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2021-05-15 4:36:02 AM  
The Australian single-payer public health care system doesn't cover dental. It covers all sorts of medical care, including psych counselling for the sorts of issues which affect the masses, but virtually zero dental care. I've often wondered why this is the case. I'm pretty lazy about seeing a dentist myself, in part because I hate going but also because I know I'm up for the entire cost at my own expense.

So I'm not that confident in the article which states of Canada "Of all 37 OECD countries, only Spain has a lower share of public dental-care funding." If Australia funds more dental care than Canada, it's by a very slim margin.
 
2021-05-15 4:40:12 AM  
What kind of backwards, underdeveloped, emerging economy doesn't provide a basic necessity like dental care...oh wait
 
2021-05-15 5:24:12 AM  
This has been a thing on my mind for a while. On it's surface, it might seem superfluous right? "Take care of your teeth and you won't have problems." also "The costs of dental care are pretty low." In Canada, this is the case compared to the US. Partly due to lower cost medical supplies and medicine and partly from it not being a game of "who can get the most out of the insurance company."

But then, the following considerations arise;

- Except everyone has wisdom teeth. They tend to lead to complications.
- Poor families suffer more than the wealthy proportionally, and that's pretty inhumane
- Unmaintained teeth turn into ER visits with infections, expensive emergency surgeries, etc.
- Everyone has freakin' teeth!
- Preemptive care prevents later expensive work, which is way more dramatic in the dental world
- Time off from work for extensive dental care causes national productivity loss
- We already have the logistics of healthcare pretty much settled, this is just another arm of it
- Most employers are already paying for dental plans for their staff/families, and taxes paid by every business and every person would likely be less than what individuals and businesses pay because there's no incentive for government to profit like insurance companies

And then I think, why the hell are we not already covering dental?
 
2021-05-15 6:24:01 AM  

Aussie_As: The Australian single-payer public health care system doesn't cover dental. It covers all sorts of medical care, including psych counselling for the sorts of issues which affect the masses, but virtually zero dental care. I've often wondered why this is the case.


Might have something to do with being  British colony. 
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2021-05-15 7:26:33 AM  
How dental and eye care are not included in "healthcare" has always eluded me.
 
2021-05-15 7:56:12 AM  
Teeth are luxury bones.
 
2021-05-15 8:08:49 AM  
Poor oral hygiene leads to all kinds of other medical issues, including heart disease.
Dental care should be included in medical care.

In The US we need to stop beating around the bush with calls for Single Payer, and "medicare for all" we just need to shout fro the rooftops UNIVERSAL HEALTH CARE NOW!
 
2021-05-15 8:32:13 AM  
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2021-05-15 8:53:33 AM  
I'm going for a checkup & xrays next week (lost 2 crowns in the past year) that'll cost me $300 BEFORE any actual work is done so I'm not getting a kick. My dentist used to give discounts to uninsured patients but they're not doing that anymore because they have to cover the costs of COVID-19 mitigation.
 
2021-05-15 9:34:00 AM  
Given the way the rest of OHIP works, it's crazy that dental isn't included.  A poor person in the ER with a rotting jaw is a lot more expensive overall than a couple of cleanings a year and a few fillings.
 
2021-05-15 9:41:54 AM  

Brewster: Aussie_As: The Australian single-payer public health care system doesn't cover dental. It covers all sorts of medical care, including psych counselling for the sorts of issues which affect the masses, but virtually zero dental care. I've often wondered why this is the case.

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2021-05-15 9:46:22 AM  
"Doug Ford" and "plan" do not belong in the same sentence.
 
2021-05-15 9:51:14 AM  

SuburbanCowboy: Poor oral hygiene leads to all kinds of other medical issues, including heart disease.
Dental care should be included in medical care.

In The US we need to stop beating around the bush with calls for Single Payer, and "medicare for all" we just need to shout fro the rooftops UNIVERSAL HEALTH CARE NOW!


citation needed on that heart disease claim. The article I've read never made the distinction between cause and effect. Remember oat bran?
 
