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2021-05-13 7:23:24 AM  
3 days in office, 2 days telecommute one week and vice versa the next?
 
2021-05-13 7:31:02 AM  
Head Office will be two linked containers in the car park of an abandoned strip mall...
 
2021-05-13 7:31:27 AM  
It's going to be a shiat show.
 
2021-05-13 7:57:18 AM  
I think companies who remain remote can pilfer the best employees from those who do not.   I only have a 6 mile commute, but would be willing to take a paycut to stay remote.   I imagine those with an hour commute will spend every waking moment applying for other closer or remote jobs.
 
2021-05-13 8:18:46 AM  

bark_atda_moon: I think companies who remain remote can pilfer the best employees from those who do not.   I only have a 6 mile commute, but would be willing to take a paycut to stay remote.   I imagine those with an hour commute will spend every waking moment applying for other closer or remote jobs.


I wonder if remote working will get the next generation of CEOs who missed out on the outsourcing craze of the 2000s thinking that "Why pay an American wage to somebody we never see who has the skill set we need?".   Now you're competing with the entire world's wage scale and we'll once again be moving work to India after spending the last 20 years taking it back.
 
2021-05-13 8:19:21 AM  
basically the same for most people but their bosses will be able to work from home more.
 
2021-05-13 8:27:27 AM  

The Googles Do Nothing: bark_atda_moon: I think companies who remain remote can pilfer the best employees from those who do not.   I only have a 6 mile commute, but would be willing to take a paycut to stay remote.   I imagine those with an hour commute will spend every waking moment applying for other closer or remote jobs.

I wonder if remote working will get the next generation of CEOs who missed out on the outsourcing craze of the 2000s thinking that "Why pay an American wage to somebody we never see who has the skill set we need?".   Now you're competing with the entire world's wage scale and we'll once again be moving work to India after spending the last 20 years taking it back.


Half our modern developers are from India already.  Being remote would just save headaches on the Visa process.
 
2021-05-13 8:33:39 AM  
Much less farking in the lesser used bathrooms?
 
2021-05-13 8:36:48 AM  

tom baker's scarf: basically the same for most people but their bosses will be able to work from home more.


So way better then?
 
2021-05-13 8:42:19 AM  
My personal theory is that a handful of places are going to make this a long term plan and use it to save on real estate.  You can hire employees and only have them come in for specific events or days of the week and just have them share a desk.  If you have people coming in one day a week you can have 5 people working per cube and rent a room for big company-wide meetings if you still want them in person.

I don't even LIKE working remotely and I have trouble arguing with this.  I'd rather do 4 10 hour days, 2 live, 2 remote but that's a lot of change to ask from corporate America.
 
2021-05-13 8:43:45 AM  
Ftfa: "I love in person stuff and I cant wait to get back to it, but there is a time and a place to say hey Nick, can we meet at 11:30 to have a quick call because I have a few things I want to do instead of my whole day getting turned over," McCree said.

Sure, Nick we can have a call. Check my planner and send a link to dial in.

Technology can only go so far, but people will need to look at their calendar and plan ahead. "Hm Wednesday might be a good day to go in." We will no longer say, "I'm going to work," but rather, "I'm going into the office."

What I think is missing (from universal office software like Outlook) is a way to see I will be in on Wednesday. Or when booking a meeting room, how do you determine how many will attend in person or dial in? MS Outlook hasn't fundamentally changed in ages and nobody wants yet another 3rd party tool to track in the office or working from home.
 
2021-05-13 8:46:39 AM  

mike_d85: My personal theory is that a handful of places are going to make this a long term plan and use it to save on real estate.


The problem is that corporate real estate leases are not year to year, they are 10 years or more with penalties for breaking. But otherwise, yes agree. It's just not a quick fix for 2021
 
2021-05-13 8:48:48 AM  

mike_d85: My personal theory is that a handful of places are going to make this a long term plan and use it to save on real estate.  You can hire employees and only have them come in for specific events or days of the week and just have them share a desk.  If you have people coming in one day a week you can have 5 people working per cube and rent a room for big company-wide meetings if you still want them in person.

I don't even LIKE working remotely and I have trouble arguing with this.  I'd rather do 4 10 hour days, 2 live, 2 remote but that's a lot of change to ask from corporate America.


Oh yeah, I'm signing up to have other people work in my cubicle when I'm not there. To Hell with that.
 
2021-05-13 8:53:05 AM  
I think that companies hate and despise change.

