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2021-05-16 1:26:51 PM  
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2021-05-16 5:24:27 PM  
They don't like it when folks get uppity.
 
2021-05-16 5:55:06 PM  
Would the breakdown look markedly different if you took a random sample of 67? There's a lot of churn in football.
 
2021-05-16 5:59:48 PM  
That's the price you pay if you take a year off from work and they find someone to replace you.
 
2021-05-16 6:11:03 PM  

yequalsy: Would the breakdown look markedly different if you took a random sample of 67? There's a lot of churn in football.


I would argue the numbers are probably worse for the 67 than a random 67 sampling.  I'll tell you why...

How many of those 67 were even in the top half of players in the league?  2 or 3?  The bottom half of the league has insane turnover, barely lasting a couple years at best.  That's just the way of the NFL.

Every even remotely top-tier player that I'm aware of played last season.

But even still, yes, I'd agree.  The difference wouldn't be THAT different.  Life in the NFL is rough.
 
2021-05-16 6:12:35 PM  

yequalsy: Would the breakdown look markedly different if you took a random sample of 67? There's a lot of churn in football.


That's what I was wondering. Liked those weird controversial statistical maps that end up being a list of population centers
 
2021-05-16 6:18:15 PM  
Sadly, what have you done for me lately
 
2021-05-16 6:26:25 PM  
Honestly, I'm surprised the number of players cut or traded isn't higher than that.
 
2021-05-16 6:50:15 PM  
Not related but pretty funny from further down the page:

TPS @TotalProSports
If Trevor Lawrence throws a touchdown pass to Tim Tebow, do not turn on ESPN for at least 7 days.
 
2021-05-16 7:19:33 PM  

jake3988: yequalsy: Would the breakdown look markedly different if you took a random sample of 67? There's a lot of churn in football.

I would argue the numbers are probably worse for the 67 than a random 67 sampling.  I'll tell you why...

How many of those 67 were even in the top half of players in the league?  2 or 3?  The bottom half of the league has insane turnover, barely lasting a couple years at best.  That's just the way of the NFL.

Every even remotely top-tier player that I'm aware of played last season.

But even still, yes, I'd agree.  The difference wouldn't be THAT different.  Life in the NFL is rough.


Chiefs lineman Duvernay-Tardif (a doctor) took the year off and he's back. Top half at his position easily.

Also, the organization and fanbase love him for triaging Mahomes on the field when he got his kneecap turned sideways.
 
2021-05-16 7:33:21 PM  

SirDigbyChickenCaesar: That's the price you pay if you take a year off from work and they find someone to replace you.


Especially in a league that really does not give a shiat about their players.  The SEC alone has hundreds more waiting to fill those 67 spots.
 
2021-05-16 7:36:35 PM  

baron von doodle: jake3988: yequalsy: Would the breakdown look markedly different if you took a random sample of 67? There's a lot of churn in football.

I would argue the numbers are probably worse for the 67 than a random 67 sampling.  I'll tell you why...

How many of those 67 were even in the top half of players in the league?  2 or 3?  The bottom half of the league has insane turnover, barely lasting a couple years at best.  That's just the way of the NFL.

Every even remotely top-tier player that I'm aware of played last season.

But even still, yes, I'd agree.  The difference wouldn't be THAT different.  Life in the NFL is rough.

Chiefs lineman Duvernay-Tardif (a doctor) took the year off and he's back. Top half at his position easily.

Also, the organization and fanbase love him for triaging Mahomes on the field when he got his kneecap turned sideways.


Chiefs could have used him in the Super Bowl when TB DLine was running into Chief's backfield often un or barely blocked.  Duvernay-Tardif is a helluva guy and a credit to humanity.  Probably has a Canadian girlfriend too.
 
2021-05-16 7:44:45 PM  

desertgeek: Honestly, I'm surprised the number of players cut or traded isn't higher than that.


Wait until training camp is over. The only people that have really suffered so far are undrafted free agents.
 
2021-05-16 7:52:43 PM  
Other than Duvernay-Tardif, I can't think of a solid starting player that opted out. Given the insane cap crunch most teams are facing this year, this does not even remotely surprise me.

The only people I can think of that opted out were 2nd/3rd wave FA signings, which means they were not locks to make the roster in the first place.
 
2021-05-16 8:22:57 PM  
Didnt New England have something like 15 players opt out? A pretty big percentage of all the opter outers
 
2021-05-16 8:35:31 PM  
Meh. Need to know who those released players are before I decide if I'm outraged. Most likely they just weren't  good enough to keep anyway.
 
