17 9:17:20 AM  
In both cases, the political geography doesn't favor former President Donald Trump. In New York, said Banzhaf, Vance is not running for another term and "just might want to end his already-illustrious career with a bang."

Dude, what? Cy Vance Jr illustrious? Look up how he handled both Epstein and Weinstein. He's more likely hoping to re-write his legacy from coddler of the elite to Guy Who Got Trump.
 
2021-05-17 9:18:32 AM  

JerseyTim: In both cases, the political geography doesn't favor former President Donald Trump. In New York, said Banzhaf, Vance is not running for another term and "just might want to end his already-illustrious career with a bang."

Dude, what? Cy Vance Jr illustrious? Look up how he handled both Epstein and Weinstein. He's more likely hoping to re-write his legacy from coddler of the elite to Guy Who Got Trump.


I'm good with that.
 
2021-05-17 9:32:43 AM  
I see they're already trying to frame it as a political witch hunt.

That's probably why he's trying to get back into politics, so he can get his salivating morons to make it an issue and muddy the waters around his criminal activities.

Christ, what an asshole.
 
2021-05-17 9:52:32 AM  

MrBallou: I see they're already trying to frame it as a political witch hunt.

That's probably why he's trying to get back into politics, so he can get his salivating morons to make it an issue and muddy the waters around his criminal activities.

Christ, what an asshole.


Yup.
 
2021-05-17 10:14:52 AM  
Be nice to see Trump in jail, after trial.

/unfortunately, a jail term didn't slow down Adolph
 
2021-05-17 10:17:39 AM  

cretinbob: Ain't nuthin' gonna hurr durr derp derp derp


but it didn't happen immediately and dramatically, so it must not be happening!

like I get that everyone's overly pessimistic after the Mueller report hit with a big wet thud, but to continue to do so because Trump wasn't immediately slapped into handcuffs after leaving the White House is extremely shortsighted
 
2021-05-17 10:20:27 AM  

cretinbob: Ain't nuthin' gonna hurr durr derp derp derp


That's what I thought until I read this part:
"Manhattan District Attorney Cyrus Vance Jr. has added a forensic accountant in his investigation of old Trump financial deals and taxes."

If you've ever had experience with forensic accountants then you know these guys are not your average nerds.  They are quite badass.
 
2021-05-17 10:20:38 AM  
Ever take an exam, a 96% is really good. Indictments and subpoenas are not coming in 96% of states.
 
2021-05-17 10:20:42 AM  
The Trump era left me jaded enough to not be satisfied until this bastard is being frogmarched off to jail, appeals exhausted, his land holdings confiscated, and his children being hunted by Interpol and sheltering in the same hotel Snowden's at.
 
2021-05-17 10:21:15 AM  

PunGent: Be nice to see Trump in jail, after trial.

/unfortunately, a jail term didn't slow down Adolph



Adolph wasn't 74 years old when he went to jail
 
2021-05-17 10:22:46 AM  
Oh for the love of all that is great and small...  I'll believe it when I farking see it.

In my view, that dude has gotten away with everything, and there is no reason at all to believe he will be held accountable.  Ever.

And if you need any manner of proof of this, look no further than the GOP parading their Cheney replacement out to the press so she can proudly tell the world how Drumpf is still such an important part of their party.

We have actually entered brain damaged territory here.

They are still toying with the idea of running him again in 2024.  And by all accounts, they are exhibiting no concern whatsoever about any of this other stuff.
 
2021-05-17 10:23:14 AM  

MrBallou: I see they're already trying to frame it as a political witch hunt.

That's probably why he's trying to get back into politics, so he can get his salivating morons to make it an issue and muddy the waters around his criminal activities.

Christ, what an asshole.


He's the head of an asshole-family, and was raised by an asshole himself. Some families produce generation after generation of assholes.
 
2021-05-17 10:23:28 AM  

PunGent: Be nice to see Trump in jail, after trial.

/unfortunately, a jail term didn't slow down Adolph


Adolf was much younger for his times in prison and far less syphilis ridden.
 
2021-05-17 10:23:34 AM  
No they're not. Trump isn't getting indicted. He isn't paying any fines. He's going to live to be 98 years old in excellent health and will likely be elected president again in 2024.

