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(Yahoo)   Chipotle's plan to raise its minimum wage to $15/hour is a blow to its competitors. Its plan to pay for only 7 of every 9 hours worked still a blow to its workers   (finance.yahoo.com) divider line
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2021-05-12 6:08:54 AM  
I know get to tell my prospective employers why I think it's a joke to do any accounting for less than $15 when Target, Chipotle, and many other employers are offering far more.  Not that they care in Texas.  I still wonder why so many move here.  Yeah it's cheaper, but it's one of those you get what you pay for sort of things.  My grandparents fell for the trap, my parents fell for the trap, now I'm stuck here.
 
2021-05-12 6:57:39 AM  
I'm getting really farking tired of this bullshiat. The "experts" doom-and-gloom the fark out of paying workers $15/hour, saying it'll raise prices. FFS, people can't even attempt to live on what the average minimum wage job pays unless someone gets two or three jobs, and restaurant jobs are worse than that, having wages well below minimum wage and having to make up the rest of it in tips... which the restaurant gets a cut.

Fifteen dollars an hour should be a baseline minimum wage at this point, and should go up from there ON A REGULAR BASIS (and I don't mean having it go up 25¢ every 20 years).
 
2021-05-12 8:38:35 AM  
averagehourly wage

(14+16) / 2 = 15
 
2021-05-12 9:20:09 AM  

PunkTiger: I'm getting really farking tired of this bullshiat. The "experts" doom-and-gloom the fark out of paying workers $15/hour, saying it'll raise prices. FFS, people can't even attempt to live on what the average minimum wage job pays unless someone gets two or three jobs, and restaurant jobs are worse than that, having wages well below minimum wage and having to make up the rest of it in tips... which the restaurant gets a cut.

Fifteen dollars an hour should be a baseline minimum wage at this point, and should go up from there ON A REGULAR BASIS (and I don't mean having it go up 25¢ every 20 years).


Most of the stuff is made in China, so it's not like it's going to cost any extra to make.
 
2021-05-12 10:26:07 AM  
Good for Chipotle.
I've been eating there since they opened the first shop in Denver and they've been in my general rotation at least 1-2 times per month since then, which is kindof crazy. It's a decent meal.
 
2021-05-12 11:10:24 AM  
"Wage inflation is real and employee availability is very tough and Chipotle is trying to stay ahead of the curve and maintain its human capital advantage by moving average wages to $15/hour by June," explained Jefferies restaurant analyst Andy Barish in a research note to clients.

People. Living, breathing people with thoughts and feelings, with hopes and dreams. Anyone who refers to people as 'human capital' can go get farked.
 
2021-05-12 11:53:24 AM  

Merltech: PunkTiger: I'm getting really farking tired of this bullshiat. The "experts" doom-and-gloom the fark out of paying workers $15/hour, saying it'll raise prices. FFS, people can't even attempt to live on what the average minimum wage job pays unless someone gets two or three jobs, and restaurant jobs are worse than that, having wages well below minimum wage and having to make up the rest of it in tips... which the restaurant gets a cut.

Fifteen dollars an hour should be a baseline minimum wage at this point, and should go up from there ON A REGULAR BASIS (and I don't mean having it go up 25¢ every 20 years).

Most of the stuff is made in China, so it's not like it's going to cost any extra to make.


Hey now. China may be a totalitarian shiathole where human rights go to die, but it IS becoming prohibitly more expensive to produce there because their people are waking up and demanding things like better working conditions, living wages, and literal non-toxic work environments.

When I was working in product manufacturing, we were having a difficult time trying to produce products in our Chinese factories in the price-points that American chain stores wanted. We would often end up authorizing factories in Viet Nam or Bangladesh.

We were all awaiting the day when mass factories in Africa would go up online so we could continue to provide the Walmarts and Targets of the world with cheap shiatty crap.
 
2021-05-12 11:54:03 AM  
So serious question, how will this affect prices? Chipotle is already expensive AF for what you get.
 
