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2021-05-15 10:18:58 AM  
What part of "vaccines work" is confusing to subby?
 
2021-05-15 10:40:49 AM  
Everything is booked. Everything out front shoulda told ya.
 
2021-05-15 10:41:14 AM  
This is why I booked myself a week under ether on a Haitian fishing boat.
 
2021-05-15 10:42:13 AM  
"Here's how to outsmart the crowds"

By farking stay home instead?
 
2021-05-15 10:46:18 AM  
There are so many damn Montanans flying to Hawaii right now. When people ask if our rapid test is approved, I tell them that we have the NAAT rapid test and it's their responsibility to see which test is approved. Then they get pissy because they need to make an appointment for the test.
 
2021-05-15 10:46:46 AM  

BullBearMS: What part of "vaccines work" is confusing to subby?


The part where we have other variants of the virus that are resistant to the current design of the vaccines and not everyone on these vacations will be vaccinated.
 
2021-05-15 10:48:55 AM  

BullBearMS: What part of "vaccines work" is confusing to subby?


I think the problem was less the vaccines and more the wording of the article headline. I've never in my life heard hotel rooms being fully booked referred to as: Vacations are sold out.
 
2021-05-15 10:49:11 AM  
Oh but hey, wasn't it just a few months ago that everyone was talking about how their lives have been so much easier since the pandemic, not as rushed, and how they've really learned how to enjoy the small things in life, and how maybe they never will go back to " normal", but enjoy some other kind of life al--WOULDNT A NICE WARM  SANDY BEACH FEEL GOOD RIGHT NOW?

Oh yeah, of course, what was you thinking?  Cancun does sound really good, and you DESERVE it.

Climate change is over now, right?  Isn't that what the vaccines were for?
 
2021-05-15 10:50:35 AM  
Booked a shore house with the other pod family on an isolated part of the bay where we could stay to ourselves if we wanted or drive 30 minutes to fun stuff if we could.  Getting a kick at the lack of planning of others.
 
2021-05-15 10:51:02 AM  

DarkSoulNoHope: BullBearMS: What part of "vaccines work" is confusing to subby?

The part where we have other variants of the virus that are resistant to the current design of the vaccines and not everyone on these vacations will be vaccinated.


Which variant are you referring to?

So far, the studies show that the variants that are more likely to infect unvaccinated people still do not cause serious disease in vaccinated people.
 
2021-05-15 10:52:45 AM  

DarkSoulNoHope: BullBearMS: What part of "vaccines work" is confusing to subby?

The part where we have other variants of the virus that are resistant to the current design of the vaccines and not everyone on these vacations will be vaccinated.


Took 60+ years to eradicate Polio.  Buckle up, don't vacation for the rest of your life like this dipshiat.
 
2021-05-15 10:55:44 AM  

BullBearMS: DarkSoulNoHope: BullBearMS: What part of "vaccines work" is confusing to subby?

The part where we have other variants of the virus that are resistant to the current design of the vaccines and not everyone on these vacations will be vaccinated.

Which variant are you referring to?

So far, the studies show that the variants that are more likely to infect unvaccinated people still do not cause serious disease in vaccinated people.


They still carry risk of infection even though they won't carry risk of serious disease! I rather not be sick.
 
2021-05-15 10:57:47 AM  

DarkSoulNoHope: BullBearMS: DarkSoulNoHope: BullBearMS: What part of "vaccines work" is confusing to subby?

The part where we have other variants of the virus that are resistant to the current design of the vaccines and not everyone on these vacations will be vaccinated.

Which variant are you referring to?

So far, the studies show that the variants that are more likely to infect unvaccinated people still do not cause serious disease in vaccinated people.

They still carry risk of infection even though they won't carry risk of serious disease! I rather not be sick.


[Citation Needed]

Exactly which variants evade vaccines at all?

None of the ones that caused the initial panic (South African variant, London variant) turned out to evade the current vaccines.
 
2021-05-15 11:00:07 AM  

DarkSoulNoHope: BullBearMS: What part of "vaccines work" is confusing to subby?

The part where we have other variants of the virus that are resistant to the current design of the vaccines and not everyone on these vacations will be vaccinated.


Just admit this isn't about variants and more about you getting satisfaction telling others what to do.
 
2021-05-15 11:00:35 AM  
My son snd I will be camping on the Sonoma Coast tomorrow night. S'mores, hotdogs, and a fire ("cold" coast). We're taking Monday off. Mini staycation FTW. (Month-long philosophical journeys in Nepal = bad.)
 
2021-05-15 11:00:43 AM  
I bought my ticket to Hawaii back when prices were still dirt cheap, so I'm getting a kick.
 
