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(Slate)   "My sister and her husband adopted a rescue pit bull with a history of biting children. My husband and I don't want the dog around our 3 year-old son, and my sister is upset because she thinks I'm insulting her. My mom wants me to give in. What do?"   (slate.com) divider line
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2021-05-15 1:58:25 AM  
Get a Cane Corso.
 
2021-05-15 2:14:11 AM  
Keep your kid away from the dog. Pit bull, Dobie, or Yorkie, any dog that hasn't be socialized properly shouldn't be near kids
 
2021-05-15 3:09:34 AM  
Pit bulls don't deserve the bad rap they get.

That said, any dog with a history of biting children should not be around kids, period.
 
2021-05-15 3:50:50 AM  
It's the usual answer in these threads, mutt stuff.
 
2021-05-15 3:57:55 AM  
Feed the dog a bunch of chocolate. Problem solved.
 
2021-05-15 4:46:24 AM  
your sister seems lovely, adopting a dog like a self-absorbed c*nt.
I take it she has no kids.

/The weight of an enthusiastic, playful pitbull alone could injure a 3 year-old.
 
2021-05-15 4:52:29 AM  
If it has a history of biting children, it should be put down.
 
2021-05-15 4:53:04 AM  
Uranus:  I take it she has no kids.


Well, she did, but...
 
2021-05-15 5:07:07 AM  
Teach your child how to interact with dogs.  The dog is not the problem, you are.


/Or buttstuff, whatever (your butt, not the dog)
 
2021-05-15 5:27:59 AM  
How on earth does any dog with a history of biting, especially biting children, not get put down? Sounds like a hinky rescue agency.
 
2021-05-15 6:12:07 AM  

foo monkey: If it has a history of biting children, it should be put down.


Arf..arf...arf...(Snap).....(*&^$$#&^(​%$%$)&*&^^%.>>..
#//no terrier
 
2021-05-15 6:30:36 AM  
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HI GUIZE. Little Chupy here. I just wanted to chime in and say that this kinda stuff
makes me goat sucking mad. All animals should be judged on their merits, not history.
Sure, I like to hide under the bed and play a game of "GOT YOUR FOOT" sometimes.
And I LOVE SMALL children. The look of joy on their faces when I hide in the closet and
play "peek a boo" with them...it's priceless.
 
2021-05-15 6:46:21 AM  
"Be an adult" is to Slate advice letters what "Christ, what an asshole!" is to New Yorker cartoons.

Seriously, what functioning adult has trouble deciding between the safety of their child and the disapproval of their mother?

You know what, go ahead and feed the farking kid to the farking dog, because you're not ready to be a parent.
 
2021-05-15 6:46:33 AM  

Omnis_evil_twin: How on earth does any dog with a history of biting, especially biting children, not get put down? Sounds like a hinky rescue agency.


It isn't like there aren't a billion dogs that don't have a history of biting looking for homes.  Oh wait, there are.
 
2021-05-15 7:24:53 AM  
My aunt took in a pitbull with a history of aggressive behavior, assuming that she could solve the dog's problems.... The dog was fine with her kids, but one day at the dog park.... Attempted to attack another dog and that dog's owner, and bit my aunt in the process. Five minutes and that dog bought itself a death sentence.

Letter writer is absolutely in the right to keep the kid away from the dog. And not just for the kid's safety. They're protecting the idiot sister from having to kill the dog because it mauled the child!!!
 
2021-05-15 7:28:24 AM  

Otera: They're protecting the idiot sister from having to kill the dog because it mauled the child!!!


si!
 
2021-05-15 8:04:09 AM  
HugeMistake:

Seriously, what functioning adult has trouble deciding between the safety of their child and the disapproval of their mother"

You don't use social media, do you?  There's a LOT of non functional adults out there.
 
2021-05-15 8:23:33 AM  

foo monkey: If it has a history of biting children, it should be put down.


The owner and owner's mother be doubletapped.
 
2021-05-15 8:34:00 AM  
Pee on your sister
Assert dominance
 
2021-05-15 8:38:58 AM  
Feed the dog with other children to keep it's bloodlust satisfied.

That way, everyone wins: Happy, well-fed dog, your kid is safe and there are less children.
 