2021-05-12 12:34:02 PM  
When human labor becomes expensive, it get replaced by machines. A relative who has owned and run [national burger chain stores] for forty years says he's running his stores on less than half the employee hours as he was back in the eighties.
 
2021-05-12 12:34:36 PM  

Merltech: Most of the stuff is made in China, so it's not like it's going to cost any extra to make.


You can't outsource the service, farming, food chain industries, so China isn't in the picture.

We also need to get rid of sub-minimum wages for "tipping" jobs, ditch tipping AND "service" charges.  Set the prices where you need to and cut the BS.
 
2021-05-12 1:47:51 PM  

natazha: Merltech: Most of the stuff is made in China, so it's not like it's going to cost any extra to make.

You can't outsource the service, farming, food chain industries, so China isn't in the picture.

We also need to get rid of sub-minimum wages for "tipping" jobs, ditch tipping AND "service" charges.  Set the prices where you need to and cut the BS.


I believe in the core concept of tipping - that if you provide excellent service and make me feel like I was treated well, you deserve a small reward.

I was floored when I dated a guy who worked in the service industry and saw that all the tips are collected at the end of the day by the manager, who keeps a portion for tax purposes and distributes the tips equally among the staff.

Thats pure BS. I dont think tips should be taxed, let alone distributed equally among people for doing the same amount of work. That's what wages are supposed to be. Tips are an extra reward for making people feel good in patronizing the business and should be kept by the individual who makes them.

This is why I tip the bare minimum now - enough to not be an a*** but not enough to be considered a "good tipper" knowing that the person I want to receive my cash won't get it in full.
 
2021-05-12 2:56:44 PM  

ng2810: I dont think tips should be taxed


You don't think income should be taxed?  Neat.

ng2810: Tips are an extra reward for making people feel good in patronizing the business and should be kept by the individual who makes them.


Did you used to also tip the people who clean the restaurant, the bartender who prepared your drink, the chef who prepared and cooked your food and the host/hostess who keeps the place organized?  Or do only the waitstaff deserve tips at a restaurant?  There's a reason that manager distributes the tip to other people and it's either because they want to be fair to everyone who contributes to the great experience customers have, or it's because you're a dick who only thinks waitstaff deserve credit for the great experience you had.  You can choose which.
 
2021-05-12 6:05:23 PM  

natazha: We also need to get rid of sub-minimum wages for "tipping" jobs, ditch tipping AND "service" charges.  Set the prices where you need to and cut the BS.


Nobody who has ever been a server and was worth their salt would prefer to go to flat pay vs tipped.

Yes, it works in a handful of REALLY high end restaurants where your server is probably scratching close to 6 figures on their pay, and is incredibly knowledgeable in all things dining and its a professional experience.

It isn't going to work like that at TGI Fridays. Nobody will want busy shifts or hustle an extra table for starters.
 
2021-05-12 6:24:17 PM  

southernmanblog: When human labor becomes expensive, it get replaced by machines. A relative who has owned and run [national burger chain stores] for forty years says he's running his stores on less than half the employee hours as he was back in the eighties.


So is he just demanding that his current employees do twice the work? Or did he actually pay for and install machines to help? If he actually put in machines, good for him. There's no reason to have people do repetitive tasks. If he just demanded they work twice as hard, then he is part of the problem.

LineNoise: natazha: We also need to get rid of sub-minimum wages for "tipping" jobs, ditch tipping AND "service" charges.  Set the prices where you need to and cut the BS.

Nobody who has ever been a server and was worth their salt would prefer to go to flat pay vs tipped.


That entirely depends on the number of people eating out. In the past year, my sister worked many 8-hour shifts where she only got 1 table. 

Yes, it works in a handful of REALLY high end restaurants where your server is probably scratching close to 6 figures on their pay, and is incredibly knowledgeable in all things dining and its a professional experience.

It isn't going to work like that at TGI Fridays. Nobody will want busy shifts or hustle an extra table for starters.