2021-05-16 8:50:11 PM  
Is there a team by team breakdown anywhere? I'm willing to bet the Pats will be all over that in a bid to get back to relevancy.
 
2021-05-16 9:27:07 PM  
Average career length in the NFL is under 3 years. You take a year off of that and you are going to lose a good portion of the list just with the normal churn. If you aren't on the field, your not in the coaches eye and they might find they don't need you anymore.
 
2021-05-16 9:30:55 PM  
The most important ability is availability
 
2021-05-16 10:06:34 PM  

iron_city_ap: Is there a team by team breakdown anywhere? I'm willing to bet the Pats will be all over that in a bid to get back to relevancy.


Until they get a coach who can win a damn thing without the best quarterback in NFL history carrying him on his back, they won't be relevant.
 
2021-05-16 10:10:30 PM  

desertgeek: Honestly, I'm surprised the number of players cut or traded isn't higher than that.


There's still time
 
2021-05-16 10:15:36 PM  
Why is this sad? A lot of the players who opted out weren't starters, and a lot of them weren't even routinely playing or dressing on game days. There's A LOT of turnover on from the  47th-53rd spots on an active roster. That players opted out and got released the next year isn't a surprise at all.

Not only that, opting out provided opportunities for other players, who may have made the most of those opportunities to play better than the people who opted out.

Why do Farkers think these guys are deserved spots on a team. For Farks sake, they CHOSE not to play.
 
2021-05-16 10:18:25 PM  

mattgsx: Other than Duvernay-Tardif, I can't think of a solid starting player that opted out. Given the insane cap crunch most teams are facing this year, this does not even remotely surprise me.

The only people I can think of that opted out were 2nd/3rd wave FA signings, which means they were not locks to make the roster in the first place.


Patrick Chung, Marcus Cannon and Dont'a Hightower from the Pats. Those guys along with Duvarney-Tardif were probably the most notable and best.
 
2021-05-16 10:20:15 PM  

HideAndGoFarkYourself: mattgsx: Other than Duvernay-Tardif, I can't think of a solid starting player that opted out. Given the insane cap crunch most teams are facing this year, this does not even remotely surprise me.

The only people I can think of that opted out were 2nd/3rd wave FA signings, which means they were not locks to make the roster in the first place.

Patrick Chung, Marcus Cannon and Dont'a Hightower from the Pats. Those guys along with Duvarney-Tardif were probably the most notable and best.


KC's starting RG opted out, too. That proved to be a pretty big deal eventually.
 
2021-05-16 10:47:24 PM  

pissnmoan: baron von doodle: jake3988: yequalsy: Would the breakdown look markedly different if you took a random sample of 67? There's a lot of churn in football.

I would argue the numbers are probably worse for the 67 than a random 67 sampling.  I'll tell you why...

How many of those 67 were even in the top half of players in the league?  2 or 3?  The bottom half of the league has insane turnover, barely lasting a couple years at best.  That's just the way of the NFL.

Every even remotely top-tier player that I'm aware of played last season.

But even still, yes, I'd agree.  The difference wouldn't be THAT different.  Life in the NFL is rough.

Chiefs lineman Duvernay-Tardif (a doctor) took the year off and he's back. Top half at his position easily.

Also, the organization and fanbase love him for triaging Mahomes on the field when he got his kneecap turned sideways.

Chiefs could have used him in the Super Bowl when TB DLine was running into Chief's backfield often un or barely blocked.  Duvernay-Tardif is a helluva guy and a credit to humanity.  Probably has a Canadian girlfriend too.


No shiat.
 
2021-05-17 2:11:55 AM  

HideAndGoFarkYourself: Why is this sad? A lot of the players who opted out weren't starters, and a lot of them weren't even routinely playing or dressing on game days. There's A LOT of turnover on from the  47th-53rd spots on an active roster. That players opted out and got released the next year isn't a surprise at all.

Not only that, opting out provided opportunities for other players, who may have made the most of those opportunities to play better than the people who opted out.

Why do Farkers think these guys are deserved spots on a team. For Farks sake, they CHOSE not to play.


Because this was a pandemic, and people were dying in record numbers. If someone doesn't want to risk bringing covid to their family members, and stay at home, more power to them. They shouldn't be let go, before the preseason even starts.

The Packers RB AJ Dillon was out for a large chunk of the season after getting covid. He almost didn't come back. He got fuked up by it. Some people regardless of health get it worst than others.

Anyways...
Packers kept Devin Funchess on the roster, but he had to take a pay cut. However, almost every player on the team took a pay cut. Thanks cap hell. Sounds like Funchess' family got hit hard with covid.
 
