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2021-05-15 10:05:12 PM  
Jesus, how many chances do these hacks get? There are genuinely talented directors out there.
 
2021-05-15 10:13:04 PM  
Cut the Leonard Cohen sex scene. Christ being able to count Malin Ackerman's pubes in IMAX was not the experience I was hoping for.
 
2021-05-15 10:37:07 PM  
Avengers:  Endgame was the longest I would sit through in a theatre.  And by "sit through", I mean I had to read an article on when it was OK to get up to go pee during the movie without missing any key plot developments (they were "Hulk eating" and "Screen says New Jersey").
 
2021-05-15 11:09:17 PM  

Mugato: Jesus, how many chances do these hacks get? There are genuinely talented directors out there.


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2021-05-16 12:12:39 AM  
The opening scene showed me this was going to be a baaaaad movie and it didn't really improve from there.
 
2021-05-16 12:18:26 AM  

moothemagiccow: The opening scene showed me this was going to be a baaaaad movie and it didn't really improve from there.


You mean the opening credits with "The Times they Are A-changin" while they caught you up on all the backstory neatly? Get out of here.
 
2021-05-16 12:23:05 AM  

Irving Maimway: Malin Ackerman'


Hallelujah.
 
2021-05-16 12:23:17 AM  

Irving Maimway: Cut the Leonard Cohen sex scene. Christ being able to count Malin Ackerman's pubes in IMAX was not the experience I was hoping for.


You and I are very different people.
 
2021-05-16 12:33:47 AM  

Irving Maimway: Cut the Leonard Cohen sex scene. Christ being able to count Malin Ackerman's pubes in IMAX was not the experience I was hoping for.


Go on...
 
2021-05-16 12:42:42 AM  
Great, now I have 'Hallelujah' stuck in my head, but the word "Hallelujah" replaced with 'Calamari'.

/ And you probably do too, as well.
// thank me after the 'cold and broken Calamari'.
/// The third slashie tires of needless remakes.
 
2021-05-16 1:13:24 AM  
Too bad that HBO has already beaten you to the punch, Zack:

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2021-05-16 1:31:53 AM  

OhioUGrad: Irving Maimway: Cut the Leonard Cohen sex scene. Christ being able to count Malin Ackerman's pubes in IMAX was not the experience I was hoping for.

Go on...


Skip that and go for this one if you have Malin on your mind.
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2021-05-16 2:15:34 AM  
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Yeah, I'll take the high tech nuking of major cities over the tentacled butthole with an eyeball. That's one thing I don't mind them changing at all.
 
2021-05-16 3:10:55 AM  
Purists complained about the ending change, but come on. That would have required almost a whole extra hour of subplots and extra characters to set it up, and the end result would have been the same. For a movie, the narratively economic ending was the smart choice.
 
2021-05-16 4:13:06 AM  

Irving Maimway: Cut the Leonard Cohen sex scene. Christ being able to count Malin Ackerman's pubes in IMAX was not the experience I was hoping for.


Watching a giant blue floppy dong take over the screen in IMAX was a little weirder to me, but you do you.
 
2021-05-16 4:22:31 AM  

Fano: moothemagiccow: The opening scene showed me this was going to be a baaaaad movie and it didn't really improve from there.

You mean the opening credits with "The Times they Are A-changin" while they caught you up on all the backstory neatly? Get out of here.


Yeah, that intro was great. Snyder needs to stick to music videos, because he can't film a narrative for shiat.

Example:

My Chemical Romance - Desolation Row [Official Music Video]
Youtube FOuSxal8pf4
I don't really care for the song, but this shiat is well done.
 
2021-05-16 6:53:20 AM  

thrasherrr: Skip that and go for this one if you have Malin on your mind.
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I came just to say this!

/I know.....phrasing

But that sex scene is a pretty funny scene and when she gets up to leave to go to the bathroom is one of the funniest things I've seen in a movie in a long time. Not highbrow, certainly, but I certainly didn't expect it!!
 