And will fight tooth and nail to go back to the old ways as soon as possible and work to ostracize you if you want to work from home
 
2021-05-13 8:53:06 AM  

bark_atda_moon: The Googles Do Nothing: bark_atda_moon: I think companies who remain remote can pilfer the best employees from those who do not.   I only have a 6 mile commute, but would be willing to take a paycut to stay remote.   I imagine those with an hour commute will spend every waking moment applying for other closer or remote jobs.

I wonder if remote working will get the next generation of CEOs who missed out on the outsourcing craze of the 2000s thinking that "Why pay an American wage to somebody we never see who has the skill set we need?".   Now you're competing with the entire world's wage scale and we'll once again be moving work to India after spending the last 20 years taking it back.

Half our modern developers are from India already.  Being remote would just save headaches on the Visa process.


There's a big difference in working with a developer from India who is sitting in the cube next to you compared to talking to one over the phone at 5AM every morning to get the status update on everything he did the prior day.
 
2021-05-13 8:55:19 AM  

The Googles Do Nothing: bark_atda_moon: The Googles Do Nothing: bark_atda_moon: I think companies who remain remote can pilfer the best employees from those who do not.   I only have a 6 mile commute, but would be willing to take a paycut to stay remote.   I imagine those with an hour commute will spend every waking moment applying for other closer or remote jobs.

I wonder if remote working will get the next generation of CEOs who missed out on the outsourcing craze of the 2000s thinking that "Why pay an American wage to somebody we never see who has the skill set we need?".   Now you're competing with the entire world's wage scale and we'll once again be moving work to India after spending the last 20 years taking it back.

Half our modern developers are from India already.  Being remote would just save headaches on the Visa process.

There's a big difference in working with a developer from India who is sitting in the cube next to you compared to talking to one over the phone at 5AM every morning to get the status update on everything he did the prior day.


That's been my job for 15 years.
 
2021-05-13 9:00:53 AM  

The Googles Do Nothing: There's a big difference in working with a developer from India who is sitting in the cube next to you compared to talking to one over the phone at 5AM every morning to get the status update on everything he did the prior day.


I agree.  The guy in Texas always bugging me at lunch time is bad enough.
 
2021-05-13 9:01:09 AM  

Rapmaster2000: The Googles Do Nothing: bark_atda_moon: The Googles Do Nothing: bark_atda_moon: I think companies who remain remote can pilfer the best employees from those who do not.   I only have a 6 mile commute, but would be willing to take a paycut to stay remote.   I imagine those with an hour commute will spend every waking moment applying for other closer or remote jobs.

I wonder if remote working will get the next generation of CEOs who missed out on the outsourcing craze of the 2000s thinking that "Why pay an American wage to somebody we never see who has the skill set we need?".   Now you're competing with the entire world's wage scale and we'll once again be moving work to India after spending the last 20 years taking it back.

Half our modern developers are from India already.  Being remote would just save headaches on the Visa process.

There's a big difference in working with a developer from India who is sitting in the cube next to you compared to talking to one over the phone at 5AM every morning to get the status update on everything he did the prior day.

That's been my job for 15 years.


That was my job for 15 years.   I'm sorry for your situation.
 
2021-05-13 9:06:48 AM  

The Googles Do Nothing: bark_atda_moon: The Googles Do Nothing: bark_atda_moon: I think companies who remain remote can pilfer the best employees from those who do not.   I only have a 6 mile commute, but would be willing to take a paycut to stay remote.   I imagine those with an hour commute will spend every waking moment applying for other closer or remote jobs.

I wonder if remote working will get the next generation of CEOs who missed out on the outsourcing craze of the 2000s thinking that "Why pay an American wage to somebody we never see who has the skill set we need?".   Now you're competing with the entire world's wage scale and we'll once again be moving work to India after spending the last 20 years taking it back.

Half our modern developers are from India already.  Being remote would just save headaches on the Visa process.

There's a big difference in working with a developer from India who is sitting in the cube next to you compared to talking to one over the phone at 5AM every morning to get the status update on everything he did the prior day.


As Americans, my company asserts our dominants and have the people in India work eastern time zone hours.
 
2021-05-13 9:08:27 AM  

The Googles Do Nothing: bark_atda_moon: I think companies who remain remote can pilfer the best employees from those who do not.   I only have a 6 mile commute, but would be willing to take a paycut to stay remote.   I imagine those with an hour commute will spend every waking moment applying for other closer or remote jobs.