2021-05-17 5:22:59 AM  
What about retirement, like Chung did? Does that count as still on the contract or as "released," even though he wasn't?
 
2021-05-17 5:53:27 AM  

FriarReb98: What about retirement, like Chung did? Does that count as still on the contract or as "released," even though he wasn't?


I thought I saw that the new league year starts on June 1, which is when his retirement would become official. As of now he'd fall under the "original contract" category.
 
2021-05-17 6:00:18 AM  

tommyl66: FriarReb98: What about retirement, like Chung did? Does that count as still on the contract or as "released," even though he wasn't?

I thought I saw that the new league year starts on June 1, which is when his retirement would become official. As of now he'd fall under the "original contract" category.


Right. Typically highly oversemantic for professional sports contracts, but right.
 
2021-05-17 7:40:45 AM  

yequalsy: Would the breakdown look markedly different if you took a random sample of 67? There's a lot of churn in football.


Took a look at New England, seeing as how they "hate their coach" and "don't have fun" and "treat their players like meat", and had the highest number of opt-outs in the league (8)

Marcus Cannon:  Returned, traded to Texans

Patrick Chung:  Retired

Dont'a Hightower:  Returned, expected to start.

Brandon Bolden:  Core ST and backup RB, almost certain to be retained (Bill loves his ST studs)

Matt LaCosse:  Still on team, but clearly a bubble player with the additions of Hunter Henry and Jonnu Smith.  If released would clearly be due to roster upgrades and not Covid.

Dan Vitale:  Returning, will compete for starting FB position (a very important job in NE offense)

Marqise Lee:  Released.   Would of been on bubble to make team even if he stayed on.

Najee Toran:  Expected to compete in 2021 for backup OL spot.

This list doesn't look any different than what it would of in any other normal season.  If anything, the normal cut list is MUCH smaller in New England this year as due to the dearth of UDFA talent (less than 1/3rd of normal) they have not loaded their roster up to the 90 player max yet.
 
2021-05-17 8:01:49 AM  

meanmutton: iron_city_ap: Is there a team by team breakdown anywhere? I'm willing to bet the Pats will be all over that in a bid to get back to relevancy.

Until they get a coach who can win a damn thing without the best quarterback in NFL history carrying him on his back, they won't be relevant.


The best QB in NFL history retired some time ago
 
2021-05-17 9:36:20 AM  

morg: Not related but pretty funny from further down the page:

TPS @TotalProSports
If Trevor Lawrence throws a touchdown pass to Tim Tebow, do not turn on ESPN for at least 7 days.


We had to emigrate to get away from the Brady spoogefest three weeks either side of the Superb Owl. Wouldn't have been much different if KC had won.
 
2021-05-17 10:11:13 AM  

SuperChuck: meanmutton: iron_city_ap: Is there a team by team breakdown anywhere? I'm willing to bet the Pats will be all over that in a bid to get back to relevancy.

Until they get a coach who can win a damn thing without the best quarterback in NFL history carrying him on his back, they won't be relevant.

The best QB in NFL history retired some time ago


Who might that be?
 
2021-05-17 11:24:46 AM  

TTFK: yequalsy: Would the breakdown look markedly different if you took a random sample of 67? There's a lot of churn in football.

Took a look at New England, seeing as how they "hate their coach" and "don't have fun" and "treat their players like meat", and had the highest number of opt-outs in the league (8)

Marcus Cannon:  Returned, traded to Texans

Patrick Chung:  Retired

Dont'a Hightower:  Returned, expected to start.

Brandon Bolden:  Core ST and backup RB, almost certain to be retained (Bill loves his ST studs)

Matt LaCosse:  Still on team, but clearly a bubble player with the additions of Hunter Henry and Jonnu Smith.  If released would clearly be due to roster upgrades and not Covid.

Dan Vitale:  Returning, will compete for starting FB position (a very important job in NE offense)

Marqise Lee:  Released.   Would of been on bubble to make team even if he stayed on.

Najee Toran:  Expected to compete in 2021 for backup OL spot.

This list doesn't look any different than what it would of in any other normal season.  If anything, the normal cut list is MUCH smaller in New England this year as due to the dearth of UDFA talent (less than 1/3rd of normal) they have not loaded their roster up to the 90 player max yet.


That's really interesting, thanks.  What a brutal profession (in multiple ways).
 
2021-05-17 12:08:53 PM  
where does Arron Rodgers fit in the category?
did statebarn drop him too?
he should be fine cause his career in not in any jeopardy
 
2021-05-17 2:26:05 PM  
The Chiefs, at the time reigning Super Bowl Champs, had 3 players opt out...2 starters and one high draft pick.