2021-05-16 6:55:21 AM  
That movie's so old now, who's still complaining?

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2021-05-16 8:05:14 AM  
No, you were right. No squid.
 
2021-05-16 8:40:08 AM  
There should have been a film short before the movie with the sailor story. That would have been cool.
 
2021-05-16 8:47:02 AM  
I'm just going to put out in the universe that Malin Ackerman can show me her pubes any time she wants.
 
2021-05-16 9:12:02 AM  

thrasherrr: OhioUGrad: Irving Maimway: Cut the Leonard Cohen sex scene. Christ being able to count Malin Ackerman's pubes in IMAX was not the experience I was hoping for.

Go on...

Skip that and go for this one if you have Malin on your mind.
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Love Blows The Heartbreak Kid?  Weird title.
 
2021-05-16 9:42:44 AM  
Who actually believes he has not seen the Watchmen series? It was superior to his movie and also demonstrated the removal of the squid was the wrong choice.
 
2021-05-16 9:56:24 AM  
If Zack Snyder put as much effort in to his movies as he does in to promoting himself and ideas he would have done after the fact, he may actually have not sunk DC's attempt at a cinematic universe.
 
2021-05-16 10:23:41 AM  

Fano: moothemagiccow: The opening scene showed me this was going to be a baaaaad movie and it didn't really improve from there.

You mean the opening credits with "The Times they Are A-changin" while they caught you up on all the backstory neatly? Get out of here.


the comedian's murder you baby
sorry i saw this movie like 10 years ago and don't remember it scene for scene
 
2021-05-16 11:01:47 AM  

EdgeRunner: Purists complained about the ending change, but come on. That would have required almost a whole extra hour of subplots and extra characters to set it up, and the end result would have been the same. For a movie, the narratively economic ending was the smart choice.


That's exactly why the movie didn't work though. It really needed the mini-series treatment to flesh out everything. Especially if they wanted to include the black freighter and squid stuff.
 
2021-05-16 11:03:39 AM  

Fano: moothemagiccow: The opening scene showed me this was going to be a baaaaad movie and it didn't really improve from there.

You mean the opening credits with "The Times they Are A-changin" while they caught you up on all the backstory neatly? Get out of here.


The two best creative choices of Snyder in Watchmen:

1: The opening
2: Losing the squid to make it remotely coherent in the running time

There's no way a non-Snyder-Cut length Watchmen would have made that work, and even then that would have probably been too ridiculous for the audience. Good to see Snyder is saying he'd undo one of those.
 
2021-05-16 11:13:22 AM  

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Yeah, I'll take the high tech nuking of major cities over the tentacled butthole with an eyeball. That's one thing I don't mind them changing at all.


The changed ending doesn't make any sense though. The whole point of Veidt's plan was to create some existential threat that the world would have to collectively work together to fend off and prevent.

The change to Dr. Manhattan doesn't do any of that because of his long history of being America's super weapon.

It would be like if the US invented nukes but kept the technology from everyone else. Then they used them for years to win wars and as a continued looming threat to assert their dominance. Then one day a bunch of nukes launch, hitting major cities all over the world including thief own. The US says "whoopsie, we all good right?" to the rest of the world and everyone's supposed to bond over that?
 
2021-05-16 11:27:57 AM  
I mean it made way more plot sense / de-complxicated the events of the story to a more reasonably plausible simplicity.

Too complex:
Want Dr.Blu to go away, want humanity to unite. Humanity needs a common enemy to unite it.
So run two separate plans that you hope to time neatly together somehow? To bring on a fake threat that in reality does kill millions, and to try and kill Dr.Blu if maybe you can but who can know about this really?

More simple, feels more real:
Frame Dr.Blu as that enemy, he's the one who did the killing not some rando anime rip off monster, maybe try to kill him, but more importantly, too late he's framed for it and now humanity sees him as the enemy not the salvation.

The whole thing on the giant monster just felt 100% what was the point the first time i read the thing.
It was some other added thing that made little sense to me and i wondered, how come he ran two separate plans of make fake monster to unite humanity behind a common foe AND gaslight fook with Dr.Blu to basically just hide this complex plan from with the hope that later you can kill him once he figures it all out?