2021-05-15 9:53:23 AM  

Spadababababababa Spadina Bus: "Doug Ford" and "plan" do not belong in the same sentence.


To be fair, only people who voted for him and are too farking stupid to have noticed anything that's happened since he took office would expect Ford to have a plan for anything.  And OHIP's been the way it for a long time so it's kind of a 'status quo' issue.

Anybody who wants it to change probably hasn't even thought about that being something Ford might push.
 
2021-05-15 10:04:22 AM  
Jagmeet Singh had a great point that if Universal health care is to be as effective as possible it can't end at seemingly arbitrary places like teeth and pharmaceutical care.
 
2021-05-15 10:05:11 AM  

WordsnCollision: I'm going for a checkup & xrays next week (lost 2 crowns in the past year) that'll cost me $300 BEFORE any actual work is done so I'm not getting a kick. My dentist used to give discounts to uninsured patients but they're not doing that anymore because they have to cover the costs of COVID-19 mitigation.


Very much this.

One side of my permanent retainer(bottom) popped off a few years ago and I paid 250$ for them to remove it. I was there for ten minutes and I had been paying for dental benefits for over ten years at that point. Horseshiat.
 
2021-05-15 10:09:37 AM  
Another reason why Medicare for All needs to be established here in America...Medicare has dental coverage.
 
2021-05-15 10:22:51 AM  

TheMarchHare: Jagmeet Singh had a great point that if Universal health care is to be as effective as possible it can't end at seemingly arbitrary places like teeth and pharmaceutical care.


The proper (fiscal) conservative view should be "whatever has the lowest net cost".   Dental care and most prescribed medications seem like easy wins on that score.  Healthy people are more productive during their working lifetime and cost far less at the ER due to having avoided expensive healthcare they should have been getting all along.

Forget the stupid, "I don't like [insert group here], and they're not getting my money!" attitude.  Just look at the financial analysis and take the net win for your wallet.
 
2021-05-15 11:11:57 AM  

Professor_Doctor: Teeth are luxury bones.


*returns to gumming some broth*
 
2021-05-15 11:20:04 AM  

Unsung_Hero: TheMarchHare: Jagmeet Singh had a great point that if Universal health care is to be as effective as possible it can't end at seemingly arbitrary places like teeth and pharmaceutical care.

The proper (fiscal) conservative view should be "whatever has the lowest net cost".   Dental care and most prescribed medications seem like easy wins on that score.  Healthy people are more productive during their working lifetime and cost far less at the ER due to having avoided expensive healthcare they should have been getting all along.

Forget the stupid, "I don't like [insert group here], and they're not getting my money!" attitude.  Just look at the financial analysis and take the net win for your wallet.


If you're actually not looking at this out of hate, you're not gonna be out of step with everything the political right believes now. It's all spite.
 
2021-05-15 11:58:28 AM  

Aussie_As: The Australian single-payer public health care system doesn't cover dental. It covers all sorts of medical care, including psych counselling for the sorts of issues which affect the masses, but virtually zero dental care. I've often wondered why this is the case. I'm pretty lazy about seeing a dentist myself, in part because I hate going but also because I know I'm up for the entire cost at my own expense.

So I'm not that confident in the article which states of Canada "Of all 37 OECD countries, only Spain has a lower share of public dental-care funding." If Australia funds more dental care than Canada, it's by a very slim margin.


I am surprised and disappointed that Australia and Canada both lack universal dental care. I thought those were civilized countries.
 
2021-05-15 12:29:44 PM  

RasIanI: How dental and eye care are not included in "healthcare" has always eluded me.


Because dentists have long denied to acquiesce to it. Good on them.  No one should be in charge of setting their prices.
 
2021-05-15 12:57:19 PM  
i have braces so i'm getting a kick.  Also i am fortunate and i have very good dental insurance and they're paying for them.  i have surgery in december for tmj issues and my health insurance is paying for all of that less $200 deductible.  Health insurance and dental insurance should be a right and not a privilege.
 