Why do we keep beating ourselves up with this "Trump's gonna get it now!" kind of BS? He's not. Nothing sticks to him. There is no prosecutor willing to set the precedent of prosecuting a former president. None. Zero. They'll talk tough and shake the tree until a bunch of underlings like Rudy fall out, but as far as Trump or anyone in his family actually seeing any consequences? Pfffft. Ain't gonna happen.
 
2021-05-17 10:25:13 AM  
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But I've also seen that man do whatever the fark he wanted for his entire life even before he had an armed cult at his back and a bunch of elected officials smoothing the way for him.

Let's say I'll be gleefully surprised if he is ever held accountable for anything because it will literally be a first for him.
 
2021-05-17 10:26:16 AM  

Cache: cretinbob: Ain't nuthin' gonna hurr durr derp derp derp

That's what I thought until I read this part:
"Manhattan District Attorney Cyrus Vance Jr. has added a forensic accountant in his investigation of old Trump financial deals and taxes."

If you've ever had experience with forensic accountants then you know these guys are not your average nerds.  They are quite badass.


also? they take a while.

I have no idea how labyrinthine Trump's financial records are, but it's definitely more than a 1040EZ filled out with TurboTax, y'know?
 
2021-05-17 10:26:54 AM  
"I love the smell of impending doom in the morning."
 
2021-05-17 10:28:06 AM  

bainsguy: cretinbob: Ain't nuthin' gonna hurr durr derp derp derp

but it didn't happen immediately and dramatically, so it must not be happening!

like I get that everyone's overly pessimistic after the Mueller report hit with a big wet thud, but to continue to do so because Trump wasn't immediately slapped into handcuffs after leaving the White House is extremely shortsighted


The reason the Mueller report wasn't the event it was hoped it would be was because the AG basically snuffed it before the public got to see it and then issued his own "version" of events that whitewashed it all. It wasn't that the report wasn't damning, it's that the AG blunted whatever impact it may have made to protect the former President.
 
2021-05-17 10:28:08 AM  
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2021-05-17 10:29:30 AM  
Well.... we're waiting...
 
2021-05-17 10:29:38 AM  

JerkStore: No they're not. Trump isn't getting indicted. He isn't paying any fines. He's going to live to be 98 years old in excellent health and will likely be elected president again in 2024.

Why do we keep beating ourselves up with this "Trump's gonna get it now!" kind of BS? He's not. Nothing sticks to him. There is no prosecutor willing to set the precedent of prosecuting a former president. None. Zero. They'll talk tough and shake the tree until a bunch of underlings like Rudy fall out, but as far as Trump or anyone in his family actually seeing any consequences? Pfffft. Ain't gonna happen.


How do defeatist lies help anything? How does a sicky 74-year-old who thinks exercise drains his life-battery become a 98-year-old in excellent health? Trump needed to change his lifestyle in the 1980s to live to a healthy 98. It's much too late for that now.
 
2021-05-17 10:29:41 AM  
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2021-05-17 10:29:46 AM  

zappaisfrank: bainsguy: cretinbob: Ain't nuthin' gonna hurr durr derp derp derp

but it didn't happen immediately and dramatically, so it must not be happening!

like I get that everyone's overly pessimistic after the Mueller report hit with a big wet thud, but to continue to do so because Trump wasn't immediately slapped into handcuffs after leaving the White House is extremely shortsighted

The reason the Mueller report wasn't the event it was hoped it would be was because the AG basically snuffed it before the public got to see it and then issued his own "version" of events that whitewashed it all. It wasn't that the report wasn't damning, it's that the AG blunted whatever impact it may have made to protect the former President.


Huh? All I remember is 'no collusion'. Case closed.
 
2021-05-17 10:31:05 AM  
For any intelligent person, even one who isn't wealthy, such an indictment wouldn't be fun, but it also wouldn't guarantee prison. Get a competent attorney, pay him (or her), negotiate a "guilty, but not guilty" deal, pay more money, and then disappear for six months or a year before slowly working to rehab your reputation. It's a time honored tradition among aristocrats, bankers, and executives all across the world.

Since this is 45**, though... He isn't intelligent, he won't listen to those around him who are, he can't find a competent attorney willing to represent him, and he wouldn't pay them even if he could. He is even worse at negotiating legal agreements than real estate deals, and he would literally have a stroke if he were forced to go without attention for a full week, let alone months.

So, this is actually going to be pretty fun to watch, no matter how it turns out.
 