Where as the plan to make Dr.Blu be the baddie himself is a way more streamlined and efficient plan that you do not need to kill him to pull off. Even if you can't kill him, you make humanity want to reject him anyway, whihc is the goal ultimately. Untie humanity to take care of themselves.


That was the one part i found made total sens to change up for the retelling of it. But in generally as a film, it felt very ham fisted and shallow lacking in any articular subtly or grace.
Just literally play the song that says "time are changing" while you show times changing, yeah the 2d WYSIWYG version of story telling that has as much depth as printer ink on a page.
 
2021-05-16 11:42:53 AM  

PvtStash: Frame Dr.Blu as that enemy, he's the one who did the killing not some rando anime rip off monster, maybe try to kill him, but more importantly, too late he's framed for it and now humanity sees him as the enemy not the salvation.


My problem with this is how exactly does this unite humanity?  He was essentially America's superweapon for years that they used for winning wars and held over everyone as a threat. So even if Manhattan goes rogue, why would the rest of the world want to unite with the US against him?

With more time to develop it I think that change could have worked better, but as it exists it just doesn't make sense to me.
 
2021-05-16 12:56:36 PM  

Joey Jo Jo Jr Shabadu: PvtStash: Frame Dr.Blu as that enemy, he's the one who did the killing not some rando anime rip off monster, maybe try to kill him, but more importantly, too late he's framed for it and now humanity sees him as the enemy not the salvation.

My problem with this is how exactly does this unite humanity?  He was essentially America's superweapon for years that they used for winning wars and held over everyone as a threat. So even if Manhattan goes rogue, why would the rest of the world want to unite with the US against him?

With more time to develop it I think that change could have worked better, but as it exists it just doesn't make sense to me.


Also he's an unstoppable god. And why would the rest of the world ever trust the US for their Frankenstein running amok? That really does make less sense than the phony alien threat.
 
2021-05-16 1:35:14 PM  

Joey Jo Jo Jr Shabadu: PvtStash: Frame Dr.Blu as that enemy, he's the one who did the killing not some rando anime rip off monster, maybe try to kill him, but more importantly, too late he's framed for it and now humanity sees him as the enemy not the salvation.

My problem with this is how exactly does this unite humanity?  He was essentially America's superweapon for years that they used for winning wars and held over everyone as a threat. So even if Manhattan goes rogue, why would the rest of the world want to unite with the US against him?

With more time to develop it I think that change could have worked better, but as it exists it just doesn't make sense to me.


Twitter didn't exist yet so accountability was a foreign concept.
 
2021-05-16 2:02:01 PM  

Fano: Joey Jo Jo Jr Shabadu: PvtStash: Frame Dr.Blu as that enemy, he's the one who did the killing not some rando anime rip off monster, maybe try to kill him, but more importantly, too late he's framed for it and now humanity sees him as the enemy not the salvation.

My problem with this is how exactly does this unite humanity?  He was essentially America's superweapon for years that they used for winning wars and held over everyone as a threat. So even if Manhattan goes rogue, why would the rest of the world want to unite with the US against him?

With more time to develop it I think that change could have worked better, but as it exists it just doesn't make sense to me.

Also he's an unstoppable god. And why would the rest of the world ever trust the US for their Frankenstein running amok? That really does make less sense than the phony alien threat.


Yup.

If Dr. Manhattan is the enemy... and even if the other nations of the world didn't hold the US responsible for some reason...

The only thing to unite together for would be agreeing on surrender conditions. They know he can destroy the whole planet on a whim. They know he can't be killed or imprisoned. If he is the enemy, there would be nothing to do excepting give in to whatever he wants and hope he stops blowing up cities.

An alien attack seems more like something we may be able to counter if we pull together.
 