2021-05-15 11:06:20 AM  

scotchcrotch: DarkSoulNoHope: BullBearMS: What part of "vaccines work" is confusing to subby?

The part where we have other variants of the virus that are resistant to the current design of the vaccines and not everyone on these vacations will be vaccinated.

Just admit this isn't about variants and more about you getting satisfaction telling others what to do.


Satisfaction that there is a virus out there that has killed millions? Also, before vaccinations reach a certain level, the CDC is being in "reopen economy" mode while Fauci is in "Let's not be too hasty" mode. I prefer caution, or do you prefer me live up to my screen name and say, "Fark it, everyone is going to die anyway, so let's all go on vacation and see what happens!" ?
 
2021-05-15 11:08:15 AM  
It's a good summer for distanced vacations if you're vaccinated. Go camping. Head to a beach rental. Hike a trail.
You would probably be ok with some of those if you're unvaccinated but masking. I wouldn't go hiking for days by myself, not without a satellite phone, sometimes the trails are crowded enough you meet a lot of people.
I wouldn't chance a cruise this year, even being vaccinated.
 
2021-05-15 11:08:46 AM  
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They get vacations?
 
2021-05-15 11:09:24 AM  
Why is that scary? If you're vaccinated, both Fauci and the CDC agree you can get out there and have fun. Quit fearmongering, subby.
 
2021-05-15 11:10:26 AM  
I started booking camping sites over the winter, but was still unable to get sites with water and/or electric at most of them. Every major holiday weekend and my wife's birthday weekend will be spent semi secluded in the woods, with some disc golf and biking peppered in. Just the way I want it.
 
2021-05-15 11:10:55 AM  
There are literally no rental cars left in Anchorage this summer.  A lot of travelers bought their plane tickets first and will be surprised.
 
2021-05-15 11:11:47 AM  

DarkSoulNoHope: scotchcrotch: DarkSoulNoHope: BullBearMS: What part of "vaccines work" is confusing to subby?

The part where we have other variants of the virus that are resistant to the current design of the vaccines and not everyone on these vacations will be vaccinated.

Just admit this isn't about variants and more about you getting satisfaction telling others what to do.

Satisfaction that there is a virus out there that has killed millions? Also, before vaccinations reach a certain level, the CDC is being in "reopen economy" mode while Fauci is in "Let's not be too hasty" mode. I prefer caution, or do you prefer me live up to my screen name and say, "Fark it, everyone is going to die anyway, so let's all go on vacation and see what happens!" ?


Fauci himself said if you are vaccinated you don't need to wear a mask anymore.

You said "variants!!!!  No vacations!!"

Get over yourself
 
2021-05-15 11:12:23 AM  
just confirmed my summer vacation this week.  based on the available space on the ferry when i booked it, it'll probably be crowded to capacity on the weekends, and given the way things are opening up it'll probably be crowded all week with most people itching to get away

but my two favorite activities of sitting on the porch watching the world go by and going to the beach that is more limited by parking than space, so i won't worry too much.  i've been there so many times i don't need to go to the most popular touristy activities
 
2021-05-15 11:12:42 AM  

Grumpy Cat: Everything is booked. Everything out front shoulda told ya.


My niece's in laws own a resort "Up Nort" in Wisconsin. Typical lakefront place with cottages and a main lodge with a nice beach for swimming and piers if you have your own boat. They are the kids of the original owners so it has been in the family since the 50's.

Last year was their busiest summer ever. They were booked solid all summer long. The only things they had to do different was extra sanitizing of the cabins between guests and the bar/restaurant shut down, but they did sell bottled beer and pizzas for carry-out. They noticed extended family groups renting a couple of adjacent cabins and having activities just within their group. They are already booked solid for this year, and have been since March. They are partially open now for fishermen and open fully Memorial Day weekend.

Covid has actually been good to some businesses but what seems more important here is that families figured out that expensive trips are not necessary and doing something like renting a cabin on a lake for a week can bring them together
 
2021-05-15 11:13:13 AM  
So like vacation somewhere else...the US is big
 
2021-05-15 11:15:11 AM  
Its now the best time to plan for summer vacation, next year. Really want to go to that special event? Make your reservation the day after its over. You'll at least have a 50/50 shot.
 
2021-05-15 11:16:34 AM  

DarkSoulNoHope: scotchcrotch: DarkSoulNoHope: BullBearMS: What part of "vaccines work" is confusing to subby?

The part where we have other variants of the virus that are resistant to the current design of the vaccines and not everyone on these vacations will be vaccinated.