As a customer I'm really tired of paying an additional 20% (It used to be 15%). The tip is supposed to be in ADDITION to a wage not instead of a wage. Wait staff make $2.13/hour. The same amount as when I worked in food service 40 YEARS AGO.  There is NO excuse for that.

lennavan:
Did you used to also tip the people who clean the restaurant, the bartender who prepared your drink, the chef who prepared and cooked your food and the host/hostess who keeps the place organized?  Or do only the waitstaff deserve tips at a restaurant?  There's a reason that manager distributes the tip to other people and it's either because they want to be fair to everyone who contributes to the great experience customers have, or it's because you're a dick who only thinks waitstaff deserve credit for the great experience you had.  You can choose which.

Many of the people you listed are paid more than $2.13/hour. I have no problem with everyone who works for tips splitting the money, but people earning more shouldn't get the bonus. Either pay everyone a living wage and split the tips (preferred), or only split the tips among people making less than minimum.
 
2021-05-12 7:17:26 PM  

lennavan: ng2810: I dont think tips should be taxed

You don't think income should be taxed?  Neat.
ng2810: Tips are an extra reward for making people feel good in patronizing the business and should be kept by the individual who makes them.

Did you used to also tip the people who clean the restaurant, the bartender who prepared your drink, the chef who prepared and cooked your food and the host/hostess who keeps the place organized?  Or do only the waitstaff deserve tips at a restaurant?  There's a reason that manager distributes the tip to other people and it's either because they want to be fair to everyone who contributes to the great experience customers have, or it's because you're a dick who only thinks waitstaff deserve credit for the great experience you had.  You can choose which.


If managers want to withhold for taxes then they can, and give the remainder of the money to the server who worked for them. As I said, its an extra reward for the person I directly interact with who makes sure my direct needs and wants at the establishment are met. If managers want to be "fair to everyone" then farking pay everyone a living wage commensurate with their experience and price products accordingly. I'm not cheap by any means, but it does tick me off that the $10 I want to give to the server for putting up with my extra requests and working harder for me will be divvied up and given to people I don't see. I pay my respects to the chef, the janitor, the hostess, the manager and restaurant owner by paying the price they set for the meal I eat.

If being a dick means I want to make sure all the money I want for a specific person is received by that specific person then feel free to suck on me.
 
2021-05-12 10:21:28 PM  

MBZ321: So serious question, how will this affect prices? Chipotle is already expensive AF for what you get.


What - you expect Chipotle to lower its profit margin?  Why don't you just buy more money?
 
2021-05-12 10:32:55 PM  

natazha: Merltech: Most of the stuff is made in China, so it's not like it's going to cost any extra to make.

You can't outsource the service, farming, food chain industries, so China isn't in the picture.

We also need to get rid of sub-minimum wages for "tipping" jobs, ditch tipping AND "service" charges.  Set the prices where you need to and cut the BS.


Some years ago, several restaurants near me tried to adopt a high-wage, no-tip business model. Customers and the best servers fled in droves. Customers likes being able to reward/penalize good/bad service, and good servers saw their earnings decrease, then bolted.

After just 2-3 weeks, the restaurants ended their experiment.
 
2021-05-12 10:36:15 PM  

ng2810: natazha: Merltech: Most of the stuff is made in China, so it's not like it's going to cost any extra to make.

You can't outsource the service, farming, food chain industries, so China isn't in the picture.

We also need to get rid of sub-minimum wages for "tipping" jobs, ditch tipping AND "service" charges.  Set the prices where you need to and cut the BS.

I believe in the core concept of tipping - that if you provide excellent service and make me feel like I was treated well, you deserve a small reward.

I was floored when I dated a guy who worked in the service industry and saw that all the tips are collected at the end of the day by the manager, who keeps a portion for tax purposes and distributes the tips equally among the staff.

Thats pure BS. I dont think tips should be taxed, let alone distributed equally among people for doing the same amount of work. That's what wages are supposed to be. Tips are an extra reward for making people feel good in patronizing the business and should be kept by the individual who makes them.

This is why I tip the bare minimum now - enough to not be an a*** but not enough to be considered a "good tipper" knowing that the person I want to receive my cash won't get it in full.


Because all restaurants operate the same way, right?
 
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