2021-05-16 2:17:07 PM  

Fano: Joey Jo Jo Jr Shabadu: PvtStash: Frame Dr.Blu as that enemy, he's the one who did the killing not some rando anime rip off monster, maybe try to kill him, but more importantly, too late he's framed for it and now humanity sees him as the enemy not the salvation.

My problem with this is how exactly does this unite humanity?  He was essentially America's superweapon for years that they used for winning wars and held over everyone as a threat. So even if Manhattan goes rogue, why would the rest of the world want to unite with the US against him?

With more time to develop it I think that change could have worked better, but as it exists it just doesn't make sense to me.

Also he's an unstoppable god. And why would the rest of the world ever trust the US for their Frankenstein running amok? That really does make less sense than the phony alien threat.


Before the movie came out I remember reading a script treatment that had a different idea. Instead of uniting everyone against a common enemy such as a space squid or a blue reality manipulator Veidt decided that the best way to eliminate the threat was to never have it come to be in the first place. He pumped all his talent, knowledge and resources into creating a time hole and would shoot Osterman before he was blasted in the intrinsic field chamber. He set up a sniper rifle to aim through the hole and, by shooting Osterman, would prevent Dr. Manhattan from ever being created. This would keep the US from ever having such a powerful being on their side. Everything that happened afterwards (his use as a military tool and peacekeeping force) wouldn't occur. This would leave us on a par with the USSR, Nixon wouldn't get his multiple terms, and our only threats would be the regular ones of nuclear Armageddon from politicians. He didn't know if this would cause their reality to change or create a new timeline but figured it was better than what was happening, humanity in some timeline would survive. Manhattan agreed that this was a reasonable solution. The shot was made, Osterman died. Before the time hole closed Nite Owl, Spectre and Rorschach went through the hole and wind up in a mid-80's New York that had never seen costumed superheroes.
 
2021-05-16 2:21:10 PM  

Captain Shaky: Fano: Joey Jo Jo Jr Shabadu: PvtStash: Frame Dr.Blu as that enemy, he's the one who did the killing not some rando anime rip off monster, maybe try to kill him, but more importantly, too late he's framed for it and now humanity sees him as the enemy not the salvation.

My problem with this is how exactly does this unite humanity?  He was essentially America's superweapon for years that they used for winning wars and held over everyone as a threat. So even if Manhattan goes rogue, why would the rest of the world want to unite with the US against him?

With more time to develop it I think that change could have worked better, but as it exists it just doesn't make sense to me.

Also he's an unstoppable god. And why would the rest of the world ever trust the US for their Frankenstein running amok? That really does make less sense than the phony alien threat.

Yup.

If Dr. Manhattan is the enemy... and even if the other nations of the world didn't hold the US responsible for some reason...

The only thing to unite together for would be agreeing on surrender conditions. They know he can destroy the whole planet on a whim. They know he can't be killed or imprisoned. If he is the enemy, there would be nothing to do excepting give in to whatever he wants and hope he stops blowing up cities.

An alien attack seems more like something we may be able to counter if we pull together.


I mean, if the squid itself bothers people they could have substituted in some other "obvious" alien. Part of the Comedian breaking down is seeing the whole plot, with teams of artists, writers, psychics(!) and others being put to work creating this massive conspiracy with mass murder on a grand scale. The alien plot is SUPPOSED to be so far out of left field no one could imagine it. Framing Doc Manhattan is worthy of an NBC Mystery of the Week Mrs Columbo episode.
 
2021-05-16 2:38:28 PM  

monsatano: Irving Maimway: Cut the Leonard Cohen sex scene. Christ being able to count Malin Ackerman's pubes in IMAX was not the experience I was hoping for.

Watching a giant blue floppy dong take over the screen in IMAX was a little weirder to me, but you do you.


Someone  had to draw and color the dong and write the dangle algorithm for it ..can you imagine drawing a big blue penis as part of your resume?
 
2021-05-16 3:00:08 PM  
The squid never made that much sense anyway. Its a bizarrely convoluted plan unworthy of Veidt, and we'd still be arguing, if he could do that somehow, why didn't he just [insert logical use of power].
Framing Manhattan with blue magic bombs was instantly understandable as a plot point and the characters still got to react the same way. It was a good change.
 