2021-05-17 10:31:07 AM  

Subtonic: zappaisfrank: bainsguy: cretinbob: Ain't nuthin' gonna hurr durr derp derp derp

but it didn't happen immediately and dramatically, so it must not be happening!

like I get that everyone's overly pessimistic after the Mueller report hit with a big wet thud, but to continue to do so because Trump wasn't immediately slapped into handcuffs after leaving the White House is extremely shortsighted

The reason the Mueller report wasn't the event it was hoped it would be was because the AG basically snuffed it before the public got to see it and then issued his own "version" of events that whitewashed it all. It wasn't that the report wasn't damning, it's that the AG blunted whatever impact it may have made to protect the former President.

Huh? All I remember is 'no collusion'. Case closed.


"Obstruction of Justice"...that was part of the package as well. Barr snuffed that and never pursued it.
 
2021-05-17 10:32:23 AM  
Is it time?
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2021-05-17 10:32:26 AM  
Yes, yes, the ball tickling is all well and fun, but I'm tired of being teased.

I won't start getting excited until he's actually sitting in front of a judge or jury.
 
2021-05-17 10:32:54 AM  

cretinbob: Ain't nuthin' gonna hurr durr derp derp derp


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2021-05-17 10:33:26 AM  

bainsguy: cretinbob: Ain't nuthin' gonna hurr durr derp derp derp

but it didn't happen immediately and dramatically, so it must not be happening!

like I get that everyone's overly pessimistic after the Mueller report hit with a big wet thud, but to continue to do so because Trump wasn't immediately slapped into handcuffs after leaving the White House is extremely shortsighted


The Mueller report. And the rest of Trump's life of crime. And the lack of accountability for white collar crime in the US in general.
 
2021-05-17 10:33:40 AM  

zappaisfrank: It wasn't that the report wasn't damning, it's that the AG blunted whatever impact it may have made to protect the former President.


correct

the conclusion it reached was "oh sh*t this dude is a straight up criminal and y'all need to impeach him because that's the only viable legal consequence while he's in office."

so between an AG that completely misrepresented the report and a Senate that was literally never going to convict him, it was completely DOA
 
2021-05-17 10:34:12 AM  
"...the noose is tightening..."

Still not tight enough.

I want eye bulging levels of tight.
 
2021-05-17 10:34:30 AM  

SpectroBoy: Is it time?
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2021-05-17 10:39:46 AM  

JerkStore: No they're not. Trump isn't getting indicted. He isn't paying any fines. He's going to live to be 98 years old in excellent health and will likely be elected president again in 2024.

Why do we keep beating ourselves up with this "Trump's gonna get it now!" kind of BS? He's not. Nothing sticks to him. There is no prosecutor willing to set the precedent of prosecuting a former president. None. Zero. They'll talk tough and shake the tree until a bunch of underlings like Rudy fall out, but as far as Trump or anyone in his family actually seeing any consequences? Pfffft. Ain't gonna happen.


I'll lay a pretty hefty wager you are wrong about all of this.

Well, I'm not sure he's going to jail. He has the means to flee after all. But I am damned sure he's looking at some indictments. Just because Fark lacks object permanence for things that arent happening right this instant doesn't mean they aren't happening.
 
2021-05-17 10:40:58 AM  

JerseyTim: In both cases, the political geography doesn't favor former President Donald Trump. In New York, said Banzhaf, Vance is not running for another term and "just might want to end his already-illustrious career with a bang."

Dude, what? Cy Vance Jr illustrious? Look up how he handled both Epstein and Weinstein. He's more likely hoping to re-write his legacy from coddler of the elite to Guy Who Got Trump.


Or the guy who screwed up enough that Trump got off Scott free.
 
2021-05-17 10:44:09 AM  

zappaisfrank: bainsguy: cretinbob: Ain't nuthin' gonna hurr durr derp derp derp

but it didn't happen immediately and dramatically, so it must not be happening!

like I get that everyone's overly pessimistic after the Mueller report hit with a big wet thud, but to continue to do so because Trump wasn't immediately slapped into handcuffs after leaving the White House is extremely shortsighted

The reason the Mueller report wasn't the event it was hoped it would be was because the AG basically snuffed it before the public got to see it and then issued his own "version" of events that whitewashed it all. It wasn't that the report wasn't damning, it's that the AG blunted whatever impact it may have made to protect the former President.