Laurent Duvernay-Tardif (OL) - Well known as Doctor, took off to help patients in Canada, where he is from. Back this year as projected starter.

Lucas Niang (OL) - 3rd round draft pick from last  year, in camp for first time and expected to battle for starting position.

Damien Williams (RB) - Super Bowl hero and starter, released in off season. Chiefs had drafted Clyde Edwards-Helaire in the first round prior to his decision, so his time was probably limited anyway. Not much of a weapon during regular season.

So they were treated "fairly". Williams' release is more football decision than COVID grudge. If the Chiefs had a grudge, they probably would have released the 2 linemen, seeing how that was the cause of their Super Bowl loss.
 
2021-05-17 4:00:42 PM  

demonfaerie: HideAndGoFarkYourself: Why is this sad? A lot of the players who opted out weren't starters, and a lot of them weren't even routinely playing or dressing on game days. There's A LOT of turnover on from the  47th-53rd spots on an active roster. That players opted out and got released the next year isn't a surprise at all.

Not only that, opting out provided opportunities for other players, who may have made the most of those opportunities to play better than the people who opted out.

Why do Farkers think these guys are deserved spots on a team. For Farks sake, they CHOSE not to play.

Because this was a pandemic, and people were dying in record numbers. If someone doesn't want to risk bringing covid to their family members, and stay at home, more power to them. They shouldn't be let go, before the preseason even starts.

The Packers RB AJ Dillon was out for a large chunk of the season after getting covid. He almost didn't come back. He got fuked up by it. Some people regardless of health get it worst than others.

Anyways...
Packers kept Devin Funchess on the roster, but he had to take a pay cut. However, almost every player on the team took a pay cut. Thanks cap hell. Sounds like Funchess' family got hit hard with covid.


So players who chose not to play should be guaranteed a roster sport, but not the players who chose to play? That's some Fark level derp.

Every player who opted out knew that they were not guaranteed a roster spot for the following season. just like every player who signs a contract knows they are not guaranteed a roster spot. players are cut in the off-season in preseason every single year.

The fact that you chose not to play the prior season doesn't mean that you should automatically get a spot on the roster the following season when you decide to play again. That's not how it works, at all, ever. Pandemic or not.
 
2021-05-17 5:32:10 PM  

HideAndGoFarkYourself: demonfaerie: HideAndGoFarkYourself: Why is this sad? A lot of the players who opted out weren't starters, and a lot of them weren't even routinely playing or dressing on game days. There's A LOT of turnover on from the  47th-53rd spots on an active roster. That players opted out and got released the next year isn't a surprise at all.

Not only that, opting out provided opportunities for other players, who may have made the most of those opportunities to play better than the people who opted out.

Why do Farkers think these guys are deserved spots on a team. For Farks sake, they CHOSE not to play.

Because this was a pandemic, and people were dying in record numbers. If someone doesn't want to risk bringing covid to their family members, and stay at home, more power to them. They shouldn't be let go, before the preseason even starts.

The Packers RB AJ Dillon was out for a large chunk of the season after getting covid. He almost didn't come back. He got fuked up by it. Some people regardless of health get it worst than others.

Anyways...
Packers kept Devin Funchess on the roster, but he had to take a pay cut. However, almost every player on the team took a pay cut. Thanks cap hell. Sounds like Funchess' family got hit hard with covid.

So players who chose not to play should be guaranteed a roster sport, but not the players who chose to play? That's some Fark level derp.

Every player who opted out knew that they were not guaranteed a roster spot for the following season. just like every player who signs a contract knows they are not guaranteed a roster spot. players are cut in the off-season in preseason every single year.

The fact that you chose not to play the prior season doesn't mean that you should automatically get a spot on the roster the following season when you decide to play again. That's not how it works, at all, ever. Pandemic or not.


Over 500k people have died in the US alone from this pandemic. The NFL gave players a chance to opt out for the season. They should expect to have spots on the roster. I am not saying they shouldn't be cut completely, but they should be allowed to prove themselves during training camp, and the preseason. People shouldn't be losing their jobs, over fear of safety. My mom's best friend died from a brain bleed from covid. I am really sympathetic to people who are allowed to opt out of their job for a year, with a condition they could back to work the following year, and still end up losing their job.
 
2021-05-17 7:05:33 PM  

demonfaerie: HideAndGoFarkYourself: demonfaerie: HideAndGoFarkYourself: Why is this sad? A lot of the players who opted out weren't starters, and a lot of them weren't even routinely playing or dressing on game days. There's A LOT of turnover on from the  47th-53rd spots on an active roster. That players opted out and got released the next year isn't a surprise at all.