2021-05-16 3:00:14 PM  

EdgeRunner: Purists complained about the ending change, but come on. That would have required almost a whole extra hour of subplots and extra characters to set it up, and the end result would have been the same. For a movie, the narratively economic ending was the smart choice.


yup changing that ending for watchmen was the only good thing snyder has done.
 
2021-05-16 3:16:12 PM  

covfefe: The squid never made that much sense anyway. Its a bizarrely convoluted plan unworthy of Veidt, and we'd still be arguing, if he could do that somehow, why didn't he just [insert logical use of power].
Framing Manhattan with blue magic bombs was instantly understandable as a plot point and the characters still got to react the same way. It was a good change.


The HBO series did a really good job of showing why the squid worked better.

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Looking Glass spent a lifetime traumatized by the event and fearful of another attack. Dr. Manhattan may not have caused the same level of anxiety.
 
2021-05-16 3:27:13 PM  

covfefe: The squid never made that much sense anyway. Its a bizarrely convoluted plan unworthy of Veidt, and we'd still be arguing, if he could do that somehow, why didn't he just [insert logical use of power].
Framing Manhattan with blue magic bombs was instantly understandable as a plot point and the characters still got to react the same way. It was a good change.


Yeah, I agree. I thought the Watchmen comics books were amazing, but the squid just didn't work all that well.
 
2021-05-16 3:27:38 PM  

Mad_Radhu: covfefe: The squid never made that much sense anyway. Its a bizarrely convoluted plan unworthy of Veidt, and we'd still be arguing, if he could do that somehow, why didn't he just [insert logical use of power].
Framing Manhattan with blue magic bombs was instantly understandable as a plot point and the characters still got to react the same way. It was a good change.

The HBO series did a really good job of showing why the squid worked better.

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Looking Glass spent a lifetime traumatized by the event and fearful of another attack. Dr. Manhattan may not have caused the same level of anxiety.


One of the most obvious problems is that Dr Manhattan had a history, like Superman. If you lived in that world, stoking upfear against a fairly well documented hero because of what they might do... At best gets a fraction of the population.
 
2021-05-16 3:39:32 PM  

Mad_Radhu: covfefe: The squid never made that much sense anyway. Its a bizarrely convoluted plan unworthy of Veidt, and we'd still be arguing, if he could do that somehow, why didn't he just [insert logical use of power].
Framing Manhattan with blue magic bombs was instantly understandable as a plot point and the characters still got to react the same way. It was a good change.

The HBO series did a really good job of showing why the squid worked better.

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Looking Glass spent a lifetime traumatized by the event and fearful of another attack. Dr. Manhattan may not have caused the same level of anxiety.


That's TV. On tv you can sprawl your island world endlessly while polar bears teleport between airplanes in parallel dimensions, but in a movie you're supposed to wrap it up before the audience gets swamp-ass.
 
2021-05-16 3:42:25 PM  

covfefe: Mad_Radhu: covfefe: The squid never made that much sense anyway. Its a bizarrely convoluted plan unworthy of Veidt, and we'd still be arguing, if he could do that somehow, why didn't he just [insert logical use of power].
Framing Manhattan with blue magic bombs was instantly understandable as a plot point and the characters still got to react the same way. It was a good change.

The HBO series did a really good job of showing why the squid worked better.

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Looking Glass spent a lifetime traumatized by the event and fearful of another attack. Dr. Manhattan may not have caused the same level of anxiety.

That's TV. On tv you can sprawl your island world endlessly while polar bears teleport between airplanes in parallel dimensions, but in a movie you're supposed to wrap it up before the audience gets swamp-ass.


Just cut down the Hallelujah scene and a few slow motion sequences. There's your time back.
 
2021-05-16 4:50:07 PM  
what do we have to do in order to fire Snyder, Whedon, Michael Bay, and JJ Abrams fired into the sun.
 