Just admit this isn't about variants and more about you getting satisfaction telling others what to do.

Satisfaction that there is a virus out there that has killed millions? Also, before vaccinations reach a certain level, the CDC is being in "reopen economy" mode while Fauci is in "Let's not be too hasty" mode. I prefer caution, or do you prefer me live up to my screen name and say, "Fark it, everyone is going to die anyway, so let's all go on vacation and see what happens!" ?


Fine, when is the best time to travel, doctor?

When it's eradicated in 60 years?
 
2021-05-15 11:17:13 AM  

Smoking GNU: "Here's how to outsmart the crowds"

By farking stay home instead?


I was going to do that anyway.

Now what's this about a virus?
 
2021-05-15 11:17:46 AM  
(looks at my backpacking gear) Vacations are *never* sold out.
 
2021-05-15 11:18:08 AM  
Just booked a vacation in a hotel at Ocean Isle Beach, NC, 4 hours from here. Had to go with our third choice of hotel (a much harder-to-find one), the last reasonably-priced one available on the actual beach island, because the first two were either booked solid or had some bullshiat going on with their online booking systems, it's hard to tell with one of them. So, yeah, definitely becoming a thing.
 
2021-05-15 11:20:04 AM  

DarkSoulNoHope: BullBearMS: What part of "vaccines work" is confusing to subby?

The part where we have other variants of the virus that are resistant to the current design of the vaccines and not everyone on these vacations will be vaccinated.


This is why my vaccinated wife and I rented a house with the same family we hung out with all last year.  Friends since school, have kids same ages and a house on the beach in the outer banks.
I'm expecting next year to be better but we are rebooking the house asap just incase things go bad.  India creating variants as we fark.
 
2021-05-15 11:20:49 AM  

DarkSoulNoHope: scotchcrotch: DarkSoulNoHope: BullBearMS: What part of "vaccines work" is confusing to subby?

The part where we have other variants of the virus that are resistant to the current design of the vaccines and not everyone on these vacations will be vaccinated.

Just admit this isn't about variants and more about you getting satisfaction telling others what to do.

Satisfaction that there is a virus out there that has killed millions? Also, before vaccinations reach a certain level, the CDC is being in "reopen economy" mode while Fauci is in "Let's not be too hasty" mode. I prefer caution, or do you prefer me live up to my screen name and say, "Fark it, everyone is going to die anyway, so let's all go on vacation and see what happens!" ?


I'm still waiting on that citation on which variants evade the current vaccine.

Real studies, not vague panic mongering.
 
2021-05-15 11:23:22 AM  

BullBearMS: DarkSoulNoHope: scotchcrotch: DarkSoulNoHope: BullBearMS: What part of "vaccines work" is confusing to subby?

The part where we have other variants of the virus that are resistant to the current design of the vaccines and not everyone on these vacations will be vaccinated.

Just admit this isn't about variants and more about you getting satisfaction telling others what to do.

Satisfaction that there is a virus out there that has killed millions? Also, before vaccinations reach a certain level, the CDC is being in "reopen economy" mode while Fauci is in "Let's not be too hasty" mode. I prefer caution, or do you prefer me live up to my screen name and say, "Fark it, everyone is going to die anyway, so let's all go on vacation and see what happens!" ?

I'm still waiting on that citation on which variants evade the current vaccine.

Real studies, not vague panic mongering.


He doesn't have an answer for when we can travel again because he only wants to keep telling people what to do.
 
2021-05-15 11:26:14 AM  
Bought tickets to Hawaii a couple months ago, booked a week at a resort last month. That will be my summer vacation.

No Jersey shore rental this year, nor will I be buying one. If I had the money I have now about 5 years ago, I could easily have got a modest cape on LBI somewhere. We're in a bubble again, so it's time to watch and wait.
 
2021-05-15 11:27:17 AM  
The day backpacking through a forest is booked full is the day I just out of a plane with no parachute.
 
2021-05-15 11:28:56 AM  
I'm proudly vaccinated and going on a road trip vacation in a couple of weeks. I'm done staying home.
 
2021-05-15 11:39:29 AM  

scotchcrotch: He doesn't have an answer for when we can travel again because he only wants to keep telling people what to do.


People who don't want to take precautions always make this accusation, which is weird.

The people who don't want others to travel say so because not enough of the populace has been vaccinated at this time. Or that case loads are still too high. Or that not enough study has been done on variants, and it is better to play it safe then to just willy-nilly open up everything and hope for the best.

But no, it's because they enjoy telling people what to do.
 