You are explaining what happened.  We skeptics are pointing out that it was allowed to happen under our government at all, that the "checks and balances" completely failed us, and that a felon occupied the White House unchecked for four years.

I don't need a rehash of the mechanics of Barr and Mueller.

I need a righteous hand of justice smiting Trump.  Still waiting.  Not holding my breath.
 
2021-05-17 10:46:17 AM  

Malenfant: JerkStore: No they're not. Trump isn't getting indicted. He isn't paying any fines. He's going to live to be 98 years old in excellent health and will likely be elected president again in 2024.

Why do we keep beating ourselves up with this "Trump's gonna get it now!" kind of BS? He's not. Nothing sticks to him. There is no prosecutor willing to set the precedent of prosecuting a former president. None. Zero. They'll talk tough and shake the tree until a bunch of underlings like Rudy fall out, but as far as Trump or anyone in his family actually seeing any consequences? Pfffft. Ain't gonna happen.

How do defeatist lies help anything? How does a sicky 74-year-old who thinks exercise drains his life-battery become a 98-year-old in excellent health? Trump needed to change his lifestyle in the 1980s to live to a healthy 98. It's much too late for that now.


By all accounts, COVID-19 affected him more than anyone in his circle would admit -- the doctors were all forced to sign NDAs -- and if he did not have access to the 24/7 health care provided to the President, if he was what his actual level of talent actually qualified him for and he was just Don Drumpf, retired timeshare salesman, he probably wouldn't have made it.
 
2021-05-17 10:52:03 AM  

bainsguy: cretinbob: Ain't nuthin' gonna hurr durr derp derp derp

but it didn't happen immediately and dramatically, so it must not be happening!

like I get that everyone's overly pessimistic after the Mueller report hit with a big wet thud, but to continue to do so because Trump wasn't immediately slapped into handcuffs after leaving the White House is extremely shortsighted


If the Mueller report were the only time we were made aware of crimes he committed that he was not held responsible for I would agree with you.

Since it is one of dozens of examples I am still pessimistic.
 
2021-05-17 10:57:48 AM  

Pharmdawg: JerseyTim: In both cases, the political geography doesn't favor former President Donald Trump. In New York, said Banzhaf, Vance is not running for another term and "just might want to end his already-illustrious career with a bang."

Dude, what? Cy Vance Jr illustrious? Look up how he handled both Epstein and Weinstein. He's more likely hoping to re-write his legacy from coddler of the elite to Guy Who Got Trump.

Or the guy who screwed up enough that Trump got off Scott free.


Oh yeah, that too.


Ivanka and Donald Trump Jr. Were Close to Being Charged With Felony Fraud


New York prosecutors were preparing a case. Then the D.A. overruled his staff after a visit from a top donor: Trump attorney Marc Kasowitz.

 
2021-05-17 10:57:49 AM  
If Donald Trump were to ever actually be indicted and deposed under oath, he'll go to prison for perjury. The man is a pathological liar compounded by narcissism.

https://www.motherjones.com/politics/​2​021/01/donald-trump-thirty-thousand-li​es/

A District Attorney could ask Trump to testify as to his height and weight, and Trump would lie and say he is 6'4" and 185 lbs., even if he saw the bailiffs wheeling one of these things into the courtroom in order to verify the results.
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He simply can't help himself. The only reason the Trump administration didn't have even more legal troubles while in office was that Republicans declined to allow themselves to be subpeona'd. Which is apparently an option if you are a Republican.
 
2021-05-17 10:58:55 AM  

PunGent: Be nice to see Trump in jail, after trial.

/unfortunately, a jail term didn't slow down Adolph


Trump does not have time left in life to duplicate Adolph's accomplishment.
Hitler was young man when he went to jail.
Trump will die in jail, if he goes down for the full ticket on this stuff.
If he doesn't, he will be a useless, mumbling husk.
His last shot at either the grift or the actual office is 2024.
 
2021-05-17 11:01:40 AM  
"the noose is tightening around Trump"

Unfortunately not the kind of noose I'd prefer, and definitely not soon enough.
 
2021-05-17 11:04:26 AM  

Malenfant: JerkStore: No they're not. Trump isn't getting indicted. He isn't paying any fines. He's going to live to be 98 years old in excellent health and will likely be elected president again in 2024.