2021-05-16 5:01:47 PM  

Captain Shaky: Fano: Joey Jo Jo Jr Shabadu: PvtStash: Frame Dr.Blu as that enemy, he's the one who did the killing not some rando anime rip off monster, maybe try to kill him, but more importantly, too late he's framed for it and now humanity sees him as the enemy not the salvation.

My problem with this is how exactly does this unite humanity?  He was essentially America's superweapon for years that they used for winning wars and held over everyone as a threat. So even if Manhattan goes rogue, why would the rest of the world want to unite with the US against him?

With more time to develop it I think that change could have worked better, but as it exists it just doesn't make sense to me.

Also he's an unstoppable god. And why would the rest of the world ever trust the US for their Frankenstein running amok? That really does make less sense than the phony alien threat.

Yup.

If Dr. Manhattan is the enemy... and even if the other nations of the world didn't hold the US responsible for some reason...

The only thing to unite together for would be agreeing on surrender conditions. They know he can destroy the whole planet on a whim. They know he can't be killed or imprisoned. If he is the enemy, there would be nothing to do excepting give in to whatever he wants and hope he stops blowing up cities.

An alien attack seems more like something we may be able to counter if we pull together.


But you all think the rest of the world would be MORE trusting if the US said, "Oh sure we could use our invincible superweapon to fight the alien threat... but we don't have him any more. I mean, you guys all saw him get mad on a talk show! That was all definitely real!"
 
2021-05-16 6:09:13 PM  
What that movie missed more than the squid was a properly put together scene when Silk Spectre pieced together who her father was instead of just a recovered memory scene.
 
2021-05-16 6:30:06 PM  

khitsicker: what do we have to do in order to fire Snyder, Whedon, Michael Bay, and JJ Abrams fired into the sun.


They need someone like you to show them the way. You lead, and they will follow.
 
2021-05-16 7:33:56 PM  

Captain Shaky: Fano: Joey Jo Jo Jr Shabadu: PvtStash: Frame Dr.Blu as that enemy, he's the one who did the killing not some rando anime rip off monster, maybe try to kill him, but more importantly, too late he's framed for it and now humanity sees him as the enemy not the salvation.

My problem with this is how exactly does this unite humanity?  He was essentially America's superweapon for years that they used for winning wars and held over everyone as a threat. So even if Manhattan goes rogue, why would the rest of the world want to unite with the US against him?

With more time to develop it I think that change could have worked better, but as it exists it just doesn't make sense to me.

Also he's an unstoppable god. And why would the rest of the world ever trust the US for their Frankenstein running amok? That really does make less sense than the phony alien threat.

Yup.

If Dr. Manhattan is the enemy... and even if the other nations of the world didn't hold the US responsible for some reason...

The only thing to unite together for would be agreeing on surrender conditions. They know he can destroy the whole planet on a whim. They know he can't be killed or imprisoned. If he is the enemy, there would be nothing to do excepting give in to whatever he wants and hope he stops blowing up cities.

An alien attack seems more like something we may be able to counter if we pull together.



The problem is actually both, in that what makes the ending to Watchmen completely unbelievable is not space squids or blue gods, but that humanity would properly unite over fighting them.

Alan Moore has always been a better ideas than resolution writer and believing that humanity would make peace and cut out their own petty bullshiat just because there was some big bad monster is a fundamental misunderstanding of humans.

Evidence:  COVID19 and the wildly disparate responses and outright hatred between people and their ideologies which has worldwide lead to millions of deaths over something that with the knowledge and technology available to us we could have stopped within months, maybe even less.  But no, China had to keep it covered up as long as possible, USA insisted that masks and slowing the economy was against their freedumbs, India couldn't skip a religious festival and promotes homeopathic cures that make injecting bleach sound reasonable, conspiracy loons wanted to blame 5G and Bill Gates' microchips and a dozen other competing levels of stupid and greed that all ensure the only thing we are united in is sticking it to the other team no matter the cost to ourselves.
 