Not only that, opting out provided opportunities for other players, who may have made the most of those opportunities to play better than the people who opted out.

Why do Farkers think these guys are deserved spots on a team. For Farks sake, they CHOSE not to play.

Because this was a pandemic, and people were dying in record numbers. If someone doesn't want to risk bringing covid to their family members, and stay at home, more power to them. They shouldn't be let go, before the preseason even starts.

The Packers RB AJ Dillon was out for a large chunk of the season after getting covid. He almost didn't come back. He got fuked up by it. Some people regardless of health get it worst than others.

Anyways...
Packers kept Devin Funchess on the roster, but he had to take a pay cut. However, almost every player on the team took a pay cut. Thanks cap hell. Sounds like Funchess' family got hit hard with covid.

So players who chose not to play should be guaranteed a roster sport, but not the players who chose to play? That's some Fark level derp.

Every player who opted out knew that they were not guaranteed a roster spot for the following season. just like every player who signs a contract knows they are not guaranteed a roster spot. players are cut in the off-season in preseason every single year.

The fact that you chose not to play the prior season doesn't mean that you should automatically get a spot on the roster the following season when you decide to play again. That's not how it works, at all, ever. Pandemic or not.

Over 500k people have died in the US alone from this pandemic. The NFL gave players a chance to opt out for the season. They should expect to have spots on the roster. I am not saying they shouldn't be cut completely, but they should be allowed to prove themselves during training camp, and the preseason. People shouldn't be losing their jobs, over fear of safety. My mom's best friend died from a brain bleed from covid. I am really sympathetic to people who are allowed to opt out of their job for a year, with a condition they could back to work the following year, and still end up losing their job.


Yeah, except the salary cap. Players who were affordable patches became cap casualties while they were gone. Packers can get by now on the rule of 51 but will need to restructure and/or cut players who were under contract entering the 2021 league year in order to start the season
 
2021-05-17 7:20:37 PM  

demonfaerie: HideAndGoFarkYourself: demonfaerie: HideAndGoFarkYourself: Why is this sad? A lot of the players who opted out weren't starters, and a lot of them weren't even routinely playing or dressing on game days. There's A LOT of turnover on from the  47th-53rd spots on an active roster. That players opted out and got released the next year isn't a surprise at all.

Not only that, opting out provided opportunities for other players, who may have made the most of those opportunities to play better than the people who opted out.

Why do Farkers think these guys are deserved spots on a team. For Farks sake, they CHOSE not to play.

Because this was a pandemic, and people were dying in record numbers. If someone doesn't want to risk bringing covid to their family members, and stay at home, more power to them. They shouldn't be let go, before the preseason even starts.

The Packers RB AJ Dillon was out for a large chunk of the season after getting covid. He almost didn't come back. He got fuked up by it. Some people regardless of health get it worst than others.

Anyways...
Packers kept Devin Funchess on the roster, but he had to take a pay cut. However, almost every player on the team took a pay cut. Thanks cap hell. Sounds like Funchess' family got hit hard with covid.

So players who chose not to play should be guaranteed a roster sport, but not the players who chose to play? That's some Fark level derp.

Every player who opted out knew that they were not guaranteed a roster spot for the following season. just like every player who signs a contract knows they are not guaranteed a roster spot. players are cut in the off-season in preseason every single year.

The fact that you chose not to play the prior season doesn't mean that you should automatically get a spot on the roster the following season when you decide to play again. That's not how it works, at all, ever. Pandemic or not.

Over 500k people have died in the US alone from this pandemic. The NFL gave players a chance to opt out for the season. They should expect to have spots on the roster. I am not saying they shouldn't be cut completely, but they should be allowed to prove themselves during training camp, and the preseason. People shouldn't be losing their jobs, over fear of safety. My mom's best friend died from a brain bleed from covid. I am really sympathetic to people who are allowed to opt out of their job for a year, with a condition they could back to work the following year, and still end up losing their job.


Except that's not how the world works. They CHOSE not to play. Whatever their reasons were, they CHOSE their own path last season. Other players came in and presumably proved themselves while the others who chose to opt out did not.

The players who opted out received, at minimum, $150,000.

No player in the NFL whether coming off injury, suspension, or opting out due to a virus is entitled to a position on a team or an invite to a training camp. Teams can only carry so many players throughout the off-season, training camp, and preseason.

This is entirely different than people whose companies shut down and people who lost their jobs unwillingly. Not only did these guys not lose their jobs unwillingly, they chose to not play and we're still compensated by the team they were under contract with.

None of them are owed anything. At all.
 
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