2021-05-15 8:50:06 AM  
FTA:  "Perhaps you have bought into some of the myths about pit bulls..."

Yes...myths...

In 2017, of the 39 Americans killed by dogs, 29 were killed by pit bulls and their mixes, and 18 of those 29 victims were either the owner of the pit bull or a member of the owner's family (including a relative).

In 2018, of the 34 Americans killed by dogs, 25 were killed by pit bulls and their mixes, and 14 of those 25 victims were their owner, the owner's family member, or babies that the pit bull owners were watching.

In 2019...of the 48 Americans that were killed by dogs, 33 were killed by pit bulls and their mixes, and 13 of the 33 victims were their owner or the owner's family member. In one additional case, the victim was a visiting baby.
 
2021-05-15 8:51:07 AM  
How the fark is this even a problem that merits attention and discussion amongst multiple family members?
 
2021-05-15 9:12:31 AM  
All other issues aside, an outdoor birthday party seems like the worst possible place to introduce the two. Both dog and child will be overly excited and energetic with all the people and other stuff going on. Both dogs and toddlers can act out in unexpected ways, and that environment is going to encourage that.
 
2021-05-15 9:18:47 AM  
Do what they want and protect the irreplaceable relationship with your sister. If things go wrong, you can make another kid. You can't make another sister.
 
2021-05-15 9:38:46 AM  

dwlah: Pee on your sister
Assert dominance


Tell me more. In detail.

Slowly.
 
2021-05-15 10:53:37 AM  

dwlah: Pee on your sister
Assert dominance


Sniff her butt then tell her no.
 
2021-05-15 11:23:39 AM  
I wouldn't let my kid around a pitbull that looked at me the wrong way. Are you crazy? Tell your sister and mother to pick the pitbull or you, but be ready for their answer.
 
2021-05-15 11:32:00 AM  
Turn your kids loose at a NAMBLA convention.
 
2021-05-15 11:48:05 AM  
Have them show you the insurance rider that covers medical care for dogbites.
Note the dates.  When it expires, they have to show you a new one.
No rider, no kid.
 
2021-05-15 11:51:23 AM  

dionysusaur: Have them show you the insurance rider that covers medical care for dogbites.
Note the dates.  When it expires, they have to show you a new one.
No rider, no kid.


You think it's ok for a kid to be attacked by a dog so long as someone else pays for the medical care. I can't even comment on how depraved that is.
 
2021-05-15 11:59:12 AM  

Russ1642: dionysusaur: Have them show you the insurance rider that covers medical care for dogbites.
Note the dates.  When it expires, they have to show you a new one.
No rider, no kid.

You think it's ok for a kid to be attacked by a dog so long as someone else pays for the medical care. I can't even comment on how depraved that is.


I don't.  I think these twats need to be made aware of how insanely expensive it will be for that to happen.
I don't thin you can even get coverage against your pitty attacking someone.
That might change their tiny little minds.
 
2021-05-15 12:05:23 PM  

Russ1642: dionysusaur: Have them show you the insurance rider that covers medical care for dogbites.
Note the dates.  When it expires, they have to show you a new one.
No rider, no kid.

You think it's ok for a kid to be attacked by a dog so long as someone else pays for the medical care. I can't even comment on how depraved that is.


Oh, come on. He's just being practical. Usually a parent has to wait for 30 years before the kids start paying back some of the expenses. This way, if the dog bites the kid, they cash in early. Smart thinking. I personally would feed the kid a messy peanut butter sandwich before introduced it to the dog.
 
2021-05-15 12:09:40 PM  

Schmerd1948: Russ1642: dionysusaur: Have them show you the insurance rider that covers medical care for dogbites.
Note the dates.  When it expires, they have to show you a new one.
No rider, no kid.

You think it's ok for a kid to be attacked by a dog so long as someone else pays for the medical care. I can't even comment on how depraved that is.

Oh, come on. He's just being practical. Usually a parent has to wait for 30 years before the kids start paying back some of the expenses. This way, if the dog bites the kid, they cash in early. Smart thinking. I personally would feed the kid a messy peanut butter sandwich before introduced it to the dog.