2021-05-16 7:36:42 PM  

Greymalkin: Captain Shaky: Fano: Joey Jo Jo Jr Shabadu: PvtStash: Frame Dr.Blu as that enemy, he's the one who did the killing not some rando anime rip off monster, maybe try to kill him, but more importantly, too late he's framed for it and now humanity sees him as the enemy not the salvation.

My problem with this is how exactly does this unite humanity?  He was essentially America's superweapon for years that they used for winning wars and held over everyone as a threat. So even if Manhattan goes rogue, why would the rest of the world want to unite with the US against him?

With more time to develop it I think that change could have worked better, but as it exists it just doesn't make sense to me.

Also he's an unstoppable god. And why would the rest of the world ever trust the US for their Frankenstein running amok? That really does make less sense than the phony alien threat.

Yup.

If Dr. Manhattan is the enemy... and even if the other nations of the world didn't hold the US responsible for some reason...

The only thing to unite together for would be agreeing on surrender conditions. They know he can destroy the whole planet on a whim. They know he can't be killed or imprisoned. If he is the enemy, there would be nothing to do excepting give in to whatever he wants and hope he stops blowing up cities.

An alien attack seems more like something we may be able to counter if we pull together.


The problem is actually both, in that what makes the ending to Watchmen completely unbelievable is not space squids or blue gods, but that humanity would properly unite over fighting them.

Alan Moore has always been a better ideas than resolution writer and believing that humanity would make peace and cut out their own petty bullshiat just because there was some big bad monster is a fundamental misunderstanding of humans.

Evidence:  COVID19 and the wildly disparate responses and outright hatred between people and their ideologies which has worldwide lead to millions of deaths over ...


I have the same issue with the end of The Running Man.
 
2021-05-16 7:54:40 PM  

Greymalkin: Captain Shaky: Fano: Joey Jo Jo Jr Shabadu: PvtStash: Frame Dr.Blu as that enemy, he's the one who did the killing not some rando anime rip off monster, maybe try to kill him, but more importantly, too late he's framed for it and now humanity sees him as the enemy not the salvation.

My problem with this is how exactly does this unite humanity?  He was essentially America's superweapon for years that they used for winning wars and held over everyone as a threat. So even if Manhattan goes rogue, why would the rest of the world want to unite with the US against him?

With more time to develop it I think that change could have worked better, but as it exists it just doesn't make sense to me.

Also he's an unstoppable god. And why would the rest of the world ever trust the US for their Frankenstein running amok? That really does make less sense than the phony alien threat.

Yup.

If Dr. Manhattan is the enemy... and even if the other nations of the world didn't hold the US responsible for some reason...

The only thing to unite together for would be agreeing on surrender conditions. They know he can destroy the whole planet on a whim. They know he can't be killed or imprisoned. If he is the enemy, there would be nothing to do excepting give in to whatever he wants and hope he stops blowing up cities.

An alien attack seems more like something we may be able to counter if we pull together.


The problem is actually both, in that what makes the ending to Watchmen completely unbelievable is not space squids or blue gods, but that humanity would properly unite over fighting them.

Alan Moore has always been a better ideas than resolution writer and believing that humanity would make peace and cut out their own petty bullshiat just because there was some big bad monster is a fundamental misunderstanding of humans.

Evidence:  COVID19 and the wildly disparate responses and outright hatred between people and their ideologies which has worldwide lead to millions of deaths over something that with the knowledge and technology available to us we could have stopped within months, maybe even less.  But no, China had to keep it covered up as long as possible, USA insisted that masks and slowing the economy was against their freedumbs, India couldn't skip a religious festival and promotes homeopathic cures that make injecting bleach sound reasonable, conspiracy loons wanted to blame 5G and Bill Gates' microchips and a dozen other competing levels of stupid and greed that all ensure the only thing we are united in is sticking it to the other team no matter the cost to ourselves.


At least in the book, it ended shortly after Ozy's master stroke, leaving its success as an exercise for the reader, a Rorschach test if you will, of what you think humanity would do and how long the peace will last
 
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