I wonder if remote working will get the next generation of CEOs who missed out on the outsourcing craze of the 2000s thinking that "Why pay an American wage to somebody we never see who has the skill set we need?".   Now you're competing with the entire world's wage scale and we'll once again be moving work to India after spending the last 20 years taking it back.


Do you want to extend your car warranty?
 
2021-05-13 9:12:58 AM  

Muta: The Googles Do Nothing: bark_atda_moon: The Googles Do Nothing: bark_atda_moon: I think companies who remain remote can pilfer the best employees from those who do not.   I only have a 6 mile commute, but would be willing to take a paycut to stay remote.   I imagine those with an hour commute will spend every waking moment applying for other closer or remote jobs.

I wonder if remote working will get the next generation of CEOs who missed out on the outsourcing craze of the 2000s thinking that "Why pay an American wage to somebody we never see who has the skill set we need?".   Now you're competing with the entire world's wage scale and we'll once again be moving work to India after spending the last 20 years taking it back.

Half our modern developers are from India already.  Being remote would just save headaches on the Visa process.

There's a big difference in working with a developer from India who is sitting in the cube next to you compared to talking to one over the phone at 5AM every morning to get the status update on everything he did the prior day.

As Americans, my company asserts our dominants and have the people in India work eastern time zone hours.


"Dominance".   We assert our American "Dominance" on the rest of the world.
 
2021-05-13 9:14:30 AM  

The Googles Do Nothing: Rapmaster2000: The Googles Do Nothing: bark_atda_moon: The Googles Do Nothing: bark_atda_moon: I think companies who remain remote can pilfer the best employees from those who do not.   I only have a 6 mile commute, but would be willing to take a paycut to stay remote.   I imagine those with an hour commute will spend every waking moment applying for other closer or remote jobs.

I wonder if remote working will get the next generation of CEOs who missed out on the outsourcing craze of the 2000s thinking that "Why pay an American wage to somebody we never see who has the skill set we need?".   Now you're competing with the entire world's wage scale and we'll once again be moving work to India after spending the last 20 years taking it back.

Half our modern developers are from India already.  Being remote would just save headaches on the Visa process.

There's a big difference in working with a developer from India who is sitting in the cube next to you compared to talking to one over the phone at 5AM every morning to get the status update on everything he did the prior day.

That's been my job for 15 years.

That was my job for 15 years.   I'm sorry for your situation.


I'm doing it right now.  It's not that bad.
 
2021-05-13 1:23:46 PM  

mike_d85: tom baker's scarf: basically the same for most people but their bosses will be able to work from home more.

So way better then?


maybe.  depends on the boss.  if you end up having to deal stuff because they aren't around then no.  if your boss is just a stuffed shirt then maybe yes. also the bosses set policy based on their lives so if they feel like they have plenty of time at home they might forget that you don't.
 
2021-05-13 5:26:29 PM  

bark_atda_moon: The Googles Do Nothing: bark_atda_moon: I think companies who remain remote can pilfer the best employees from those who do not.   I only have a 6 mile commute, but would be willing to take a paycut to stay remote.   I imagine those with an hour commute will spend every waking moment applying for other closer or remote jobs.

I wonder if remote working will get the next generation of CEOs who missed out on the outsourcing craze of the 2000s thinking that "Why pay an American wage to somebody we never see who has the skill set we need?".   Now you're competing with the entire world's wage scale and we'll once again be moving work to India after spending the last 20 years taking it back.

Half our modern developers are from India already.  Being remote would just save headaches on the Visa process.


In consulting I work with a lot of people from India who do the development while here we do the work on the ground. It's pretty convenient most times because they are able to do the work overnight and we can test it the next day instead of waiting for a full day to pass. My job will never get outsourced because you cannot have people writing and speaking in broken English or employees get pissed and stop listening.

I'm pretty used to working with people with different dialects but it can be very difficult to understand sometimes, but they are generally pretty patient because we're ignorant.
 
2021-05-14 1:23:42 AM  
My S.O.'s company has already ordered all staff back into the office or they had before the hoarder run on gas. I think most companies will do the same and try to get back to the 2019 way of doing things as soon as possible.

Personally, I think state and local governments should step in to prevent that. Unless interaction with the public is necessary, such as with retail goods and services, companies should be allotted one day a week, perhaps two at most, when they are permitted to have more than a skeletal crew present in the office. In more densely packed areas, each skyscraper could be divided so that no more than one-fifth of the tenants have employees present at any given time. Less densely populated areas could be divided by blocks so that no more than one-fifth of the business are allowed to have any employees present beyond. This would reduce traffic and pollution as well as wear and tear on the roads.
 
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