Yeah, I get that people say things they'd never do. They just don't actually think about what they've said until it's rephrased and said back to them. It'd sure be nice for the family to face the repercussions of having an aggressive dangerous dog without anyone getting hurt. Like have the dog attack a guy jogging past the house, only to discover it was an escaped murderer. Everyone wins.
 
2021-05-15 12:28:36 PM  

whither_apophis: Keep your kid away from the dog. Pit bull, Dobie, or Yorkie, any dog that hasn't be socialized properly shouldn't be near kids


That's not fair. Every dog is different. Pits get a bad rap because if they DO bite, the bites are really bad because their jaws are so powerful. They're not vicious by default, and if they are mean they typically have a history of abuse or training to be that way. That being said, having no clear escape in a strange location with a bunch of other people is a hard situation for a human, let alone a dog; if it's a biter it will probably bite. OP is is absolutely right to keep her kid away from this dog. A stressed out dog could easily severely injure or even kill a 3 year old, no matter the breed.
 
2021-05-15 1:05:04 PM  

Puffy McBooze: Teach your child how to interact with dogs.  The dog is not the problem, you are.


/Or buttstuff, whatever (your butt, not the dog)


Yeah, because a dog with a history of attacking children will be nice to next child it meets. It has changed! It learned to be better! It stopped hanging around with his bad friends and even puts the toilet seat down!

Wait, that is women thinking they can change a "bad boy" if they just love it enough.

Anyway, a two year old child getting his face bitten off will have learned at a young age that second chances are great, if they happen far away. Being the one who has to be around when the second chance is being given, not so much.
 
2021-05-15 1:21:54 PM  

Mikey1969: Pit bulls don't deserve the bad rap they get.

That said, any dog with a history of biting children should not be around kids, period.


Yeah.  I adopted my pit after meeting him a couple times at the shelter, including once with my son, quizzed the shelter workers about the dog after they recommended him, etc.

Within ten minutes of getting him home, two 5 year old boys were sitting on him as he just lay there wagging his tail.

Point being, I love pits, and think they're good family dogs.  *BUT* if I adopted a dog with a history of biting anyone, there's no way I'd suggest children be brought around them.
 
2021-05-15 1:31:07 PM  

EasilyDistracted: FTA:  "Perhaps you have bought into some of the myths about pit bulls..."

Yes...myths...

In 2017, of the 39 Americans killed by dogs, 29 were killed by pit bulls and their mixes, and 18 of those 29 victims were either the owner of the pit bull or a member of the owner's family (including a relative).

In 2018, of the 34 Americans killed by dogs, 25 were killed by pit bulls and their mixes, and 14 of those 25 victims were their owner, the owner's family member, or babies that the pit bull owners were watching.

In 2019...of the 48 Americans that were killed by dogs, 33 were killed by pit bulls and their mixes, and 13 of the 33 victims were their owner or the owner's family member. In one additional case, the victim was a visiting baby.


And what makes those stats even more horrifying is that pit bulls are not even in the top 20 of most popular dog breeds.  That list includes some other big dogs - Labs, German Shepherds, Goldens, Rottweilers, Great Danes and Dobermans.
So yah, it IS the breed.
 
2021-05-15 2:17:38 PM  

DerAppie: Puffy McBooze: Teach your child how to interact with dogs.  The dog is not the problem, you are.


/Or buttstuff, whatever (your butt, not the dog)

Yeah, because a dog with a history of attacking children will be nice to next child it meets. It has changed! It learned to be better! It stopped hanging around with his bad friends and even puts the toilet seat down!

Wait, that is women thinking they can change a "bad boy" if they just love it enough.

Anyway, a two year old child getting his face bitten off will have learned at a young age that second chances are great, if they happen far away. Being the one who has to be around when the second chance is being given, not so much.


Why are you bringing your 2 year old child around strange dogs to begin with?

Oh, that's right, because you are an irresponsible putz who expects the entire world to change around your crotch fruit.

Fun fact, millions of people have children every year...and the vast majority of them realize they are not special.

Do you expect to be able to change your child's dirty diaper on the dining table?

Okay Karen, or Karl, or whatever, just realize that I don't give a rat shiat fark about you or your progeny.
 
2021-05-15 2:24:43 PM  
Keep your child away from the pitbull, do you hear me?
 