2021-05-15 11:40:18 AM  

cryinoutloud: Oh but hey, wasn't it just a few months ago that everyone was talking about how their lives have been so much easier since the pandemic, not as rushed, and how they've really learned how to enjoy the small things in life, and how maybe they never will go back to " normal", but enjoy some other kind of life al--WOULDNT A NICE WARM  SANDY BEACH FEEL GOOD RIGHT NOW?

Oh yeah, of course, what was you thinking?  Cancun does sound really good, and you DESERVE it.

Climate change is over now, right?  Isn't that what the vaccines were for?


Shut up Ted Cruz.
 
2021-05-15 11:42:46 AM  

trialpha: scotchcrotch: He doesn't have an answer for when we can travel again because he only wants to keep telling people what to do.

People who don't want to take precautions always make this accusation, which is weird.

The people who don't want others to travel say so because not enough of the populace has been vaccinated at this time. Or that case loads are still too high. Or that not enough study has been done on variants, and it is better to play it safe then to just willy-nilly open up everything and hope for the best.

But no, it's because they enjoy telling people what to do.


It's human nature to try to control others.

So again, answer my question- When's it safe to travel, doc?
 
2021-05-15 11:45:07 AM  

BullBearMS: DarkSoulNoHope: scotchcrotch: DarkSoulNoHope: BullBearMS: What part of "vaccines work" is confusing to subby?

The part where we have other variants of the virus that are resistant to the current design of the vaccines and not everyone on these vacations will be vaccinated.

Just admit this isn't about variants and more about you getting satisfaction telling others what to do.

Satisfaction that there is a virus out there that has killed millions? Also, before vaccinations reach a certain level, the CDC is being in "reopen economy" mode while Fauci is in "Let's not be too hasty" mode. I prefer caution, or do you prefer me live up to my screen name and say, "Fark it, everyone is going to die anyway, so let's all go on vacation and see what happens!" ?

I'm still waiting on that citation on which variants evade the current vaccine.

Real studies, not vague panic mongering.


The people screaming doom about variants are the same people who were telling everyone that vaccinated people can't resume normal activities because of a nebulous idea (never based in any science) that vaccinated folks could be "stealth asymptomatic super-spreaders", an idea that never made any sense and has now been repeatedly debunked by real-world effectiveness studies. At no time was there evidence that vaccinated people were spreading the virus. There was of course a period of time where lack of data about vaccinated people meant that we couldn't be completely sure, which is why scientists were urging caution. But the doomsayers took the uncertainty and ran with it.

Well, now that there's pretty good scientific consensus that vaccinated people aren't transmitting the disease, these people have now moved on to variants, because with variants it's easier to move the goalposts.

Every time a study comes out showing the vaccines are highly effective against the latest variant, they can just say "yeah, well that was an old variant, since the study was conducted there's some new variant that hasn't been studied yet." Heck, the latest trend I've seen is to tell us that we should be worried about variants that haven't even come into existence yet. In other words, the vaccine is effective against known variants, but there could always be a new variant coming! Of course, this is an absurd argument-- there could always be a totally new disease tomorrow too.

So the problem with saying [citation needed] is for the Debbie downers, no citation will ever be enough. They have constructed a world in which the only level of risk that is acceptable to them is zero, which is an impossible condition to meet. You could give them mountains of citations and they would still tell you that there's going to be a new variant tomorrow that will surely infect vaccinated people.
 
2021-05-15 11:45:50 AM  

trialpha: The people who don't want others to travel say so because not enough of the populace has been vaccinated at this time.


How does that effect the ability of the fully vaccinated to continue their lives as was normal in the before times?

This is more about people not being able to let go of being a Karen.
 
2021-05-15 11:50:16 AM  

BullBearMS: trialpha: The people who don't want others to travel say so because not enough of the populace has been vaccinated at this time.

How does that effect the ability of the fully vaccinated to continue their lives as was normal in the before times?

This is more about people not being able to let go of being a Karen.


Maybe I'm being too generous, but perhaps it's more about people being too emotionally insecure over this whole "global pandemic" thing to throw off the rest of the precautions at once, even if the experts say they can.
 
2021-05-15 11:51:33 AM  

Fireproof: BullBearMS: trialpha: The people who don't want others to travel say so because not enough of the populace has been vaccinated at this time.

How does that effect the ability of the fully vaccinated to continue their lives as was normal in the before times?

This is more about people not being able to let go of being a Karen.

Maybe I'm being too generous, but perhaps it's more about people being too emotionally insecure over this whole "global pandemic" thing to throw off the rest of the precautions at once, even if the experts say they can.


Which is fine as long as they're not trying to dictate others actions.
 