2021-05-15 2:02:41 PM  

Enthusiast34: RasIanI: How dental and eye care are not included in "healthcare" has always eluded me.

Because dentists have long denied to acquiesce to it. Good on them.  No one should be in charge of setting their prices.


Dentist-like typing detected.
 
2021-05-15 2:38:06 PM  

Spadababababababa Spadina Bus: "Doug Ford" and "plan" do not belong in the same sentence.


What about "Doug Ford has no plan."???
 
2021-05-15 4:03:24 PM  

tigerbot hesh: Enthusiast34: RasIanI: How dental and eye care are not included in "healthcare" has always eluded me.

Because dentists have long denied to acquiesce to it. Good on them.  No one should be in charge of setting their prices.

Dentist-like typing detected.


Hardly.
 
2021-05-15 4:43:45 PM  
I do not understand how dental is not considered "medical"

Infections in your teeth can be deadly. Mouth pain can cause all sorts of health issues.

I get cosmetic from the perspective of whitening, or straightening teeth, but crowns and replacing missing or cracked teeth is not. Ever have crowns crack? Most definitely a health issue.
 
2021-05-15 4:50:57 PM  

Aussie_As: The Australian single-payer public health care system doesn't cover dental. It covers all sorts of medical care, including psych counselling for the sorts of issues which affect the masses, but virtually zero dental care. I've often wondered why this is the case. I'm pretty lazy about seeing a dentist myself, in part because I hate going but also because I know I'm up for the entire cost at my own expense.

So I'm not that confident in the article which states of Canada "Of all 37 OECD countries, only Spain has a lower share of public dental-care funding." If Australia funds more dental care than Canada, it's by a very slim margin.


There is some funding in Australia for dental but only for children and it is a bit limited (only provided for poorer families and people getting other funding).

https://www.servicesaustralia.gov.au/i​ndividuals/services/medicare/child-den​tal-benefits-schedule

It's all about costs.. no government wants to add dental and watch the budget blow out.
 
2021-05-15 5:53:08 PM  
Gosh, yes, dental dental dental. When I worked retail pharmacy, I felt for the poor bastards buying oil of clove and ibuprofen...
 
2021-05-15 7:13:50 PM  

stuartp9: Aussie_As: The Australian single-payer public health care system doesn't cover dental. It covers all sorts of medical care, including psych counselling for the sorts of issues which affect the masses, but virtually zero dental care. I've often wondered why this is the case. I'm pretty lazy about seeing a dentist myself, in part because I hate going but also because I know I'm up for the entire cost at my own expense.

So I'm not that confident in the article which states of Canada "Of all 37 OECD countries, only Spain has a lower share of public dental-care funding." If Australia funds more dental care than Canada, it's by a very slim margin.

There is some funding in Australia for dental but only for children and it is a bit limited (only provided for poorer families and people getting other funding).

https://www.servicesaustralia.gov.au/i​ndividuals/services/medicare/child-den​tal-benefits-schedule

It's all about costs.. no government wants to add dental and watch the budget blow out.


Some provinces cover dental for children but dental, optical and some other "peripheral" services weren't considered when the national standards were established.  Since healthcare is a provincial jurisdiction, the Canadian government convinces provinces to keep up standards by paying a big chunk of the bill.  At present, the non-standard services are a hodgepodge in terms of partial coverage and it's to pay for those that most Canadians have supplemental health insurance.  There has been talk of adding dental, pharmaceuticals and sometimes even vision at different points, both at the federal level and in various provinces, but the right-wing (usually the Tories but sometimes the Liberals if they have to pay for it) quashes the discussion.
 
2021-05-15 9:42:03 PM  

Spadababababababa Spadina Bus: "Doug Ford" and "plan" do not belong in the same sentence.


"Doug Ford" and "premiere of Ontario" don't belong in the same sentence.
 
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