2021-05-15 3:13:51 PM  

Khrestyn: whither_apophis: Keep your kid away from the dog. Pit bull, Dobie, or Yorkie, any dog that hasn't be socialized properly shouldn't be near kids

That's not fair. Every dog is different. Pits get a bad rap because if they DO bite, the bites are really bad because their jaws are so powerful. They're not vicious by default, and if they are mean they typically have a history of abuse or training to be that way. That being said, having no clear escape in a strange location with a bunch of other people is a hard situation for a human, let alone a dog; if it's a biter it will probably bite. OP is is absolutely right to keep her kid away from this dog. A stressed out dog could easily severely injure or even kill a 3 year old, no matter the breed.


This is illogical thinking.  Its like telling someone they should juggle knives instead of baseballs.  Since people get hurt by both, it doesn't matter what you juggle.  Pitbull breeds are knives.  Most deaths are caused by them, and like juggling knife accidents, the owner thought they were well balanced until they hurt someone.
 
2021-05-15 3:27:04 PM  
Puffy McBooze: DerAppie: Puffy McBooze: Teach your child how to interact with dogs.  The dog is not the problem, you are.


/Or buttstuff, whatever (your butt, not the dog)

Yeah, because a dog with a history of attacking children will be nice to next child it meets. It has changed! It learned to be better! It stopped hanging around with his bad friends and even puts the toilet seat down!

Wait, that is women thinking they can change a "bad boy" if they just love it enough.

Anyway, a two year old child getting his face bitten off will have learned at a young age that second chances are great, if they happen far away. Being the one who has to be around when the second chance is being given, not so much.

Why are you bringing your 2 year old child
fuc*ing dogaround strange dogsstrangepeople to begin with?

Oh, that's right, because you are an irresponsible putz who expects the entire world to change around your crotch fruit fuc*king dog.

Fun fact, millions of people pet owners have children every year...and the vast majority of them realize they and their pets are not speciaand humans don't need to adjust their behavior to accommodate dogs.

Do you expect to be able to change your child's dirty diaper on the dining table?

Okay Karen, or Karl, or whatever, just realize that I don't give a rat shiat fark about you or your progeny.


FIFY

And the rest of us place our children about 50 rungs on the ladder of life above your "fur baby", so unless you can control it, leave it at home (service animals excepted) or prepare to pay if it gets out of control.
 
2021-05-15 3:41:26 PM  
In my medical career, I participated in trying to fix probably 30-40 small children who were bitten by dogs.  Most of the kids had damage to heads and faces.  I'd guess the average OR time required for repairs was two hours with more stitches required than an Amish quilt.  I didn't keep personal notes on these unfortunate incidents but I recall that many, perhaps most of the parents at some point said something like this.  "I don't know what got into the dog.  He's never bitten anyone before."

My advice:  Never put a small child anywhere near a dog who has a history of biting humans.  Never, not once. Be damn careful about putting a small child near a dog who has no history of biting humans.  You don't want that small child to be the first victim.  A small child doesn't know better and may do all sorts of stuff to a dog.  You never quite know what will set a particular dog off.  A friend told me a story about his three year old who, at an outdoor BBQ, came up behind the "nicest black lab in world" who was enjoying some petting and attention on the front end.  Little kid grabbed a handful of black lab balls and yanked.  Dad said only timely adult intervention saved the kid from being ended by that dog.
 
2021-05-15 4:15:44 PM  

Puffy McBooze: DerAppie: Puffy McBooze: Teach your child how to interact with dogs.  The dog is not the problem, you are.


/Or buttstuff, whatever (your butt, not the dog)

Yeah, because a dog with a history of attacking children will be nice to next child it meets. It has changed! It learned to be better! It stopped hanging around with his bad friends and even puts the toilet seat down!

Wait, that is women thinking they can change a "bad boy" if they just love it enough.

Anyway, a two year old child getting his face bitten off will have learned at a young age that second chances are great, if they happen far away. Being the one who has to be around when the second chance is being given, not so much.

Why are you bringing your 2 year old child around strange dogs to begin with?

Oh, that's right, because you are an irresponsible putz who expects the entire world to change around your crotch fruit.

Fun fact, millions of people have children every year...and the vast majority of them realize they are not special.

Do you expect to be able to change your child's dirty diaper on the dining table?