2021-05-15 11:56:08 AM  

wetrat: So the problem with saying [citation needed] is for the Debbie downers, no citation will ever be enough. They have constructed a world in which the only level of risk that is acceptable to them is zero, which is an impossible condition to meet.


It's just as nonsensical as saying I have to live my life in fear of measles after getting a measles vaccine.

Doubly so, since mRNA vaccines takes very little time to create if we ever should find a variant not covered by the current vaccine.

Forty-two days after the genetic code was released, Moderna's CEO Bancel opened an email on Feb. 24 on his cellphone and smiled, as he recalled to the Globe. Up popped a photograph of a box placed inside a refrigerated truck at the Norwood plant and bound for the National Institute of Allergy and Infectious Diseases in Bethesda, Md. The package held a few hundred vials, each containing the experimental vaccine.

Now that we know how to make and distribute working mRNA vaccines, and have good safety data for them, a new version can be pumped out just. as quickly as they can manufacture it.

Just as with the yearly update of the flu vaccine for the most common flu variants, you don't even have to start from scratch to prove the vaccine is safe and get approval.
 
2021-05-15 12:01:43 PM  

Fireproof: BullBearMS: trialpha: The people who don't want others to travel say so because not enough of the populace has been vaccinated at this time.

How does that effect the ability of the fully vaccinated to continue their lives as was normal in the before times?

This is more about people not being able to let go of being a Karen.

Maybe I'm being too generous, but perhaps it's more about people being too emotionally insecure over this whole "global pandemic" thing to throw off the rest of the precautions at once, even if the experts say they can.


I think The Atlantic nailed it.

Lurking among the jubilant Americans venturing back out to bars and planning their summer-wedding travel is a different group: liberals who aren't quite ready to let go of pandemic restrictions. For this subset, diligence against COVID-19 remains an expression of political identity-even when that means overestimating the disease's risks or setting limits far more strict than what public-health guidelines permit.

Last year, when the pandemic was raging and scientists and public-health officials were still trying to understand how the virus spread, extreme care was warranted.

The spring of 2021 is different from the spring of 2020, though. Scientists know a lot more about how COVID-19 spreads-and how it doesn't.

The current guidance is that the fully vaccinated are not in danger themselves, and do not pose a danger to others.

It's time for the Karens of the world to let go.
 
2021-05-15 12:02:04 PM  

scotchcrotch: Fireproof: BullBearMS: trialpha: The people who don't want others to travel say so because not enough of the populace has been vaccinated at this time.

How does that effect the ability of the fully vaccinated to continue their lives as was normal in the before times?

This is more about people not being able to let go of being a Karen.

Maybe I'm being too generous, but perhaps it's more about people being too emotionally insecure over this whole "global pandemic" thing to throw off the rest of the precautions at once, even if the experts say they can.

Which is fine as long as they're not trying to dictate others actions.


Ooh, that would require these justifiably-panicked people to be able to pick up on the nuanced differences between "people who are throwing off the restrictions now that the experts say it's safe to do so" and "people who have tried to ignore the restrictions since the beginning because Cheetolini encouraged it for political gain."
 
2021-05-15 12:02:09 PM  

H31N0US: No Jersey shore rental this year, nor will I be buying one. If I had the money I have now about 5 years ago, I could easily have got a modest cape on LBI somewhere. We're in a bubble again, so it's time to watch and wait.


yeah we punched out on our plans for the annual shore rental this year as well. Prices are bonkers.
 
2021-05-15 12:08:17 PM  
One of the VPs at work was gifted a trip to the Caymans and there were not a lot of dates since it filled up quick. Well he kept brushing his assistant aside for a month about it but when he was ready all the dates in June, July and August were filled and they are booked until November. Yeah his wife ain't gonna be happy over that.
This week he neglected to tell us about a  $ 40k mint condition Tom Brady rookie card, yeah it almost got lost.
 
2021-05-15 12:08:27 PM  

wetrat: At no time was there evidence that vaccinated people were spreading the virus. There was of course a period of time where lack of data about vaccinated people meant that we couldn't be completely sure, which is why scientists were urging caution. But the doomsayers took the uncertainty and ran with it.


vaccinated people can spread it. there's never been any doubt about that. the question is really about how big the risk is. if i'm vaccinated and go hang out with a bunch of unvaccinated people, what are the odds i will get it? and what are the odds i'll carry it home or to work or to the store and infect someone else? and is that newly-infected person not vaccinated, or is that person one of those for whom the vaccine isn't as effective in preventing severe risk? did i potentially kill someone?

it's all about risk and odds.that said, we're going to our first real vacation over Memorial day. we're vaccinated. we're taking the risk.
 
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