Why do we keep beating ourselves up with this "Trump's gonna get it now!" kind of BS? He's not. Nothing sticks to him. There is no prosecutor willing to set the precedent of prosecuting a former president. None. Zero. They'll talk tough and shake the tree until a bunch of underlings like Rudy fall out, but as far as Trump or anyone in his family actually seeing any consequences? Pfffft. Ain't gonna happen.

How do defeatist lies help anything? How does a sicky 74-year-old who thinks exercise drains his life-battery become a 98-year-old in excellent health? Trump needed to change his lifestyle in the 1980s to live to a healthy 98. It's much too late for that now.


Hatred and spite will keep him alive to the age of 160, maybe more.  They're the only thing keeping him alive now.
 
2021-05-17 11:05:03 AM  

Malenfant: How does a sicky 74-year-old who thinks exercise drains his life-battery become a 98-year-old in excellent health?



Hate has a way of preserving the body.  The entire GOP roster is plenty evidence of that.
 
2021-05-17 11:05:50 AM  
Ain't gonna be no jail term for the orange man.  His makeup will clash with the jail uniforms.  Can't have that.
 
2021-05-17 11:07:35 AM  
Do it live!

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2021-05-17 11:09:12 AM  

Cache: cretinbob: Ain't nuthin' gonna hurr durr derp derp derp

That's what I thought until I read this part:
"Manhattan District Attorney Cyrus Vance Jr. has added a forensic accountant in his investigation of old Trump financial deals and taxes."

If you've ever had experience with forensic accountants then you know these guys are not your average nerds.  They are quite badass.


Constable A. E Pessimal of the Ankh-Morpork City Watch nods solemnly.
 
2021-05-17 11:10:55 AM  

Cheron: Ever take an exam, a 96% is really good. Indictments and subpoenas are not coming in 96% of states.


Ever fly a fighter plane?  I bet loads of pilots celebrate getting missed by all but one cannon shot from the guy on their six...
 
2021-05-17 11:16:14 AM  

Nicholas D. Wolfwood: Cheron: Ever take an exam, a 96% is really good. Indictments and subpoenas are not coming in 96% of states.

Ever fly a fighter plane?  I bet loads of pilots celebrate getting missed by all but one cannon shot from the guy on their six...


Bad analogy unless you don't have self sealing fuel tanks.  🇯🇵 luckily n🔴b🔴dy w🔴uld ever d🔴 that 🇯🇵
 
2021-05-17 11:25:59 AM  
I read somewhere earlier this week someone saying, "Sorry, fam, neither Donnie nor Mat Gaetz is going to prison."

I don't know enough about Gaetz to say, & I'll never say never but I'm not holding my breath for Donnie to stay at the Graybar Hotel.

BUT

I think a lot of people are under the impression that "indictment" means "death warrant," & that the moment an indictment comes down it means you've been sentenced to the maximum term for the crime. (I think a lot of those people might end up on juries, which explains conviction rates, too)

IANAL, so some of what I say might be a little off. Let me know if I've made any mistakes.

But people misunderstand just how easy it is to be indicted. "A grand jury could indict a ham sandwich" as they say.

So let's work backwards. A sentence means the courts have found you guilty (either by accepting your plea or by a jury). That's not what a grand jury does.

A petit jury finds you guilty or not in criminal cases by unanimous verdict of 12 jurors finding that a crime has been committed, that the elements of that crime are satisfied by the actions of the defendant, & that the defendant bears guilt for those actions beyond a reasonable doubt, & that the defendant's defense does not render them not guilty. That's also not what a grand jury does.

A grand jury does not determine if the defendant is guilty.

A grand jury does not determine anything beyond a reasonable doubt.

A grand jury does not need to come to a unanimous decision.

A grand jury does not hear from the defense at all. (I think. There might be cases where a deposition is required, or maybe you do if there are elements of an "affirmative defense" being made. IANAL)

A grand jury determines if the elements of a crime exist & if there's a preponderance of the evidence (i.e. a hair's breadth over 50%) those acts were performed by the defendant.

A non-federal grand jury in New York has 13 grand jurors (according to Google, but that number seems small; there might be multiple sizes). To indict someone, you only need a majority vote.

So you need to convince 7 of 13 people that it's more likely than not that Donnie's actions meet the technical definition of the crime being committed.

I think it's pretty reasonable to believe an *indictment* will happen for Donnie. Trial, conviction, & sentencing? Iunno.
 
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