Okay Karen, or Karl, or whatever, just realize that I don't give a rat shiat fark about you or your progeny.


Wait. Your position is that if I were to teach my children how to behave around dogs, they are going to be safe being with a dog that has a history of attacking children. And I am the irresponsible one for sarcastically suggesting that getting a face bitten off would be a great life lesson? You do know how sarcasm works, don't you?

Do you realize that a dog with an history of aggression is actually the problem?

Also: who is saying I'd bring any children to that dog?

Also: that dog isn't a "strange dog", it is the dog of a family member and the whole point is that people do not want their children near it. Where do you get the whole irresponsible part from? Or the Karl/Karen part? Because I would not want my children around a dog that has an history of attacking children makes me unreasonable?

Seriously, I got a lot of questions regarding your thought processes that went into that post.
 
2021-05-15 4:53:50 PM  
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2021-05-15 4:57:15 PM  

foo monkey: If it has a history of biting children, it should be put down.


Yup. Buddy of mine's 4 year old died from an aggressive pitbull that jumped the fence & went after her.

One bite gets corrected. Two bites gets a bullet right then and there.
 
2021-05-15 6:03:24 PM  
Maybe the kid bit the dog first...you don't know!
 
2021-05-15 6:51:53 PM  

bthom37: Mikey1969: Pit bulls don't deserve the bad rap they get.

That said, any dog with a history of biting children should not be around kids, period.

Yeah.  I adopted my pit after meeting him a couple times at the shelter, including once with my son, quizzed the shelter workers about the dog after they recommended him, etc.

Within ten minutes of getting him home, two 5 year old boys were sitting on him as he just lay there wagging his tail.

Point being, I love pits, and think they're good family dogs.  *BUT* if I adopted a dog with a history of biting anyone, there's no way I'd suggest children be brought around them.


Our work is dog friendly and when I started in November, one of the HR ladies had a pit bull named Milo. Awesome dog, just a but excitable. When you came in the room, he greeted you chest first at full speed. She unfortunately had to use a shock collar, nothing else works when he gets excited. Nice part is, it's almost only the beep he needs. 6 months later, and he's a billion times better. But a total cuddle bug, he just slammed into you because he was excited. Otherwise, I think the only way to get attacked by him is to hurt someone he cares about. Awesome dog, not a mean bone in his body. He just doesn't realize that he hits you like a bag of bricks, he just wants to say Hi.

I've seen dogs like this that have a switch when they're around kids, too. They totally tone everything down when they are around kids.
 
2021-05-15 7:30:51 PM  
Some dogs can figure out 'human puppies'. Some dogs can't.

If that dog has a history indicating it can't, do not expose it to further children, because in that doggy brain, 'small running yelling thing' equals 'prey'. They're animals, they can't help it, and you can't train them out of it. Keep the dog at home or around adults.
 
2021-05-15 7:58:33 PM  
Euthanize the sister
 
2021-05-15 8:30:55 PM  

Mikey1969: I've seen dogs like this that have a switch when they're around kids, too. They totally tone everything down when they are around kids.


It's fascinating to watch dogs interact. My high energy dog walked like a slow lamb while being led on a leash by a child (safe area, supervised). They do it with each other too, if they're polite dogs. The giant shepherd and some little yappy purse dog will wrestle around and the shepherd will do a belly roll while the purse dog pretends to bite it's neck, then they switch positions.

And just to add to the convo, there are different kinds of bites. There's various warning type bites, startled the dog, grabbed it's food dish. These are quick nips where the dog releases quickly and usually the dog has given some pretty clear warning or the humans are stupid. It's more a form of communication (in the dog's mind) than an attack. There's also the attack bite. Well, that's the scarier kind and it's pretty obvious what they're doing.

My favorite bite story. We had a West Highland terrier. He was a stone cold killer of rodents, no play, just deadly. He also guarded his food dish, so we stayed away from his dish. One day my dad decides it would be funny to push him away from the food dish with a broom (gently). And was laughing because he couldn't get a grip on the linoleum floor so cue the running in place hilarity. Frisky put up with it for about 2 minutes, then just went into stone cold killer mode, bypassed the broom, zoomed around and bit my dad in the ankle. It was pretty funny, even my dad laughed. Message sent by the dog, not funny man.
 
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